America. Were here on our midterm road trip. We are following the story we have been covering all day, heres what we know so far, a device similar to a pipe bomb was intercepted at bill and Hillary Clintons house in chap what, new york, obama former attorney general eric holder ended up being marked returned to sender, and were told the return address on all of these was democratic congresswoman Debbie Wasserman schultzs office. So the decide that was meant for eric holder was then sent to her office in florida where it was intercepted i be the secret service. All this happened after the first incident on monday, when a bomb was place tsd in the mailbox of george soros. A suspicious package addressed to Maxine Waters, was intercepted in a facility for mail that goes to the white house. Were frantically trying to piece all this together. Whos doing this and why are they doing it . But lets be realistic, lets state the obvious, last year, a republican congressman Steve Scalise was shot by somebody from the left politically. Everybody i just mentioned thats been targeted in this incident has been singled out by the president or his defenders and its prompted some conspiracy theories in our echo chamber. A lot of people blame in current president for the political divide. At times hes cheered political acts of violence. I it all put him in an awkward spot today with a plea for unity. I just want to tell you that in these times we have to unify, we have to come together. And send one very clear, strong, unmistakable message that acts or threats of Political Violence of any kind have no place in the United States of america. [ applause ] hes going to do a political rally tonight, well obviously check out the tone for that. We have all the angles of this breaking news story covered. Jim cavanaugh is an msnbc contributor, former special agent, and clint vanzant is an msnbc contributor and former fbi profiler. Whos taking the lead on this investigation, is it the secret service, is it the fbi, or is it the nypd . I say that because there does seem to be a new york pattern more than anything else. The answer to your question is yes, its going to be all those agencies, at some point if theyre able to find this individual, theyre going to want to bring this person forward and prosecute this person, it would be a federal case if it crossed a state lines, and it appears that it has and then it became a federal case and the type of case that it is, involving bombs, that makes it federal. Primarily its going to be the new York Joint Terrorism Task force, theres over 100 nypd detectives on that task force, theres a full compliment or fbi agents on that task force. Not all those detectives are going to be working on this investigation, but theyre going to have a lot of manpower at their disposal. In addition to that, just in the last several minutes as you were getting ready to come on the air here, chuck, the fbi released a Public Statement about the events that occurred today. And it occurred on monday, the device has been sent to the fbis labs in quantico, the fbi detectives will take a look at these. This is not the first time we have had bombing or attempted bombing incidents. Theyre going to actually take the time to pull apart these devices, theyre going to look at every single little bit of evidence that they can get and they will get to a point where they try to reconstruct the bomb and to figure out why these didnt go off and to figure out where these might have come from today. Obviously the type of components can lead them to where certain things may have been purchased and from there, that could lead them to a suspect, if they dont have somebody in mind already. Thats where this investigation is going to go to next. Theres going to be a lot of on the ground work, but its going to be up to the bomb network to draw them closer to the circle of where this person may be. One other piece of evidence that im curious about from this morning, before news spread about the clinton, obama and holder potential attacks, i was reading an update about the investigation into the incident with george soros, at his house. And there was, it seemed that they had concluded that it did not go through the Postal Service, that they thought the person hand delivered it, but it was made to seem as if it went to the Postal Service. Do we know for sure these were all sent through the Postal Service or are they sort of backtracking now on that part of the soros investigation . Right, chuck, so at this point its not clear at all that they all went through the Postal Service. Its certainly possible that somebody could buy stamps, the fbi made it clear that the packages had the forever stamps on them, but that doesnt mean they went through the mailing incident. And my colleague has been on the george soros incident since monday night, that was the thinking then, perhaps it had been hand delivered. But on the other hand maybe it didnt get the requisite po postmarking because of the size of the package or the shape of the package. Because obviously if you had somebody that hand delivered that package on monday night, they would like to know who hand delivered it. And if that person is a suspect, then they were in the Greater New York city area as recently as two days ago, so thats one of the key centers of the investigation at this point. And finally, have authorities sent out warnings of anybody else they think could be on a list like this . I know our network is taking certain precautions for obvious reasons. Frankly john brennan is somebody whos on our payroll, i know were taking precautions, but has the fed reached out to other folks urging extra precautions . First is the nypd has a program called nypd shield, its an event that members of the press are invited to and basically its a con sorsortium public and private agencies. Theres a tremendous amount of information thats been pushed out through that program today that they manage. And so that allows businesses here to be on the lookout for these type of packages, the fbi releasing another picture of them tonight, so people demo whdemo know what to look for, mail rooms know what to look out. We have seen from our colleagues on the hill and other Government Agencies where they have advised Congress People about these packages and other people about them. So anybody looking, says well, what are your targets . Somebody here clearly wants attention. Its all we have been talking about for the last eight or nine hours. And somebody here clearly wants to get to the media and get to the politician. So clearly we know what their circle of targets are. Let me bring in our two experts, jim cavanaugh, clint van zandt. Weve done this a lot with each other, whats the motivation of a shooter, clint, you did this for a living, profile this person for us . Yeah, well, the fbi, atf and others, youve got to take a twotrack investigation, although to you and me and most of america, say well its got to be obvious this is some right wing nut who did this, just like the guy who shot up the Congressional Ball team last year. But youve got to take that twotrack investigation on the offchance this is a red herring, this is someone whos giving you a head fake, theyre sending in one direction when theyre going the other. Theyll study both sides of the fence, and theyre also going to look at the tremendous wealth, of the forensic evidence. We look at the envelope, well, look how dumb this person is, they cant spell florida, they cant spell brennans name right. But sometimes the person is trying to look less intelligent. You and i can dumb down or writing, but we cant smart up. Theres multiple tracks that we can look at right now, but this is the type of individual, chuck, he doesnt just contain this in himself. This is someone who would have written, who would have told associates, letters to the editor, blogs, everything as he kind of built up his crescendo inside of him. And he its got a bomb factory in his basement, or somewhere elsewhere he was able to put all this together. That means he had to buy all this, where did you buy the caps, the wires, the battery, did he buy them all at one Hardware Store or different ones, theres going to be a lot of information thats going to lead us to this guy, but right now i think its too early to take any suspect off the table until we create this pool of people and then were going to start shrinking that pool down. And i would strongly suggest that within a few days, the authorities are going to have a couple of good suspects of who they think might have done this from the forensic, as well as the behavioral side. Jim, theres two names in my head, clint mentioned one of them, ted kaczynski, the unabomber. It took years to find these individuals, not days or weeks. Whats your sense of where this is headed . I worked extensively on both of those, i worked on the birmingham cop and the unabo unabomber. He would second a letter and say hey im going to send you a book in a couple of weeks, youre really going to like it. And so in a couple of weeks, the recipient was expecting it and its a bomb. And in the case of Debbie Wasserman schultz, they would go ahead and open it. The bomber is watching extensively today, all these networks, this is his day, hes watching it all and he may be making more bombs. I dont think well see another bomb exactly in that envelope like that, unless it was already in the mail stream. Because hes going to change. Thats what happens to these guys. They adapt, we call it a bombers progression, they get a bigger bomb, they adapt, they change, his targeting could change a little bit. His fusing and firing. We havent got that yet from the agents on exactly how this was. And it could be very well that theres explosive filler or electronics and its not rigged to detonate. And if thats the case, thats where clint and the guys at behavioral science, what did this guy want . But sometimes you would see a message come out, hey, this isnt real, but the next ones will be and i know how to do it and it could come in that same computerized type that we see on these envelopes. This guy could be making bombs right now and thats the critical thing. Ive got to say, clint, is it possible that these were designed not to go off . I think it is possible theres two Different Things to building a bomb. And im stepping into jims sandbox here, but number one, its building the actual pipe bomb itself, and number two is building the detonator and attaching the two. The pipe bomb is not that koch indicated. You take a pipe, you cap on both ends, youve got an igniter and youve got a detonator, is it ta attached to when you open it up. Or is this simply a shot across americas bow, is this somebody saying i could do this if i wanted to, therefore ive got your attention, now im a terrorist, im a domestic, political, whatever i am, i have stepped up on the stage, ive got your attention, now i have a statement to make. Jim and i would be the first ones out there saying, please, tell us the rest of your story, dont send anymore bombs. Just like when we were dealing with march of this year with the bombs in march in august tstin,. We said, what do wow want to tell us . What is your story . Whether theres other bombs to be built, i agree with bill, this guys channel surfing, going channel to channel, giving himself a highfive for what hes done, but is this enough . Is this the psychological heroin thats going to carry him today or does tomorrow does he need a bigger hit, stand up on that stage and tell us what its all about. Jim, clint brought this up earlier in our first back and forth, when jim said its possible this is a red herring. You know, it is a red herring and somebody international is messing around, you could come up with lots of plot twists if you were writing a drama here. What would you look for to see if it was a red herring. What was said here is major League Categories, just like clint described, we would set off major League Categories to rule stuff out. But one thing i always tell young agents, never throw away the obvious. If you throw away the obvious, thats a mistake. It could be a red herring, but is there some twisted way this could back, but we also want to be following the obvious leads, is this a guy thats into those crack pot conspiracies, is he buying into that george soros is sending caravans of people, Hillary Clinton is some kind of pedophile. These things are not new. There is there is a place where they keep threats phone calls, and the secret service has a lot of them. What youre saying is the Capitol Police probably has a database of kooks. The nsa has all the bombings that have happened since the 60s. Every wire splice, and the terrorist explosive device an lit tick center, after 9 11, atf and fbi joined in that. So we have centers that can correlate the bombings, correlate the kooks, but you really want to get down to the basic tax here, can you get to something simple, tracking that post office code, is there a camera there, can you get a picture of the bomber . Is can you get an id . Can you get dna, fingerprints, hair off of the device, or if you can get a search warrant of his house, all the bomb components, theyll all be there, all the tape and the wires and pipe and all. And it will change, the bomb will change. So you got to be alert for that. Jim and clint, i got 15 seconds, but it sounds like you both think hes going to try this again. Let me make a clear case. I dont think the guys done, i think hes got more to say, hes got more to do, and thats why were in this foot race to find him before he sets off a device. Jim cavanaugh and clint vanzant, you guys are always the best on stuff like this. Up ahead, my interview with senator ted cruz, how hes reacting to todays developments. So, that goal youve been saving for, you can do it. We can do this. At fidelity, our online planning tools are clear and straightforward so you can plan for retirement while saving for the things you want to do today. Whoo my love has come along, applebees new neighborhood pastas. Now thats eatin good in the neighborhood. Welcome back. Were of course here in dallas, on the final stop of our meet the midterms road trip. Earlier today i caught with senator ted cruz on his campaign bus in downtown dallas, as i caught up with him, the news was breaking about all these explosive devices. We talked more extensively about the current political environment. Take a listen. Well, listen, this has been a very divided time, a polarized time. Violence is never okay, and it doesnt matter where on the political spectrum it comes. These bombs that were apparently sent to soros and obama and clinton, is deeply troubling. On its face it appears to be a terrorist act. I hope the person is caught, is prosecuted and goes to jail for a long, long time. Ben howe tweeted, 25 years ago, everybody would have assumed its just a loan bomber. We also had a gunman come to congress and nearly kill Steve Scalise. Were in a bad spot. Were badly polarized and divided. And i wish everyone would just count to 10 and calm down, and it doesnt mean we have to agree on substance. The democratic process is all about debating and figuring out whats the best policy. High taxes or low taxes, thats an important debate to have. But we need to do it with civility, we need to do it in a way that respects each others decency and humanity. Last year i did three town hall debates on cnn with bernie sanders. They were 90 minutes each. Bernie and i disagree on almost everything, yet we were able to discuss the substance. Do you agree with the president . Chuck, its worth pointing out, and i think the media always focuses on the president. There are too many democratic politicians that are actively encouraging this. When Maxine Waters says go, harass, scream, yell, thats wrong. Cory booker is a friend of mine, but when he says go get into peoples faces and threaten them, thats not okay. What about the president body slamming. Is there any way to cool it down everywhere . I agree with that. I thoughts it was unfortunate when Hillary Clinton said we can be civil after the democrats win. Thats wrong. Look, look, and by the way, when people harass nancy pelosi, i spoke out and said thats wrong too. And i disagree with nancy, but we can treat each other with decency and respect. Dont you think its a social media culture, that everything can somehow go viral . People say things on social media they would never say in real life. I say always tweet like your mothers reading. On twitter, when im reading twitter, i dont let my daughters see what im seeing. Because every other record is an fbomb. I also think the rhetoric that is used, i remember when the Senate Passed the tax cut. Up in the gallery there were some protesters and one guy screamed stop killing people. And i looked up, i mean completely puzzled. I was tempted to go up and talk to the guy and say, we just cut your taxes. But it really isnt killing you, cutting taxes isnt killing you, and you embrace that rhetoric, your cutting taxes is killing me. Then it becomes ive got to defend my life by attacking you and thats not healthy for a republican. Let me bring in my washington, d. C. Analysts today. Michael steele, former rnc chairman and msnbc political analyst. Michael steel, the thing that caught me, by mild surprise from senator cruz, and hes not the only one, is the hesitance to say that the president needs to take a leave here. Yes, yes. What did you make of that . Again, it was just more of the same problem. It was so disappointing. And its within of those moments where when ted cruz says, you know, Everybody Needs to step back and count to ten, yes, starting with the president. We seem to want to absolve this administration, this presidency of the role that has been played by so many of his predecessors as a leading indicator for the country. We, believe it or not do follow what the president says, what the president does. We are connected to that white house in an intrinsic way. So when the president goes off on these wild tangents and this hot rhetoric, there are a lot of americans who listen to that. They come to believe that when its repeated over and over and over again, with no rebuke by hi