Five separate federal crimes connected to the assembly and mailing of those 13 bombs. Today we learned that he has mailed devices to democrat senators cory bookers office in new jersey and Kamala Harris office in california. Sayoc is facing up to 48 years in prison. Authorities did not discuss his motives at this afternoons press conference, but folks his van and social media profile paint a person who trafficked in protrump and antimedia propaganda. His van was adorned with stickers reviled by the extreme right. Some of his actual bomb targets were featured on his van as well. Not just Hillary Clinton. That included the obamas, eric holder, cnn. Numerous political and media figure that the president and conservative media have attempted to single out, including some at this network, including some at this table. Sayocs twitter profile shows him attending trump rallies, cheering on chants of cnn sucks and posting conspiracies about the clintons quote murder list. He liked pages called kill george soros. Facebook has taken down the kill george soros page. As of just a few minutes ago, the kill all socialists page was still up. As i mentioned, both the attorney general and the fbi director were careful to dodge questions this afternoon about his motivations. Why was he starring democrats targeting democrats . I dont know, other than what you might normally expect. He may have been appears to be a partisan. That would be determined by the facts as the case goes forward and i am not able to comment on that. Reporter that nasty political rhetoric might motivate someone predisposed to violence might act out . We are concerned about acts of violence under any motivation. An uncomfortable debate about the state of our political rhetoric and the president s role in it. Just this morning as investigators were actually closing in on sayoc, the president seemed to suggest that these bombs were a hoax designed to slow gop momentum heading into the midterms. Its a a Conspiracy Theory that his own Justice Department today totally debunked. Some of his supporters have embraced it. The president spoke to reporters as he left for rally in charlotte, north carolina. He was a bit defiant. We will dive into the politics in a moment. The latest in the investigation. Pete williams is at the department of justice. Jim kavanaugh, msnbc contributor, clint van zandt, former agent and profiler, former assistant United States attorney for the southern of district of new york also. Pete, lets start with the investigation. I assume they are interrogating him now. I understand he is not being very cooperative. What more can you share on that . Reporter so, no and yes. They are not interrogating him now because he isnt being very cooperative. They questioned him under the exigent circumstances exception to the miranda rule. Thats used in bombing cases like this where they dont have to give a miranda warning. They can still admit what he says if they are trying find out if there were other devices. He wont say, they are telling us, so they are not getting much out of him. Thats one of the reasons why, you were talking earlier about motive, they dont know. At this point thats not the point of the criminal investigation. The point of the criminal investigation is to find out who did it. The why may or may not matter in the long term in the criminal case, although it may be important in the political realm. What they say is a very interesting detail, that just yesterday the fbi managed to isolate a fingerprint on the envelope of one of the packages that was addressed to congresswoman maxine waters. The one that was intercepted at a congressional screening, mail screening facility in maryland. That fingerprint, they say, matched a fingerprint belonging to sayoc. His fingerprints were in the federal database because he has a criminal past in florida. Secondly, they say, they found dna material on devices inside some of the packages, which they describe as a potential match to his dna, which they also have because of the previous criminal conviction in florida. So based on that, they say, thats the reason they got the probable cause warrant to arrest him. They are not learning much more from questioning him. You can be sure that they will soon search that van that you saw being hauled away today, that you saw the police and federal agents surrounding it and hauling it away. Apparently, he was living in that van. He had lived in the past with his mother in gated community, but most recently he was living in it. One of the Big Questions is, where were those bombs made . They will be going over that van in extreme detail, looking to see if they can find any evidence related to the case, and then of course they will be looking at his phones, his computers and seeing if that yields any evidence as well. He will not say right now if there are more bombs that were mailed, correct . And if thats the case reporter correct. How confident are authorities that they have got, that at least nothing more is in the system . Reporter they dont know. I wouldnt say there is a high degree of confidence on that. There is a high degree of confidence no more will be going into the system they believe because they think he is the only one involved. Now, they havent completely ruled out whether he had help. But they say, basically, hes the guy. Jim kavanaugh, Christopher Wray in his press conference says the bombs contained energetic material that can be dangerous if subjected to the right combination of heat, shock, or friction. Now that you have gotten a little more details about these devices, and i know you havent been able to personally inspect them, how is he planning on detonating these things . You have a better understanding of that. Reporter craw. Thats a lot of fancy bomb talk. I mean, they think its an explosive material or incendiary material. Its a material thats going to burn or blow up. Its going to, you know, its going to act when its subject to shock, friction, or heat. Thats just like dynamite, c4, low explosive pattern. We get into a lot of fancy bomb talk. Ieds. That was our inside baseball talk for 40 years. So its fancy bomb talk. Its a bomb. Its a homemade bomb, basically. Thats explosives or incendiary material. The first charge, i just read the complaint, the first charge is 18 usc 844 d. This was the bread and butter statute of atf. The interstate transportation of explosives with the intent to injure, kill, or intimidate. Under that statute, you just have to profits an explosive material. Interstate transportation of explosives with the intent to injure, kill, or intimidate, clearly they were used interstate. This is coming from, im sure, the u. S. Attorneys who hover with you during the complaint. These are the charges that they can easily prove right now. The intimidation. 1114 is assault on a federal officer, including mr. Brennan, the president. If you shoot a federal agent, thats the same statute. So these are easily provable. The mailing statute. So its smart. Its smart money what they went after, and the fingerprint. Thats the solid evidence backed up by the dna. Of course, his motive. Motive all over the van, chuck. These cases, its all over the place. Well, let me go to the profile of him. Clint van zandt, you essentially, this feels like it fits exactly the profile you thought. A little bit older, loaner, white male, that sort of thing. He sort of ended up fitting the profile you were hinting at . We were talking. We suggested no more than 24 to 48 hours after we last talked that he would be in custody. So i think the authorities have been able to carry that off for us. This guy, he is going to have a psychiatrist who is going to work with him and talk with him. I think one of his relatives has hit the nail on the head. He describes this guy as a loose cannon, a lost soul who lived in his vehicle, who took showers at the local gym. He shot himself up with steroids. He involved himself with male strip dancers. You know, when you look at the mentality of this guy, and again were trying to understand if there was anybody else involved, its hard to imagine anybody else would want to associate themselves with this guy. And so i think he could be fully capable of doing everything that hes charged with. Realize that just this year i looked back on the internet. I found individuals who have built 20, 30, 40 pipe games that atf and local police had columb 1999 this almost 100 pipe bombs they had built. So there is a strong possibility that there are other devices out there. And i think, as jim and i are talking about, the question is where was he assembling . Did he have a bomb factory inside of his van . Was he using another location . Thats one thing the authorities are still trying to find. Are there bombs in the system . Are they delivered someplace else . This investigation is not over with. Its not a slamdunk case, but i tell you and what. You have physical, you have psychological, you have investigative evidence on this guy. He is not a rocket scientist, but he sure scared the hell out of us this week. Mimi rocca, why is he not being charged with attempted murder . Well, i think as many people have said, this is a quick hit. These were the easiest charges to bring now. They are good charges. They are strong charges. Attempted murder requires a level of intent that they just dont need to show right now. So why are you going to put that into a complaint . If i were betting i would say this is not all the evidence they have right now. Certainly not all the evidence they will end up. This investigation is ongoing, and i think there is going to be a lot more evidence gathered. My guess is its not all the evidence they have right now. They dont want to put all their evidence in the complaint because they dont want him to know what they have, especially if they were trying to question him. He is not talking . Fine. Thats his right. You know, they are still going to get more evidence. My guess is they will be able to show that intent. Frankly, even if they dont, these are significant charges. He is eligible to be charged. He is being charged here in the Southern District of new york. But there are other counts that could be brought in other districts. He is facing a heck of a lot of time in prison as is. He is probably never going to see the light of day as a free man . I would guess thats right. Jim kavanaugh, talk to me about this interrogation issue right now. He is not being cooperative. He wont say how many more he made. He is not being helpful here. Obviously, i know you have run into this before. Clint, you have run into this before. Starting with you, jim, give me some ways you think, you know, in your experience how long it takes to crack somebody like this. Well, in the first part, as a commander on a case like this where the guy is not talking and i am worried about more bombs, what i am going to be doing is driving the agents into his computer because i want all the purchase records of how many of these digital alarm clocks did he buy and how many do we have . How much length of pipe did he buy and how much do we have . And how much, you know, we will get a search warrant. I want you in there with a tape measure measuring that pvc pipe in the garage. I want to measure we know how much is in the bombs and how much is left and how much isnt and how many timers did he buy . Do we have them all . Are there two sitting on the bench and he only bought 15 and we have 13 bombs and two on the bench . I will feel better. I will be driving that first. Like mimi said, look, i kind of always like these smartalecky guys who want to be the tough guy and all that kind of stuff. You know, some of those guys really are not that smart because you got so much evidence on the guy. You really dont even need him to talk. I mean, you have his fingerprints, his dna, his bomb factory, motive on his van and targets. Okay, fine, dont help us. Its not necessary. There is many cases where, if the guy doesnt talk, you cant get anything. This is not one of those cases. But the main focus of the fbi, the atf, the postal inspectors, the police, is public safety. Driving it in, is this the end of that bomb campaign. Thats what they have to drive today. And, clint, profiling him and maybe his associates, obviously they want to see not necessarily obviously want to see if he had any help, but i assume they will try to talk to anybody he interacted with on a regular basis and find out more about him and see if any of his associates are helping him . Yeah. They are going to put together a wiring diagram of this guy based upon his cell phone, based upon his credit cards, his activities on the internet. Realize this is a guy who used five, if not six, different aliases to post on the internet. But again to get a chance to talk with him, this is someone who has spent the whole week trying to get our attention. Now is the time, you know, if we get a chance to toalk with him, we say you have tried to get our attention all week. Youve got it. You have one chance. You can tell america why you did this. You dont want to be written off as some nut, do you . You have done it for a reason. Tell us what that reason was. Meantime, we will be looking at his vehicle, his license plate. We will look at every time he has passed any type of license plate reader. We are going to be following his credit cards. We are going to see why his iphone has beeped at the last month or two. There is going to be this tremendous map that will be laid out and its going to follow every movement hes made, walking, driving, talking on the internet. So we can put all of this together and see what this guys life has been like the last now months, maybe the last few years. But realize this is a guy who like 15 years ago got into an argument with somebody with the Power Company and said, oh, if you dont do what i want, maybe i should throw a bomb at you. So for at least a decade and a half he has been thinking of bombs as a conflict resident la resolution method. You guys were credible partners all week long. Frankly, you took us to this midnight and, frankly, foreshadowing almost to a t who this person would be. Mimi, thank you for the legal perspective. Its going to be in your court soon. For now, thank you all. Pete williams had to start working on the news. Much more on our breaking news ahead. 11 days until election day. A weir of fear, loathing and lies on the campaign trail. Now this . How does it play . We will be right back. Failure l . The beat goes on. It looks like emily cooking dinner for ten. The beat goes on. It looks like jonathan on a date with his wife. Ladiladi. Entresto is a Heart Failure medicine that helps your heart. So you can keep on doing what you love. In the largest Heart Failure study ever, entresto was proven superior at helping people stay alive and out of the hospital. It helps improve your hearts ability to pump blood to the body. Dont take entresto if pregnant; it can cause harm or death to an unborn baby. Dont take entresto with an ace inhibitor or aliskiren, or if youve had angioedema with an ace or arb. 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The republicans had tremendous momentum and this happened where all that you people talk about was that, and rightfully so, it was a big thing, rightfully so, but now we have to start the momentum again. I think the republicans have tremendous momentum when you think of young kavanaugh, when you think of all the things that have happened, and hopefully we are going to go on to a great victory. I could really tone it up because, as you know, the media has been extremely unfair to me. Reporter how . And to the Republican Party. I think the media has been very, very unfair in terms of the Republican Party and the way its been covered. That just happened. Joining me is geoff bennett, nbc News White House correspondent, hugh hewitt. Of course, an msnbc contributor. I am not surprised that thats as always, he said the quiet part out loud. Its a well established ritual at this point. The moment is called for President Trump he does it up to a point. He read from scripted remarks today. He called for an end to Political Violence in the american discourse. And then as his eyes and mind strayed from the teleprompter he painted himself as a victim of political hostilities. He asked a rhetorical question, who has it worse than me . You saw on the south lawn the president speaking to our Kelly Odonnell suggesting he has no role to play in any of this. We saw the white house, before this florida man was apprehended, they telegraphed what their strategy is, to say the president is no more responsible for someone doing Something Like this than Bernie Sanders was given the shooter in the congressional baseball field shooting was a Bernie Sanders supporter. I find that to be thats fine. I think thats accurate. But then the next step. Yes. Which is, you know what . Some people may misinterpret my hyperbole. Here is where i am going to d disagree with the president. I was sick last week so i listened it a lot of cable. The insinewation that the president would like or encourage violence was omni press ent. I have one standard. It was articulated. Angry obsessives are dangerous. Everybody in politics has to do with a mind towards the angry obsessive we see them in the rallies. I dont want to park next to those vans. You are like, no. Six lanes over, please. But that a part of our political landscape. I think the president reacting there is very simply the honest reaction of someone who thinks he has been fingered wrongly for the male stripper steroid enrag enraged crazy guy in florida. Its hard for me to believe any other president would have acted that way. Thats all. You may believe everything he may feel all of those feelings. But still. The inside