Of eights target list is paul ryan. Democrats hope may emerge as a champion of reform in the house. As evidence, after the republican immigration meeting last week as some members were bashing so called amnesty and insisting no way no how on comprehensive reform, paul ryan repeatedly reminded his conference that the problem is still a problem and needs to be fixed. We have a broken system that needs to be fixed and i think we have consensus that the system is broken and it needs to be fixed. It needs to be fixed. It needs to be fixed. There is an emerging consensus that its broken and theres a consensus we need to fix it. It needs to be fixed. Joining me, time magazines newly minted Washington Bureau chief, pop a bottle, michael cherrer. Washington post columnist, e. J. Dionne, New York Times economy reporter, a any any ie lowrie is on set and Michael Steel. Chair men, the moustache is back and with that optimism, i think, in washington. First of all, paul ryan over and over again ij cysting that theres consensus, insisting that the problem can be fixed and then john boehner this morning not pushing back on the gang of eight intends to educate raucous caucus members. I think these are good signs. Yeah, it is. Its a bifurcated effort. The leadership realizes that there is a population of members in the house and the caucus who are not going to go in any form of Immigration Reform. You can break it up in small chunks. You can do a big piece. Theyre just not going to buy it. So they segregate those guys out, they know who they are, and then they begin to work the remaining members. Thats the mess saminging, the tone. Ryan coming out of that meeting saying, hey, youve played it over and over again. Those are four sets of information in the same thing. Hes emphasizing the point that were going to get this done. They recognize that they cannot go into next year with this hanging over their head. This could be more damaging than most and they want to get it behind them. You know, michael, whats interesting is the tact now seems to be, you dont have to push your Congress Member for a path to legalization or amnesty or citizenship, just unch them to urge boehner to break the haster rule. That seems doable given that hes broken it several times. Hes said hes not going to do it this time. He can change his mind. For the Republican Leadership their hope is coaxing their leaders. You can see a conference report come being out if they pass something that doesnt make the senate happy and then comes back to the house. You could break the haster rule then. This is the beginning of a process. Whats going to happen is republicans are going to have to be made to feel like they own this bill in the house and right now they dont. They have to put their mark on it. Maybe its a billion dollars more for a bigger fence, maybe its a slightly different guest worker program, maybe its another year on the path to citizenship and that i think is the hoped for outcome. I think its difficult to get there. And you can hear in some of the stuff the white house has been saying recently, even in the president s interview yesterday, some real concern that even though the senate process went as well as anyone could have hoped, the house hasnt taken the cue that everybody was hoping for. As the house wants to do. Things love to fall on deaf ears. The house loves to have things fall on deaf ears in the house. Annie, i think that the president did the interview with telemundo and a lot of Spanish Language media has not paid attention to how bad theyre getting into spanish media, jorge ramos saying does Speaker Boehner want to be the new speaker immigrationreform. This is a signal that they are really going to try to get the Hispanic Community. Business and evangelical groups as well. The Hispanic Community is going to be a huge piece of trying to push them to compromise on this. Absolutely. The two things are notable. The first is that the white house hasnt been out in front of this. They havent been berating members of congress about this. The president has talked about it, he talked about it as a priority. I think theyve been trying to step back and let congress do its work so that this is not a white house bill, not an obama effort to get the ownership to pass something. The second thing is in the event that something doesnt pass i think youll hear a lot from democrats about the republican failure to get something through. Yes. Youll definitely stating the obvious. So i think that theyre gearing up for that. Let me ask you about the president s approach because the conventional wisdom, as annie said, he cant get too involved in this. It has to look like its an organic thing. Peter wrote a profile or analysis of president obamas style in the New York Times yesterday, he said some compare mr. Obamas approach to the hidden hand style of dwight d. Eisenhower who often steered events behind the scenes without being public. On immigration, the ambitious legislative effort in his second term. Hes kept this to a minimum to avoid alienating republicans. The white house says, make no mistake, we are involved. We may be behind the scenes, but we have our hands on the specific could tspigot. I thought that was interesting. This emerged after the fact. For years eisenhower was one of my favorite republican president s and for years people said he didnt know how to speak the english language. It turned out he often did that on purpose when he didnt want to take a position. Something george w. Bush adopted but anyway, i digress. So he didnt get credit for it until after the fact so we wont know about the obama hidden hand until this is over. But by going on Spanish Language media the present sent a not so subtle message to republicans. He said, look, weve really defeated you guys overwhelmingly in the last election among latino voters and if you guys dont deliver on this, you are going to face a real political problem in 2014 and again in 2016. I think he made a mistake on this vegetable thing. He should have said this is ice cream. If you look at what republicans have in this, number one, they could reduce their cold war. They could start to contain their cold war with hispanic voters. Two, the Business Community is all over this. The Republican Party as i at least have understood likes to be in Good Standing with the Business Community, and theres a lot more activity among evangelical christians and catholics who know how many latinos are average christians. It will come back. I thought it was dead three weeks ago, two weeks ago. Its back alive. I think it will be a constant sort of, what are those things that you put the clamps on the body and get the jolt. I am not a trained doctor, i just play one on television. The paddles. I want to make a quick point and see if michael agrees. I think what matters to boehner is not that a majority of republicans in the house end up voting on a bill, i think its a majority of them in a quiet room that mitt romney is talking about, tell boehner, we need to pass this. If you end up passing this with democratic votes, were not going to hold it against you. Its that internal republican argument that does matter. It does matter. Its one of the points that you made that you cant gloss over. When youre looking at these republicans in the house and the districts they represent, 60, 70, 80 white, there is not an inclination to go back and rally behind this Immigration Reform. Their constituents say, we dont have that issue. Its not our problem. What guys like ryan and others recognize is oh, its not a problem today but in three to five years as your districts begin to change because of the demographic shifts that are happening in the country, we want to be on the leading edge of that change. We dont want to be behind trying to catch up. Thats the real push. Thats where that conversation you just eluded to is going to come in with the leadership among those republicans who are willing to make a move. Well hold these guys at bay. You go do your thing. And that thats what youre going to see the rest of the summer as we get ready for the fall heads up debate on immigration. This morning Something Else happened, and that was that boehner and cantore came out in support of the green act. This is like the cherry on top of the sundae. Well get to baked alaska. Well have a delicious caloric bomb. If this is assembled, the dream act is to get otherwise intransigent folks on board i think with a path to either city citizenship or legalization. If you take that apart from it, its real hard to imagine the rest of the caucus coming on board or getting this through the house, getting legalization or path to citizenship if the dream act is no longer part of the bill. It is no longer. The other possibility is that the dream act is all that passes. The senate will say, no, were not going to take it. Hidden under all of that discussion to get back to the caloric metaphors, this may be ice cream five, ten years from now and dream act may be a cherry right now, but with a lot of these members facing primaries, possible primary challenges, you have sardines in the near future, right . So one of the debates thats actually happening now among House Republicans is if we are to go forward with this, is it better to try and have a very difficult vote on it this fall and set it up so that my primary challenger can register and come after me in the spring or is it better to wait on this . That calculation which is still being worked out now and it will be worked out by every Single Member who is going to face a tough vote, what are the chances of a primary challenge. I have a safe district. This could cost me this year. Could i say one of the things michael seal said that was so important is these district boundaries are not border fences that say keep out certain kinds of people and that its quite right that they face short term challenges. In the long term, many of them will change. They have to think about both things at the same time. Let me just say, annie, especially since you focus on the economy. There is the economic piece and not just business interests and high skill laborers. Don freedman has an interesting analysis. He makes the point, i think a lot of folks dont know this, 40 cents of every one dollar of mexican exports are materials made in the u. S. A. Compared to 4 from china. We can keep building fences between the u. S. And mexico, but actually a much more substantive economically profitable future for the u. S. Doesnt involve having a 40 foot metal fence but figuring out a symbiotic relationship with the Mexican Government and mexican people. Right. This is hard. Immigration reform is going to be a good thing for the economy. Immigration is a good thing for the economies. There are winners and losers. For lower skilled workers, its going to be hard. This is why it hasnt been disaggregated before. High skilled immigrants are not controversial. They havent passed bills to bring in people with ph. D. S precisely because you need to deal with the 10 million problem. Let me ask you, e. J. , in terms of the long lens for the president , if he doesnt get Immigration Reform passed, how devastating is that for him in terms of anything else he may get done and what are the implications in terms of bipartisan . Because we talk a lot about the fever and whether or not it broke. It didnt break. The fact that john mccain and Lindsey Graham are working with the white house, if you will, and democrats on filibusters would seem to be a point of hope but if Immigration Reform fails, which is the most substantive piece of legislation we can hope for in the next four years, what are the implications for president and the congress . There are two ways this can go. To underscore something annie said, if we care about the impact of Immigration Reform, we should increase the minimum wage. I dont understand why theyre not talking about that which is very popular across a lot of lines. If Immigration Reform goes down, it is a defeat for the president , but theres a big however, which is why he went on Spanish Language television. If the republicans take a big hit in 2014, if the Hispanic Group says you stop this from happening, we are going to have this happen in virginia were having next fall, then a defeat for the president could turn into a defeat for the republicans. Its a twostage thing. Yes, it would be bad for the president but well see what happens in 2014. Before we go, Michael Steel, i wonder this because you look at what is happening and you look at the impossibility of John Boehners job. Do you think there will ever be there was a political article a couple of weeks ago saying elders understand the districts as they are drawn are actually not that good for the party no, theyre not. In terms of National Governance and understanding gerrymandering happens. Do you think there will be some awakening on behalf of republican governors to not district them so red and so conservative . They may have the awakening but the reality of the political process will probably stunt that opportunity for them who really want to make the reforms you see in california where they have an independent commission drawing those lines versus the political process. So, yeah, thats part of the reality. I think e. J. Really for me at least sort of sums up the future for the gop. Im a ballplayer. Thats how i look at politics and the long ball list that im looking at, i see two balls coming at the partys head and folks are sitting back talking about, oh, yeah, you know, minority turnout in the last election was low. Really . Wait until next year when the democrats start trying to relate on those two subjects. It wont matter because theyll be overwhelmed in other corners of this country. 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From the beginning Edward Snowden and his supporters, including the guardians Glenn Greenwald, have insisted that the media and the public keep their focus on the massive surveillance state that snowden revealed rather than the maneuverings than the man himself. It has fallen on deaf ears. In large part, thats because snowdens flight pattern has made him a pawn in a diplomatic chess match between the u. S. And russia. He is not a human rights activist. He is not a dissi denlt. Hes accused of leaking classified information. The russian government has an opportunity here to work with us through the normal channels to expel mr. Snowden. This should not be something that causes longterm problems for u. S. russian relations. Doing his part to inflame international tensions, senator Lindsey Graham yesterday called for a boycott of next years Winter Olympics in russia if president putin refuses to hand over snowden. 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