This happened in kansas. Whats going on within the Republican Party here in kansas . People are so irritated at what the president is doing, they want somebody to throw a brick. Republicans proi approval 19 . We havent made our case on why republicans should take control. They have made obstruction their mode of governance. They want somebody to throw a brick. Republicans cannot afford interparty fraticide. The headlines coming out of the primaries was kansas senator pat roberts and his victory over Tea Party Challenger milton wolf. Something he accomplished with the help of a superior bank account and a steady tack even further to the right, especially on anything wreaking of amnesty. Roberts called for harmony. Republicans in kansas nationally cannot afford the kind of intraparty fraticide. We cant afford to waste scarce resources and energy telling ourselves apart. The gop cannot afford intraparty fratricide. On dont mthe basic ten aents o government. That thing is a lusty hatred for president obama. Case in point, kansas governor sam brownback. Since 2010, brownback has embarked on a radical agenda that forced drastic cuts to public services. An experiment so disastrous that last month over 100 current and former republican officials endorsed his democratic opponent. As expected, brownback won his primary last night, but his long shot republican challenger, jennifer wynn, who raised just 13,000, got an astounding 37 of the vote. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for governor brownback, who was asked about discontent within his party. Whats going on with the republicans in kansas . Well, i think a big part of it is barack obama, that a lot of people are so irritated at what the president is doing, they just are they want somebody to throw a brick. So republican primary voters are mad not because brownbacks grand experiment is a colossal failure but because obama. Brownbacks democratic challenger paul davis is not having it. The state of kansas is facing a budget deficit of well over 1 billion from Sam Brownbacks tax experiment. We simply cant afford to do that. It means cuts to schools. Cuts to transportation. All those kcritical serviceses that the people of kansas depends upon. Paul davis proposing the fiscal nightmare inflicted upon the state is actually the work of the governor of the state and he is not alone. Just hours ago, Standard Poors cited this decision to reduce kansas credit rating. The Governors Association clearly concerned about this news of paul davis, that the fault lies with governor brownback. They are clearly worried about governor brownbacks future. And rushed out an ad slamming paul davis the only way republicans know how. Paul davis helped organize kansas for obama. Then obama was a delegate at the national convention. Four years later after the failed stimulus, massive bailout, record debt, a stalled economy and the obamacare disaster, paul davis was right back at the Democratic Convention as obamas delegate. Dont delegate kansas to an obama liberal. Joining me now is correspondent for the upshot at the New York Times josh farrow and Political Columnist for the Washington Post dana milbank. Someone should tell brownback that brick is heading in his direction. Its fairly unbelievable he answered that question by referring to president obama. I believe he would give that answer to the question. Its the same thing you see in the ad. The thing in a red state like kansas if youre an embattled republican governor is you try to nashalize the race as month as possible. Try to get people not to Pay Attention to the state budget. Kansas has had a Republican Party at war with itself for decades. It predates what were seeing nationally in the Republican Party. The party had a strong moderate wing. Brownbacks side won the fight within the party over the last few years. Theres still a lot of moderate republicans left in kansas. Its not most of the party but its enough for him to lose 37 of the vote in the primary. To have a serious challenge at peeling off voters in a general election. Not only are there moderate republicans left in kansas, they are emboldened by the disaster created for them by their republican governor. I dont know if its a member of ideology but just a matter of arithmetic here. Sam brownback is right that somebody needs to throw a brick but hes the one would threw the brick by creating this enormous deficit thats causing these downgrades. The whole idea was this was going to create some curve of new growth it the job growth in kansas is barely half the national average, so it just hasnt worked. I think hes once again gone through this notion of sort of faithbased accounting, that you just cut taxes, you cut taxes and everything is going to be just fine. So the people who are bolding now and going over to the democrats arent they are moderates but they dont need to be moderates. Theyre just saying weve looked at the math and the thing just doesnt add up. Kansas revenue is 340 million below what it was projected to be in 2014. The governor of course cut the tax rates, individual tax rates, by 25 . S p joins moodys in downgrading the States Credit rating. Not good news for the fiscal conservatives pushing this economic plan. Not only did they have that kind of tax rate, they actually completely got rid of the tax on small businesses. If you own a company in kansas, you pay your company doesnt pay income tax and you also dont pay income tax. It was a giveaway to a specific class of taxpayers. It was supposed to create this rush of jobs into kansas. It didnt. State income taxes arent that large. Like the theory with the laugher curve where you cut tax rates and generate more revenue is a plausible argument when youre talking about 70 income tax rates at the federal level but thats not where we are. Getting rid of a 4 income tax is not going to draw so many people into kansas that you get a mass imgrowth in jobs. The governor, his tax people are claim, its a thing that had to do with this federal change. We will hit the revenue projections in the future. I dont think people are really buying that. Or willing to give him the benefit of the doubt given where the state is at right now. It was their revenue projections. Theyre the ones who said this will generate so much additional Business Activity that there wont be that much of a hole in the state budget. The problem with in policy space no one can hear you scream. The vacuum that republicans have created. Brownback is an instituted fiscal policy. The Republican Party cant get behind anything. So you end up with, and lets pull up the word cloud, word clouds like this. Which is part of an nbc news wall street journal poll that asks republicans, what would republicans want their protest signs to say. Stop abortion. Follow the constitution. Impeach obama. Stop government handouts. A lot of stop, stop, stop. Not a lot of proactive policy signs. Do this good thing. Move the ball forward in this way. And thats effectively sort of where the entire party is at. Well, except that in kansas, we do have the example of well, yes. We know what youre opposed to, guy, so what are you for. So heres a republican legislature, republican governor, nobodys stopping them. These are the policies they put into place. They put the state 1 billion into arrears. Actually causing declining job growth compared to the rest of the country. You can try to blame obama but your neighbors are doing twice as well as you are, its very hard to say obama has particularly picked on kansas even if his grandfather came from there and is the second cousin of the guy would just lost to pat roberts. Continuing on the obama meme, its that president obama is going to be out of office its especially ridiculous from brownback, given hes the one that created a lot of this inner party fighting. Because why is this group of 100 republicans out there endorsing brownbacks opponent . Because he was tacitly in primaries for races over the last few years, pushing out establishment republican, including the president republican of the Kansas State Senate who lost eye primary to a more conservative guy. Thats one of the people there endorsing paul davis. If brownback is concerned about fighting within the Republican Party, he maybe shouldnt have gone for as much skorveed earth as he did with his own states republican interparty fratricide, thy name is brownback. With the exception of kansas, the Republican Party has very little to offer on their platform, very little they can agree with. There is a lot the democrats can agree on. The hill makes the point that democrats are throwing the kitchen sink at republicans. I will read an excerpt. Theres always a danger of throwing too many issues at voters. If everything is a problem, its hard for the voter to see how realistically the democrats will resolve all of this. Especially in an era of political gridlock. Do you think theres any truth to that . I think there is some logic to that. This, i think, has been a fair criticism of president obamas leadership. Hell do an event and then move on to the next one. Whereas if he were able to pound away at an issue over and over again, whether its immigration, whether its gun control, whether its tax reform, he might be able to get more done. To say that anything could be done with this congress any time over the next three years is always going to be a bit of a stretch. He could use the bully pulpit in more of a concentrated way. That was a pick your issue. Is it unemployment, the minimum wage, and just stick with that. So many things to choose from, it is quite literally an barsment embarrassment of riches. Of the after the break, a thorough investigation of torture, the cias Detention Program and spying. But most of the substance is redacted. Ill talk with the intercepts jeremy sayhill about the report. Honey, look i got one to land. Uhhuh. vo theres good more. Honey, look at all these smart rewards points verizon just gave me. Ooh, you got a buddy. Im like a statue. I just signed up and, boom, all these points. And theres notsogood more. 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When we set up operation in one part of the country, people in other parts go to work. Thats not a coincidence. Its one more part of our commitment to america. I am absolutely committed to declassifying that report. As soon as the report is completed. We will declassify those findings so that the American People can understand what happened in the past. That was president obama nearly five months ago. The report he is referring to, the senates 6,000page report on the cias detention and integration program. The one that reportedly concludes that the cias use of water boarding and other harsh interrogation methods produced little to no valuable intelligence. Report that asserts the cia repeatedly misled the white house, our congress and the American People on the program. That report has been complete and ready for declassification for over four months now. And yet has still not been made public. By the looks of it, that is not going to happen any time soon. Yesterday, one week after receiving redactions to the report from the white house and the cia, the chair of the intelligence committee, senator Dianne Feinstein, said she would not make the report public with the current redactions. In a statement, the senator wrote that serb redactions eliminate or obscure key facts. She added this process will take some time and the report will not be released until she is satisfied that all redactions are aprpropriaappropriate. Pseudonyms werent the only things that were blacked out. U. S. Officials familiar with the redacted document told the Washington Post that the administrations strict out material that showed pieces of information long attributed to detainees had actually come from other intelligence sources. An official familiar with the contents told him he was spectacle of the redactions. The story is partially about in as anames and places. Essentially, it just becomes a bunch of verbs. Something was done but nobody did it and it wasnt done anywhere joining me now is author of the book dirty wars Investigative Reporter for the intercept jeremy skayhil. Ways the downside there . Lets remember, president obama used this term torture. Yeah, we did torture some folks yeah, this is last friday. The tone were getting from the white house lets remember, were talking about heinous acts of torture. The tone from the white house is on the one hand, yeah, we tortured some folks, killed some folks. On the other hand, what theyre basically doing is allowing these potential criminals, people who could potentially be indicted if we want to follow the rule of law in this country regarding torture. By redacting it, they are covering up not only the crime but for the individual criminals. My understanding there is somewhere in the ballpark of 200 people employed by the cia part of this program. This should be a massive criminal probe. A dictatorship of the executive branch of government when it comes to National Security policy. This administration has continued the Bush Administrations assertion essentially when youre in the white house you can control all of this. Thats not true. Theres a reason we have three branches of government. Theres this whole story about Dianne Feinstein is at war with the cia. The cia and Dianne Feinstein have certainly had a very cozy relationship. But for her to be on the warpath against them is very significant. I feel the pushing of the envelope is consistent with feinstein who has been incredibly combative, at times accepting. This seems like a bridge too far. Remember, senator of oregon has sort of implied he might use various procedures to put this report on the public report. If it gets pushed like this, if Dianne Feinstein jumps into that camp, the white house has a serious problem on its hands. You assert that this threat, this presidency has exceeded the bounds of authority. The atlantic talk, about the expectations when obama first came into office ending the bush era torture program and how that has in a way served a a smoke screen. Drawing on the credibility he gained to present what the Bush Administration did in more flattering terms than reality justifies. Even as he tib continues lettine cia continue to press much of the cia torture report. That is a pretty searing indictment. I not only agree with that, look, as far as this is playing out with dick cheney cant stand obama and obama is weakening the country. There are probably few people in this country more happy in this country than dick cheney. Out there in wyoming flyfishing. But privately he knows had a republican won, a john mccain won, they would have never been able to continue the torture program, albeit through different means, expand the drone program. Obama has cleaned up the empire, so to speak, for the cheney bush program when it compaes to thes core issues and hes the chief defender of the people they illicitly authorize to torture people on behalf of the american taxpayer. I wonder if terms of the longterm trajectory of this. There is, insofar as this president has not sought to prosecute folks that may be guilty of war crimes or may be criminals. Or even prompting closer examination of what exactly happened in the rendition program. He therefore sets the table for another president to take up the program in another egregious way. If the republicans win the 2016 election, the democrats are going to have very little ground to stand on in trying to say you cant assassinate american citizens who havent been charged with crimes. The whole thing could expand from there. The Obama Justice department has intervened in civil lawsuits brought by the families of guantanamo prisoners who died under mysterious circumstancings. The Obama Justice department has intervened and defended people like donald rumsfeld. Saying if they did all of the things, even if they killed all of those people, it would have been within the official scope of their duty. This white house has just picked up from where bush left off. If you throw into that, the prosecution of whistle blowers and the use of the espionage act, obamas looking like bush 2. 0 more and more every day. Im sure the administration would argue that the president is not at all a continuation of, you know, the bush in some ways, he isnt, certainly. Theres a broader narrative emerging in the final years of this administration regarding secrecy, regarding monitoring. I want to get to a piece you have in the interception. Which is a big story on the president s this administrations secret terrorist track system. And there are more people on the administrations terror watch list not connected to any known terrorist group than there are from al qaeda, from hamas and from hezbollah combined. How and why then are they on the list . Well, you know, there are two sort of main what we call watch lists. One is what people generally refer to as that h