We heard from the brother of usaamah rahim, who adamantly a couple of days ago stated his mother was shot in the back. That appears to have been disproven by the video by a business nearby. But i dont think we have a good idea of what were going to hear today from the family. So you refer to the video and that seems to be a sort of argument or debate over what actually is captured on it. We hear that Community Leaders have seen it as of what we know right now, the family has not. Is that right . Yeah. I know we know whether or not the family has seen it or theyre coming after just having seen it. This is something Suffolk County district has done in recent memory in boston. There was a gentleman who shot pointblank a Police Officer a month or two ago. And they did take the same approach. I think its a transparent approach and its an approach specifically designed to put the community at ease and not spark an outcry. So it appears thats what theyre doing now and they did the same thing then by showing the video to the family and members first, then to the media. Can you tell us about the community . Specifically rozlyn dale. For those who dont know boston can you give us a general profile of the area . Its actually not a town. Its a neighborhood within the city of boston. Its a pretty mixed community. I would say largely kind of middle class Blue Collar Community with sort of areas that are pretty gentrified but its not at all considered a dangerous community. It actually happens to be the part of boston in which i live several blocks away. So, you know i think its as surprising as it would be in any Boston Community that this happened here. Its certainly not something that the residents of rozlyndale would expect. We know the press conference is due to start any minute now. What effect is this having in boston . We just heard that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is receiving the death penalty. How is the community at large reacting to all of this . Yeah i mean look. I think like anything, its a little hard to tell from a reporters perspective, the extent to which people are aware of this. I think its as though we were sort of breathing out after a couple of years of holding it in. Boston is not a city that sort of has an expectation of this i think, in the way that new york does. Yeah, to have Something Like this happen on the heels of tying up the ends of the tsarnaev trial is jarring. I think the question is, you know, whats next . You know, is this just the way things are going to be . Or not . Hilary sergeant with boston. Com. Thank you for your time. Columnist from the daily beast. Dean obadala. This involves the threat of decapitation of Pamela Geller as avowed antiislamist. And a radicalized violent extremist. I wonder how do we react to this . Story . I think we should put it in context. You have, you know, two men in boston now who are apparently radicalized from what we see, from whats online the postings with the fbi intercepted in their phone calls. I think we have to understand, isis is trying to recruit muslims. Daily. Hourly, almost. They use different sales pitches, interviewed several experts for the daily beast. Its very very it concerns me as a muslim that they are being affected. The Muslim Community has to stand united against isis. Because isis wants to pick off our brothers and sisters to kill themselves or to die. And make the lives and killings of people and cause a backlash to our community. Innocent muslims. You want us to focus on isis and not lets say, i mean Pamela Geller in all of this. To call Pamela Geller antiislamist, shes an antimuslim activist who made racist comments. She is doctored to make her look like a nazi. She is called Health Care Reform an act of national rape. Shes a condescendial figure. She said they want to behead me because of cartoons. React to that. I saw that and i thought, well, yeah. Its a cartoon. But we know and have known for a very long time that cartoon depictions of the prophet mohammed are incendiary. Why would you go out of your way to insult a religion people . And, you know, she drives me crazy in the way that i think shes a very uncomfortable person to find herself weirdly defending or not. No, no, no. Or prosecuting. I am not defending Pamela Geller one bit. I think what she did was harmful, it was dangerous, and shes playing games with peoples lives here. Not just the people she put in harms way by doing this a few weeks ago, but, you know, were talking about a situation here where you have the United States thats trying to fight all these battles in the middle east at war and covertly and its coming here as were seeing what were talking about in boston. And already, the department of Homeland Security is worried about lone wolfves and things like that. Pamela geller all you need is to have her do something she did, saying on the set were just talking about cartoons to being something infinitely more let me bring in the director of the penn america center. Thank you for joining us. You come in at a perfect time in the conversation. Which is do we need to defend Pamela Geller . We need to defend her right to speak, to depict to publish cartoons showcase cartoon. I dont think we need to defend her motives, necessarily, her tone, her tenor, the broad brush that she draws, often being heard to target all muslims. Whether she intends to or not. I think thats where it becomes offensive, where its labeled hate speech by the southern poverty law center. We dont need to defend that. You can defend one part but not the other . If youre offering a defense, youre offering a defense. Context of course matters, but at the end of the day, youre basically saying yes, we need to defend Pamela Geller. I do. I think she has the right to depict cartoons of the prophet mohammed. Is it something i would do personally . No. But does she have the right to do it in the United States . Yes. Is it important to defend those outer bounds of free speech . For good reason. We dont want to go out there. She does go out there and i think it is important that territory be defended. The fact that some people are willing to use guns and violence to narrow the terrain for free speech, thats something we have to reject. How do you react . You are a muslim american. These men, the guys and girls in texas killed trying to go in and these two here especially the one killed they were not at home saying i cant believe you drew the prophet mohammed. Im going to go out there. The guys in texas had already pled guilty to lying to the fbi. But they wanted to decapitate Pamela Geller because of what she was doing. For what she was doing but they would have tried to kill policemen at the same time. These want press and attention for their grievances. I think she has a right to draw. Defending the right for americans the freedom of expression and defending Pamela Geller is two different things. Defend a right to speak horrible things but not giving a free pass to the clan leader. We can defend her right to do it. I defend her right to free speech but i have the right to condemn her vigorously and frequently as possible. Theres another aspect to this, sort of complicating things which is Glen Greenwald and others have criticized the media for being less skeptical of killing like the one in boston if the suspect is muslim. We sort of accept that the police were doing it for the right reasons, whereas were not much skeptical when its not a muslim. And tweets 14 years after 9 11 Law Enforcement can kill someone in the street suggest they were part of a quote, terrorist network, and the media will just move on. I wonder if you think thats fair. I think the outreach the fact Community Leaders saw the video and said look we agree with the police generally in terms of the description of events. Do you feel like this do you think, like, the killing of Muslim Americans is different than black americans . Wow. Well, given what you just said not in this particular case. But i do as an africanamerican, am sensitive to depictions of Police Action when it comes to communities of color. And how the presumption is always if the person who is dead in the street is africanamerican or fill in the blank person of color, the presumption is that the Law Enforcement did the right thing. Very sensitive to that. When the Community Comes out and says, hey, look. Weve got video tape. We saw what happened. I feel better about whats being said. Like you said before to suzanne, context does matter here. Just briefly, the police treat differently muslims who might commit a crime versus nonmuslims who might be involved in horrific acts. Two weeks ago, a guy charged by the fbi for plotting to go to new york state. Slaughter muslims. I beg people to cover this story. They didnt go up there with guns. I would also say for a terrorist network, is that two people or one. We have to leave it there. Hang with me. After the break, rick perry 2. 0. Governor oops. Asks america for a second chance. Plus, Hillary Clinton laufrmgnching on offensive on the Voting Rights. Can a business have a mind . A subconscious. A knack for predicting the future. Reflexes faster than the speed of thought. Can a business have a spirit . Can a business have a soul . Can a business be. Alive . Youve heard of a winwin, right . What about a winwinwin . Pick up the limited edition metallic droid turbo by motorola. Waterrepellent. 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Professor katrina beltran, and editor in chief of the texas tribune, evan smith. Before we start this conversation, i apologize to you all. We have to go now to a press conference for the terror suspect killed earlier this week. Just started speaking. Lets listen in. I think its reckless they would be out here in the parking lot shooting. On the part of the officers. I think it was foolish on the part of the young men, if he did wield the knife, it was very foolish. My name is abdullah farouq. Im very concerned for our Public Safety. Our Public Safety. As i saw in the film the other day, there was a school bus going by. In the morning, 7 00 in the morning. A school bus. And it was a yellow car. It was 7 15 in the morning. Thats when the children go back and forth to school. I think their approach was very reckless and led to the young mans death. I think the young man might have put his head in the jar of a lion and got it crushed. The family is trying to arrange for his burial arrangements, which were hoping it will be tomorrow. And they just called me and said, was i here yet . Said i was struggling to get here. So many things to do. Forgive me for being late. We heard from rahim, after he previously made statements of the video. He emotionally responded to the information he received. He heard about a young black man, its not unheard of he would be shot in the back in america. Its a crime of racism. Im not saying america is racist, but there are still elements of racism in this country and i think we have to be careful if were going to uncover what is real and good about this situation. Something real and good. And then we need to uncover what the young man did. How much he said. What were the circumstances . I heard today that they were surveying him or surveilling him for some three years. And that for the last few weeks, theyve been surveilling him and the surveillance going off 24 7. Where did you hear that sir . My wife said she heard it on some news report. Im not sure how definite that is. But we do know he was being, there was surveillance going on. And if they considered him as a very dangerous person that means if they consider him a dangerous person they should take precautions in approaching him. I would. I wouldnt approach a wild animal or anything i thought was dangerous without being fully prepared. Especially if i wanted to capture and keep him alive. So i dont think that their intent was to capture him and keep him alive. What are we going to do . The boy is gone. We have to move on. We have to find out more and i think if the Boston Police department and the fbi do some more thorough investigation, they said they will call for transparency. Im looking for the transparency. I just want to know who orchestrated this incident. I mean i know that they can play for capturing. Wild animals, or anything. I think it was poorly constructed and i thought it was ill conceived. I thought it was reckless. I understand the family wants to see the video. Now being arraigned. Im hoping so and hoping we can bring some closure to the family. I asked that god overlook the shortcomings of the people who continue to exist that murder the young man. I know that they probably didnt want that. Thats what they intended in their hearts. But shoot at the Critical Mass and an open space with cars going by and a school bus actually in the video. Did you see the video . No. We havent seen it. Theres a school bus that actually goes around the turn. Just right along the time that they were firing on him. So i mean thats a very dangerous thing. If theyre concerned with Public Safety then Public Safety needs to be considered for all of us. I mean he hadnt killed anybody. You know . His tongue was wagging, as i understood. Saying things that are inappropriate. That doesnt warrant killing someone. [ [ inaudible question ] i think that would help bring closure to the matter. The film was not definitive. Its not clear as to what transpired. But it does show interaction between that was a press conference out of boston on the terror suspect, usaamah rahim. According to Law Enforcement officials, rahim was planning to kill and behead Police Officers. Lets now go back to politics. Hillary clinton is speaking in texas right now where hes expected to address Voting Rights. I believe we still have evan smith. Evan are you there live from us . In texas. I think when you hear the word texas and politics, you dont necessarily think Hillary Clinton. And i wonder if you can tell us how much of an appetite there is in the state of texas, the lone star state, for the kind of progressive politics that Hillary Clinton has been espousing lately on the campaign trail. Alex remember no democrat has been elected statewide in more than 20 years in texas. This is not a place where democrats have found much success running for president. But Hillary Clinton has roots that go back to the campaign which she coshared in texas back in 1972. She and her husband have friends in texas. She won the primary in texas in 2008. And i think that shell be popular here as far as it goes. As far as it goes. The reality is nobody expects this state to be a democratic stronghold or even competitive in the next election. So shell get a listen but thats pretty much it. Kristina i think its really interesting hillary is down there talking about Voting Rights. All americans, but especially americans of color. Shes talking about a path to citizenship for the undocumented here in america. Shes talking about criminal justice reform. All of these issues are really important for young people and voters of color. And this seems to be a huge part of her early strategy. Its clear shes trying to reach out to those communities. Texas has a huge latino population. Theres just nothing sadder than being a blue voter living in texas. Youre in austin and got nothing. So i think having her there will galvanize a certain population of folks. But i think its great shes talking about Voting Rights. We dont have a voting fraud problem, a voting parti