Good afternoon, im chris hayes in new york. Donald Trumps Press Conference today was meant to clear up the mounting questions about his donations to veterans and veterans groups. Youll remember in january during his fight with fox news, he canceled on a debate that network was hosting just days before the iowa caucus and instead held a much publicized fundraiser where he said he raked in 6 million for veterans groups. Now four months later hes frustrated with the media for checking up on those claims. I raised close to 6 million. It will probably be over that amount when its all said and done. But as of this moment, its 5. 6 million. I sent people checks of a lot of money and im going to give you the names right now, which is what you want. And instead of being, like thank you very much, mr. Trump, or, trump did a good job. Everyones saying, who got it, who got it, who got it and you make me look very bad. When i raise money for the veterans and its a massive amount of money, find out how much Hillary Clintons given to the veterans, nothing. Speaking of Hillary Clinton, she leads trump by just two points in our weekly poll. Shell join me in this hour live. Well talk about that and some other stuff. As well as donald Trumps Press Conference and the latest news in the ongoing email scandal. Lets start with the donald trump campaign. Katy tur has been covering it longer than just about anyone in the business and joins me now. Katy, that was really quite a it was quite an airing of grievances at the press conference today. Yeah, i dont think weve had a press conference thats been that contentious in quite some time with the donald trump campaign. He was angry from the getgo. Felt like it seemed like he felt like he was being forced to reveal who he was giving this money to, who he actually raised all this money for, saying that he wanted to keep it secret because he believes that donations are none of anybodys business. The reality is, though, as you mentioned earlier on, this was a fundraiser back in iowa that was heavily publicized and heavily touted by the campaign, and the reason why he didnt show up to the fox news debate that was moderated by megyn kelly back then. Theyve talked about it a lot on the campaign trail. Donald trump has raised 6 million for veterans, they get large cheers for this and the campaign pushed back and was quite angry with reporters when they tried to follow up on that, tried to get an accounting of where exactly that money goes to. Its a very simple question to the campaign, one that was positive. You said youve raised this money for the veterans foundations, who exactly is it going for . Seems like one of the easier questions for the campaign to answer, but it was not one that they enjoyed. Nbc news has learned that 27 of the 41 charities that he listed today have, at least those have gotten the money. At least 11 of those 27 have gotten money in just the past week alone. And donald trump himself confirmed that he gave just over a Million Dollars to the marine corps Law Enforcement foundation. That was done recently as well, after a number of reporters pressed him to reveal exactly where he was going to give that money that he pledged. He didnt like it one bit. Take a listen to how he answered reporters earlier today. I have to tell you, the press is so dishonest and so unfair. Ive given a lot of money and raised a lot of money for the vets, and i think when the press portrays it differently, the press is being very dishonest. So i dont like that. I dont like dishonesty. Is this what its going to be like covering you if youre president . Yeah, it is. Let me tell you something, yeah, okay, it is going to be like this, david. Heres the reality. Its about transparency. Donald trump has a business background, he doesnt have a record in politics, he doesnt have necessarily a record of following up his words and promises with actions and thats what is needed if hes going to be going to the white house. When weve asked him to release his tax returns to find out exactly where hes giving his money and how much money he happens to be paying to the government in taxes, hes refused to do so. So there isnt much transparency when it comes to the donald trump campaign. And it has seen that behind the scenes, he has a lot of yes men, and what he wants from the reporters on the campaign trail are yes men as well, people who accept what he has to say and go after his opponents instead of going after him, for the same sort of accountability that anybody whos running for major office should expect. Chris . All right, nbcs katy tur, thank you for that. Let me introduce todays panel. Susan del percio, Kathryn Rempel and joining us for the first time, glen thrush, from politico, who has a fantastic podcast that i recommend you check out. Great to have you. Two quick factual stipulations that are important. He said that he didnt want these to be public. He literally went around iowa and New Hampshire with Publishers Clearing House style novelty checks schumer style. Yes, exactly. So just keep that in mind, a, and b, just to be clear about the timeline here, back when he did the event, he said at the podium, he listed all the people who gave money. He said donald trump, another builder from new york, a Million Dollars. Which was, i gave a Million Dollars to the veterans organizations. It was wasnt until reporters started snooping around and said, we just want to know where you gave it. Tell us where you gave it, we just want to confirm, that he then, like a week ago called and gave the money. Its pretty clear, or let me just say, one could not unchairitably come to the conclusion he was not going to do that in the absence of reporters calling. His own spokesperson claimed the money had been given. Thats whats so crazy about this. On the record, in a televised interview. Multiple times, i believe. They claimed the money had been given, disbursed already. And he said youre not going to find out who it is, he said its not going to be public. Now its time for donald trump to wake up and find out what its like to run for president or elected office. The press holds you accountable for things. Other people will hold you accountable. You dont get to do everything you want on your timetable. People will ask you questions and they will stay on you until you answer them. He also reminds me of my uncle who sent me my bar mitzvah check last week. 15 months late, i sent a wedding gift. And i finally called about it after all these years. He gets nondisclosure agreements from practically everybody he touches. People hes been married to, people who have worked for him. Ive always wondered why somebody in the Democratic Party doesnt establish a big money super pac to fight legal battles for people who want to break through nondisclosure agreements have to say. But theyre all bound up in contracts. Right. And i think this is an underreported aspect of the campaign. Forget about the tax returns, which are a huge deal. We dont know what percentage of his income is being spent on charitable contributions. Thats really the litmus. I want to be fair here, because there are things that are terrible about the campaign press. Okay . I could spend an hour telling you press critiques, sometimes they come from bill clinton, sometimes they come from trump. There are certain things we chase that in the grand scheme of things arent that important. Heres the biggest problem, today he had a great story. Its never too late to do the right thing. He was giving away millions of dollars, and he stepped on his own story by attacking the press. By saying, you didnt say thank you. Right . To your point . Its intriguing to me, is this what its going to be like if youre president of the United States and he was like, yeah, this is what im going to be like. He hasnt changed. I thought maybe he would mellow with the no pivot. Thought he would mellow as the establishment came on board, but as to the nondisclosure agreement, were going to see the same donald trump. It wasnt just the i mean, he went after the press a lot and in the kinds of terms that make you wonder about what it would be like as president when he has to deal with the press. But also, he went after the judge in the civil suit at Trump University for the third time in three days. He went after the governor of new mexico, who he took this swipe at while he was a rising star in the Republican Party, latino woman with high favorables. Because she doesnt support him. He went after bill crystal. The whole thing was just an opportunity this was about veterans. The whole thing of him pursuing i think he cant help himself. Its like a reflex for him. He calls it punching back. And its a reflexive punch. If he feels attacked, he gets defensive and he cannot turn down an opportunity to insult someone who he believes is attacking him. And wasnt it he was talking about john mccain where he said, i dont like people who get captured. This is a man who [ all speak at once ] going back to the other party, i think it really does matter when you look at what hes doing as far as trying to diffuse other potential situations. Attacking the press, trying to discredit the press, trying to discredit this judge, because he knows stories are going to come out. And thats his m. O. I dont think its going to work, but thats what he tries to do. What ive heard from katy and from the trump press, for the First Six Months or so, the phenomenon of trump overwhelmed the journalists. Were starting to see a level of defiance and scrutiny in the trump traveling press and among others that we havent seen up to this point in time. So he keeps taking the rubber chicken and going after the reporters, abobut the reporterse less prone to cut him some slack. What i would like to see is realtime factchecking of trump. I think this is the first candidate in our lifetime that we need a kyron at the bottom of the screen with life factchecking we pioneered this form. Had something called trumpcheck live. During the time where he was doing speeches in our hour every night. We did this and prepped ahead of time. We have like the popup video. And other networks have done similar stuff like that. A, the realtime part of it can be hard, but i agree, that sort of knocking this stuff down becomes its own kind of undertaking. What to me is so key about this story, theres just one singular fact at the heart of this. He said he gave a Million Dollars to veterans groups. And he did not. And thats it. You can draw, you dear viewer, dear citizen, draw whatever conclusion you want about it. Thats just the way it shakes out. Donald trump doesnt get judged like any other politician. He gets judged by the public, thats why his be ins are stistil why his numbers are that is not a law of political physics. One of the things that needs to happen, this is the thing that drives me crazy, when i hear reporters talking about everyone getting desensitized that this guy is a factfree candidate. Thats baloney. He gets tagged with this, he has a core of people, we know where the electorate is. 40 of the voters are going to vote for him anyway. But if you keep hammering him away about the truth that hes saying and the falsehoods that he routinely peddels he barrels through. He lies again and again and he gets factchecked on them and he just repeats them. [ all speak at once ] so the question is, is the damage already done . Because hes the nominee . So theres not much you can put back into the bottle, because hes the republican nominee. Hes going to compete in the general election. Exactly right. In april, in the nbc news wall street journal poll in april 12 of voters believed donald trump had the right demeanor to be president. Take one part of this, this is someone who has a civil case before a federal judge. Okay . Now he doesnt like this case, and i understand, people dont like judges they get. Hes going after the judge day after day after day. Said the guy is mexican. He was born in indiana. Just think for a second, thats one thing when youre a private citizen. Its another when youre the nominee for president. Its another thing when you think about the president of the United States, if there were judicial decisions he didnt like from a specific judge, going around and essentially rhetorically slamming the judge, these are outside the norms of sort of some basic [ all speak at once ] he will continue to talk through all of this until the first debate when people start paying attention. Regular voters. We love to talk about it, weve been doing it for a year. But the fact is, people will focus on the details. The debates will happen. Those factchecks will matter much more then. But he is going to continue to have his way and barrel through because everyone else is buying into it. In terms of the data, hes not teflon. In the sense that hes the least liked candidate in modern history. Hes 8 to 10 points more disliked than Hillary Clinton, who is coming in right now number two, who has had 30 years of coverage of her. Its not like this just all bounces off into the ether. Going back to your point about calling out judges, theres a historical precedent for a candidate calling out judges. His name was george wallace. Thats right. Not just warren, frank johnson, who did the desegregati desegregation said he wanted to give him a barbed wire enema. And pil has behaved in a way that is in the context of the president of the United States, if it was in another country, we would call it essentially strong man. But he got support and trump is playing off the same playbook. But his maricopa countys electorate is no americas electorate. Agreed. But the man is the nominee of the Republican Party using similar language, similar style, similar bullying techniques. I think theres a part of the electorate that likes that. Absolutely. But going back to susans point, once you get to the debates, we reset a little bit and i think American Voters will i just think as a sort of broad abstract point, not particular to this candidate, the combination of someone who is really, really has a lot of petty grievances all the time and is inclined to pursue grudges with the most powerful office in the entire world, thats an intense combination. I think in his case a lot of voters see that as a selling point. He is the grievance candidate. He has a grievance oriented populace. That goes to the wallace line. Im speaking for myself, i find that as something to give me pause. Hillary clinton also had a list of people that she wanted to really hurt after the 2008 campaign and that resurfaced. By the way, that story is not really true. Thank you. That was a list the main person on that list was adrian el y elrod, probably the most liked staffer on the clinton campaign. But they have a history are being known for wanting to settle the score. But shes not a bully the way trump is. Of course not. If shes going after a federal judge theres a difference in terms of rewarding friends and punishing enemies, which every politician in the world does to a certain extent and grade on a scale. Then theres how you marshall Public Opinion to do the same. Still to come, speaking of Hillary Clinton, my oneonone interview with Hillary Clinton. But first is california a mustwin . Shes spending more time this week there ahead of next weeks primary. More on that after this. But with added touches you cant get everywhere else, like claim free rewards. Or safe driving bonus checks. Even a claim satisfaction guaranteeeeeeeeeee in means Protection Plus unique extras only from an expert allstate agent. Its good to be in, good hands. Jen stops working, but her aleve doesnt. Hey mom because aleve can last 4 hours longer than tylenol 8 hour. What will you do with your aleve hours . I am a First Responder tor and iemergencies 24 hours a day, everyday of the year. My children and my family are on my mind when im working all the time. My neighbors are here, my friends and family live here, so its important for me to respond as quickly as possible and get the power back on. Its an amazing feeling turning those lights back on. Be informed about outages in your area. Sign up for outage alerts at pge. Com outagealerts. Together, were building a better california. Bernie sanders about to take the stage for a rally in santa cruz, california, one of three events hes holding in california today. Both Democratic Candidates are pushing to win that state ahead of the primary on june 7th. Hillary clinton picked up a key endorsement when california governor jerry brown decided to back clinton. Ill talk to Hillary Clinton in just a few minutes. Steve patterson is with the Sanders Campaign and Kristen Welker is covering from brooklyn. Feels like sanders is getting quite a good reception by and large across the state of california thus far. Reporter you know, we heard that endorsement from jerry brown this morning for Hillary Clinton. And sanders responded the way we expected to, kind of lumping him in with the establishment. Putting him in the same category as Hillary Clinton, as the dnc, as the Democratic Party. His supporters, i gotta tell you, they eat this stuff up. They love when he is defiant. And he has been really since hes been here in the state of california. Another part of that is the strategy here, which seems to be really just to blanket the state with Bernie Sanders rallies. He plans to go to 200,000 with the amount of people that he wants to get eyes on at a sanders rally. So far theyre over the 100,000 threshold. They want to push that into the primary here in california. Weve been talking to some of those people. A lot of them boisterous, loud, and very young. A lot of them so young that this is the first time voting. So they dont really have a party affiliation, anything to latch onto. Theyre not here to see the party beat donald trump. Theyre here for Bernie Sanders. You know, we asked them. Sanders doesnt really have the math as far as the super delegates, the pledged delegates, the unpledged delegates, even really the popular vote and whats their thought about why theyre still here . They said, again, its the revolution, its the message, its someone with a new idea that we want to see carried through. So here in the state of california, its bernier bust. Chr bernie or bust. Sanders held a huge rally in oakland. I saw reports of tens of thousands there. Then goes with danny glover to the oracle arena, walks in at halftime, warriors down at that point, they have a huge thirdquarter comeback, i saw warriors fans making jokes about having Bernie Sanders attend every game of the nba finals. Reporter he got a huge response for that. Talk about comparing his campaign which many people now see as a hail mary to the warriors and what they did last night, people love that. They eat it up and bernie knows how to work it. Steve, thank you. Kristen welker is in brooklyn. You could write a whole book about the jerry brown endorsement today because of the history between jerry brown and bill clinton back in 92 when jerry brown played the role of Bernie Sanders to bill clinton as that played out over the primary. How big a deal do you think that was for that Campaign Today . Reporter right, well, there were contentious moments between jerry brown and bill clinton back during the 92 race, during the primary. We know how that ended up. But a very different story today. This is a significant endorsement for a couple of reasons. Jerry brown, very popular with democrats. A 77 approval rating. 56 statewide, and he sent his endorsement letter to democrats and also to independents. Thats critical. Independents can vote in the primary and theyre going to be the big question mark next tuesday in terms of who pulls out a win in that state. Let me read you a little bit of what jerry brown had to say. He said, the stakes couldnt be higher. Our country faces an existential threat from Climate Change and the spread of nuclear weapons. A new cold war is on the horizon. This is no time for democrats to keep fighting each other. The general election has already begun. Hillary clinton with her long experience, especially as secretary of state, has a firm grasp of the issues and will be prepared to lead our country on day one. The significant part of that, this is no time for democrats to be fighting each other. Increasingly you hear this message from democrats, particularly from secretary clintons surrogates. Theyre saying its time to unify and take on donald trump. Secretary clinton has canceled events in new jersey to head out to california to try to win that state, where polls are showing its going to be a tight race. Senator sanders has been defiant, hes not getting out of the race, fighting for every vote in california. There is, of course, a reality to this math, which is that secretary clinton has almost put this race out of reach. She could clinch with a win in new jersey, which would be before all of the votes in california are tallied, but californias significant because it has so many delegates. If she wins that state, she would really take away senator sanders last argument for staying in the race. And also it would allow her to head into the convention on very solid ground. So all of the focus here on clinching california. Chris . Thank you very much. Lets bring this to our panel. I just love the sub text history that jerry brown raised. The moment in the debate where bill clintons fingerwagging, you are not fit to stand at the same podium as my wife. Are you talking to me . You seem like a perfectly nice guy. [ laughter ] its sort of an amazing moment. Jerry brown was the sanders of that race. Jerry brown is a different guy now. Yes, he is. I was at an event with him probably six months ago and it was probably the most entertaining tutorial on politics. We talked about his skyhigh approval rating, and he said, i just had the good fortune to come in right after arnold and the economy tanked. So i rode it up, and he said, im going to be getting out just as the recession is going to hit. So he has this unbelievable vision at this point from having his brains bashed in a million times and had two essential political lives to really understand that luck and timing has a lot to do with everything. At a certain level when Bernie Sanders says jerry brown is part of the establishment, thats not wrong. Its not wrong, but the jerry brownbill clinton primary was the first time i voted, so i remember that clearly. And he was the Bernie Sanders of the day but what makes him establishment and not Bernie Sanders whos been in politics thats the point that i was making. And what i think is interesting for me, from my perspective in the Democratic Party, jerry brown really reshaped the california Democratic Party. Its a model party for the country and i think whats interesting is that you can have the mix of quote unquote establishment, i wouldnt call it that from the Bernie Sanders vocabulary, but also a Bernie Sanderstype of candidate to actually be involved in Democratic Politics, work within the party to reshape the party but to his point, we talked about independents being able to vote in the primary on next tuesday. The demographics of the state voting demographics have changed so much since Arnold Schwarzenegger even, in 2000, the last time he was elected, whereas you have democrats ticking up a couple points to the high 40s. You have republicans going from the mid to low 40s down to the mid 30ss and the independent number going to 34 . So thats a huge number. Its also interesting to see who they will go to, because a lot of those independents were former republicans most likely. And she won that state in 2008. Its a huge latino and African American population which favors her. So i think it looks good for her in california. Historically were going to look back at this and everybody hates when i say this, but this race effectively ended on march 15th. Mathematically . Math nematicallymathematical. What i want to know and no one has articulated. What is the end game here, what do they want . Were not just talking about convention . Does he want to be Vice President . 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Shes not her husband. Shes not Bernie Sanders. Go ahead. I actually think shes a good politician. When i think of vintage hillary, as you mentioned, theres a lot of good feelings that i have. I feel like she stood up for a lot of things, you know, back in the 90s that some i didnt agree with and some i did. But i think that up to this point, she has compromised so much and has back pedalled and just kind of you dont really know where she stands anymore. I think shes having a hard time about figuring out what the world wants and how to give it, and i frankly dont fault her for it. Shes been thrown through the mud for 25 years. I understand that she has a hard shell. And i think its gonna be hard for her to unravel that. Show me your vision for veterans affairs, about mass incarceration, and not in sound bites and vague terms, platitudes. The only word that comes to mind when i think of hillary is plastic. Its not natural, organic, rich with soil and vibrancy. Her beijing speech, you know, womens rights are human rights. She has a legacy of this. She doesnt want to defund planned parenthood, and she wants to fund them even more. Reproductive rights is something thats been very important to her and she has a legacy on that. So why do so many women your age, in their mid 20s, support Bernie Sanders, do you think . I think that hillary has to do a better job of connecting her struggle as a woman to the things that shes had to do. So i think she hasnt done a very good job at that, explaining how her role in politics and Public Service has been impacted by her gender. Back now to the panel. These have been fascinating. Chris and others have been doing these informal focus groups. What do you think . Two points. One ever tof the participants w getting on hillary for being a slogan ear and not articulating her policy proposals. I think this persons perception of the candidates is flipped. Bernie sanders is the slogan ear, you know, break up the banks, et cetera. Hillary clinton, if anything, has gotten maybe too in the weeds for the tastes of this electorate. The second point i would make is that this authenticity problem that Hillary Clinton has had for ages and is the case amongst all ages of voters, i think is especially problematic for young people, for the youths, in the age of instagram and hash tag, i woke up like this, young people are particularly sensitive to Image Management in a way that all voters are, but its particularly true of young voters. What i found interesting in that interview, vintage hillary, thats not a good thing. And Hillary Clintons legacy. Again, thinking of her in the past, they dont think of her as someone moving forward. Frankly thats been part of her issue the last couple of months. She hasnt been able to get behind any type of message, and the campaign is struggling to kind of define itself without going too far to the left, trying to still be mainstream. I do think theyve been able to articulate a message. Whats interesting what is it . I think a lot of what is being described as maybe skepticism among the folks in the focus group is actually an argument for why they might support her if they dont now. The fact that shes been around for a long time and been able to articulate her positions on issues, she has been an activist, but because of her public view, shes had to create this shell, but with that, shes been able to shes at the point that she is now, about to be the nominee of the Democratic Party. I think Hillary Clinton has a very clear message and always had a very clear message is that is competence. Nobody gives a damn about that message. So the issue is not that she doesnt have a message. Its that she doesnt have a popular message. She doesnt have a brand. Heres the message i would say, that they have been communicating and i think this gets to that. Its really, the message is, steady as she goes. Thats the message, steady as she goes. Look, things are headed in the right direction, they have been through this entire administration, we need someone at the helm who is steady and competent and is not going to invite, i dont know, disaster. But its hard to get people excited about that message. I agree. Shes got four million more votes than anybody else, so there are people excited about it. No, there are people supporting her. You dont see it in a Movement Like you saw Bernie Sanders starting a movement, donald trump starting a movement. For the good or bad, theyve started movements. I want to make this clear. There are people that are super enthused about Hillary Clinton. Heres what i think is true. It may not be the same as they are enthused about Bernie Sanders or donald trump, but do i think, when we say, steady as she goes isnt a message or people dont like that, what were also seeing is its uninteresting for us. There are people that do like that message. I think its very much against the tide of the electorate right now which is blow everything up, have a Political Revolution [ all speak at once ] if that is the case, the data point that people who theorize that have to contend with, barack obama has a 53 job approval rating. That is in significant tension with the idea that the elect ofrates mood right now is to blow everything up. Thats higher than it was in the past. The highest since 2009 except for reelection. Theyre doing cart wheels in the west wing over that. We have five months to go. We dont know how this election will be defined. This might be the election of the first woman president and regarded, by the time we get to the fall, as being a historical moment. We still have time for that momentum to take place. This is the fundamental question, and i dont think its wrong that the electorates mood is wanting to blow things up. I just think theres been a tendency to focus on the aspects of the electorate that is clearly sending that message, and less on the fact that as he said, shes got four million more votes than anyone. Thats the point i was making. Trump is now the nominee because of the attention on the movement, even if the movement is really scary to me. But there was all this attention on that very specific movement as opposed to, is he actually telling the truth . Coming up, Jacob Soboroff will take us into the delegate math for Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. Stay with us. Dad, you can just drop me off right here. Oh no, ill take you up to the front of the school. Thats where your friends are. Seriously, its, its really fine. You dont want to be seen with your dad . No, its. No. This about a boy . Dad stop, please. 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One week before tuesdays california primary, Bernie Sanders continues to say Hillary Clinton will not have enough pledged delegates to declare the nomination hers before the Democratic Convention in philly. Jacob soboroff is in los angeles with a look at the delegate map and whether sanders can indeed find a path to denying clinton a pledged delegate victory. What have you found . Indeed he can, but it will be a tight victory if he is able to pull it off. You cant really frankly have a conversation about whether or not Bernie Sanders can win without asking the question, what are super delegates. Bernie sanders answer to that question today would be something i dont want you to focus all that much on. And the reason is, they make up a huge chunk, a 500delegate portion of the 770 delegate lead that Hillary Clinton currently holds over Bernie Sanders. How is this going to play in california and across the country on june 7th . I did a little digging and this is what i found. Youve been hearing for a while now that things arent looking good for Bernie Sanders to win the democratic nomination for president. You think hes still got a chance . No, i dont. So what gives . Why on the eve of one of the last president ial nominating contest system the race still going if its out of reach . Well, technically its not. Sanders is behind in the total delegate count, but theres still a chance. June 7th, california, montana, new mexico, new jersey, and north dakota democrats vote. The biggest prize, california, not only has more delegates on the line than any other state, theres a huge crop of unpledged delegates, known as super delegates, for their super human ability to help a democratic candidate become a democratic nominee with their superpower votes. What about if he gets the super delegates . I probably dont understand the process well enough, about you my daughter tells me hes probably done. Do you think hes done . I do not understand it. Oh, different daughter . Yeah. Bernie sanders is going up against Hillary Clinton on the democratic side. You think hes still got a chance . Hopefully not. Hopefully not . So hes a trump guy. Last question. Do you know what a super delegate is . Yeah, its on the democratic side, governors and they can vote whatever way they want. Its a weird process. It is weird. That was totally the correct answer. Yeah, it makes no sense. A super delegate is a delegate to gets to vote for whoever they want, regardless of the popular vote. There are 714 of them this year, mostly currently and former party leaders, including Bernie Sanders and bill clinton, and their votes count way more than yours or mine. Heres why. They make up 15 of the 4,765 total delegates. A candidate needs half of those to win. You get there using pledged delegates determined by the popular vote, and these super delegates who really can tip the scales if its close. So if super delegates decide to come over to sanders side and chances are that isnt going to happen because of clintons pledged delegate lead and he scores a victory in california and other states, he still has a chance. Why does this color not just have a popular vote and be done with it . So you dont like super delegates . I dont like super delegates and i dont like these primaries. The only thing you see on television is trump and sanders and clinton, and its just terrible. Partially my fault . Yeah. That gentleman doesnt like super delegates, but right now, Hillary Clinton does, and if you factor that in, all she needs is 71 to cross over the finish line to clinch the democratic nomination. She could do that in new jersey early in the evening, thats why the bernie Sanders Campaign is saying, do not look at the super delegates, focus on the pledged delegates, because we can go all the way to the convention perhaps in that case, because the super delegates vote at the convention in july. Jacob, thank you very much. Ill be back with more in just a moment. Ive made plans for later in case this date doesnt go well. Likewise but, funny story. On top of that . My mom is my best friend. Uh oh. Yeah. Oop theres the rescue text from my roommate saying she needs me. Wouldnt it be great if everyone said what they meant . The citi double cash card does. It lets you earn double cash back the citi double cash card. This clean was like pow. Everything well . It felt like i had just gone to the dentist. My teeth are glowing. They are so white. 6x cleaning , 6x whiteninga in the certain spots that i get very sensitive. I really notice a difference. 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All right, so that explainer from jacob on the state of the race on the democratic side, Sanders Campaign in a somewhat awkward position of trying to explain that the majority of pledged delegates does not give someone in a technical sense the nomination, which is technically true, but its a tough one to pull off. Right, its basically saying this undemocratic system that you have said is rigged against you by the Democratic Party hacks is what you need in order to beat Hillary Clinton. So its the paradox of attempting to try to coopt a system that youve done nothing but trash. And he is a super delegate. Bernie sanders himself . Yes, im wondering in the past did he not vote for anybody, is he voting for himself in this election . He probably is. He carried vermont by 80 points. But hes astute at Democratic Politics and super delegates. If i remember 2008, they flipped from hillary to barack obama. Right. And that was a major turning point in the campaign. So they do have the ability to change but they were sort of working to ratify the results of the pledged delegates. The key here is, they exist in this sort of abstract sense as a check on raw democracy of the primary electorate. But in a functional sense, they dont overturn popular votes. But at the end of the day, this is a tool that Bernie Sanders is using to keep people supporting him, to keep enthusiasm for his campaign, to keep it going for the convention, to keep poking Hillary Clinton, whether its whos going to be on the rules committee, or what have you come july. He needs to really start figuring out what he wants because he can string along people with this argument for a while, but come july, he needs to say, all right, folks, we need to get behind this. Right. And the big question to me is, what happens after the 14th . We just saw a poll that had her up by 13 points in the stanford poll in california, real clear politics has her about up eight. Who knows if he can outperform that. Its possible that you could have a day that he wins california and she clinches the nomination. Which mathematically wont make a difference. If she loses california, it wont make a difference mathematically, but symbolically, it will matter because well be talking about it on tv, but also if you want to turn the bernie supporters to her, it hurts the argument for that. Because then they can say the popular will of the people is that bernie has been gathering steam, why should we toss our support to hillary . He has leverage by the money hes raised, the votes in the states that hes gotten. Hes got that. But as this goes on, his leverage decreases by the day, particularly if Elizabeth Warren starts playing on this field. Or the president of the United States. Either of those would be huge. I think the date to keep in mind is the 14th. The 14th is the actual last contest, which is the district of columbias primary. After that, theres nothing left. Thats the final day that anyone will be casting a vote in a democratic primary contest. That to me is the date where its going to become clear within, i think, 24 hours, 48 hours of that, if all this talk about taking the convention is essentially a way of maintaining enthusiasm throughout that date and then they say no, or theyre serious about it. Because what are they going to do during that time . Great point. Because theres a certain kind of fuel that is flowing into the engine of a campaign when you have contests. When you dont have contests, its hard to keep the fuel flowing. Thats the key. Because bernie is going to have to pivot in his language and not go after the process as much, not go after her as much, and theyre going to have to find a way to bring all of his supporters to her, leading into the convention and beyond that. Doesnt seem like thats a priority for him at this point. Certainly not right now. Its an emotional process. I watched this in 2008, it took her a while to reckon with the fact remember, she had a head fake in new york, i forgot which primary she won, where we had expected her, we were arrayed here, expecting her to quit and it took her another week to quit. Shes got to come to his realization, bernie does, that all the success hes had, doesnt really amount to the nomination. Whats going on right now, you have a lot of clinton who are afraid of pushing him over the edge. You cannot particularly from the candidate and from directly her sort of inner circle, press people will tweet negative things sometimes. The night of the new york, i had a blind quote which i thought was not that big a deal and the Sanders Campaign raised a million bucks off that blind campaign. So theres a real sensitivity to her pushing him out of the race. We dont do that. We dont do that. He has a right to run. All right, so a slight change of plans. We were running a countdown clock to talk to Hillary Clinton, which as you see, has not happened, shes been running late. So that does it for this hour, im chris hayes. Ill be back in three hours with all in at 8 00 p. M. , where well show you that interview with Hillary Clinton. First, the libertarians running mates gary johnson and bill weld are up next. Mtp daily starts next. If its tuesday, just how never trump are you . Meet the ticket of exrepublican governors who think they are the answer. Tonight the libertarian ticket joins for their first joint interview. Johnson and weld. This is shis mtp daily and it starts right now
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