Agrees with the mayor. They think racial profiling and discrimination is the best way to fight crime. Everybody remarks about the amazing change in new york city over the past 15 years. Well, couldnt this possibly be one of the reasons . I mean, if you are just looking at cause and effect. Its working. Thats why crime is down. In cities that use stop and frisk like new york, the murder rate is much lower. Chicago and philly dont have stop and frisk. Chicago has a murder rate of four times new yorks murder rate. And philly has it at about triple. You wish tie department phillys tactics over new york city, youre accomplice to mass murder. The murder rate in new york city will skyrocket. Stop and frisk, lowered murder rates in new york city . Its a great theory for the right. Too bad the facts dont back it up. New yorks murder rate began dropping well before stop and frisk was kicked into high gear. Murders were down 74 from 1990 to 2002. But after the surge in stop and frisk, the trend slowed down. The murder rate decreased by just 12 . Racial profiling did not make new york a safer city. This kind of approach doesnt work. And the rest of the country knows it. This week attorney general eric holder announced the end of severe mandatory sentences for nonviolent drug offenders and said its time to move in a new direction. We cannot simply prosecute or incarcerate our way to becoming a safer nation. We must never stop being tough on crime. But we must also be smart and efficient when battling crime. And the Worlds Largest group of correction officers agreed, calling for the elimination of mandatory minimum sentences. The facts are clear. The time is right. America is ready to get smart on crime. Joining me now is new york congressman Hakeem Jeffries, representing the boroughs of brooklyn and queens. He is on a Congressional Task force, looking at overcriminalization in america. And barbara arnwine, president of the Lawyers Committee for civil rights. Thank you both for joining me. Thank you, rev. Thank you. Congressman, let me go to you first. What is your reaction to the news that new york officials will begin appealing this stop and frisk ruling tomorrow . The stubborn resistance to the fact that stop and Frisk Program is unnecessary, unconscionable, and now has been declared unconstitutional is really unfortunate. The numbers, reverend sharpton, as you have consistently pointed out speak for themselves. Stop and frisk have nothing to do with the dramatic decline in crime that actually began to take place 20 years ago during the last two years of the dinkins administration. Thats correct. Where 1207 and frisk wasnt utilized but a dramatic infusion of the number of Police Officers that were displayed and put on the streets, particularly in high crime areas. The stop and Frisk Program doesnt target criminals, it targets innocent, lawabiding individuals. And nypds own numbers illustrate that fact. 88 of the people who were stopped, questioned and frisked did nothing wrong. No gun, no drug, no contraband. The only thing they have been guilty of is being in the wrong neighborhood and the wrong color of skin. Thats unfortunate. Fitting the profile. You know attorney arnwine, stop and frisk doesnt even stop crime. Take a look at this. Only 0. 12 of stops resulted in gun seizures, as the congressman alluded to. Does this really justify violating Constitutional Rights of hundreds of thousands of people . Well, i think its just further evidence of what the judge found about this deliberate indifference to the violations and deprivations of Constitutional Rights of american citizens based on nothing but, you know, race. What is so bad about this policy is that not only did it result in millions of africanamericans and latinos being unjustly stopped, but those who were really committing the crimes, in fact the majority of whites who were stopped actually contributed to more possessions of weapons, more possessions of contraband. So they were going after the wrong people. And the percentages show that. The percentages show that. You know, congressman, and let me be clear. We all im sure fight crime and want to see crime down. You know, i have worked with this Police Commissioner and the ones before him with all kinds of programs. But when you hear things like new york officer polanco, he testified at the trial, blowing the whistle on stop and frisk, saying it was all about filling a quota. Listen to this. We stopping kids walking from school. We stop kids walking upstairs to their house. We were stopping kids from going to the store. Kids. Young adults. In order to keep your activity. In order to keep that quota. I mean, were being played with just to reach a quota. This is not really about getting criminals that to me is insulting. Its insulting. And in fact the reality is in a democracy there has to be a balance, rev, between effective Law Enforcement on the one hand, and a healthy respect for civil rights and Civil Liberties on the other. And stop and frisk have crossed that line. Mayor bloomberg and Police Commissioner kelly have obliterated that balance. And the big problem is that it poisons the relationship between the police and the community. Right. So i would argue, as many others have is that the way that stop and frisk have been abused has contributed to the inability of the police to get the level of cooperation that they need in high crime areas. Because of the dramatic suspicion with which individuals are treated, it creates a poisoned relationship between the police and the community and ultimately undermines public safety. Which is not good for any of us in the city or any other city. Let me go to another subject. Attorney arnwine, the Racial Disparity in sentencing is pretty astounding, really. Take a look at this. Prison sentences for similar crimes were nearly 20 longer for black men than white men. I mean, no one has worked at this harder than you. What can you say about this . And how do people say that justice is colorblind hen these kind of facts stare us in the face. And thats why attorney general holders announcement this week is so key. It is so important that everything be done by Law Enforcement to reduce racial profiling in Law Enforcement and to make sure that were not arresting people, were not charging people, were not incarcerating people and prosecuting and incarcerating people overly just based on racial stereotypes. It is so, so important that we get this can rouse effect of race out of our Law Enforcement. Congressman, youre working in in a task force in congress on this. Since 1980, the u. S. Population has grown by about 40 . But the prisoner population has skyrocketed 790 . Its a problem that increasingly folks on the left and the right are recognizing in congress. And thats why weve got a Bipartisan Task force on over criminalization. We have 5 of the worlds population, reverend sharpton, and 20 of the worlds population. Wow. This is creating a situation where weve got massive loss of human capital, massive loss of economic productivity, and thats why im hopeful that down in the congress when we get back from the august recess, we can really begin to tackle this problem, and that there will be significant support for the steps that attorney general holder has taken. Congressman Hakeem Jeffries and barbara arnwine, thank you both for your time tonight. Thank you, reverend. Thank you. Coming up, the senator who is trying to suppress the facts about suppressing the vote. Ron paul says there is no evidence of discrimination at the polls. Ill show him the proof tonight. Plus 24 hours later, and were still waiting for a republican leader to denounce a sitting congressman who invited this disgraceful rodeo clown in a president obama mask to perform. And a remarkable true story of a man with the front row seat to our nations civil rights history. The butler who served eight president s hits the big screen. The butler director lee daniels joins us tonight. You dont want to miss it. Got a question or comment . Email me. Friend or foe, i want to know. Reply al is ahead. Have you joined the politicsnation conversation on facebook yet . We hope you will. Today people had a lot to say about ron paul claiming there is no objective evidence of Racial Discrimination in elections. Janice says give me a break. We need a little truth serum injected here. Garfield says im sure that senator rand paul has never been denied the right to vote. Park says objective . He keeps using that word. I dont think he means what he thinks it means. 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Yesterday alone, more than 630 people were killed and some 3700 were injured in violence when the military crackdown on supporters of former president morsi. Today president obama said neither side is without blame. While Mohamed Morsi was elected president in a democratic election, his government was not inclusive and did not respect the views of all egyptians. The United States strongly condemns the steps that have been taken by egypts interim government and security forces. We deplore violence against civilians. While we want to sustain our relationship with egypt, our traditional cooperation cannot continue as usual when civilians are being killed in the streets and rights are being rolled back. The president canceled a major joint military exercise planned for next month. And he appeared to leave open the option of suspending all foreign aid to egypt. Joining me now is former democratic congressman patrick murphy, the first iraq war vet to serve in congress. Thanks for joining me, congressman. Thanks, rev. What is your assessment of the president s response so far to this crisis in egypt . Well, rev, the fact that the president condemned the violence there, and he could have just been silent, not said anything, but he came out and said we cannot condemn this. What is going on in the streets of egypt and cairo specifically is disgraceful, it is heartbreaking. You have over 600 egyptians already killed. And thats at least. So what the president is saying were condemning this violence, but also we are not going to continue the regular traditional cooperation we had. We are ending, stopping that military joint operation that we had planned to do with the Egyptian Military. And its going to not happen. Now. What options does the president actually have on the table . Well, reverend, what the president can do is he can say were going to stop this cooperation, make sure that they stop the violence in the streets, make sure they actually have democratic elections, which they promise to do which they have not done yet. And thats what needs to happen. But the president is really trying to be thoughtful and deliberate here. But now you have politics entering the equation. You have basically the republicans in the u. S. Senate. You have john mccain on one side who criticized the president earlier and basically he said we should be being more forceful in egypt. And you have rand paul who is basically saying we should cut all aid to egypt. Frankly, rand paul wants to cut all aid to every country. Yeah. Even though its 1 of the american budget. But he wants to cut it all, including to israel, by the way, which is the neighboring state of egypt. So youre seeing that balance and that tension in the senate. But, reverend, what youre seeing is president obama as he has had, as he has done when it came to iraq, as it came to afghanistan, as it came to libya in the past, the president ing into thoughtful and deliberate because he is playing chess when some of these other cats are playing checkers. There are some of the right that are using this as an opening to attack the president. Before the president came out today, listen to what glenn beck said. Where is our president . Our president is out playing golf. Why . Why is he out playing golf yesterday . Isnt this kind of an important thing . Why has the president not made a statement and come out where . He is playing golf. Why . Because he is a coward. I guess politics doesnt stop at the waters edge. Well, youre absolutely right. You know, did glenn beck ever pick up rifle . To call president obama a coward after he has decimated al qaeda, after he has taken the fight and brought him justice after ten years, again, rev, youre absolutely right. Politics should stop at the waters edge. But, you know, you have rand paul using this as another example about two hours ago criticizing the president on the funding that happened, you know, that we gave to egypt which weve already done that military aid. Stopping it right now wont turn back the clock. They have gotten that aid. And that has been happening for decades now. Weve given the Egyptian Military over a thousand a1 tanks. Weve given them 221 fighter jets. So we have been they have been an ally, but what is going on right now cannot continue. And thats why the president was very forceful saying were not going to do this to an operation. And really doing what is necessary to stop the violence and make sure that were promoting democracy there in egypt and elsewhere. All right. 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Saying, quote, i dont think there is objective evidence that were precluding africanamericans from voting any longer. No evidence of voter suppression. Really . What about the studies showing that blacks and hispanics had to wait longer to vote than whites, an average of 20 minutes online in 2012, compared to just over 12 minutes for whites. Looks like inequality at the polls to me. And what about this study . Showing that young black and hispanic voters were far more likely to be asked to show an id than whites of the same age. This is what objective evidence looks like, senator paul. But maybe we shouldnt be surprised that rand paul is so wrong about this, given the stuff he has said in the past. Ive never wavered in my support for civil rights or the Civil Rights Act. Ive never been against the Civil Rights Act, ever. He has never been against the Civil Rights Act. Never . What about the time already asked him directly if he would have voted for the Civil Rights Act back in 1964. 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