Disproportionate black death. Yet again we were reminded this week that even as covid19 has been cast as an equalizer, supposedly a disease that does not discriminate in who it harms, the data bears out that black americans have born the brunt of this pandemic in both health and wealth. But also outside of these metrics, theres the politics of the pandemic. Weve seen disturbing images emerge, like armed white protesters storming statehouses and screaming on sent ibscenitiw enforcement officers, all because they want their states reopened. In many cases, these reopenings, which are happening in states at this very moment endanger many black and brown people, many of whom have been on the less forgiving end of the Police Response to these shutdowns. Just like it took 74 days 74 days from the moment an unarmed black man, was shot and killed, aacco according to his family, while jogging in georgia. According to the police, the report said this they believed he was a burglar that they had seen before and they shot him in selfdefense after a tussle. Data row least this week from march 16th through may 5th shows the department issued 374 summons for social distancing violations in the five burrows. 81 of the citations were given to black or hispanic new yorkers. And this is in a city that has more whites than any other race. And so today we ask will social distancing enforcement become the new stop and frisk . Joining me now is democratic congressman Hakeem Jeffries of brooklyn, new york. He is the chairman of the House Democratic caucus and member of the esteemed congressional black caucus. Congressman, you and i both fought stop and frisk given the bias and the race involved. This morning i came out and joined a lot of others that have raised the data that ive just shown that were looking at the reactions of the police to overwhelmingly target it seems blacks during this pandemic. I talked to the police commisher who says he promises to work with the public advocate and get on it but the data speaks for itself. This is outrageous to me. Youre absolutely correct, rev. The data speaks for itself. Its unacceptable, unconscionable, unamerican in a country that prides itself on equal protection under the law that we would have a situation where over 80 of the summonses issued with respect to social distances are with the in brooklyn, 45 black and brown people alone. Many people saw the images of sun bathers, largely not black or brown violating the social distancing protocols. And instead of being summonsed, instead of being chastised, they were being handed masks. So this is an extraordinary level of differential enforcement that were seeing. There should be one standard. Thats not happening right now. While we are also seeing the data show blacks and latinos are the ones found more positive than others and are the ones that are dying more than others with the pandemic, now you put salt in the wound. In the middle of this we have the came in brunswick, georgia where the jogger was killed where they thought he was someone they saw breaking into homes. Last week i had his mother on the show and his lawyer. This is even before we had the videos because the story just did not sound right to a lot of us in the civil rights community. So theres been a will the of local activists and local chapters of the naacp and all that have been on this for a while. Last night we had a National Virtual rally where his father was on along with the lawyers and one of your Congressional Colleagues said maybe there needs to be a congressional inquiry in why it took two years im sorry, two months to get to an arrest. Its probable cause, youre one of the best lawyers ive known. Its probable cause. You have an unarmed dead man, you have two people, one with a magnum, another with a rifle standing over him and they have a story. The probable cause is to make the arrest and they had this tape that went public this week. Somebody had to have this tape for the last two months. There should be an inquiry as to what is going on in brunswick, georgia. Thats absolutely correct. I certainly appreciate your continued advocacy, rev, and youve been on the front line dealing in which the communities of color have been adversely impacted in an unjust criminal system for decades. Even in the midst of a pandemic you can have a situation where a young africanamerican man who is jogging, ahmaud, is gunned down in cold blood and nothing happens. As a result of the fact that this tab was was subsequently release, a tape theyve probably seen, its put it in the leet. A Public Inquiry is justified so we can explore how we can be better in america. There are discussions going on in congress about budget cuts. Youve complained that every time they talk about cutting the budget, it seems they want to cut the budget from those programs and those citizens and the safety net that need it the most. Were thankful for the leadership with explosion pelosi and the democratic caucus, were not going to bear the brunt on the Public Health side and one way to prevent that is to provide the resources to our states, towns, cities and our localities which employ our first responders, our teachers, our doctors, our nurses, our firefighters, our ems workers and our transit employees who have been compelled to sacrifice while everyone else is being asked appropriately to socially distance themselves. We cannot abandon them, House Democrats will not abandon them and were going to make sure that the federal government does the right thing. New york representative Hakeem Jeffries, thank you for being with us. Joining me is gary peters, the Ranking Member of the Senate Homeland security committee. Senator, thank you for being with us. Great to you with you, reverend sharpton. In your state weve seen some real unrest. Weve seen people go to the state capital in lancing, and literally go into the capitol on the grounds, go into the halls of the capitol armed and some with swastikas and some with confederate flags, in 2020. Were not talking about 1920. How as a u. S. Senator to that state do you respond to this in the middle of a pandemic . If people say i want to go back to open the stores and that kind of thing but to do it armed and using swastikas and confederate flags. Theres no question those images are incredibly disturbing. And we saw the pictures of armed folks up in the gallery of the state legislature looking down at legislators. Thats simply unacceptable. Ill just say that that doesnt speak to who we are here in michigan. Its a relatively small group. We need to call it out and say that that type of behavior is certainly unacceptable. But for the most part, that is something very different than the average michigander. We all would like to get back to a new normal. We all are anxious to reopen businesses, but we also understand you have to do it safely. We have to make sure were protecting workers that work at those businesses and customers who patronize the businesses. And opening isnt enough if the public doesnt feel theyre securely and can be as safe as possible doing a pandemic. Thats who we are, not some of those very disturbing images we seen on tv. We were all appalled by that. Are you disturbed that the president said the governor out to sit with some of the people protesting and work something out and not denounce these swastikas and these confederate flags . Well, you can have a discussion, but you certainly cant allow those kinds of demonstrations with swastikas and confederate flags. Thats simply unacceptable. Certainly the governor has reached out to groups, she continues to do that, but shes weighing the advice of epidemiologists and experts to make sure we can open the economy in a safe way, a way that protects lives but also understands that we have to balance an economy and get an economy moving. The governor has never shied away from talking to folks. She always reaches out. But to show up and to wave a swastika is simply unacceptable and we all have to condemn that type of show of hatred and division. One of the things youve raised that this pandemic has exposed is the need to deal with health care enrollment. Explain your concern and explain what is at risk if the senate makes certain moves in terms of trying to roll back some of the Health Insurance enrollment. Well, you would think that folks would fully appreciate the need for everybody to have access to Quality Affordable Health Care at a time were in the middle of a pandemic that is taking tens of thousands of lives all across our country. Under the faffordable care act, which provides that coverage, there is an open enrollment once a year but i am advocating we have open enrollment now but the Trump Administration has said no. If people come down with covid19 and we know the disproportionate impact on communities of color, we still need to have more people sign up to have access to that health care and now is the time to do that, to make sure that were helping people in a time of need that if they have to go to the hospital, they know that those costs are going to be covered. They should not have to worry about the hospital bill. They should be focused on getting healthy and getting through the covid19 pandemic. Michigan senator gary peters, thank you for being with us. Joining me is Michelle Goldberg and susan del percio. Were looking at unemployment has risen just in a short period of time from 4. 4 to 14. 7. Were at 14. 7 . Were escalating weve not seen anything like this since the depression. And the president says he is not at fault. How do you respond to that . Well, look, obviously the president is not totally at fault for the pandemic, but you dont see unemployment on this scale in a lot of countries in europe where the governments have taken measures to continue paying people, basically making sure that people stay in their jobs and are being paid through your jobs on a kind of furlough until its safe to go back to work. Theres a lot of things you can say about the president s response, the reason why the United States is, you know, far and away right now the country with the most deaths from this pandemic. Theres been a kind of total collapse in the Public Health response in washington which is why it continues to spread and why alone among most countries in the world we have states that are opening up even as their numbers of covid infections go up instead of down. And the other piece is youre seeing this unwillingness to deal with the economic pain that the incompetent response has exacerbated. So after years of complete disregard for budget deficits when the subject was tax cuts for the richest americans, you suddenly see now the growing anxiety about all of this deficit spending and all of this, you know, kind of growing renewed concern with the national debt, a sense that Unemployment Benefits are too generous and might keep people from going back to work, as if there were plentiful jobs for people, even if they were safe enough and willing to go back to work. So were just seeing a perfect storm of president ial incompetence and kind of conservative economic dogma at a time when the country despera desperately needs stimulus. The president was informed in january the dangers of the pandemic. He basically poopooed it. If he had responded, do you think wed be facing the same issues . We know how the president responded to a Health Crisis. The reason he waited until early march is because thats when the stock market tanked. Thats when he saw the Economic Impact that this virus could have, and thats what caused him into action. Both the Health Care Crisis and the economic crisis, though, President Trump tries to treat them as a political problem. Now, if he treated the pric unemployment numbers that way, how is he going to handle an economic crisis . Im a republican and actually a real republican id like to say and i believed in economic restraint. The last thing this administration has done is shown any of that. And now they want to use a couple of buzz words just for political purposes. Michelle, weve seen this week that the Justice Department has now said that they want to drop the charges against michael flynn, and the president has come out and the president who said he lied to Vice President pence said he was targeted, set up and he did not rule out rehiring him. Weve also seen overnight former president obama having said that this threatens the very nature of law when you have someone that pled guilty, flynn pled guilty twices are we, went in c pled guilty and he can withdraw him saying i lied to the fbi, throw the case out. Your response in. We saw a while the Justice Department getting involved really improperly in the sentencing of roger stone and trying to recommend after the prosecutors in the case recommended one sentence, you saw interference from the top levels of the Justice Department. Now with the country, for obvious reasons, focused on other things, in a way barr is even more shameless and even more willing to basically try to cut the legs out of the Mueller Investigation and really delegitimize it. I sort of see this as a back door pardon, right . Instead of kind of putting the president in a position where he was going to issue this pardon and make a lot of headlines, theyre just trying to make these cases go away. And with michael flynn, part of the way that theyre making it go away is to say that the predicate for the investigation wasnt there, right, that the investigation itself was somehow installed. And that has been the purpose of all of this kind of investigating the investigators that barr has been doing since he took this job. And so just as were seeing our economy unravel, our Public Health unravel, were seeing the further unraveling of the rule of law in this country. I mean, this is just the worst Case Scenario for what the Trump Administration was going to be like. I mean, i think a lot of us were terrified the day that donald trump was elected. I dont think any of us, no matter how hysterical we were could have imagined that it would reach this point. The rule of law, susan, when we look at what former president obama said michelle has also repeated it. I mean, what are we saying now that are we now saying that you can plead guilty and then later say, no, even though i told you that i did it, i didnt do it because somebody else now is the prosecutor and i can rearrange what i did. What happens to the standard of law . Well, its basically deteriorated under donald trump. Hes put an attorney general in that will bend to his will. Our democracy, our judicial system, it may not have crumbled but its certainly showing a lot of cracks, rev. Michelle goldberg and susan del percio, thank you both for being with me. After two months calling for justice, the two men suspected of the killing of Ahmaud Arbery you now behind bars. There are now at least 1. 3 million confirmed cases of coronavirus in the u. S. Right now. 79,000 deaths and more. Rhode island and nevada lifted stayathome orders but implemented new restrictions. California governor gavin newsom signed an executive order allowing all voters in the state to receive a mailin ballot for novembers election. Newsom says walkin voting will still be available. And many of you are seeing, well, a rare may snowstorm. Look at michigan. Snow is blanketing much of the count country. Thats more than 75 million seeing snow right now. Forecasters predict the snow could ling aer through the weekend. D. Come on, no no nnnnono only discover has no annual fee on any card. Ive always been faand still going for my best, even though i live with a higher risk of stroke due to afib not caused by a heart valve problem. 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Arbery who were murdered after being killed by his aggressors and in that he was shot dead by literally waitiwai running for his life. But the presiding District Attorney has filed murder and aggravated assault murders against Gregory Mcmichael and his son travis. And a neighbor filmed this. The impact led a third District Attorney to provide over the case to first recommend a grand jury hearing and invoke the state board. The images of his mother mourning him cut into this narrow news cycle. So now after two and a half months, an arrest. Last night we had a National Virtual rally on the birthday of this young man who would have been 26. His father joined me and his lawyers talking to well over 100,000 people that tuned in and we talked about a congressional hearing because there is a distrust on the local authorities. Why distrust, reverend al . Well, how did this tape that emerge this week, who knew about this team before this week . Who saw it and who could see that tape and not feel that there was probable cause for an arrest . An arrest does not mean even an indictment and it certainly doesnt mean a conviction. But probable cause you dont see on that tape . Thats why some of us are saying can the local authorities deal with this until we find out who knew what, when did they know it and why did they operate the way they did . Joining me is nicole hanna jones, a correspondent focusing on Racial Injustice for the New York Times magazine, as well as a Pulitzer Prize winner as of this week. Congratulations for your work on the 1619 project. Let me show you something before we go to you. Again, congratulations, nicole. Thank you. I want to show you the politics of this. This week President Trump was asked about the shooting in the video when he was on fox news yesterday. Here whats he had to say. Its in the hands of the governor, and im sure hell do the right thing. You know, it could be something that we didnt see on tape. If you saw things went off tape and then back on tape. But it was a troubling i mean, to anybody that watched it, certainly it was a disturbing or troubling video. Now, he said we dont know everything, we didnt see everything on tape but it was disturbing, troubling. Joe biden, the Presumptive Democratic nominee tweeted, quote, the video is clear. Ahmaud arbery was killed in cold blood. My heart goes out to his family who deserve justice and deserve it now. Its time now for swift, full, and transparent. Nicole, you did project 1619, won a pulitzer for it. We are now looking at 2020, 401 years after slaves were brought here and were still dealing with race and were still dealing with different perspectives on how we respond to racial issues. Yeah. I mean, this is very typical that white americans have a presumption of innocence, even if we see the act caught on tape and black americans have a presumption of guilt, even if theyre going about their daily lives. When i think about the 1619 project, it really tries to connect the ongoing legacy of slavery to say that we are not past the legacy of slavery. You think about the slave patrols, country basically deputized any white person had the right to stop, question and if need be subdue any black person going about their daily business. We see this daily when black people have Police Called on them for trying to get a cup of coffee, when theyre shot down in a park. This presumption of guilt and that white americans feel they could track mr. Arbery down, that they have a right to stop him, question him and i guess make a citizens arrest and that we would look at that and say, well, were not really sure what happened here. What we know is had this been in the inverse, had the people in that truck and filming in the car following behind, had they tracked and followed a white man who was simply going out for a jog, confronted him and killed him, it wouldnt have taken two months and a videotape for them to be arrested. They would not have walked away from that scene free on their own. Now, when we look at that also at the same time were in the middle of covid19 where were seeing by all available data that blacks are disproportionately testing positive, disproportionately dying and now disproportionately the ones cited or arrested if they dont have face masks on and yet you still have people, and im sure youve received it during project 1619 and ive received it for decades at a civil rights activist, why do you all keep talking about race . I keep telling people when i was born, they handed me a race deck. Any card i pull ive got to talk about race because that is the reality if youre born of a certain race in this country. Yeah. I mean, we have a country that simultaneously is obsessed with race. When you were born, you also were issued a birth certificate, and one of the first things that is listed on your birth certificate is your race. Every government document that you fill out lists your race. So we are both obsessed with race and yet white americans at the same time often want to pretend that race no longer has any impact. And if you talk about race, that youre actually racist for noting race yag dial disparity. Black people were working in jobs that would make them susceptible to coming in contact with the virus and because of the conditions we live in, were more susceptible to the virus and how many stories have we seen where black people presented with acute sill toymp and were told to go home and then they actually died . We are more susceptible and more likely to die from this. As we saw over the weekend in new york, nearly every person who is being cited for social distancing, even though we saw pictures of lots of white people in manhattan essitting very clo together, no masks on and meanwhile black people were being beaten by Police Officers. This is why black people cant stop talking about race, because it impacts every aspect of our lives, including whats happening around this virus. And i might add that there were many whites who stood up arbery. There were many whites that have raised the issues in terms of disparities, but were talking about those that have been the target here. And it is not as blatant in some areas certainly arbery is very blatant. My pastor jones made me read a book that talked about the institutional bigotry. You can be the nicest person in the world but if the institutions are biased, bias will be the result of how it affects your every day life. Absolutely. These systems are selfreplicating, whether or not they are being manned by overly racist white americans. Most white americans are not responsible for the Subpar Health care black americans can get. Most white americans are not responsible for the fact that black americans live in segregated neighborhoods located next to environmental toxins that give them asthma and respiratory problems that make them more likely to die for this disease. You dont have to be in a system set up by an outside caste. Its not about saying every white person is racist. Clearly theyre not. Its not about trying to just place blame on individuals but showing that we have a society that is set up to be vastly unequal and the virus putting a magnifying glass upon that. I want to again congratulate you for the Pulitzer Prize and for project 1619, and i know from some marginal quarters you received some criticism. But since mothers day is tomorrow, ill tell you what my mother told me. She grew up in alabama. 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Another mothers day is almost upon us, and black moms everywhere continue to struggle with the unique fear for their children in the United States. As we mentioned earlier, sean reed who was killed by Indianapolis Police this week is under investigation. And Ahmaud Arberys mother will not get to celebrate with them tomorrow. Instead theyll spend the day dealing with unimaginable grief. Joining me now, a black mother who has been especially outspoken about the recent violence against our young black men. And she uses her platform to do so. Shes grammy awardwinning singer and stage actress stephanie mills. Stephanie, thank you for being with us tonight. Thank you, reverend righteous reverend righteous you know, we go way back. People dont know that. Brooklyn, new york. Your parents were cornerstone baptist church, your parents. Yes yes. Youve been a star for decades. Ive seen you in films and on stage and we spent a lot of time together, but ive never heard you more upset when you called me this week after you saw the video after an officer stood over sean and said i guess its going to be a closed casket homie. Sort of mocking the young man that the police had shot and killed. And i said to you almost thinking you dont want to do that. I said do you want to talk about this in public . She said im a mother, im dealing with somebody, i want to talk about it. Tell us why it was so important for you to speak out, stephanie. Because im a mother and im so tired of seeing our black men shot down for nothing. These two men, these two gentlemen, were doing absolutely nothing. And then for sean reed to be shot and then for the officer to say i guess its going to be an open casket for you, homie, hes not going back home to his mother. Im raising a son. I want to find some kind of law that we can do to protect our black men. Because they cant jog, they cant socially distance. If theyre too close, they want to beat them up. I dont understand why. And my feeling is i wish that you had had some of the mothers on your show with these Police Officers. Tomorrows mothers day. Were trying to do some of that. Its a good suggestion. Because when you look at the fact, yes, some of our young men make mistakes. Some have mental issues or other issues that theyre trying to say about sean, but they dont do this in other communities. They dont shoot them down and they certainly dont mock them, stephanie. And i think that that is the fear. But you know what . We haveme mental issues in our community, and a lot of people dont realize they have mental issues. But whether they have mental issues and theyre running away from the men in blue and i wont call them policemen. Im not saying all policemen are bad, but i am saying theres a lot of criminal activity with these Police Officers and their mothers need to chastise them. Im raising my son with love and compassion. He doesnt know anything about hate. He loves white girls. I mean, he doesnt know anything about hate. What is your message . What is your message, stephanie, to mothers around the country on the eve of mothers day . My message is to love our children. Put just put love in them. I want our community to stay calm, i want our community to stay inside, wear a mask when you go out. The coronavirus is very serious. Now, when it was happening i must say this. When it was happening to white people, they closed the country down. Now that its affecting us predominantly, they want to open the country back up. So we have to protect ourselves. We can no longer look to other people to help us. Theres nothing in this world more dangerous than sincere ignorance and stupidity. Wow. Thats a message from stephanie mills, who has given it to us. And i want to say happy mothers day to my First Lady Michelle Obama and mother farrakhan and irene, she knew i wanted to talk to you. I know that you totally understand it. I want you to help me get a law so when our black men are walking out, its a crime for them to be shot down and theyre unarmed. Or like the Police Officer who was sitting on top of a black man. I dont think its necessary to do all that. Youre absolutely right. That is not policing. Stephanie mills, thank you. Youre welcome. Before we have a break, politics nation would like to send a special happy birthday to roscoe draper. He celebrated his 101st birthday. He was a member of the tuskegee airmen, a group of highly respected black Fighter Pilots who fought during world war ii. He fought as a Flight Instructor for the last several years and hes one belated happy birthday and of course we thank you for your service. Up next, my final thoughts. Stay with us. Looks like they picked the wrong getaway driver. 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Little richard, who was the founding father of rock, who literally was up with that made rock n roll something that the world accepted, embraced, and enjoyed. James brown, who was like a father to me, introduced me to Little Richard when i was a youngster. Little richard introduced james brown to his first manager that helped launch his career. And though they had their little rivalries through the years, they remained very respectful of each other and close. And Little Richard never stopped performing with his flamboyance, with his charisma, even went into the ministry for a while. The whole world is a more joyous place because of Little Richard. And then i was stunned when i found out early this morning andre harrell, the founder of uptown records, former ceo of motown records, had passed at 59 years old. Id known andre for decades. Among the things hes done, he was one of those that was responsible for shaping modern hiphop. He discovered ditty. He was one that helped enhance the career of mary j. Blige. He was also a political activist with passion. It was just last wednesday he and i spent a long time on the phone talking about how we need to mobilize to protect the vote, and he wanted to get the Hiphop Community to support the family of aumhad auberry. Tonight i celebrate the lives of two men that did make a difference. Were not responsible for how and when were born or when we die. But we are responsible for the time we live in between. They used their time well. That does it for me. Thanks for watching. See you back here tomorrow at 5 00 p. M. Eastern. Up next, my colleague Chris Jansing picks up our news coverage. When you shop with wayfair, you spend less and get way more. So you can bring your vision to life and save in more ways than one. For small prices, you can build big dreams. Spend less, get way more. Shop everything home at wayfair today. 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