Will we see the relatively president ial trump we saw on his za vo davos trip this week . Or will he revert to his twitter type with all guns blazing . Should the Congressional Black Caucus meet two weeks after the shole comments about mostly black nation . Well ask two members that are in the black caucus. What are their plans . And all of this as fallout mounts over reports that President Trump tried to fire special Counsel Robert Mueller last june over his russia collusion investigation. But the president is pushing back, and so are we. Joining me now, matt walsh and corine john pier of moveon. Org. Karine, let me go to you. Where i come from, when somebody wants to get rid of the prosecutor, its usually that they are afraid of what the investigation may unearth or reveal about their them. So we hear that the president who wanted to fire the fbi director, wanted to fire Robert Mueller. My antenna goes up here. Am i out of line ear . You are not out of line. Good morning, first of all. It definitely plays into the line of, what is he hiding . Why is it that he keeps wanting to fire people . Or obstruct justice. Hes been doing that from the moment he stepped into office. And we keep learning over and over again. And not only that, hes not behaving like an innocent person. Innocent people dont fire the first fbi director james comey over the russia thing. And now this report that we learn about seven months ago, and were learning about it now. Which i believe is only the tip of the iceberg. But this is donald trump who abuses power every day. And at this point, i do believe it is up to congress to make sure that mueller is protected. But matt, is there a logical reason other than hiding the concern about something. Is there logical reason from the trump defenders that he would even have the discussion that they would meet. This investigation is an irtans. Its going too far and going into the Family Business in a way thats improper and based on a Conspiracy Theory not true. Oh, they are worried about conspiracy theories. This is a bad week for republicans to talk about democratic conspiracy there reryes for sure, but thats what the logic of the Trump Defense would be. Its hard to imagine that because we had a week and season of secret societies. We have missed 50,000 text messages. This is worse than watergate. The problem with the republican tax, not really in the trump legal defense, but undermining the mueller investigation, they are doing it in such a way to undermine their with a i to discredit this. I want corine to weigh in, but does this not undercut t the you can choose who is there, the fbi, based on how does it look to the American Public and the rest of the world . Im libertarian. So i dont mind people have the im an aboritionist but go ahead. Its amazing the extent to which people are talking about, secret do it in a handheld way, i think. You can choose a narrative, a line of attack that is rich and mine that one. But thats not what theyre doing. One single text proves it all throwing that against the wall. When matt doesnt work, hell have to pick up here. Then they attack the media for reporting they were trying to do things like fire mueller, and what does trump do in davos . Attack the media. You attack the messenger when you cant deal with the substance of the message. And i think thats exactly right. I think what is happening is Robert Muellers clearly getting closer and closer to the oval office. Hes knocking on the door of the oval office and republicans are seeing that. Just look how the year ended for donald trump advisers. People who worked closely with him. People on his campaign were indicted. We know flynn is talking to Robert Mueller open, someone who travels with donald trump for almost two years. Sessions sat down with mueller. There are things that we continue to learn that are leading closer and closer to donald trump. And what republicans are doing exactly what you guys were discussing. They want to undermine Robert Muellers investigation because something is coming. Something is going to happen. And when it does, they want to be able to say, oh, well, you know what . You cant trust the be the crazy thing about this, were talking about the republican party, which is supposed to be a law and order party, right . They are supposed to have the moral high ground. Good luck finding a law and order party, man. I mean, do you think that the president does go in front of mueller and answers the questions voluntarily . Or is he putting this out there saying to the crowd, i would love to go, under oath, whatever you want. While lawyered over there. The answer is, are his lawyers working for him . Or is he working for his lawyers . I think that he thinks in his mind and he can do this. But he thinks hes innocent here. Any lawyer allowing donald trump to continue malpractice, but hes the president. Corrine, i have known donald trump for a long time, more bad than good, but hes a salesman. He fails at an overpriced property, condos, whatever you can. We are way over the value of it. He thinks he can talk anybody into anything, so he probably does think, let me talk out of i think thats exactly right. He believes hes the only one that can fix this. He believes hes the best salesman and only he knows how to talk about things on his behalf. He kind of says that all the time when he wants to go out and talk to the press. He knows the she secret. You cant lie to the fbi. If you do, its a crime. I just dont know how he does it. I think the only thing hell say that is true is that his name is donald j. Trump. Well have to leave it there. Thank you to matt welch and corine jonpierre. Ill ask congress. This is politics nation on msnbc. Some say no matter who the president is, members of congress aught to respect them and go. I cannot sit and watch the president and give him that honor. I believe that the state of the Union Message is an honor that is afforded the president by the speaker who invites him to deliver the state of the union. And i dont want to give him that. With President Trumps first state of the Union Address in just two days, just over two weeks after his alleged shole remarks about developing black and Latino American nation, the Congressional Black Caucus is unified in this outrage but tactically split. With Maxine Watters and fred rica wilson saying they will not attend. While Cedrick Wilson has called for the president s sensor over the remarks, but its yet to find out whether he will boycott the address as a group. Joining me now is new york congressman gregory meeks, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus. Congressman, first of all, thank you for joining me this morning. Good to be with you. You and i have known each other a long time. We have come through the new york politics, National Politics together, so we have always respected our different roles. Mine, outside activist and you a member of congress. There are two trains of thought here. One, how can you sit in the room with the man who has said racist things . And the other thing is, hes the president , you have to respect the president s seat and we sent you down to engage and not put yourself in a situation where you couldnt. So this is not an easy call for any member of congress, black or otherwise. Where are you . That is correct. I will tell you first that for members of the Congressional Black Caucus, everybody has a deep personal conviction of one way or the other. The way i am is i come from the school where my mother taught me. If someone does not give me respect, i cannot give them respect. Im not going to bow to them. This president , we have given him opportunity for respect. Right. Hes not given me or my constituents or my people any respect. He can get on a script, which he will do, and read and people will say, oh, maybe he is president ial. And then the very next day you will see who he truly is. He did that with the television piece on immigration. You remember he had everything . And then the very next day when people gave him proposals, he e reniged. So i will be in my office listening very attentively. I will go back to the media and my constituents afterwards to give my response to what the president has to say. But for the sake of the institution, can i not give this man who does not respect me the respect to be in that audience. Okay, let me understand this quickly, congressman gregory meeks, where donald trump comes from, you are a congressman in the year he was born. And you may have started in your district. So his home congressman is saying he will not be in there when he gives his state of the Union Address. Thats exactly right. I will not be there. He has not let me tell you better from home, mr. President. Im given him a chance. I was one in the beginning when he was being inaugurated as president of the United States. And so therefore im going to go for the office of president of the United States, whether you talk about charlottesville, whether you talk about immigration, whether you talk about his expressions toward haiti and africa, whether you talk about the policy hes put forth and how he talked about former president obama, there is at every opportunity he has the suspected me and digital to look like me. Can i not respect him. I am a member of congress and have to do things for my district. I will bill districtwise. A district that includes a state where he comes from. Thats exactly right. Let me bring in another member of the Congressional Black Caucus, congresswoman Sheila Jackson lee. Congresswoman jackson lee, congressman meeks, the president Just Announced here hes not going inside of the state of the Union Address. He will not be in the hall that night. He will be in his office and do his duty. Other members of the Congressional Black Caucus have said they will protest in other ways. In fact, you have roots in queens as well. Your moms funeral was in queens. We talked about the people who dont know their roots. What do you think . Let me just say the con gres gresgre gregs Congressional Black Caucus is a family. They are very diverse. Our passion and concern is for them. Therefore, when we have an administration that has consistently shown ongoing disrespect or nonresponse, we have to respond ourself. We have to respond to the state of the union because the state of the union is a time for the president to speak to all of america. That has not occurred over the last year. The responses of the actions of this president do not speak to all of america. And as i listen to my colleague, hes right about the issues. We are not offended by this president personally. We have our our courage, integrity but we do need admiration. For example, the people suffering in houston, texas, all those suffering from disasters had his attention. Right now my community has yet to receive the supplemental disaster relief. And the fact that the submission came from mulvaney who does not like government, thats the o b director, it is not even enough. So i start from that premise as to whether or not the president has made his commitment to the United States, you do not. I am a wellseated texas, but im also a daughter of immigrants. My grandparents came from jamaica. They came through panama. And i dont know whether they would meet the merritt test, but i tell you, i have a young woman who wants to go to yale university. I want that for all those who want to do good in their country. He doesnt seem to see that. And then i would say this, i believe that the crucial part of this nation is its underpinning in democracy and social justice, voting rights, the criminal justice system. We have not heard one positive word about the importance of the civil rights. Congressman meeks, you announced that youre not going home. Looking at this tweet coming after democrats, he made punk members on the other side of the track. You dont know what hes going to say. Those that do go risk getting their finger wagging by this president. You dont know which donald trump is going to show up . You never know. First off, hes a conman and what hes done all his life. If you look at his policies, in queens, he had over 800 people come out. So he makes even with his tax cuts and makes you think because you people are talking 11,000 that someone gets back. 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