Vindication and for vind dictatetive. For republicans wanting to turn the corner on the stillunreleased Mueller Report. President trump has been happy to oblige them all week with a distracting victory lap culminating in a return to the campaign trail where he spiked the football. The russia witch hunt was a plan by those who lost the election to try and illegally regain power by framing innocent americans, many of them, they suffered, with an elaborate hoax. Folks we still havent seen a full unmitigated copy of the report, save the four pages of summary that attorney general bill barr released a week ago and followed up friday with the announcement that the report would be made public, redacted, of course, by midapril if not sooner. Barrs own language. Meanwhile, his boss maintains that no one wants the full report out more than him. Of course, that hasnt stopped him from thireatening lawmakers. And that brings me to my question tonight. With america still trying to make heads or tails of what the Mueller Report is and what it might be, has the press and the public moved on too quickly, giving the president the freedom to do what he does best, change the subject . Joining me now, david brock, chairman of american bridge 21st century, sophia nelson, former house Gop Committee council and contributor to think. Com. And paul butler, formal prosecutor. David, many of us said the candidates and others need to deal with the issues, but the congress should stay on this report. Have we moved on too quickly . Because we really have seen only a fourpage summation by the attorney general appointed by President Trump. We do not know what is in the report itself that is now over 300 pages were told right. Well, i think the president got a couple of two days out of it, but democrats are not going to move on. And the tell here was by the end of the week, attorney general barr was walking back what he had tried to do earlier in the week, which, to my mind, was a coverup. He had a bias on the obstruction of justice issue going into it and he tried to foist that upon the american public. He admitted by the end of the week that his letter wasnt a real summary. They still wont tell us how many pages. It would be a big mistake for democrats to move on here. And i predict by the time we get the full report, which may be two weeks, maybe a little bit longer, theres going to be some devastating information on the obstruction of justice issue because the president here stood to benefit. He benefited from the underlying crimes on the computer hacking. And i think he used his executive power and i think thats misused his executive power. And i think thats what mueller concluded and i think well see that. So no, its not time to move on. Paul, we did see in attorney general barrs fourpage letter that even he says that the report by mueller seems to have said there was no collusion, but he could not say there was no obstruction of justice. Does that mean we could see in the report, when we finally get it in a more complete form, that there could be things that are absolutely inappropriate and, in some cases, appalling, but may not have reached to a criminal level or a level where they felt they could prosecute . Thats right, reverend. So we know that there is evidence of obstruction of justice by President Trump in the report. We know that because mueller said that he could not exonerate trump on obstruction. The question is, will we see it, even when we get this redacted version . What the attorney general said is hes going to remove four categories of information, including grand jury material. Thats the investigation. And information about some third parties. Im curious whether donald trump jr. Is a third party and whether that will be redacted from the report. Theres a big mystery about why mueller didnt indict donald trump jr. Since he appeared to have lied to the House Intelligence Committee the way roger stone and Michael Cohen lied to the committees and mueller prosecuted them. There should be an explanation for why don junior wasnt prosecuted thats in that Mueller Report. The American People must see that. Sophia, what was missing to me on this is a complete lack of outrage that has been established that clearly the russians, adversaries of this country did, in fact, interfere with the american president ial election. You would have thought that the president and the attorney general would have shown some outrage and say that they want to move to make sure this does not happen in this upcoming election. Its almost like all trying to vindicate the president and not really be concerned about what this does to the democratic apparatus of this country. Rev, i agree with you. I think weve seen this consistently now. Since the election and then after the inauguration of this president that this whole issue of whether or not russia tried to interfere in our elections has been now established beyond a reasonable doubt, it seems to me, given what the Intel Community has said and now Mueller Report has clearly said, that is russians did, in fact, interfere in the elections. Rev, in a normal world, we americans are used to with all of our president s, whether they be democrats or republicans, ba obama, bush, daddy bush or reagan, when a president comes out and speaks to the American People says this will not stand, we will not allow the russians to interfere no our elections without consequence, and here are the ten things were going to do. Weve seen none of that. This president has hugged up to putin, coddled him, hes been unwilling to do what he needs to do. Yeah, theyve done some backhanded sanctions that went through senate that they were forced to do, but lest be honest. The response from the white house is not what we expect regardless of our party. Also, rev, to agree with my colleagues, theres one simple way to deal with this Mueller Report as a former committee council, congress under article 1 as oversight power of the executive. They need to haul mueller in. Forget about a. G. Barr, haul mueller in and ask him questions under oath, ask him to give us the context, ask him to explain why if he couldnt exonerate the president , why didnt he then charge the president. These are the type of things only mueller can answer, not attorney general barr. Paul, let me go back to you on this. We hear the president not committing to not giving pardons. Hes danced around that. So he, in fact, has left the door open that he could pardon some of those that have been prosecuted by the mueller investigation. And hes even said they want to see the removal of congressman schiff over intelligence. By removing schiff, then who is going to look at the unredacted report by mueller and see if what is removed are Security Problems . Thats a great question. The National Security component of the Mueller Report, thats investigated not by the doj criminal prosecutors, but by National Intelligence professionals who report to the president. So just like trump ran the former attorney general sessions out of the Justice Department so he could hire Somebody Just like bill barr who apparently had taken the loyalty pledge that trump demands of his Law Enforcement officers and protected trump from the obstruction investigation, looks like trump is trying to do that with the counterintelligence portion of the investigation as well. The only person who could not let him get away with that is the congress, thats why hes going after schiff because he knows the biggest threat to his presidency is in the hands of the congress. Now, congressman schiff, david, said this to my colleague, rachel maddow. This report is all going to come out and its just going to reflect more poorly on the attorney general when it does come out and we look at the difference between what he dwraektd and what was under those redactions. It shows an effort to cover up our conceal. For him to raise that, hes the head of the Intelligence Committee in the congress, david. And for there to be a target on him to get him removed is almost like you are going to give us people that you feel will redact what you want to redact or at least not question what is redacted. So if that happens, we wont know if were really seeing the full report that we could have seen when we do see it. Thats absolutely right. The barr letter was intellectually demonstrated and written in bad faith. Hes not the right honest broker here to tell us what we can see and what we cant see. And i think thats whats schiffs point and thats why the focus is on schiff. The conservatives say that schiff is lying about collusion. He certainly isnt because there was a number of incidents shown. All we know is it wasnt a criminal conspiracy but there certainly was collusion. Its precious that the republicans are attacking schiff, because their president on average last year lied 15 times a day. So this attack on schiff is not going to hold water. Its ridiculous. Let me go back to you on this, quickly, before we have to go on this segment, sophie. When you hear this, as a republican, you remember the nixon resignation. It came because they established that he was part of the coverup, not that he had knowledge of the breakin at water gate and who paid for it, but of the coverup. So you could be guilty of obstruction even if the collusion was not proven. You could be guilty of obstructing a part of the coverup. Will republicans, if that is the case when this report does come out, and if were allowed to see, really, all of what needs to be seen in terms of the public, will there be republicans that will go to this president and say, you obstructed, you need to resign. As republicans went to nixon and asked for his resignation . Two things, rev. I agree with my colleagues. I am appalled as a citizen of this Great Republic were being told what we can and cannot see when were questioning whether the president of the United States was a mole for the russians or under the influence of the russians. Weve apparently cleared him of that and thats a good day for america, but this obstruction issue is correct. I dont remember nixon resigning. I was way too small at that point, but at the end of the day your point is well taken that if obstruction is really on the table and you cant exonerate him of it, we got a problem here and we need to not only see that, but the congress has to conduct its oversight responsibilities over article i. Do i think the republicans will go to this president . I dont. I dont think this is george w. Bush and baker and dole and those gentlemen back then who went to nixon and said you have to step down, this cannot be allowed, you have to go. I dont see this group of republicans doing that. That saddens me, but i dont. All right. Im going to thank paul butler. Im asking david and sophia to stick around for more. Sophie, i knew you were too small around nixon. You remember him from your study. Coming up, donald trump has injected a lot of noise into american politics. Next weeks naan conference will cut through the noise and focus on the real issues. 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Former texas congressman beto orourke announced officially today hes kicking off his campaign and he made the announcement in el paso, texas. The dnc announced the debates of the 2020 election will be held in miami on june 26th and 27th. Both events televised right here on msnbc. Next week nearly a dozen of those president ial hopefuls will appear alongside black clergy at this Years NationalAction Network convention in new york. Senator, you have not youve decided not to run, but youre speak at the convention. What do those attendees and the nation need to hear from those that are seeking office . What will be looking for in terms of substance and policy . There are three things, rev. They need to hear first of all how were going to take on the crisis of underinvestment in our families and health care, housing, education, living wage jobs. Its just been a horrific few decades. When we we have to hear about how theyre going to restore our democracy, make the senate work so when we take a majority in the senate in 2021 and take the oval office, we can actually get work done. And the third thing is taking on climate. Its a threat that we cannot day. Its hurt people all over the country and im glad aoc is talking about green new deal. Now, last friday you introduced legislation to deal with the Electoral College and to deal with a lot of voting issues that the house has dealt with but the senate hasnt. Elaborate on what you are after in this bill and how we no longer need to really just let the electoral dloej offset whats been decided . Its way past time to get rid of the Electoral College. It means people dont have to campaign in front of all the people in the country so a lot of states get left out of the president ial. So for all those reasons. But it also was last week that every Single Member of the Democratic Caucus introduced the for the people act that will take on the other key pieces of the gerrymandering and the Voter Suppression and the dark money polluting our elections. Thats flipped our constitution on its head. We have government by and for a small circle of privileged and power people rather than government by and for the people. Thats why were getting such terrible outcomes. Senator, in the 2016 election, you were the only senator during the primaries that endorsed your fellow senator, Bernie Sanders, over secretary hillary clinton. Have you decided who youre going to support and if not, will you support someone else and what would be the basis of doing that . I think its going to take a long time before i endorse anyone. But i really am looking forward to hearing how theyre going to take on those three big crises facing america. This is a time where we want to encourage people to lay out a vision, both their ability to drive that vision as well as the substantive content. How are we going to make Health Care Better and address the housing crisis. How people go decades without getting a raise or losing ground . Those are pieces of the puzzle we need to hear a real commitment from the heart and an intelligence from the mind a large group of crazy legislative processes to get the act done. One of the real problems in this country that has come to the front under the Trump Presidency is the racial divide has become even more and more apparent. A lot of candidates run away from dealing with how to close the racial divide. You have been very open and very vocal about this in the senate, and yet a lot of us are not hearing policy from a lot of the candidates in how we deal with, yes, black unemployment is down, but its still double the white. Yes in terms of wealth gap, race and other things. How do we deal with the race issue and assume that most americans, who will not be turned off by, but challenged by it because we cannot just act like it will heal or resolve itself . We have to start from the point of embracing the strength of our diversity in america. What weve really had is the president pouring gasoline on racial divisions, attacking all kinds of groups, africanamericans, latino americans, muslimamericans, the list goes on and on. We need to have a spirit that says, you know what . Were stronger in america because of our different backgrounds, that we are more beautiful in america because those backgrounds. From that, tackle those challenges youve talked about. Theres a set of unique circumstances in health care that really affect africanamerican communities. Why dont we have programs to help address those sneezes we had economic improvements that have bypassed our front line communities. For example, as we rebuild our Energy Economy with the green new deal, how are we going to make sure jobs and clean energy go to those communities with very specific programs . Thats a couple of the ways. Lets start with the spirit of being in this all together and then add programs to address specific challenges. All right. Thank you, senator merkley, well see you next weekend at the National Action network convention. In n chicago next week, the city will achieve a milestone, electing a black woman as mayor for the first time. The details, coming up. Will ach electing a black woman as mayor for the first time. The details, coming up. As mayo for the first time the details, coming up paper prepares us for success. Please have a seat. Showcases the best ideas and motivates decisions. Lets get started. When making a big impression matters, use paper. Well, how does that sound . Were in paper and packaging. How life unfolds. 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