And sunday. Next, msnbc prime weekend. Welcome to primetime weekend. Im nicolle wallace. Cabinet would have all the best people. The best and the finest. We will have the best people in the world. The voters believed him. Promises to surround himself with the best people. We will let the extremely high turnover rate. The disgraced expresident eyes and other term. Expect the definition of the best people to have changed. Now simply the undying loyalty. Take what he did at the rnc installing his daughterinlaw. To leave the rnc with the model. If trump does win back the white house. He will fill his administration with people who share his every impulse and goals of an anti democratic extremist policy agenda. People like Jeffrey Clark. Been flooded from the Attorney General. A former doj official after the 2020 election. Going to overthrow the results. Efforts could land clark in legal hot water as he is moments away from being disbarred. Politico reports eight Disciplinary Panel in washington has found that Jeffrey Clark violated the rules for lawyers in an attempt to aid Donald Trumps bid to support the 2020 election. The preliminary ruling jump starts the process that could lead to suspension or permanent revoking of clarks license to practice law. Paul manafort is a convicted felon eventually pardoned by donald trump, now rumored to be in the running to be campaign advisor. An architect of the heinous policy and insurrection enthusiasts. He has plans to focus on Quote Antiwhite Racism and would likely play a Key Role In A Second Trump white house. The guardian takes another look at a potential frontrunner for Something Big. Rick grinnell currently running a shadow foreignpolicy campaign alarming experts. Served as a rambunctious ambassador to germany and acting director of national intelligence. Carved a niche as an articulated in chief to global maga affairs echoing his political masters voice. Policy and armscontrol specialist told the guardian there are many aspects to what he is doing. One is gripped. Looking for business deals, particularly in serbia where trump has longstanding business Interest Income seems to be helping him pursue this. Another is more sinister. Grinnell is said to be building up a network of rightwing leaders to authoritarian access that trump might governed by ranging from putting to others. Antidemocratic forces and uses the simple playbook of using democracy to overthrow democracy. Going to start out with our favorite reporters and friends. However republicans employees reshaping america. Plus msnbc jupiter Charlie Sykes is back. Assisting in Attorney General for National Security at the Justice Department, mary mccord is here. New york times investigator. Got some reporting on one of the folks that we just mentioned. What a start with you and the failure to take this all in. You hear hes got an affinity for autocrats. He really likes or bond. But grinnell puts more behind it. Trump gets away with more than a normal politician because he is viewed as hapless and distracted. He has folks working on this stuff all day every day. Yeah. I think one of the Biggest Challenges that those of us who would prefer not to have a Second Trump Administration have is that the First Administration happened. It wasnt great. But it didnt and in permanent authoritarian rule in the United States. Not everyone who works in the first Trump Administration was a maga authoritarian. Plenty of normal republicans and generals that trump appointed. Second term will not look like that. The first time around trump did not think he was going to win. None of the republican institutions, places like the heritage patient felt that he was going to win. So they needed to come up with lists of people that he could hire. Second time around, they are doing that work. First time around, trump didnt know anyone in washington. He did not know who to hire. Now he knows who his loyalists are. Thats who hes going to appoint to the bench. The second term you will be looking at a much more effective authoritarian regimes in the first term. Goes beyond more effective people moving towards authoritarianism all the people that were so far right that they were distasteful to many people in the center and everyone on the centerleft. None of them are in. You have that so bad that mike pence, his former vp, is not voting for him and neither are any of the other people who served in his cabinet. Its all relative, right . Who will choose between a republican and democrat review will choose a republican so repulsive to his former Vice President that he will not vote for him for the first time in american political history. And you are the same things from his former National Security advisor, chiefs of staff, his former defense secretary. It is interesting looking back at 2017. The original Trump Administration actually was staffed with a lot of norm he republicans. A lot of people who are very conventional. I think that his inner circle decided thats the reason that he did not succeed more, that he did not surround himself with a chemical loyalist. The people like rick purnell, stephen miller. Thats the big difference. Doesnt want any of the conventional or mike pence in the world. He wants people who will do his bidding. Rick grinnell is basically a jumped up internet troll, tv personality. The fact that he was acting director of national intelligence, just the most remarkable thing. If you would have said this 10 years ago, does somebody like rick purnell, will become architect of domestic policy including the policies on the board. Exactly the kinds of people you want the levers of power. These are the kinds of people who will bring back in a second trump term. There was some incredible investigative work done by the select committee. On the sort of Endgame Strain that trump but on haskell and other lifelong National Security act hurts. To charlies point, you did not have all of the agencies run by cash hotels. And Rick Grinnell. They were there, but they were not running the cia, running the pentagon. In a second trump term, they would be. The clash of values and cultures wants to protect americas role in democracy. They are promising to do on day one. Thats so scary about this. As ian laid out, they are the most extreme people. Not the people that were in the first Trump Administration. There were a lot of good people who thought actually that they could sort of the government in the rails and keep the government institutions and protect institutions and abide by norms and the rule of law. One trump realized though, you wont do my bidding, then he got rid of them. We should be worried here. People are thinking how bad could it be . Points to positions in his cabinet. They will have to be confirmed by the senate. Putting aside for the moment that both houses of congress have quite a bit of their own term and turmoil and polarization. Trump towards the second half of his First Administration said to heck with getting my nominees confirmed. I will just abuse the acting process. The vacancies to reform act and just said to appoint acting. People said i like atkins basically because i can get rid of them if i do not like what they are doing. There wont be much of a check. We will see the most extreme people. Remember the very beginning of his patient, he appointed my point is National Security advisor. My plant did not make it more than a few months because he lied to the fbi about the conversations he was having for those within russias government about things. We will be taking things after mr. Trump would become president. With that result in trump firing mike flint . I dont think so. Anything else we have to worry about besides the leaders of departments and agencies including National Security agencies is what he is promising to do to the civil service. Get rid of people who are not willing to be loyalists. Thats got to be very concerning, too. When he wrote the tellall and went to extraordinary lengths to keep from being published. He wrote about concerns that he had that i believe he shared with bill barr about the potential that u. S. Foreign policy as it pertains to turkey was corrupted by u. S. Business interests. In a second trump term, there would be no guardrails on the mixing of u. S. Policy and commercial business. I think a lot of people worry. The story you shared when we broke in and put this into the mix. The plan by Jared Kushner and his Business Partners to redevelop a Prize Location in serbias capital echoes interests from trump a decade ago. Pursuing a deal for the site with a similar proposal pushed during the white house term. Rick grinnell, which trump had appointed in the balkans had a special plan during the Trump Administration that serbia and the United States work to rebuild the Defense Ministry site. He argued in favor of using American Investments to transform the belgrade site while still serving in his official capacity as an american diplomat in 2020. According to transcripts and remarks he made during several news conferences, it is harder to get out. The reporting is extraordinary because it does just that. Talk about this story and the comingling of official diplomatic roles in the way that you present yourself around the world and business deals. It was quite striking. First you have donald trump when he was a private citizen before running for president. When he expressed an interest in building a hotel in the center of belgrade, that plan did not come to fruition. When Rick Grinnell was working as a Special Envoy to serbia, he then made a proposal to redevelop the exact same site. That did not happen. Now that they are in the private sector, he is working with Jared Kushner and yet again, on the same site, they are building a hotel. Private Citizen Trump Proposing A hotel at one place. Rick grinnell while a diplomat, proposing that the u. S. Redevelopment that site. Now meeting with Jared Kushner. Government to the private sector again. And what you have there is folks from the Justice Department pressuring a prosecutor to drop a case against a state owned bank when President Trump was in office. The u. S. Attorney in new york tried to resist that. But no one was pressuring him to intervene from pursuing the case against the bank attorney. The Justice Department was frustrated with the u. S. Attorney. You had a Government Official urging trump to intervene with the Justice Department. That happened in the First Administration. It is to be seen how this plays out if in fact he goes back to the white house. 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A whole lot of time and energy and money goes into prognosticating and predicting what youre going to do on election day. None of us knows. Nobody. Thats why i do not spend a lot of time on poles. Exhibit 1a, a year and a half ago, 2022 midterms and we were told by all kinds of people that President Joe Biden was too unpopular in the polls and voters were eager to signal a different direction and so this happened. Are we looking at one of the biggest red waves in American History . Red wave rising. We could see things happening in america weve not seen in decades with a historic roadway. Predictions of a red wave are accurate. I think its going to be like the Elevator Doors opening up on the shining. You are about to see a red wave that makes The Day After Tomorrow look like nothing. Number that disaster movie, thats the red lives in amidala, sure. Is it going to be a red wave, a red tsunami . I think it will be a red hurricane. Im feeling red wave. If theres not a red wave, i will dance, how about that . That guy dancing and the third person, the head of the rnc. It never happened. There was no wave. Like a couple of drops. Democrats maintained control of the senate. Republicans gained a narrow sliver of majority in the house, one that has diminished further since the day. Perhaps its healthier the question the consensus, common consensus, the polls. The latest available poland, 215 days before the election, is suggesting that donald trump will handily defeat joe biden. During our conversation, democratic strategist Simon Rosenberg sees those polls that shamelessly predicted what we just described and is similarly optimistic about joe bidens reelection chances heading into november. We are also joined by msnbc political analyst. John is still with us. Tell us your philosophies about polls and protections. Its great to be here with the great panel, as well. I love the introduction. I will have to steal it for my own work. It was really good. My take on where things are right now is that joe biden is a good president. The country is better off. The Democratic Party is strong and win elections all across the country and they have trump, the ugliest political thing we have ever seen. We have the ability as analyst to not just be guided by single polls. There are a lot of things we look at to determine the strength of a candidacy or a political party. Money being raised, quality of the candidate, strength of the argument. Team, track record, all those things. Youve been part of this. When i look at everything and put it all together i see in 2020 fourth that i would much rather the us them them seven months out because joe biden as i said will have a strong record to run on and i dont know how you dress up trump and make him look like a serious president ial candidate in 2024. So much of what people used to sort of create the bubbles in which they exist and on the Biden Coalition side exists to have some anxiety about the fate of our democracy. This conventional wisdom that enough people will say oh, but the economy. Oh, but i dont like the c