Men multipply, why the if it true response isnt enough. Good evening. Im chris hayes. The Republican Party finds itself trapped in a roy moore dilemma. Moore stand accused of molesting a 14yearold girl when he was a 32yearold assistant district attorney. Three other women say moore pursued them when they were teenagers. Moore denies the ontherecord allegations first reported yesterday by the Washington Post, while republicans on capitol hill seem to be hoping they just go away. Senator mcconnell, do you believe the women who made these accusations against roy moore . Senator mcconnell, do you believe the women who made these accusations against roy moore . Thank you. On taxes that was on ameeting at the republican tax plan for which roy moore could provide the crucial vote. Mitch mcconnell has called on moore to withdraw from the race if the allegations are true. No word yet on what theyre willing to accept as proof or whether the post reporting with four women on the record about their encounters with moore, including the mother of the 14yearold girl, plus over 30 other sources, whether that meets the threshold. That caveat, if true, would seem to leave a whole lot of room for moores claims that the allegations are false. Moore denied even knowing the 14yearold but did not rule out the possibility of having had relationships with other teenagers while in his 30s. I dont know miss corfman from anybody. Ive never talked to her, never had any contact with her. Allegations of Sexual Misconduct with her are completely false. I believe theyre politically motivated. Ive never known this woman or anything. With regard to the other girls, you understand this is 40 years ago and after my return from the military, you dated a lot of young ladies. Would it be unusual for you as a 32yearold guy to have dated a woman as young as 17 . That would be a 15year difference or a girl 18. Do you remember dating girls that young at that time . Not generally, no. If i did, you know, im not going to dispute anything but i dont remember anything like that. I do not generally know but if i did, im not going to dispute it. Mitt romney tweeted innocent until Proven Guilty is for criminal convictions, no elections. I believe corfman. Moore should step aside. Senator john mccain and virginia comestock said moore should not serve in the u. S. Senate but moore has made it clear he has no intention of dropping out of this race. His name will almost certainly be on that ballot, which means the only personal standing between moore and the ballot is jones. Moore supporters have been circling the wagons, portraying the judge as a victim of a politically motivated smear campaign. His brother said its kind of like when jesus christ was hung on the cross. Im not saying roys like jesus christ. Im saying the way theyre treating him is like what they did to jesus christ. If they believe this man is predatory, they are guilty, i think somebody should go after them. Rush limbaugh is calling one of the victims a whacky woman on his show. And the white house for its part repeated the if true caveat, adding a bit of extra wiggle room. Like most americans, the president believes we cannot allow a mere allegation, in this case one from many years ago to destroy a persons life. However, the president also believes that if these allegations are true, judge moore will do the right thing and step aside. You hear that part, mere allegation, a mere allegation with four stories and 30 people on the record, and all the people who have accused the president himself of Sexual Misconduct, they all are liars. And steve bannon on his friend boy moore. The amazon bezos that dropped the dime on roy moore is the same one that dropped the dime on i say we double down now. Youre donald trump and theyre not. Right . I said, what do we do . I said lets go have a rally. Steve schmidt is a republican strategist and msnbc political analyst. That appears to be the strategy of bannon and his wing and the alabama Republican Party. As someone who has worked your whole adult life in republican politics, whats your reaction to that . I dont have the words to express my shame. Its disgraceful. What were talking about here, chris, is a 14yearold little girl. Roy moore is a pedophile. Hes a child molester. Thats whats alleged here. This story is immaculately source. There are 30 corroborating sources that are contemporaneous to the accounts of the woman from the time and the years after. Its obviously true. The notion that this is some sort of conspiracy thats been built, designed by satan, in the words of roy moore, over many years is pure nonsense talk. This whole notion of if the allegations are proven true, there will be no trial here. There will be no judge to render a verdict. This is not a court of law. These are credible allegations. The Republican National committee should sever all funding relationship with this campaign. Every republican member of the United States senate should signal that should he be elected that hell refuse to that theyll refuse to caucus with roy moore. Every withone of them should can him to drop out of this race. They should repudiate it. The moral rot in the Republican Party, the rot, the stench, the cancer of bannonism is a plague on this country. It is a sad, sad day. Ronald reagan, abraham lincoln, dwight eisenhower, teddy roosevelt, theyre rolling over in their graves tonight. Shame on Mitch Mcconnell, shame on paul ryan for not speaking out, not doing the right thing here, shame on them. You know, theres these two camps, the bannonite camp and the alabama republicans rallying around him and folks on trump tv saying its fabricated, women make things up and then people like mitt romney and Barbara Comstock saying this in and of itself is disqualifying. And then theres the other category of im not sure. Today you had mike lee first asking for his name to be pulled off the fundraising document, the picture of him with roy moore. First he wanted his picture removed. Later after the interview, he rescinded his endorsement, as did steve danes of montana rescinded their endorsement. Is that enough . No, its not enough. There needs to be a repudiation. He needs to get ot of tut of th. Hes accused of molesting a little girl. Were talking about a 14yearold little girl. This is disgraceful. Couldnt be more disgusting. This is predatory, criminal behavior. Its child molestation. The conspiracy theories that have run rampant on extremist radio, on extremist political tv today, certainly it shouldnt be defined as conservative. It has no connection to the conservatism that i grew up with. It has no connection with any rectitude or probity. Its a sad moment. The courage of this woman to come forward knowing what was going to come at her, we should all reflect on that. And i do think what youll see in alabama, theres a lot of pessimism about doug jones chances here. Theres a ways to go in this race and i think certainly the Democratic Party should be all in on this race, all in for doug jones on this race. Youd like to see mitt romney, john mccain, some of the others who have been so principled on this, they ought to endorse doug jones in this race. That to me strikes me. That is going to be the choice. Its almost no way to get him off the ballot even logistically. Its going to be roy moore and doug jones and maybe a writein candidate and if you believe that moore is unfit, then doug jones is the option. Thank you. My pleasure. Barbara boxer is a former senator from the state of california. You saw those pictures of those men there, Chuck Grassley and Mitch Mcconnell, you served with these men for decades in the United States senate in some cases. Are you surprised by the way they are reacting to this and not being more fullthroated . Truly i am and i am so thankful to people like steve schmidt. They give me hope for this country and john mccain and, yes, mitt romney and the others who read the story. And, you know, i held back until i read every word of that story. And if i could just ask the people of alabama, just read the story and follow your heart and your mind. And dont be blinded by anything else but that story. Because we know its real. You just have to read it. You can feel it as a human be g being, as a mom or a dad or as a victim. But let me say i am surprised, particularly at mitch, who i worked very well with toward the end of my tenure. Im surprised because he went through the packwood case and this was another situation where bob packwood was reelected to the United States senate, he had run on a very strong feminist agenda from oregon and right after he won, the Washington Post wrote one of these incredible indepth investigate of stories like this one and named sources, about 15, 16 women who said he had abused them, no children by the way, thats a whole other thing we can talk about and mitch for several years there i had to fight so hard with bob dole and Mitch Mcconnell. And finally Bob Packwoods diaries came out. The truth will always come out. And in this case there were 30 people, as you mentioned, who really made this story real. So im shocked at the end of the day packwood left in disgrace, ron widen took his place and has been there ever since. Mitch ought to know this isnt going away. They ought to send the Ethics Committee team out there. I served on the Ethics Committee, i chaired it for a while and then i was the highest democrat on there. Send the team out to meet to these accusers. You dont have to talk to roy moore. Just talk to the accusers, talk to the community and get involved. Dont just say if its true. Find out for yourself if its true. Do you think theres any recourse i mean, mcconnell and the packwood case ultimately sort of came out against packwood. Well, it took a very long time. Let me tell you, it took so long and, truly, i was taken to task so many times on the floor because i wanted to open up the discussion of packwood and they tried to keep it quiet. It was a very ugly thing. I wrote a book about it, i had a very different take on it than mitch. But the point is for two and a half years after that he was there and it did not do the Republican Party or the United States senate any good to have a predator among our group. Now, look, in the whole country since we started, its been less than 2,000 senators. Please, theres got to be somebody better than this man who not only, in my mind after reading the story do i think hes a pedophile, but hes also just the biggest hypocrite on the face of the earth, the biggest hypocrite who ran around saying how moral he was and how immoral everybody else is. I say to the people of alabama, they have this opportunity regardless what we say, it doesnt matter, its what you want to do. What is the message you want to send . And there are so many other people, if you dont like the democrat, write in somebody. If you dont like that person, you know, write in your own name. You dont have to vote for this man just because he has an r behind his name, r for repulsive. Thats what i would say. Former senator barbara boxer, i really appreciate you being here tonight. Thanks. Tonight from Harvey Weinstein to roy moore and louis c. K. And on and on, well talk about this unprecedented social moment were going through. And reports that special Counsel Robert Mueller is looking into allegations about a deal involving Michael Flynn, 15 million and a turkish Prison Island. The details in two minutes. Patrick woke up with back pain. But he has work to do. So he took aleve. If hed taken tylenol, hed be stopping for more pills right now. Only aleve has the strength to stop tough pain for up to 12 hours with just one pill. Aleve. All day strong. Throughout history, the one meal when we come together, break bread, share our day and connect as a family. [ bloop, clicking ] and connect, as a family. Just, uh one second voice guy. [ bloop ] huh . Hey . I paused it. Bam, family time. So how is everyone . Find your awesome with xfinity xfi and change the way you wifi. Nbc news reporting special Counsel Robert Muellers office is currently investigating whether Michael Flynn who spent 24 days as National Security adviser under President Trump talked about cutting a deal shortly before the inauguration to forcibly remove a illegal resident and deliver him into turkeys custody . In exchange for a secret payment in upwards of 15 million. Federal target was this man, a cleric living in pennsylvania who turkish had ties to erdogan blames for the last years coup attempt. The discussions allegedly involved the possibly of transporting mr. Ghoul gulen on a private jet to a turkish Prison Island of imrali. Flynns lawyers call allegations broadly false, did not address them specifically. Reportedly under investigation are both flynn and his son, Michael Flynn jr. , in march the elder flynn belatedly registered as a Foreign Agent after it was revealed the Flynn Intel Group was paid 530,000 to secretly lobby on trumps behalf while he was working on his campaign. Flynn op ed ran on election day hailing our allie turkey and seeking the expulsion of gulen. Flynn cast as a radical islamist who may operate a dangerous sleeper new yorker. I am joined by political reporter carole lee. Well, thats a heck of a story. What do we know about what investigators know . Well, we know that theyre looking into whether there were these two asks from turkey to Michael Flynn. There was the gulen one you walked through very well. There was another one that would essentially the request was to drop charges against an ally of president erdogan of turkey, who is jailed in the u. S. For helping iran avoid u. S. Sanctions, among other things. So the special counsel is looking into whether these two things, at least those two things were proposed to flynn and flynn send that if he was able to accomplish these tasks once he was in the white house that there would be a payment indirectly or directly of upwards of 15 million. We also know that theyre looking at whether this discussion about this occurred at a meeting in december of 20 2016 at the 21 Club Restaurant in new york and whether flynn and senior turkish officials had this discussion there at that particular meeting. We also have learned that theyre looking at what, if any, role Michael Flynns son may have played in such a deal. So i just want to be clear, because what we do know, what was revealed is that he is working during the campaign while his adviser is working as a Foreign Agent to the tune of a half a million dollars. This focuses after the period, the transition into the actual time hes serving in the u. S. Government in one of the most high ranking security posts. Correct . Reporter correct. And if you the contract that the Flynn Intel Group, which is Michael Flynns lobbying firm, had with turkey ended the day after the election. So then soon after he was named National Security adviser. He obviously took a number of meetings, phone calls and discussions with foreign leaders and other you know dignitaries and things like that. This is what the special counsel is looking into whether this was different, whether these conversations had a different tone and potentially involve something highly illegal. An election day oped about gulen as opposed to go vote for donald trump, of which you are the Senior Adviser on that Campaign Looks a lot like someone that thought he was running out of opportunities to monetize that relationship to a candidate as opposed to a guy that feel super strongly about turkey on election day. Reporter you know, this issue that gulen issue, is president erdogan is obsessed with. He brings this up with u. S. Officials all time and pressed them to extradite this cleric and he clearly, you know, saw if this allegations turn out to be true, you can envision turkey seeing someone like flynn, that they had a relationship with as somebody they may propose Something Like this to. Thank you. With me now nbc legal analyst and attorney nick ackerman, a team that prosecuted watergate. I mean talk about whoa if true. This is unbelievable. I mean, this borders on quid pro quo bribery. It borders on a huge conflict of interest. I think its a part of the same pattern that youve seen in this administration where people are in this for themselves and not in it for the good of the american people, theyre trying to line their own pockets. So this is all a part of the same pattern that weve seen right across the board. Its a good point. Manafort, one of the most incriminating emails manafort sent was turning around to his assistant in ukraine after he gets to be appointed on the campaign and says, how do we use to make whole . How do we monetize this position . We know that flynn was monetizing his position essentially during the campaign. The question is, was he trying to do it a it is National Security adviser of the United States of america . It certainly appears that way. First of all, he was lying to the fbi at the time. He was questioned about his meeting with ambassador kislyak the russian ambassador. He did not tell them about the sanctions, which was a continuing theme also, that started right with the trump tower meeting june 9th with don jr. And conti