Transcripts For MSNBCW The 11th Hour With Brian Williams 201

MSNBCW The 11th Hour With Brian Williams June 16, 2018

Day 512 of the Trump Administration. It is the top of the gop field in 2016 is behind bars. Bawl manafort is spending his first night in a virginia jail after a federal judge in washington d. C. Revoked jail pref l privileges. His role in the campaign have made him a target for muellers team. He is standing by to join us, summed up the lest. Wow, what a tough sentence for Paul Manafort. What about crooked hillary and all of the others . Have unfair. Manafort a few miles from the white house. It has nothing to do with our campaign. I tell you i feel badly about it. I have known him a long time. We have great people. Paul manafort. He didnt need to do that. He said this is something special. Paul manafort has done an amazing job. Where is paul . Paul manafort. Rudy giuliani had his own thoughts telling the New York Daily News when the whole thing is over things might get cleaned up with some president ial pardons. Giuliani later wait. Listen. He is not going to pardon anybody in this investigation. She not going to give up his right to pardon. Michael cohen under criminal investigation in manhattan, there are more reports the president s personal attorney is set to be open with some sort of cooperation with the government. They said prosecutors have extracted more than 700 pages of messages. They are reconstructed 16 pange of a shredding machine. The president had his own comments about cohen earlier this morning. Are you worried Michael Cohen might flip . I did nothing wrong. You to understand. This would have koum out a long time ago. I havent spoken to michael in a long time is he still your lawyer . Not my lawyer. I always liked michael. I did nothing wrong. Senior White House Reporter was in court today in washington where Paul Manafort was. Chuck rosenberg, former fbi official. Thanks for being with us. Let me start with you. You were where the action was this morning. We learned tonight manafort has been booked in jail. It is about two hours outside of washington d. C. The event that resulted in him being sent there in that courtroom, tell us what the scene was like. What was the expectation when you walked in there . Was the expectation that is judge might take this action . I certainly wasnt a big surprise. I think everybody going into that courtroom realized it was at a minimum possibility that manafort would be brought to jail. We saw fbi agents in what seemed to be them making some preparations for what was going to come next for mr. Manafort. I think they had a sense of what was coming. The judge gave some sort of ahead fake. She suggested he was going to give one more chance and said she couldnt trust manafort. She just didnt think she could trust him to abide by whatever conditions she might impose. Could you read from his body language . Any kind of reaction from Paul Manafort . He seemed rather resigned. He has been resigned. He seemed a little more dour and gave his wife sort of a half wave as he was leaving the courtroom lead away by two marshals. He wasnt handcuffed or anything just taken out after the judge ordered him to be put into custody and eventually i guess hours later moved to this jail south of washington. Barbara, let me bring you in on the decision this judge made. We can show a couple of the quotes as she issued this order today. She said this isnt middle school. I cant take his cell phone. If i say dont call the 56 witness that is mr. Westling tells me i need clearly listed in the order will he call the 57th. Mr. Westling the attorney in court today. She also said you seem inclined as just another marketing exercise and not a criminal case. How unusual is it in a matter like this if there are other matters like this far judge to make a decision like this. If there are allegations of witness tamp rerg to revoke a bond. It is considered a very serious crime especially by judges. It is a crime on the integrity of the criminal justice system. I was not surprised to see the judge revoke bond here. T you want today hear whether manafort that might change her mind. They found she couldnt trust him again to comply with the conditions now that he has breached it in a very serious way. From the standpoint of mueller that really sort of started all of this. The question is does it make it more likely for manafort to want to seek some kind of a deal with the special council. Do you think those odds in his mind went up because of this . Yes and no. Sheer why. Manafort was already facing a lot of counts and a lot of time in jail. He had every incentive. He has every incentive to cooperate. It hasnt really changd very much. What changed is he was on bond and now he is not. I think it perhaps changes slightly. Perhaps it sharpens it a bit. In the main, no. He always had incentive to cooperate. It is a question of of whether or not he wants to go to trial. I dont think it changes very much. When it come to legal matters there is a wild card here in what trumps attorney is saying today about this question of mar dons. He sesz at one point this whole investigation might end with president ial pardons. He says its not going to happen and the president reserves his right. Does hi defense team here, does it enter into their strategic calculations. I dont know. You know, Rudy Giuliani, it is hard to know whether he is bubbling or being strategic in dangling it out there and letting manafort know and reminding hip of that i think he has a lot of pressure on whether to go to trial or bleed and cooperate. He still have time and spending motions to suppress evidence. He may want to see how those come oucht. A favorable desession could make the case against him weaker. He has until july 25th until his trial begins. He has little time to see how things shake out. So much happens in a day that he has a little time on his hands. I think the desises cisions on motions that we may have to make a decision here. Yes. Do you have any sense of how they are interpreting the comments about his relationship to campaign . How is it being interpreted on the manafort side . Well what i can tell you, steve, is that they have gone out of the way on the manafort side to stress they are in court or public in some instances. I find it to be a message of trying to get on the president s good side, to try to underscore some of the themes the president has struck in the course of this investigation. You heard the president in the clip making a comment about how it ges back 12 years. The president says why is he being treated like a mob boss. In terms of a pardon i think its something they want to stay away from. It simply has to be part of what may have let manafort to hold out as long as he has. You know, i guess when we talk about the possibility of some kind of a deal and some kind of a cooperation it preseems that he has nflgs that mueller and special Councils Team could find valuable and useful. There is nothing to the idea of collusion when his sort of political orbit and russia. If manafort couldnt shine any light would he be of any value in terms of cooperating . Not everyone has information thats valuable. The way it is constructed and those are the guidelines that helps the court and judge in a sentence you still get credit. You still get some consideration for accepting responsibility. So defendants always have some incentive to plead guilty. They get more consideration if they have valuable information. That said it is really hard to imagine that this guy doesnt have valuable information. Perhaps its not about the president. It could be about michael cohechbcohen. It could be about a bunch of other people. Folks that names have not surfaced yet. Either way i think he has se incentive to plead and cooperate. Most become convicted felons. Most become cooperators. On that note we will end this discussion. Thank you all. Coming up, what it means for President Trump, his west wing an his party. He wrongly blames democrats for separating children and parntds hoping to cross the border even as they keep enforcing the policy. The 11th hour just Getting Started on this friday night. Ahh. Summer is coming. And its time to get outside. Pack in even more adventure with audible. With the Largest Selection of audiobooks. Audible lets you follow plot twists off the beaten track. Or discover magic when you hit the open road. With the free audible app, your stories go wherever you do. And for just 14. 95 a month you get a credit, good for any audiobook. If you dont like it exchange it any time. No questions asked. You can also roll your credits to the next month if you dont use them. So take audible with you this summer. On the road. On the trail. Or to the beach. Start a 30day trial and your first audiobook is free. Cancel anytime, and your books are yours to keep forever. No matter where you go this summer make it better with audible. Text summer17 to 500500 to start listening today. I have always been a good man. That was President Trump last summer seeming to distance himself from his former Campaign Chairman after a predawn raid on manaforts house. It has nothing do with our campaign. They went back 12 year to get things he did 12 years ago. Paul manafort worked for me a short period of time. He worked for john mccain. He worked for many other republicans. He worked for me 49 days or something . A very short period of time. Gingrich said it should not be under estimated. I thought paul did an important job getting the tam pain more of a professional campaign. The russia investigation appearing to be a what impact it could have. Here to talk about it former chairman of the republican naugsal committee and nancy cook. Nancy, it is interesting because so many democrats, so many trump critics seem to be following every incountkre mental develop. Russia doesnt seem to be as prominent. Yeah. I think for a lot of democrats they dont want to sort of overplay their hand. I think privately there is a real interest in taking back the house. I think if that happens the democratic controlled House Oversite Committee would bury under investigations. I think theres a feeling they want to talk about other sort of forward looking messages. They want to talk about tax cuts, health care and things they can actually offer voters. They feel politically if they are fatalking about health care they may be more if they are talking about the investigation. What is a worse issue to be talking about far candidate . Defending the president on mueller in. I think it depends what area youre from. You dont want to have conversations about donald trump and investigations and mueller. You want to make it local. All politics will be local for you. Youll talk about the tax cuts if youre republican. If youre a democrat and we are start to go see this message pop up in places where it will be a competitive race for governor youre trying to do the republican candidate if youre democrat to the president. Begun, it depends where you are. So theres still a lot of turf left to cover before we get a sense how manafort and mueller and trump all play out for both parties going into september. There is a possibility too the way this Mueller Investigation is playing out is there will be an indictment here, plae deal here, a leak here. In terms of something comprehensive assertions about what happened. We havent had that yet. There is the possibility something could break before this election and effect the campaign that way. Of course it certainly could. It could be something in the form of, you know, report to congress. We dont know because he has played his card so close. I think the bigger risk is just that, you know, trump has really gone around and sort of tried to undermine institutions like the department of justice, the fbi. I think in doing so he is really sort of he tried to create this echo chamber so people are more suspicious of institutions. It could backfire a bit. It could mean that republican voters, you know, they are not less interested in the government and may not want to come out to the polls. I was looking at some polls app how republicans feel about it right now. If you look at how they are doing with their own party besides george w. Bush no president has had his own higher rating with his own party than trump does right now. So the question is how do you do it . It is a lot of things that people likes about what he has done, not so much how he has done it or how he talked about it it gets back to whether or not they want to carry that particular baggage. If the tariffs imploed and insurance premiums go up that will be a tough narrative for republicans to walk into november itself. It is thank you for joining us. Coming up about 50 children per day parents separated under a zero tolerance at the border. The president weighed in. Thats ahead when the 11th hour comes right back. Been jimmys longest. Jimmy shouting james hes survived record rain and a supplier that went belly up. So while hes proud to have helped put a roof over the heads of hundreds of families, hes most proud of the one hes kept over his own. Brand vo get the most out of your money, whether youre using quickbooks smart invoicing to get paid twice as fast or automatically tracking your mileage. Smarter Business Tools for the worlds hardest workers. Quickbooks. Backing you. 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In april the department of justice directed federal prosecutors to adopt a zero tolerance pollty. It will be charged with a federal crime. As our colleagues reported tonight, 360 kids were taken between june 3rd and june 11th. We have White House Correspondent covering immigration and foreign affairs. Let me start with you. I think its behind what what you hear him saying there in terms of trying to pin it on democrats. He calculated he will gain congressional negotiations by continuing to enforce a policy he claims to hate. So they have saying the president sees it as leverage to get a deal from democrats on imkbragi immigration. Yes. He believes they will be willing the give up more. I was on capitol hill today who said their constituents dont like the policies. They know this policy is unsustainable which is why they are blaming democrats and that the attorney general argued this week is apolicy that comes from god. I dont know if you saw it. To the white house the sending signals that if the president sees this as leverage in trying to get something through on immigration that the contours of what that i are looking for includes the wall, limits and restrictions on immigration, protection for families at the border. Is there any appetite to go down that road or is it a complete dead end to start with . Lets remember that back in january when they were talking about taking away daca. They were ready to cut a deal and ready to pay for the wall. Thats where the line will be drawn. It is an overhaul of the American Immigration system. It really would change the fabric of how we do immigration focusing on family migration and taking care and making sure you keep Families Together. Think its part of what youre seeing today this week with some of the concerns about separating children and families. There is concern about that. We are getting away from that. And i think it was diane who came out that would keep Families Together at the border. Is there a chance that republicans start turning towards legislation like that . I mean not immediately. What you have seen as a Republican Party that is very much with President Trump and a lot of these lawmakers and thing think families should be kept together. A lot of them believe it is more than they kair about unification on the mexican us border. What we are seeing is a white house that believes strongly in a policy of stopping that kind of migration and willing to separate families for the purposes of driving political leverage. What has the reaction been outside of the United States . The administration has seemed to make the case that this policy also is some kind of deterrent. Is it having that kind of effect . President s have continue today take this risk. We did see record drops in migration to the United States. That chained in the past year. We are seeing new high levels. Different experts have different reasons. The big reason is look, the laws are the laws. If you can prove you have a credible fear, if you can prove if you were turned you could be killed, your life would be in danger the laws are the laws. They will give you the chance to get a court hearing, to get your case in front of a judge. President trump calling those loopholes. Youll continue to see this fight. It is not going away. Thank you both for being with us. Thank you. Is it a joke or does the president really want to be treated like kim jong un . The 11th hour back after this. Metastatic Breast Cancer is relentless, but im relentless too. Mbc doesnt take a day off, and neither will i. And i treat my mbc with new everyday verzenio the only one of its kind that can be taken every day. In fact, verzenio is a cdk4 6 inhibitor for postmenopausal women with hr , her2 mbc, approved, with hormonal therapy, as an everyday treatment for a relentless

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