A thursday night. Well, good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york, day 644 of the trump administration. This scene may be symbolic of the mood on our country right now, at least some of the major cities as authorities hunt for whoever has sent parcels containing mail bombs. Tonight in new york and l. A. , Police Responded to calls for suspicious packages. All clear now, were happy to report at both locations. The California Building they responded to houses some federal offices, including those of senator dianne feinstein. So attention was heightened there, but again, all clear. Also tonight, Miami Dade Police bomb squad and the feds have been searching a u. S. Mail facility in opalocka, florida. They believe some of those packages containing bombs sent to critics of President Trump may have come through that mail facility. Today three more packages were found, two apparently intended for Vice President joe biden, the other for oscarwinning actor Robert De Niro who has clashed with trump. This is how we all heard about it this morning. The n. Y. P. D. Bomb squad is now on the scene of another suspicious package. This one in Lower Manhattan, the tribeca neighborhood. We have breaking news in delaware where officials have just recovered another suspicious device that was being addressed to former vicepresident joe biden. At the same time we know theres other things going on, packages were in los angeles, in maryland and now we find something could be developing in delaware. That brings the number of confirmed suspicious packages discovered to ten since monday. As the nation was waking up to the news, this is what the president was thinking, and we, quote, a very big part of the capital a anger we see today in our society is caused by the purposely false and inaccurate reporting of the Mainstream Media that i refer to as fake news. It has gotten so bad and hateful that it is beyond description. Mainstream media must clean up its act. Fast. More on that later on in this broadcast, but here is what we know about these latest packages. The one addressed to deniro was sent to the Lower Manhattan building where his restaurant and offices are located. Then two more found in postal facilities in wilmington and newcastle, delaware, both addressed to biden. Investigators say they now believe all the packages were sent through the mail. They say some were postmarked. Investigators also say all the devices appear to be made with 1inch diameter pvc pipe and filled with explosive powder. Broken glass apparently has been added as shrapnel, and electric circuit apparently a timer was taped to the side although its exact function isnt yet known. None of the bombs detonated and investigators say they now believe some of them were unable to, and they are treating them all, however, as potentially deadly. We have to treat them as, as live devices. This is a protocol that our bomb squad people use and it keeps everybody safe. Tonight the secretary of homeland security, kirstjen nielsen, interviewed at the southern border for a fox news broadcast, weighed in on the investigation with this. Any threat of violence cannot be tolerated by this country. The way we look at this at dhs, we have expanded our efforts. Hate is hate, violence is violence. This is a clear attempt to undermine our democracy and our democratic processes. So we cant stand for it. There has been considerable discussion about whether the president s incendiary rhetoric and his attacks may be linked to the series of mailings. So far theyre all critics the president and targets of the president. Today the White House Press secretary was asked if trump planned to make any changes. Is he going to stop insulting the people who received these bombs . Look, the president is going to continue to layout the contrast between democrats and republicans and if youll let me finish ill answer it. The president is going to continue to lay out the case and the differences between democrats and republicans. Americans have a choice to make and hes going to lay that out. And just a few hours ago, one of the intended recipients of todays packages had this to say. My hope is this recent spat of, who knows exactly what they were, these pipe bombs being mailed, might wake everybody in my business up a little bit and realize that we have to, we have to begin to put this country back together again. This division, this hatred, this ugliness [ applause ] it has to end. Words matter. Joe biden in buffalo, new york tonight. Lets bring in our lead off panel for a thursday evening. Chuck rosenburg, former cia official, also happens to be a former u. S. Attorney. U. S. Attorney with both the Eastern District of new york and Southern District of new york, and eli stokols back with us, White House Reporter for the l. A. Times. Good evening and welcome to you all. Chuck, when you add this up, two president s, a vicepresident , secretary of state, first lady, member of congress, an attorney general, sooner or later someone at the white house might start treating this as a more serious matter. How would you approach and how do you think investigators are approaching this case . Well, i can assure you, brian, that investigators are treating this as a very serious matter. Lots of resources are being dedicated to the forensic examination of the devices. And what i call the street examination. Talking to people who may have seen something or somebody, following up leads that come in from the public, looking at tips. Theres a lot of folks working on this right now, and i do want to mention one agency that doesnt get a lot of credit, but should, folks in federal Law Enforcement know that the postal inspection service, the federal criminal arm of the postal service, the men and women who carry badges and guns and investigate crimes against postal workers, and Crimes Involving stuff mailed through our postal system. Theyre a terrific agency, and i am sure that they are integrally involved in this investigation, brian. Chuck, ive heard that repeatly from people like yourself who worked with them in the federal government. Ive long maintained that sending an nfl 50 cents to honolulu is a great bargain of the world. 6000 postal employees, yet this service, most civilians would never have any cause to know exist. They really wouldnt. You almost have to be part of the federal Law Enforcement community. I was a prosecutor to know about them. I had the privilege of working cases with them. They are like atf or dea agents. Highly trained, professional, and very, very good at what they do. If a case like this one involves something being september through the mail, theyre the folks you want to turn to. Of course, this means, Barrett Berger, these have all passed through the postal system putting a lot of those employees unknowingly at risk. You investigated some bombing cases, i know, during your time with the Eastern District. I dont want this to be taken wrong. We have a perverse blessing in this case. We have a lot of evidence and a lot of hardware. We have a lot of these parcels intact. Right, which is an amazing tool for Law Enforcement at this point. They can, as chuck was mentioning, they can look at the forensics, they can look at dna, but they can also look at the actual devices themselves. Were fortunate they didnt go off so they can look at all of the underlying materials involved with this. The investigation we had in our case, the wrotebe bombers used Hydrogen Peroxide and acetone to create this. The fbi was able to go track down receipts and surveillance videos from these Beauty Supply stores that our wouldbe bombers were shopping at. Thats how sort of in the weeds they could get based on knowing what materials the bombers would want for this. So i imagine the fbi is going to be doing the exact same thing here. And no matter how careful this bomb maker, theyre covered in scotch tape. Thats kind of a dna magnet. If a fragment of hair, a couple of skin cells can fell out into these parcels, thats a lead. That is exactly right. This is a treasure trove of evidence for Law Enforcement officials at this point. Eli stokols, lets talk about how seriously this white house has been taking it. You heard me when you sum it up and list these officials including but not limited to two of our former president s, the president had a chance to mention their names in his rally last night, took a pass. Is there a disconnect between how shaken up some folks are in these major cities where this has happened, and the white house view of this . There certainly seems to be, brian. The president hasnt mentioned these people by name. The targets of these explosive devices. As far as we know, he hasnt called any of them to share his concerns and make sure that they know that the president is working on this and that the government is investigating, hasnt done any of that. And very quickly, let it be known that he believes that in all of this, the biggest victim is himself. He believes that hes being victimized by the national media. Hes blaming the media for creating a climate of division that has led to this. His press secretary, Sarah Sanders this morning, stood outside the white house and said this is really not fair to put this on the president. You didnt blame Bernie Sanders when a sanders supporter went to a baseball field and shot up a practice and ended up hitting republican congressman steve scalise. Obviously part of the reason that you dont blame Bernie Sanders for that is Bernie Sanders wasnt out there at rallies saying that the Opposition Party are the enemy of the people or the media are the enemy of the people, wasnt celebrate agviolence against reporters, saying hed like to punch protesters in the face. These are all things this president has said and given voice to. And at the end of the day, he is saying that the media is responsible for the divisiveness in this country, even though it seems that the media is reflecting and telling the story of the president and his divisiveness. But that is just not something that this president is willing to accept. Barrett, i was moving through mid town manhattan earlier this afternoon, and these days you see columns of police cars moving across town. Some of them emergency services. You dont know, but theres just a heightened tenor and tempo. Ive heard politicians call this domestic terrorism. In your view, do you think this matches the definition . I think it is domestic terrorism, absolutely. I think these were acts that were intended to intimidate, attempted to have a kee coercive effect on the political dialogue. That being said, just because something fits within the definition of domestic terrorism doesnt necessarily mean when the person or persons are apprehended they could or should be charged with terrorism offenses. There is no specific federal charge of domestic terrorism. In fact, many of the domestic terrorism cases we think about are actually charged under other types of statutes. So i dont know that it would ultimately be charged as that, but i think it would certainly fit within what we think of as the definition of domestic terrorism. Chuck, there was a real story of heroism that ememoried from this in new york last night. Robert deniro employs some retired n. Y. P. D. Detectives, one of whom was at home at 11 00 at this hour last night watching the news, saw more of the description of the package, light bulb went off. He got dressed, went to work because he had recalled seeing an envelope come into the deniro offices on tuesday. He called the bomb squad. The rest is history. Chuck, do a little profiling here. Looking at these packages and its important that they all be opened in the same place, and you dont have Different Police departments tearing them open so we can glean as much as possible. What kinds of people traditionally have done Something Like this . Well, lots of different people, from the mentally ill to, as barrett said, terrorists, and everyone in between. You have to be awfully careful here, brian, as an investigator not to try and fit your facts into any preconceived notions. You have to be open to the possibility that just about anybody can do this. And good agents and good prosecutors and barrett was one of the best, know that you go into an investigation with that open mind. So, as to that officer who remembered seeing something on television and then called the police department, chris wray put out a statement which i think is worth reiterating. If anybody sees something, even if you think its something insignificant, call. You never know what little piece of information might trigger an opening in this case. And dont wait to call. If you think you have something of value to the fbi, let them know now. Somebody somewhere must have seen something, and that is often the way that we resolve these cases. And, chuck, one of my greatiest fears is it these have been delivered and maybe theyre sitting in mail botches undiscovered or like the de niro office, they were sitting in a bin having already arrived. Absolutely. That is a danger. And, so, an extra vigilance, an extra precaution is really called for here, brian. But, again, lots of people might have seen something. And if one of those people right now is listening to your show, please call with information. That is always helpful to Law Enforcement. Eli stokols, to your point to this plot line of blaming the media, i want to run just a collection of that for you to make the point that the message is getting through, at least the republican ranks. Its the media doing what the media does, which, which is any narrative that they can twist against trump they will do so. Theres a lot of blame to go around. And, yes, i think social media and Mainstream Media has a lot to do with why we communicate like this. What we have seen the media be unprecedented in their negative coverage of this president. The president is right, lets have civility in our News Coverage, lets have fair minded News Coverage in this country and not have the bias. Eli, id like to think thus far the media have pointed out the correlation between the list of bombs and the recipients, and what they have in common is they are critics of the president and targets of the president. This would be a really good time to keep tensions down. Right. And i think targets of the president is the most important thing. I mean, maxine waters, george soros, the president a week ago at a rally insinuated george soros was potentially paying the people in the caravan, which he has made a Central Campaign issue. So, he is riling people up about this and the what aboutism you hear from the white house and on down from republicans is typical of the sort of explanations weve seen in other situations like this, where there is a lot of blame shifting and misdirection and saying, its actually the medias fault. Youre just not going to see anything different than that. There are not going to be many calls from republicans on the president to be actually unifying. The president himself at his rally in wisconsin last night kind of gave a wink and a nod to the crowd, arent i being nice right now . He was basically telling them, the calls for unity, quote, being president ial, that that was a puton, that that was an act, it was temporary. And, so, youre just not going to see republicans try to correct that because they are completely bought into what is sort of an election Season Campaign approach that is all about sowing division, driving that wedge, complaining about democrats, portraying them as a mob, and theyre not going to step back from that. They believe that its about winning and losing. The president himself measures things in terms of wins and losses. Did he regret insulting senator cruz . No, he said the other day, it worked out nicely for me because i won. Did he regret mocking Christine Blasey ford . No, he told leslie stahl, because it turned out that kavanaugh was confirmed. This is about wins and losses, not moral leadership for this president. There is an election less than two weeks. That is the focus for him, and for republicans. Youre not going to see a change. Barrett berger, one last quick word. You know the feds, how good they are at this. Do you think well get resolution, well get a suspect or suspects soon . Absolutely. This is the kind of occasion where the fbi, the Law Enforcement partners theyre working with, this is where they shine. They do incredibly well at this. They rally their national resources. Effectively, i would be shocked if we dont have somebody in custody soon. Lets not forget the folks at atf who do this for a living, of course. Another serious night on our hands. We couldnt ask for three better contributors to start off our conversation. Our thanks to chuck rosenberg, Barrett Berger and to eli stokols. Coming up for us, more split reaction from the trump team calling for unity, for peace, for harmony right before blaming the media for the nations anger. Historian Doris Kerns Goodwin is here for perspective on the days were living through. The 11th hour just Getting Started on a thursday night. Big corporations are making and just got a huge tax break. But the middle class is struggling. 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