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MSNBCW The Beat With Ari Melber September 22, 2017

Thats the policy side. In shining a victory with the word obama in it. Thats the political side. Obamacare does still hang in the balance because of that one vote. But tonight, just one. And then it would be done. Tonight Susan Collins said she is leaning against the new gop plan. She was part of theert. Lisa murkowski also up in the air. Pence now coming out with a late day plea. We cannot in good conscience abandon this cause. The American People are hurting. President trump has made clear, inaction is not an option. Let me be clear. A vote against Graham Cassidy is a vote to save obamacare. This is the biggest domestic fight of the last decade. And it hangs in the balance right now of the so look whats happening. The Trump White House is rolling out mike pence. Not the president. And thats pretty he telling. This is a president who tends to lose more senate votes than he gains and perhaps the best thing he can do for republicans on this fight tonight is disappear. Because even in a republican controlled senate, when the choice is boiled down to obamacare versus trump, obamacare has been winning. It is another reminder of how unpredictable politics is. Especially when you have a deal maker in the white house who looks box in the and stuck leading from behind. I want to bring in right now howard fineman, global director for the huffington post. This wasnt how it was supposed to be. What is happening . Well, i think there are two things happening. One on a substantive level. There are a lot of doubts about this bill. And not just from democrats. A lot of republicans dont know the details or are concerned about what impact it might have. And then politically, as you said, donald trump pounding the table rhetorically is not necessarily a winner to keep the Republican Coalition together. In the case of mccajohn mccain ive covered for decades, pounding the table is likely to drive them in the other direction which is what happened in a move that i think will kill the bill. I want to play for you, jimmy kimmel who has been in this. Not really by choice as a political matter. I think it is fascinating to see someone who came out and spoke who i think everyone knows about his child. About how Health Care Works in this country. Then gets sue it with senator cassidy who is now selling here, this thing hanging as of this hour by one vote. By a thread. Listen to jimmy kimmel talking about his qualifications in all this. A lot of people have been saying, im not qualified to talk about it. And thats true. But i think those people forget. Bill cassidy named this test after me. Am i supposed to be quiet about that . Has this back fired on senator cassidy . Well, yes, it has. Jimmy kimmel has very artfully framed this in terms of the question of preexisting conditions. In other words, who gets coverage based on whether theyre sick when they come into the program and lifetime spoeng a particular illness which is particularly apt in Jimmy Kimmels case because of his little boy. So on those two top igs, jimmy kimmel has been very effective. Last night on his show, he had senator al franken, a critic of the cassidy bill from minnesota who is very knowledgeable and stuck to those talking points. Actually, the democrats oddly enough led by jimmy kimmel, focused on the most personal, most telling and most emotional aspects of the attack. Which i think has helped. In john mccains case, this is john mccain returning to the mccain msnbc of 2000, whom i covered as the maverick. Lets pause. I want to get you on that and i have joy reid on my sbid to join us. This is not the first thing between he mccain and trump. Plus in february when trump tweeted, mccain has been losing so long, he doesnt know how to win anymore. Days later he was at that security conference in germany. Mccain firing back. This panel is going to ask us to consider whether the west will survive. In recent years, this question would invite accusations of hyperbole and alarmism. Not this year. If ever there was a time to treat this question with a deadly seriousness, it is now. The respectful implication being that the president not being serious. And then after trumps comments on charlottesville, the president wrote, he is often poorly informed. And then back to health care. Mccain famously having the last vote. There it was and there it is. I want to bring in joy reid, the host of joy a. M. Author of the new book, thanks, obama, last time he did it straight up on the floor like that. This time hes coming out earlier. Any time hes at war with john mccain, it is worse for trump. John mccain is not defending obamacare. You never heard him defend the law. He is defending the senate. One of the things has become the most broken with donald trump in the white house is the idea of the coequal branch of government behaving as anything other san supine lackeys. Theyve behaved as if theyre Donald Trumps employees and john mccain is saying were not his employees of hes defending the process. The only way donald trump wins, schumer was the only person he knew before he came to washington. The only way he wins is if the chaos forces the Republican Party to fear the base so much that they do whatever he says. He cant afford to keep alienating john mccain and yet he doesnt learn. Hes an friend have john mccain and mccain owns him nothing. You make the point that it is not necessarily obamacare being defended. It is the actual constitutional being in charge. I dont know if you know the jamaican saying, we run things, things dont run we. The thing, donald trump has exploded a lot of norms. One of the most alarming things about him being president is that it does call into question what are the institutions are strong enough. At some point the American People need the coequal branch of government down the street to stand up and be a coequal branch of government to rein him in. The strongest argument democrats have is that republicans are unwilling to do it. Theyre unwilling to be the senate and the house. They have decided to be lackeys. To be employees. John mccain is the one guy saying, no, we dont want to be lackeys. Thats not a lot for they on hang their hats on. John mccain is not on any side. Hes probably on Lindsey Grahams side of the will unless the institution works, ill not playing along. So interesting as you point out. This goes to whether republican fan fiction can be governable or not. This is example of not. I want to put up on the screen Jimmy Kimmels response. Hes been all over this debate. He writes, jimmy kimmel says thank you, senator john mccain, for being a hero again and again and now again. Howard as mentioned, youve covered him a long time. Walk us through the kind of leadership were seeing here from john mccain today. Well, i covered his 2000 campaign which was the best mccain. That was john mccain saying that he was for bipartisanship. That he was searching for consensus. Even while he was running as a maverick and an outside here wanted regular order in a way. And to follow up on what joy was saying, the interesting thing is he was mr. Maverick in the context of mr. Trumps washington. What hes arguing is tradition. Dont forget, john mccain is third or fourth generation navy. His father was an admiral. His grandfather was an admiral. He has a sense of the continuity of the constitution and service in america. It is that above all that motivates his distaste and disdain for donald trump. And the feeling between the two of them is mutual. They are barely in the same world. And the mccain msnjohn mccain y today is the mccain of 2000. As he faces the illnesses and the battles he faces now, i think he is consciously seeking to recapture the energy and the emotion and the best of himself politically that he saw in that earlier campaign. And thats all the politics and the relationships. We have david here. I want to play something from one of your colleagues, josh earn aest. He is a much better communicator than you. He is a writer, youre a talker. Just messing with you. In one blizzard last night, where i was watching last night. I was glued to my tv screen. All the facts you were unfu unfurling. Put the personalities aside. He talks about where people and Companies Involved in health care are on this new trump care bill. Take a listen. It seems that every single group that is in any way involved in providing health care to americans opposes this bill. Hospital executives oppose it because it is bad for hospitals. Doctors oppose i had because it is bad for doctors. Patient advocates oppose it because it is bad for patients. Hes arguing everyone in health care hates trump care. Thats right. You have the Republican Party and donald trump saying, we want to Rip Health Care away from 20 Million People because we dont like barack obama very much. Thats what it boys down to. It is not the care part. It is the obama part. Theres a reason why obamacare is now at 54 popularity. We would have loved that when we were in the white house. And Graham Cassidy is at 24 . This makes no political sense or policy sense of the. Howard fineman. Thank you for being here and reflecting on reporting history. Joy, stay with me. I want to ask you, if you could interview anyone on your show, who would it be . Thats warning. And we have some other really important breaking news. This just came into the newsroom. The federal government identifying for the first time the 21 states interfered with there elections. 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This is the first time the Trump Administration informed them they were targeted by russia. We are of course ten months after the election this may be tense for some individuals. The authorities are doing this to help address potential hacking in the future. Meanwhile, some trump aides receiving out to head hunters. Surveillance surveillance. Is trump noticing the heat . We ran the numbers and signs point to yes. Trump had been tweeting about a dozen times a month about russia in early sull cher felt the five in august. Then nothing. Trump went over a month. 38 days without tweeting about russia. And given his usual rate of tweeting, that suggests his lawyers were hurting himself with his tweets. A tweet diet is like any diet. The test is time. Anyone can diet for an hour. Ill go sometimes would hours without a cinnamon roll. A month is harder. For trump, we see 38 days was his breaking point. As he picked up this Facebook News to slam the russia hoax today. Trump may reveal more than he intends. Is there something about facebook and that issue that struck too close to home . It violates the advice that Richard Nixon gave to ronald reagan. Dont ever comment on the irancontra matter again. Have instructions issued to all white house staffers and administration spokesmen again that they must never answer any question on or off the record about that issue in the future. That may be good advice if you can follow it. Y you look at the authorities. Is there any good reason it should take ten months . I dont think so. Certainly, there can be reasons that you would want to protect sources and methods. But a warning should have been given to the states that they needed to take action to protect themselves and the citizens of their state in the future. Theyre in a race against time. We have elections of the here we have an election coming up in march. Voters in this state want to know, is there vote going to count . Is it going to be tampered with . Ill sure it is all the same across the country. It will be up to state and local governments to step up and make sure that this matter is investigated and that the systems are protected. So they can assure the citizens it wont happen again. Point this is now, friday night. Ten months later. And the feds say to the states individually, i can you might have heard 21. Instead of just guessing and wondering, were going to help you out now. Im going to read from this. Department of Homeland Security saying earlier this year hit evidence of russian activity but they fade to inform individual states whether they were thes one targeted. State officials finally contacted today, friday. One might deep it suspicious of the that they wasted no time deciding to launch a 50state scheme to collect the private data of voters so they could stop fictional voter fraud because they wanted to prove that somehow donald trump really did win the popular vote and there were millions of fraudulent voters. They wasted no time impanelling a commission with known vote suppression experts on it. That didnt take any time at all. But dhs which was headed by the chief of staff, they couldnt get around to letting them know until this late in the game when theres another election coming up. Chat control of the house and senate, meaning control of the committees that could pose a threat to this administration on the russia investigation, it took they will this long to get around to it so states could prepare . One might deep that odd and suspicious. That might elicit the order of the i havent heard a good doefs why this would take ten months. We know how that works. They have all the deadlines, super urgent. Theyve got interesting priorities. And again, they are the people who been fitted from russian interference last time. They might have, even wanted to be more proactive. There is an old question. Who benefits . We dont just do jamaican things. I was getting ready. Eye going to ask you the question. Im going to ask about the other big news. This focus on Paul Manafort. This may be bad for him without being as bad for trump. Depending on your theory of the case. Take a look at jeremy bash. It is possible that russia actually sent and dispatched Paul Manafort to the campaign. Or least once he attached himself to the campaign, them our agent is on the inside. Are you saying it is possible theyll want to find out if manafort was a russian plant . Is that one of the questions theyll try to answer . Absolutely. Wow thats really something. That would definitely be a primary purpose of the counter tension aspect. On the criminal side of it, which i know a lot of people are focused on, and as a former federal prosecutor, i will. I would say that would be explosive evidence that probably would not be admitted into a trial unless it was highly relevant. They would not be focused on the issues that matter for the particular crimes are charged. To me, one thing we found out this week from the New York Times is that manafort is something that more intends to charge and hes told manafort that. Exactly that. One thing we saw this week is that both ty cobb, the president s lawyer, and Vice President pence, distanced themselves from Paul Manafort and i thought that was very interesting. What we saw for the first time is that the allegations had gotten so explosive, and i think it was right after the reporting of him offering special access to a russian billionaire, that now hes not somebody you want to keep in the fold. I would be telling my client, you need to be thinking about that. And it is clear. Only when asked about a potential secret spy goes right into the evidentiary ruling and a potential trial. Deep into the boring part of law school. Thats why we love your expertise. Theyre telling me im way overtime. That happens with great guests. If could you interview anyone on your show, who would it be . I would go for Hillary Clinton. Would you go for Hillary Clinton in. I would. That was the answer. Joy he reids show, tomorrow, 10 00 a. M. Well tune in. Thank you for joining us. Im taking this with me. Is that cleared . We have to ask. Thank you both. I appreciate it. Nothing uglier, up next, than a breakup. Had but alas, ten months later, the swamp, its trying to hijack this presidency of the you always pay your insurance on time. Tap one little bumper and up go your rates. What good is having insurance if you get punished for using it . For drivers with accident forgiveness, Liberty Mutual wont raise your rates due to your first accident. 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