Hands of the federal bureau of investigation. What counts now more than anything is what the bureau comes up with on the nominee. Did he engage in the conduct of which the several women accusers said he did . Was he a heavy drinker who becomes belligerent when intoxicated. A week from now we should know or know more of the answers. That Dramatic Development came after senator jeff flake of arizona threatened to vote no on kavanaughs nomination, unless allegations of Sexual Assault and misconduct against kavanaugh were investigated by the fbi. I would be only comfortable moving forward on the floor, ill move it out of the committee, but i will only be comfortable moving on the floor until the fbi has done more investigation than they have already. This country is being ripped apart here, and weve got to make sure that we do Due Diligence. In a statement, judge kavanaugh wrote throughout this process ive been interviewed by the fbi. Ive done a number of background calls directly with the senate, and yesterday i answered questions under oath about every topic the senators and their counsel asked me. Ive done everything theyve requested and will continue to cooperate. According to nbc news, the drama this morning unfolded as senator flake and chris coons and other senators huddled negotiating the terms. There they are. Another key republican, senator Lisa Murkowski of alaska was involved in the talks via phone. And on his way to the hearing, senator flake was confronted. This was a real moment to remember, by two Sexual Assault survivors. I was sexually assaulted, nobody believed me i didnt tell anyone, and youre telling all women that they dont matter, that they should just stay quiet because if they tell you what happened to them, youre going to ignore them. You are allowing someone who is unwilling to take responsibility for own actions in the higher court of the country and to have the role of repairing the harm that has been done in this country to many people. Senator flake was asked if that moment affected him. I think everything that i have seen and viewed and experienced in the last couple of weeks has had an impact, its been everything. Majority leader Mitch Mcconnell has no obligation, of course, to honor this commitment but was forced to oblige as other republicans joined senator flakes positions. Senators murkowski, collins, mansion and heitkamp endorsed the move to have the fbi further investigate and all of them are seen as pivotal undecided votes when it comes to judge ka kavanaughs nomination. Heres what senator murkowski had to say. How do you feel about what has been agreed to . I think it was a good step today. Joining me capitol hill correspondent, kasie hunt, Michelle Goldberg of the new york times, u. S. Congressman of pennsylvania and paul butler former federal prosecutor and msnbc analyst. What a day, i think he started today saying hes going to vote i to get it out of committee. A lot of things happened. Tell me how the sequence worked that led to this over time in the game, if you will . Chris, it was really remarkable. We in the morning got this statement from jeff flake that said im going to vote for judge kavanaugh, and we all thought, you know, that was potentially that. That was potentially going to put more pressure on these other republican senators who were still on the fence. We thought the hearing was going to go forward. The mood was going to remain con ten, contentious. Something changed. That elevator confrontation happened as he was on his way to the committee room. Reporters told chris coons that the statement had been put out, and coons became visibly emotional. Hes not a guy who typicalip sw. He used swear words in a tone that was more sad than angry. That was what proceeded what then played out in the hearing room. They were in there for hours. It started at 9 30. We didnt have an outcome until after 1 30, this was about a personal relationship between two people who have served together in the senate. It was with the cameras off, and it was because they trusted each other that jeff flake could trust what senator coons was saying, and that kind of an interaction, that kind of trust, that has been missing from the senate, and from the congress more broadly, and that is what is breaking it. If you think about the outside political forces, and weve seen a lot of this this week, the political tribalism, the way the bases in each party enforce the koerds that they have, and i have interested to see what kind of reception coons and flake receive from people on their respective sides over the course of the next week. That is forcing people to never do things like this. Instead you have people i mean, Susan Collins had to get driven out of the capitol in a police car because there are people that have been threatening her in a way that makes her feel very uncomfortable. This is a moment in our politics where people have to decide what kind of people do you want running this country. Do you want people doing what jeff flake and senator coons did today or do you want people acting differently. I think its something were all going to have to grapple with as this process unfolds. I can hear in your voice your concern on our republic, i hope this does turn the tide against this evil incivility thats going on. I think it does meet some of the demands of the people who criticized this nomination. The fbis a pretty Good Organization with a lot of resources. It can get a lot done in a week. Thank you very much for that reporting. Lets go to Michelle Goldberg whos written beautifully about this with passion. Do you think this will i mean, i do. Ill make the case. The fbis got a lot of people. They can put 50 people down in rehoboth or dewey beach down there and find this character, and they can even get him on the record if they spend enough time with him. The same with the people who may have been at the party, all the people that made this woman who went to high school in ghaithers fwur ghaithersburg, the woman in new york, ramirez. It does seem theyve got the fire power to find out a good percentage of the truth about this guy. Your thoughts, michelle . I think thats right, and i think that thats why this came as tiss i mean, this came as profound relief to me because what Christine Blasey ford, what the democrats have been asking for has not been that radical, right . Theyve been asking for an fbi investigation. Theyve been asking for at least the at least a process as decent as anita hill got, which is now remembered as a national shame, and so i think that, yes, there are a lot of leads. Its been crazy the way yesterday was presented as he said she said when by all acknowledgments there is another witness, another witness that Christine Blasey ford identified as being in the room. Two more. Wanted to be subpoenaed. Wanted the fbi to interview, and people are acting as if there is no way to get at the truth of what happened 36 years ago when as you said there are a lot of different leads that you can follow, and thats what shes been asking for all along. In following up, it seems like its not too hard to crack the case made by the nominee. If there was a party, and they know he was there and he denies it, thats a problem. If he is shown to be in public a man who drinks too much and gets belligerent and he said i hardly drink at all. It seems to me that he could be caught in a perjury trap pretty easily if the fbi goes out there and really does the job. To me one of the questions Going Forward is if they dont find anything definitive on the Sexual Assault, whether it will matter the sort of smaller lies that he told while he was testifying. Yes, the small lies. That are almost dhefinitely he was almost certainly dishonest about his drinking record, talking about how he never blacked out when many classmates said otherwise. He seemed to be dishonest about the meaning of certain sexual n innuendo in his yearbook, slang in his yearbook. There were plenty of times he could have been frank ask admitted he was a jerky high school student, and instead he put forward this image of a choir boy. I feel like all of that is going to be shown quickly to be untrue. The question is whether that will be definitive when the Senate Finally votes on this. Two women have accused Brett Kavanaugh and his friend mark judge of sexual misconduct. At parties when they were younger. Yesterday under oath dr. Ford accused kavanaugh of assaulting her while judge looked on, an allegation hes denied. And as a central figure mr. Judge was never called to testify to speak to the fbi, not yet. I think hes going to have his day. Dr. Ford was asked if she would like to see that happen. Would you like mark judge to be interviewed in connection with the Background Investigation and the serious credible allegations that youve made . That would be my preference. Im not sure its really up to me, but i certainly would feel like i could be more helpful to everyone if i knew the date that he worked at the safeway so that i could give a more specific date of the assault. With the investigation reopened now as of today, judge through his lawyers said he would cooperate with any Law Enforcement agency thats assigned to confidentially investigate these allegations. What does that mean . It seems it oto me hes a firg in this case, and hes saying i want to be confidential . Thats not going to happen. The bureau will do 302s that will go to the senators and the president. Once theyre completed. The fbi is going to be looking at witnesses, corroborating information, and assessing the credibility of kavanaugh. With witnesses you have someone you never have in a Sexual Assault case, you have an eyewitness. They have to talk to mark judge. Yes, his lawyers submitted a letter, but when youre sitting in a room with two or three Law Enforcement agents skilled in the art of interrogation, thats a different story. Corroborating evidence, dr. Ford has a very specific memory of that house. Its layout, the rooms. She says she doesnt know the address. Fbi agents will drive her around the neighborhood to see if she can locate it, and as michelle alluded to whether he is credible, whether judge kavanaugh has told the truth under oath to the senate. Among other things he said hed never been to any party like the one that dr. Ford described. I dont think anybody believes that. Again, when the senate is confronted with fbi statements about little lies that judge kavanaugh told time after time, they will have a decision to make. What about the woman who was at the Party Downstairs . Another witness to the occasion who would remember the occasion, i think. Again, theres literal a lot of people who they could talk to, including people who have come up in the other investigations because they have or the other allegations because they have consistent statements. So for example, Michael Avenattis client, he says that, yes, this was a man who was frequently drunk, and he watched a woman be sexually assaulted im sorry, mark judges girlfriend during college has the same story. She doesnt place judge kafr gn judge kavanaugh there. Mark judge told her about a experience he had in college or high school in which a woman was sexually assaulted with a bunch of guys walking. They have lie detector tests and guess what, the d. C. Circuit in 2016 decided a case when someone was complaining about Law Enforcement using lie detector tests, they said it wasnt credible. The d. C. Circuit said theyre credible for Law Enforcement agents to use in criminal investigations and background checks. The guy who wrote that opinion, his name is judge Brett Kavanaugh. Thats relevant. Let me go to congressman ryan castol of pennsylvania. Thanks for joining us. I have to tell you it was if not a profile in courage by the senator in arizona, but it did show that one lawmaker like yourself can make a big difference when the big shots are in a hole . Well, i thought kasie was right on point in terms of needing people in the middle and anchoring things from trust and friendship, and i do applaud senator coons and senator flake for doing that because while ive always been reluctant to say we needed an additional fbi investigation because thats for a thats for confidential investigative techniques, to me mark judge holed up in row hoe bath or wherever he was didnt make much sense, and i thought it was terrible optics, and i do think for someone such as senator collins, senator myrrh c murkowski, senator flake, they tend to always reflect a real consciousness and independence and be able to explain how theyre going to vote to the other side in a way that even if they dont agree with the vote, even if they might be reluctant to want to agree, they still respect the procedure and pattern by which they got there. I think what senator flake did today is going to really outrage the right because the base is with Lindsey Graham on this. The base is outraged by what they feel is bad faith by democrats, but i think a lot of the country looked at dr. Ford and said at minimum something happened to her, i have chills saying this, that dramatically changed her life that was very, very wrong, and i also think a lot of people saw judge kavanaugh and said i think he is telling the truth, but i also dont think that i think he was probably paying more attention to beer parties than church in high school and thats where i think his testimony was a little i think hes going to to the point that someone just mentioned a second ago, as we get into the next week, some of those nonsexual misconduct type things may creep up. Yeah, i think a lot of it has to do with drinking and the way different people react to too much beer, and were going to learn a lot about this guy in a week. I have a lot of faith in the fbi. Theyve got thousands of people to deploy here. Theres only ten people weve mentioned they have to talk to certainly, certainly on the record jotting down everything they say. Thank you Michelle Goldberg, great writing as always. And paul butler my friend, thank you. President trump praised kavanaughs performance yesterday, what does he think about the delay in the judges confirmation . Plus, what kind of Supreme Court justice would kavanaugh make if he were to end up on the highest court . Do you like the show he put on yesterday . Senator klobuchar, he said what about you, do you ever black out yourself . This is the good news, arizona senator took the stand today forcing the republicans to allow an fbi investigation into the allegations against brett kafr gn kavanaugh. Who knows whos going to come forward, who knows what the fbi is going to get under oath. Let me finish with dr. Blasey fords powerful testimony yesterday about guys laughing at her as they tortured her basically. This is hardball, where the action is. Action is. 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Less than a week . Its a week. Two days ago the president said an fbi investigation wouldnt have mattered. Trump said hed defer to the senate but was steadfast in his support of kavanaugh. I think it will work out very well for the country. I just want it to work out well for the country. If that happens, im happy. Have you thought at all about a replacement for judge kavanaugh . Not even a little bit. Not even a little bit. Senior White House Correspondent pbs news hour and tony tony schwartz, coauthor of the art of the deal. Youre a trump watcher, how does he like the fact that hes no longer calling the shot . This was decided by flake who forced the Senate Committee to make the decision. Basically said to the president , you want my vote, give me an fbi investigation for one full week. Its been bizarre this week because trump in the midst of all of this has seemed jaunty and jowly. I suspect he thought it was a lock and he was