Described the attack on that reporter by gianforte. Quote, gianforte grabbed jacobs by the neck with both hands and slammed him sbot ground behind him. He began yelling something to the effect of im sick and tired of this. The reporter works for the guardian they responded to trumps comments saying to celebrate an attack on a journalist who is simply doing his job is an attack on the First Amendment by someone who has taken an oath to defend it. In the aftermath of the murder of Jamal Khashoggi it runs the risk of inviting other assaults on journalists here and across the world. The White House Correspondents Association weighed in saying quote, all americans should recoil from the president s praise for a violent assault on a reporter doing his constitutionally protected job. We should never shrug at the president cheerleading for a violent act. Here to discuss the days developments, mike schmidt, Matt Michelle obamaer, former chief spokesman at the Justice Department, Jennifer Rubin and former Senior Adviser to the dnc. Theres such fatigue to the all the obliterating of norms and niceties and customs, but theres a tone deafness to this one. This isnt just a story about the obliteration of norms and what president s normally do when a journalist is murdered abroad. This is about being oblivious to the moment in which his white house finds itself. His white house right now is fielding questions about what our intelligence agencies had collected about the saudis plan to detain Jamal Khashoggi, and the president sort of has a shifting story at the moment about his views on all that. It is a despicable thing for a president of the United States to say at any time. It is an especially despicable thing for him to say at this time, when it seems that one of our allies has dismembered a member of the press in a consula consulate, and our president S Administration is seeming to help them cover it up or at least is giving them the time and space to cover it up. It also is a hypocritical thing for donald trump to say. He talks about law and order all the time. Greg gianforte is a criminal. He lied about it and only admitted it after the fox producer gave her account and after the reporter himself, ben jacobs released the audio tape that showed he was actually beaten up by this congressman. It goes back to something donald trump has done for a long time. You only have to go back to his rallies during the campaign when he was saying to his supporters to beat the hell out of protesters and that he would pay their legal bill is if they did. He has no respect for the free press. He has no respect for anyone whos not a supporter of him. He is hostile to any of these values that are kind of longheld american traditions. I went back and looked at what president obama said and did when james foley was murdered. I went back and looked at george bushs remarks when danny pearl died, and its instructive whenever we wonder or despair over the fact that weve gone so far from who we were not 50 years ago, but four, eight, ten years ago. Lets watch. Those who would engage in criminal barbaric acts need to know that these crimes only hurt their cause and only deepen the resolve of the United States of america to rid the world of these agents of terror. May god bless daniel pearl. The world is shaped by people like jim foley, and the overwhelming majority of humanity who are appalled by those who killed him. The United States of america will continue to do what we must do to protect our people. We will be vigilant, and we will be relentless. When people harm americans anywhere, we do whats necessary to see that justice is done. So just take that and compare it to, i mean, i thought the most riveting thing about trumps performance last night was that he actually acted out the act of body slamming a journalist. Right. You know, seeing those two president s it almost makes you cry. Its not a matter of being a democrat. Its not a merit atter of being republican. It is being a person who is charged with protecting the American People, protecting our values, protecting our norms, and here he is encouraging twobit thuggery not only around the world but here at home, and i think youre right, matt. Its not only a tone deafness, its just a complete failure of leadership. He does not understand what his role is. Ive got to say, im a little surprised today i havent heard more from the democrats. Yes, were in a campaign, yes they want to talk about health care and other things, but where is the solid voice of condemnation from the democrats. Ive learned to expect nothing from the republicans, thats we know, but democrats where are you guys . Let me add, Chuck Schumer was on morning joe saying theres too much Political Correctness out there. Im sure it wasnt in the context of this incident. Where are the democrats . Well, i mean, look, i actually think to your point i am surprised that republicans havent said more because republicans have been saying for the last month or so theyve been calling democrats an angry mob, that were trying to incite violence, that weve sort of hurt the civility in politics, and now you turn around and youve got the leader of the party saying these types of things and republicans havent said anything. The republicans arent going to say anything because theyve bought this. Theyre done. And youve got someone here whos one of the strongest voices on everything thats wrong with that. Forget about the republicans. Theyre not going to condemn this conduct. Theyre in on it. I just want to point out, though, that you cant have it both ways with them where theyre now lecturing we get that. The democrats need to stand up. I think democrats have been standing up for a range of issues, particularly freedom of the press. Theyve been calling out donald trump for all of the things he said about basically the media being the enemy of people, enemy of this country. This is not just a i hate the fact that this is a democratic problem. This is a problem were not calling it a democratic problem. Were acknowledging its a republican problem. We have breaking news, donald trump was just asked if he regrets anything about those comments. He does not, surprise, surprise. As we wait for the results of the investigation, do you regret bringing up last night at your rally the assault on a reporter by a congressman . No, no, not at all. Different world. That was a different league, a different world, no, hes just a great guy, and hes, you know greg very well, right . That was a tremendous success last night in montana, and greg is a tremendous person. And hes a tough cookie, and ill stay with that. So you interviewed the president yesterday before he headed to montana for that rally. This is sort of classic trump that weve all become accustomed to. Doubling down. Its hard not to see this as part of a larger thing hes trying to do. The biggest thorns in his side are the press and mueller. He tries to delegitimize both of them, undermine both of them. If hes going to be successful and he believes that impeachment is a problem, he has to continue to undermine both of them, and thats when he goes soout and ds that. I dont know if its that calculated, but it plays right into that. He believes Public Opinion will determine whether he gets into real trouble if the democrats take control. I want to ask about your interview. He talked to you about khashoggi, and you guys reported a subtle shift from rogue killers did it to maybe my guy in saudi arabias in trouble . Yeah, but the president not wanting to go any further than that. This is a president who makes why not . He makes snap judgments on a lot of things. Hell say a lot of things very quickly, but similar to how he deals with russia, hes being very calculated here. He doesnt want to go any further than he has to. Hes very disciplined about his messaging on this, and thats just something to take note of. He usually does that when he thinks hes in trouble. The only time he exercises caution is when he thinks hes in trouble. Do you think there are concerns about what Jared Kushner was talking to mbs about in the early day of this crisis . To michaels point about delegitimizing, thats why you have seen this disgusting, despicable campaign to try to call jamal a terrorist or a Muslim Brotherhood person as if frankly any of you justifies this horrendous act, but secondly to misrepresent his views entirely. Let me stay with you, let me read to our viewers a piece from that reporting. Conservatives mount a Whisper Campaign smearing khashoggi in defense of trump. Hard lines republicans are mounting a whispering campaign against Jamal Khashoggi designed to protect President Trump from criticism from his handling of the alleged murder by operatives of saudi arabia and support trumps continued aversion to a forceful support to the oil rich desert kingdom highlighting hs z youth and raising questions. They said he isnt even a journalist. He was killed for being a journalist. He has been working for journalistic outlets, being chased from his own country for being a journalist. This is sick and depraived. This is how they think. Donald trump wont be in as much trouble if we make it a little less trouble that we had this journalist killed and dismembered. Thats the kind of mindset. I want to Say Something else as well. There are Foreign Policy people who should know better, who realize that their Foreign Policy, the antiiran Foreign Policy. People have been very strong on encouraging trump to back out of the jcpoa. These people know their policy is in shambles right now. They are spinning their wheels, just like he is. Are you talking about john bolton, pompeo . Who are you talking about. All of the above. Expecting giving them a free hand in yemen, excepting them to take care of a lot of the iran policy on their own that now theyre sort of at a loss. The apple cart has been overturned and it turns out low and behold, transactional Foreign Policy does not work. This is what happens. They act in ways that are contrary to our values, and the American People wont stand for it. Right now they have a total mess on their hands. It is a problem of their own making, and they have got to figure out how they navigate through this issue but more importantly what they do about a larger middle east policy, which really leaves us with now friends. Weve alienated the europeans. Good luck trying to figure out a coherent policy on this. The stuff thats gone on here is theres a larger implication when the president says it. This is something that the publisher of the times has said in conversations with us. When trump goes out there and does things like this, talks like this about a journalist, if youre a foreign leader, you say, well, if donald trump, the leader of the free world, whatever he you know. Whatever he is. Whatever, is out saying these things, then why cant i do what i want to do with the press . If the country that has based itself on the First Amendment on a free press has their president saying that, why cant i do what i want to . He says it so often, watch. The poor guy, youve got to see this guy. I dont know what i said, i dont remember. 70 , 75 is absolute dishonest, absolute scum. Remember that, scum. Like this sleazy guy right over here from abc. Hes a sleaze in my book. Youre a sleaze. A few days ago i called the fake news the enemy of the people, and they are. They are the enemy of the people. She starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions, and you know, you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever. You had many people in that group other than neonazis and white nationalists, okay . And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. These are really, really dishonest people, and theyre bad people, and i really think they dont like our country. I really believe that. By sleepy eyes chuck todd. Hes a sleeping son of a bitch, ill tell you. Are you considering thank you very much. Stupid question. Those were all attacks on the u. S. Press. To mikes point, i mean, they see that around the world . They see it around the world, and people see it at home too. There is a real effect here, too. There is a darkness that has descended on the Republican Party. The Republican Party has been attacking the press for years. Trump has accelerated it in a way you couldnt imagine. You see candidates up and down the ballot attacking the press. Greg gianforte wouldnt have been reelected right after he body slammed a reporter in a normal time. He was elected because donald trump was delegitimizing. A normal president would have disparaged him and the committees in washington would have cut off fubnds to his campaign. Donald trump has run around telling people that you shouldnt believe the press and the press are fake news. One of the things thats most concerning about longterm effects. You talk about norms that hes shattered. Norms change. They move. He has changed the norms, at least for a certain percentage of the population. When we talk about this isnt normal, there are people, kids who are growing up who think this is normal. Do you get a sense in talking to him yesterday that his degree of concern around the khashoggi issue, that he sees any connection to this conversation or is he totally detached from the effect of his own words . About the way he speaks about the media . Speaks about journalists and the closeness of saudi arabia. Theyre not just any ally. Theyre his closest ally in the region. I think he was very impressed by saudi arabia and the way they treated him when he went over there. That really showed him that they cared about him and the relationship with him. They flattered him. He felt the same way when he went to china. Those two things mean a lot to him in those relationships. Is there a larger connection to the press here . I dont think so. Is he offended and is he moving on khashoggi because of the brutality of the murder, or does he think the mbs is just getting too much bad press . Im not sure. I just think the white house found itself finally in a place yesterday where there was an overwhelming amount of media attention, overwhelming amount of intelligence pointing in one direction, and they realized they had to start to head in that way or it would continue to be a bigger problem for them. And to drop the rogue killers. Thank you for spending time with us. From body slams and fbombs, brand new reporting about the fire works inside the white house yesterday between two of the president s closest aides. And being beto. How the texas Senate Candidate is making america feel great again. And Paul Manafort now a cooperating witness in the mueller probe, all those stories still coming up. Fridge, weather. Clear skies and 75. Trash can, turn on the tv. My pleasure. Ice dispenser, find me a dog sitter. Okay. And make ice. Pizza delivered. Whats happened to my son . I think thats just what people are like now. 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Nbc news is reporting that the altercation arose from a dispute bolton had with kirsten nielsen. Nielsen was explaining an 80 rise in immigrants crossing the border when bolton interrupted her. Bolton said nielsen, a close kelly ally was doing a terrible job with the border and that her department was not producing needed results. Kelly ultimately stormed out of the white house early with no resolution to the issue saying im effing out of here. Nbc News National political reporter carol lee joins us on set. Just another day in paradise. Just another argument in the west wing. I worked in the west wing, and you know, im a big fan of the fword when appropriate, but i never used it around the oval office. John kelly has become kind of known for this. He has a reputation for being a bit of a hot head and has a temper, and you know, he not ideal in a chief of staff. No. An