Hard drives with terabytes of information and fbi case reports, search warrant application results and including and this could be the mothership, apple and cloud and bank records and plus numerous physical devices, including cell phones and computers and hard drives and the communications are alleged to have gone back years. All of this is what mueller is telling the court. Meanwhile stone tells reporters that he agreed they cant go to trial soon and while were hear ug all kinds of complaints from republican about the stone raid and ill get into that and Racial Disparities in the law. We know investigators were on the hunt for evidence. They say flat out they seized deere devices from his home and office to see what he knows. Tomorrow he goes back to court for the first hearing since entering the not guilty plea. I want to get right to it with nick acerman, host of the majority report radio show and contributor and user of icloud and karen ill policy who dealt with the mueller team with George Papadopoulos and you are closer than most. So i begin with you. What does it mean in plain english when mueller said i have so much evidence i need an exception to what is the federal law that you have to have a speedy trial. It is not terribly extraordinary in a complex whitecollar case for the government to ask for an exclusion under the constitution, a criminal defendant is entitled to a speedy trial and the way that is codified in the law is 70 days. 70 days from the date of the arraignment, the government should take your case to trial. And most most defendants would spend those 70 days in prison. They dont want to sit there for too long. Absolutely. Now typically if you are the defense attorney and the government, you want to exclude time under the speedy trial clock. You want extra time to review the documents because you want the best defense possible. Because youre worried about being outgunned. Yeah. It would be a boss move in the defense foreigns for roger stone said put your money from your mouth is. You brought your case knowing you had 70 days and all of a sudden you cant ask for more time. Unfortunately they are not in that position, there is too much discovery. And to your point, analysis fits with what stone said. He has been caught in many lies. We note that and when we report on. This but with regard to the evidence they have against him, which is significant, he said what you are saying. Les take a listen to the new roger stone. It said the evidence against you is voluminous and complex. Does that scare you at all . My attorneys have agreed to that. It is so voluminous and complex that a speedy trial is literally impossible. I believe that over a twoyear period, maybe even a two and a half year period, my emails, my text messages, my phone calls have been monitored. There is certainly nothing new. I have deleted nothing. I have erased nothing. I have over a million emails by my own count. What do you think of that reference to not erasing anything . Well, well see if that is true. If he did the government likely knows it. This is a guy who quoted oscar wild, the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about. I think the reasonable probably hes consenting is he wants this to draw draw out and he likes being in the public eye and the question is whether the judge will issue a gag order and shut him up. And well have an eye on that for sure. And out of the people here, only one of you has deposed roger stone himself in a watergate probe. Should we let the viewers call in on twitter. Take a guess. It is nick ackerman. Kidding. You and roger has been for a while and i mention you know him as an investigator and i mention in fairness that you are not his ally. You have been adversarial to him. And take a note of his ally, on msnbc saying they were looking for collusion evidence. What do you think theyre looking for . According to the search warrant, information regarding wikileaks, guccifer, and any collusion, that sort of thing. What do you think of that. I think that is absolutely correct. Theyve got him dead to rights on witness tampering, false statements and lying to congressional committees. But what is key are two dates in that indictment. One is july 22nd, when emails that were stolen from the Democratic National committee were released just prior to the Democratic Convention which put Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton at odds with the Democratic National committee showing that they were favoring Hillary Clinton. The second one is october 7th when within an hour after the release of the hollywood access tape, a whole series of emails related to podesta, the Campaign Manager for Hillary Clinton, were released. So these were two very strategic releases that really would have required somebody inside of the campaign to really have strategized as to exactly what they were trying to do with these emails. And i am sure that what they suspect, if they dont have evidence already, is that roger stone was coordinating with the russians and with wikileaks to put out the right emails at the right time. And another mueller witness sat at this table, in week, and said roger was trying to do that. But no one knows if he pulled it off. Does your spidey sense, your watergate and mueller spidey sense as known in legal circles, tell you they are getting close to that evidence or just dont have it. Because you cant charge what you dont have, even if you dont have it. I think they have part of the evidence but i dont think they have the full evidence. And what they do have, which roger stone didnt realize is, he thought he was using whats app and another supposedly secure email way of communicating with people, and it is quite clear from this indictment they knew precisely what he had at the time he was testifying before the house committee. This brings us to sam cedar. Let me read to you what hammed to Paul Manafort, who like stone got into hot water because muellers people said he was trying to tamper and obstruct. From plana for the, allegedly tried to hide his communications with potential witnesses usin n encrypted and whats app but prosecutors accessed the message via the icloud account. Is that the potential hole for less tech savvy wouldbe defendants. It sounds like it could be. They seem to have had at least some of the information for a while. And when you have a guy like roger stone who is already probably been writing his memoir for decades, right, the idea that hes maybe taking screen grabs of some of his exchanges, sometimes those float up into your istream. You dont realize it and you dont know what the prosecutors have. But it looks like they had some parts of a conversation or some hints that there is some other thing that exists. They come in and they want to find the original hardware to see if they could piece those things together. What does it tell you that donald trump who has had skirmishing with the investigations and law wont even touch email and has aides who are all over tech but dont seem to fully grasp it. I mean, i dont know that donald trump stayed away from things like email just because he thought he was creating a paper trail. I think it is beyond his abilities maybe. And i think to a certain extentlook, technology that is introduced when you are older is always is difficult. Hard for all of us. Exactly. I cant follow what my daughter is doing on instagram right now. And i know i should be. I wonder about the icloud part of this because so much of this is about the coverup and the obstruction and that is different from watergate. And nick, im sure youre familiar with the rapper fabulous, who said talk is cheap, free wifi. Talk is cheap unless it creates free evidence for mueller. What do you think of the fact that todays the day were being told about the terabytes and they have all of this icloud stuff. I think what theyve got is they in realtime, they must have had a court order to intercept what roger stone was doing if realtime during the time he was testifying before congress. But what they dont have are a lot of other conversations. For example, he was communicating with guccifer 2. 0 who was the first recipient of the stolen emails. The russian intelligence agent who first released a lot of the documents in june, july of 2016. So i think what theyre trying to piece together is who else was involved in this. How was he communicating with them . Who else were the people in the campaign that he was communicating with about that july 22nd dump . Who he was communicating in the campaign about how they reacted to the hollywood access tape. That is what theyre looking access hollywood. Yeah. Because there are certain things you cannot get by doing an intercept. They are looking for other indicia, and other data they could not get offer a wire. Which is fascinating given he was one of the subjects of interest, now we know a target because hes a defendant, who they never, according to public accounts, interviews. What do you think about donald trump saying last night, well, quote, i could have terminated the whole probe and i could have ended it and i chose to stay out of it. That is technically true. He is the commanderinchief, head of the executive branch and the department of justice is within the executive branch. It is it would be completely against longstanding tradition wherein the president and the Justice Department stay in their own lanes while it is technically true, i think it would be politically suicide. And that is the point. At the end of the day, much of what were talking about in regards to the president is going to be a political determination. And so it is really a question about what the republicans and the senate at this point, how much pressure theyll feel if there is a report that is released or some evidence that the president did something along the lines that are being alleged and so it were talking about a political argument. So every calculation theyre making at any given time out of the white house, at least from their perspective, is a political calculation. And i want to fit in a break. But nick, is it a good rule of thumb to say if you need to do something bad, you should do it through an encrypted app and see if they will find it or not do it. I think better just to not do it. But look at what roger stone said about why he couldnt take the fifth amendment. Because he was connected with trump. This is history repeating itself again. That is what all of the head top people close to nixon did. They couldnt take the fifth because they felt it was politically impossible to do and they all wound up not only being convicted of obstruction of justice, but also perjury. Well roger stone is one of the longest serving members of trumps Kitchen Cabinet who is now indicted. His tone has changed already and were in week one. It is fascinating. Nick ackerman and sam cedar and carolyn. 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And if we are ever late, well give you a automatic twenty dollar credit. My name is antonio and im a technician at comcast. Were working to make things simple, easy and awesome. President trump and senator Lindsey Graham and conservatives have a concern about the Mueller Probe complaining the feds were too tough in the raid of roger stone. Senator graham alleging a zubl standard and demanding the fbi address whether stone was treated more harshly than similarly charged individuals. The available facts show that stone indicted on seven counts but free on bail is not facing discrimination. Across the country, Law Enforcement commonly use hardball tactics in raised and searches and arrests and prosecutors often use the most harsh tactic getting defendants jailed before trial, to press them into pleaing. Sitting in jail before trial leads to risking losing job and extra pressure and it could literally break that. That hardball works the most on the poor. Because the bail system benefits the rich. So while the indicted former trump aides have seen bonds in the millions of dollars because of the seriousness of their charges. A higher sum than many defendants with lesser charges who face 10,000 bonds. Many of those poor defendants are stuck in jail before trial. 370,000 people jailed before trial. Because they cant afford bail. While stone and company have the money to get out. The number of ex trump aides jailed upon the first charges zero. None. In fact, one trump defendant, Paul Manafort, was later jailed but charged because of violated his bail. But none of them initially jailed on charges. And the Racial Disparity is stark. Black defendants are being detained at a rate nearly five times higher than white defendants. So while hundreds of thousands of similarly presumed innocent defendants are jailed, because they cant make bail, roger stone is walking free. Hes doing interviews. Hes even thanking republicans for criticizing the force used by the fbi. Im heartened by the fact that senator graham and the House Republicans will get to the bottom of why this show of force was necessary. But those other republicans wrote and supported the very laws that authorize how the feds arrested stone. And they havent been sympathetic to defendants and criminals. It is light compared to a double standard from donald trump who talked up, quote, unquote, tough and down right unconstitutional policing tactics against many unnamed suspects and other cases involving poor and minority defendants. This is a topic trump and stone are pushing tonight so it is worth seeing the record up close. When you see these thugs being thrown into the back of a paddy wagon, you just see them thrown in, rough. I said, please dont be too nice. They broke into the office of one of my personal attorneys, good man. And it is a disgraceful situation. Dont hit their head and theyve just killed somebody. Dont hit their head. I said, you could take the hand away, okay. I always found Paul Manafort to be a decent man. To wake him up, perhaps his family was there, i think that is tough stuff. The laws are so horrendously stacked against us. Made to protect the criminal and not the officers. He told the daily caller hes disappointed how the fbi treated roger stone and an arrest hell think about asking the fbi to review. Im joined by gelani cobb who writes about race and policing and civil rights. Thank you for being here. What do you see in this new concern from these trump people . Well, it is the disparity. When we talk about this disparity between how whites are treated and how blacks are treated, it is that encapsulation, it is that attitude. And so ive reported on this stuff. And ive been out and seen police jump out of cars and throw people in the middle of the night down face down, just on suspicion of marijuana possession. And suspicion based on geography. This person is in a neighborhood and that is why you have jumped out in the middle of the night and thrown this person down on the ground. You mentioned that just for context and weve covered those stories a lot. Lets look at some of your reporting there in that frontline piece. Lets take a look. Dont touch me, bro. Dont touch me. Hold on. [ bleep ]. Hold him. Hold him. Im not doing nothing. I swear to god all right, sir. Stop, stop. Im the other guy i didnt do nothing. Just stop, sir. Just stop. Sir, you are not under arrest. Just for your safety and our safety. Yeah, that guy was walking home from a neighborhood bar. And you were there. Yeah. Just in his community. And so when were talking about that, that kind of inkling