You need. First breaking news in the coronavirus pandemic. Just moments ago the Trump Administration ordering hospitals to bypass the cdc with key virus data. Hospitals now being told to send all covid patient information to a Central Data Base in washington. Experts fear thoould be politicized. And today several former cdc directors writing together in the Washington Post saying, quote, trying to fight this pandemic while subverting scientific expertise is Like Fighting blindfolded. Dr. Anthony fauci saying today that it is best to stick with the advice of doctors. I would stick with respected medical authorities who have a track record of telling the truth. I would say that is the safest bet to do, to listen to the recommendations from that category of people but it is entirely understandable how the public can get mixed messages and then get a bit confused about what they should do. Imagine that. Dr. Anthony fauci has to instruct us to listen to people who are telling the truth. New polling shows a majority of americans fear sending their children back to school. 71 of parents feel the risk is large or moderate while 5. 4 million americans are losing their Health Insurance this year. That is more adults becoming uninsured because of job losses than have ever lost coverage in any single year. As other countries begin to reopen, america is struggling to get this pandemic under control. I want to share what we are hearing on the front lines. Weve definitely seen a surplus this month of patients coming in covid positive and Critical Care patients, unfortunately. It seems to be over capacity. And were starting to get to a point where we see it as much worse than when it first began. All this as President Trump plans are continuing on with the rnc next month but many republicans are saying we are not going. Vanity fair out with the headline quote sad no one wants to go to trumps covid convention. So President Trump decided the convention is on but he is moving it outside. Of all places, jacksonville, florida, in august. Talk about that humidity. And the daily High Temperature could reach a whopping 91 degrees. China, former vladimir putvp joe biden and a lot more. If he makes any news at all well bring it to you live. I want to bring in our guest who oversaw the Ebola Response for t the and my other guests. Doctor, im not even going to say is it a good idea to bypass the cdc with pandemic data. We know it is not. What could it mean . What could it do . What is troubling about bypassing the cdc is not just the obvious signs but youre asking hospitals especially the ones that are the most stressed right now trying to deal with actual patient care, youre asking them to perform an additional layer of data reporting that is not going to the very agency that is set up to handle the implications of that data. So here we have yet again another sign that the administration is pretty devoted to preserving their version of how covid is going and the reality on the ground is this data, which is essential, is the very reason weve been asking questions like, well, why are communities of color disproportionately affected . What is the real icu hospitalization rate . What is the true death rate . Those are all important elements that the American Public has a right to know. The cdc even if its flawed, the solution is not to go around it but it is to actually think about the very cdc data capacity and to strengthen it. What is even more troubling is that this is coming from the White House Task force and scientists who should really be more responsible. Ron, you can hide data, but you cant change it. You cannot change the math. So what is the actual point of controlling this information . Look, i think that as the doctor said, the point is the white house wants to try to control the message and turn data into messaging as opposed to into science. I think that is what is lacking in the entire response is a science first approach. You mentioned at the top of the program, four former cdc directors both democrats and republicans we should say, a bipartisan message in the post saying the Trump Administration was putting politics ahead of the cdc. We have this horrible spectacle of white house aides attacking the president s chief Infectious Disease adviser dr. Anthony fauci. I assume the reason they want the data to come to the white house so the white house can put some kind of political veneer on the data. The fact is in the end the truth comes out and the saddest truth of all is an increasing death toll, again, from covid. The number of deaths each day coming up. There is nothing that can suppress that number. And that is really the final verdict on this administrations mismanagement of this covid response. Scott, you live in the state of florida. You taking the family to jacksonville for the rnc next month . You know, coming from florida, youre struck by what a disunited states we have. In florida record infections, some people masking, many not. Then i was in the great state of montana last week where there are 20 or 30 infections a day and youre out on a hike and you see people masking. Weve been talking a lot about the economy but the silver bullet, our secret weapon and super power to restore the economy comes down to one word. Mask. It is discouraging to see Different Levels of citizenship around the nation and to be honest as a floridian this isnt our best moment. Doctor, the rnc is going to hold this event and hold it outside. If people are wearing masks, can they stay safe . I think the key here is it is not just the masks but all of a combination of things. So far florida has not been able to demonstrate. Its masks, physical distancing, accommodations, even outside is still a risk, and having the testing infrastructure, tracing. Florida has been breaking Record Numbers every single day. 15,000 new cases. How in 24 hours. I have yet to see any objective scientific proof that they can have a large gathering, which again, indoors or outdoors is by definition one of the highest risk events by the cdc, itself. So i have zero faith that something that is the highest risk can be handled safely and would strongly encourage my own patients not to go. And then on top of that the jacksonville, Florida Hospital systems are terrified because theyre already under so much duressme duress. Why do this when it is unnecessary and purely for political messaging not for the betterment of floridians . Then talk politics with us, ron. How does any of this political messaging work . Who does it work for . In terms of trump and this convention . Look. I think that the president has shown throughout that he is just stubborn. Hes determined. Hes determined to try to make the virus disappear. I mean, the one thats been his strategy all along which is to tell us it was going away. 15 cases down to zero soon. It would disappear in april. It would disappear magically. Now basically, you know, if he cant tweet it away, he is going to go to jacksonville, florida, and persuade his supporters to just wish it away or will it away. That is the problem. That strategy hasnt worked. The things that would work, science, medicine, masking, distancing, more ppe, testing, tracing. Those are the things the president should do. Instead, it is spectacles and spin. Thats not going to get this virus under control. Scott, a few weeks ago, treasury secretary Steve Mnuchin said we are under no circumstance absolutely not shutting down our economy again. Makes no sense. We cant afford to do it. Now here we are. In california were seeing massive business shutdowns as per the governor. Were seeing it in other states as well. How crippling separate the heal and the economics. Y we couldnt afford to not shut down properly. And that is at some point were going to have to recognize the short term pain, distancing and masking and some of the protocols that the doctor outlined. If we dont do this sooner rather than later we have this drip, drip, drip. Were all firing different caliber size of squirt guns in a raging forest fire versus taking the requisite medicine and doing what many other countries have done whether south korea, germany, czechoslovakia and not only flatten this curve but crushed it. So the notion that we cant afford to shut down the economy, frankly we cant afford to not shut it down correctly for an extended period of time and put a nail in the coffin or at least flatten the curve here. The benchmark of sweden, of deciding not to distance, deciding to try and maintain the economy, what we found is infection rates and more talts are 4 to 12 x what they were in neighboring countries and they received no economic benefit. The gdp of sweden declined at the same pace. We cant afford to not close this economy. That is how we get back to a robust economy. Doctor, how worried are you from a Health Perspective with millions of americans having lost their jobs weve now got a Record Number in a single year who have lost their insurance. With so many people without insurance, does it concern you theyre not going to seek medical treatment, theyre not going to get tested, they just cant afford to . Absolutely. Not only record breaking 5 million plus people who lost Health Insurance, largest numbers weve seen in a year, but on top of that we have just an erosion of, you know, so many patients who get these surprise bills who are not able to even pay some of the deductibles. So we have proof as of now that patients have avowed care and thats resulted in some people suffering needlessly. So as a physician it is incredibly important to think about these losses, Health Insurance, economic mobility, and it is exactly to the point that weve all been saying in order to recover as an economy we need to feel healthy, a basic fundamental principle of that health is access to health care that is affordable. Were seeing zero discussion of that. The Trump Administration continues to fight that. Theyre taking this to the Supreme Court where they want to strip out what little protection there is available to people through the Affordable Care act. It is incredibly distressing and i would say even if we found a treatment and vaccine that was fool proof your point is right. People could be barred from accessing life saving treatments or a vaccine simply because of the fact they lost their Health Insurance. Ron, i think it is fair to say that we dont have a functioning or coordinated response to the coronavirus right now. What would a functioning white house you ran the Ebola Response in the obama administration. What would it look like today . Well, i think it starts with a lot of things weve been talking about here. First of all there would be a National Testing coordinator and ramping up Testing Capacity dramatically. The president said hey its up to states to figure this out. Its up to each locality to figure it out. They dont have the access to the equipment or chemicals. You need National Leadership on that. Wed have a Contact Tracing corps. A National Corps of 100,000, 200,000 people to take those test results and run down chains of transmission, isolate cases, and get this virus under control. Thats whats worked in europe. It could work here, too. Wed have a National Supply chain coordinator making sure that hospitals are getting the gear they need. Were starting to see now with the new flash point states, florida, texas, arizona, a repeat of what we were seeing earlier on the east coast. Doctors and nurses telling us they dont have enough masks. They dont have enough gowns. They dont have enough gear, protective face shields, all of those things. Well see Health Care Workers start to get sick at higher and higher numbers again. In some ways i think that is the biggest tragedy of the whole thing when you see the men and women who we count on to take care of us getting sick from the virus from taking care of us because we dont protect them, i think that is probably the saddest thing about this whole mess. Scott, every day were hearing about more Small Businesses saying i simply cant weather this storm. And theyre shutting down. How concerned are you especially when you look at the Public Markets and how well Massive Companies are doing. How concerned are you a year from now our only options are chain restaurants and Big Box Stores and well lose main street u. S. A. Based on how we are addressing the economic recovery . I think one of the most damaging metrics in the world is nasdaq which gives you this false narrative the economy is just fine. What were seeing is the Ten Companies that are responsible for 99 of the recovery are one of two things. Theyre either tech monopolies or companies too big to fail. The s p 500 the top Ten Companies are up 18 and the bottom 50 by market capitalization down 38 . Who is getting hurt in this pandemic . Small companies, which is terrible for the economy because theyre generally the job creators and the innovators. We have moved to a false head fake, the notion that the markets are any indication of main street, totally separated from the main street economy, and the engine of global equality, of prosperity, american small business, is being left out in the cold here. So the nasdaq is a proxy on how the top 10 income earning households are doing. Spoiler alert theyre doing really well. It is the other 90 and Small Businesses getting punched in the gut repeatedly here. It is the other 90 , Small Businesses, which employ 47 of america. The heart and soul of our country. Ron, scott, thank you both for joining us. Doctor, please stay with me. We have more to cover this hour. Coming up well go behind the Lincoln Project. Those ads that seem to be driving the trump world crazy. Ill be speaking to a Jacksonville City Council member who says that holding the Gop Convention there is absolutely irresponsible. Weve got a live interview with a teacher, a teacher who contracted coronavirus while Teaching Summer School. All that plus the one and only bill nye the science guy on why masks keep us safe. You know what youre watching the beat on msnbc. Bec thats why i like Liberty Mutual. 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