More than 211,500 americans. Meanwhile, his doctor continues to down play the president s condition and basic information to the public. When was his last negative test and what was his viral load . I know. Everyone wants that. Dont get mad. Get e trade ithe first full prescriptionis pstrength nonsteroidal antiinflammatory gel. I dont have his viral load. Available over the counter. Voltaren is powerful arthritis pain relief in a gel. Hippa prevents me from going into too much detail. Voltaren. The joy of movement. At some future point, maybe. But today, sorry. I think thats it. Doctor, what was the date of the president s last negative test . I wont get into the testing going back but he and all the theres a lot going on. We want to share an update. Staff are routinely tested. Were excited about here around trump wanted to leave the beat. Isolation and work out of the senator Elizabeth Warren is back on the program. Its going to be a special oval today and aides pushing back on that that would break interview. Because its heading into cdc rules and infect another tomorrows historic Vice President debate. Part of the white house. That report does not mean that of course she knows some of the donald trump has begun following people on the. His own administrations cdc and were looking forward to it. Safety policies. His white house refusing to even do the basic Contact Tracing join us 6 00 p. M. Eastern that is advised for that super tomorrow. Spreader event thats been so as for now its the the reidout with joy reid. Reported on and criticized and said it literally quote cut the cdc out of the process. Were already seeing the consequences and i actually have a special report on this very donald trump. Issue in a few minutes on tonights broadcast. The Reality Television here is the basic results. The list of infected allies and president. Went to extreme lengths to spin colleagues continues to grow testing positive. His failure to contain the the joint chiefs of staff, top coronavirus. A fill yur so thorough, he couldnt even protect his wife. Pentagon officials initislati i. His staff. His press secretary. Meanwhile, another aide testing members of the United States positive this morning also at senate. The military members and secret that rose garden event. Service agents a military valet near trump now positive. And two other white house staffers testing positive told to use discretion when discussing their health. Medically speaking, the president is still sick and contagious whether he admits it or not. New precautions already underway right now to contain the risk that he or other candidates may face at these upcoming debates. You have the next president ial debate in miami in nine days. Both candidates plowing full steam ahead and the running mate debate, which is tomorrow night. A lot is happening out of the blue. What happens next . Nobody really knows. Lets bring in our experts right now to help us get into this. Dr. Zeke emanuel worked as an Obama White House advisor and university of pennsylvania ex the author of which country has the worlds best health care. Erin haynes is with a newsroom that reports on gender and politics and wall street Journal White House reporter kathryn lucy joins us, as well. Doctor, your views here on what is preventable and manageable and what is unavoidable and whether the white house is adding unnecessary risk to the upper echelons of the government. Well, first of all, whats preventable are a lot of deaths that americans are suffering. We know that with the proper institution of the Public Health measures wearing a mask, social distancing, no crowds over 20, we could get our death rate way down because other countries like italy have done that. So thats one of the things. Clearly, the president needs to follow medical advice and if his doctor isnt really clear, isolation means isolation. It does not mean going into the rest of the west wing et cetera. Youre supposed to be at home. Thats the second floor of the white house and nowhere else. And the real worry doctor, let me just pause you before you go to the next one. Youre making the very basic but important point that there is no such thing as partial isolation. Youre either doing it or breaking it. Oh, absolutely. It doesnt mean you can have dinner outside with another couple for example. No, isolation is youre in your house and its unfortunate but the president courted this the whole time he refused to abide by the Public Health measures before. Not wearing a mask, not being socially distant thats the risk you run. If the president didnt want this to happen he could follow the cdcs guidance or whatever joe biden is doing who is following whatever the government recommendations are. And i think there is no two questions about it to have the leader of the country and the free world not ocabiding by thi sends a terrible message but the American Public isnt listening to him. They are giving up on him and changing. The one last thing ill interrupt again. Youre so smart and fast, you run right past it. Ill pause your second point and put this on the screen. You make an important point for the Public Health and safety of the nation. Not politics, not what you do in november. Most americans dont trust the white house info on health. 69 of people who trust most of it down to a third. Thats very low, doctor. You were going to a third point. Yeah, and apparently, americans are now pretty much beginning to understand that masks are important so were seeing a lot more mask adoption, the opposite of what the white house is saying. When i heard that the president was cancelling the negotiations over another stimulus and after chairman powell said it was necessary after clearly many people are hurting, the airlines are about to furlough people. You have to wonder is this guy beginning to have mental effects from everything, covid, the dexamethasone. Its just journalism but youre not in a medical position to make a personal primary diagnosis about his state of mind or health . You obviously read the codes of ethics. Im not making a medical judgement here. Im a citizen wondering what is he thinking here and could this be traced back as many experts are saying to the medications because it just seems like the wrong judgment even for the republican running for the presidency. Yeah, and you have every right to question his judge 789 a judgment and i want to make sure with our viewers im not wearing my white coat if thats what you mean. No white coat here. Im not like dr. Conley. Kathryn is going to weigh in on whether donald trump is fully sane. J. K. In the white house so with that vantage point, walk us through the human toll has been a difficult time not only for the people that work in government but everyone that works there, which as weve mentioned includes people who do reporting there. People who come in and out of the grounds for various reasons. This is a dangerous place, obviously. So what youre finding in your reporting . Yes, this is a very stressful time for staff, for people who work in the west wing both at white house capacity as well as housekeeping staff, people who work in the residence and obviously journalists who cover the white house. I was over there this morning. It very quiet right now. A lot of people are working from home. A white house staffer is being told, you know, theyre concerned, they should stay home. They are now doing a lot of deep cleaning and might have seen pictures of someone wearing full protective gear cleaning the Briefing Room last night. There is also a lot of anxiety from staff and aides who feel like they are not getting full information and havent been fully briefed and told when there are positive cases thanks Contact Tracing efforts dont mean necessarily people are reaching out to them. There wasnt any staff that went out and reminding people of what the guidelines wer and the president is back. They are for now trying to keep him in the residence. Theyve set up some temporary work spaces in the map room and diplomatic room but it an open question. You saw him walk up the stairs and take off his mask. Its an open question how long hell take any advice. Yeah, erin, speak to the politics of this because thats part of it. Were in the heat of a president ial campaign. There are those around the country who feel they have been living under trump policies. Hes clashed with Governor Cuomo and others. We documented that. They would argue while it not hopefully not just because you dont wish it on anyone, the reality, the factual reality, ill have later in the program tonight. There are people who work for donald trump who are experiencing when it comes to covid and health care, they are experiencing trumpism for the first time. The pandemic is political, which is a story i have up today on 19th news. Were seeing the gender gap already in this election. Women overwhelmingly, you know, supporting Vice President biden and saying that he is the one that they trust on this pandemic and that they are really looking to scientists and coming up with their own plans in the absence of a National Plan to address the coronavirus both from a Public Health and economic standpoint. There was a report that said women were more of the people who were increasingly Wearing Masks over the summer. They are the ones coming up for plans not only for their children and their Virtual Learning and elderly loved ones. They are navigating career or essential work, Front Line Work outside of the home. They are being directly impacted by this virus whether they ever get sick or not and what they told me is that they are frustrated and some of them are just down right angry because they are making sacrifices while they are seeing the president flouting the rules and saying things like dont let the virus dominate you and dont be afraid of the pandemic. It is impacting the lives of millions of americans that is what is going to be on that debate stage i think tomorrow night. Yeah, you mentioned the debate stage with harris tomorrow. Biden coming up. Take a look at what joe biden said about all of this. 210,000 americans dead and the number is climbing. Lets end the politics and follow the science. Wearing a mask, wearing a mask is not a political statement. Its a scientific recommendation. Erin . Well, Vice President biden said when he got into this race more than a year ago he was here for this to be the battle for the soul of america. The pandemic has also ended up becoming something that is very decisive for a lot of americans. I never would have imagined masks would have been something that has become politicized but in fact, that is the case because of the guidance that we have gotten from administration versus the guidance that has come from medical and Public Health experts. What you saw Vice President biden doing today in gettysburg is trying to unite the country around the response to the pandemic. I mean, im old enough to remember earlier this spring when the message was were all in this together and it really doesnt feel like that as the country is kind of reopening and fits and starts into different degrees depending upon where you live in america, what he was saying today, his message was that we can beat this virus together by doing the things that experts are telling us to do, masking, washing our hands and continuing to social distance but thats not the message necessarily that the administration is saying lets get back to some normalcy and that a vaccine is on the way and that well be back to normal life sooner than later. Erin, kathryn, dr. Emanuel, thank each of you. For context, the president telling americans dont be afraid. One thing thats for certain, dont let it dominate you. Dont be afraid of it. Thats what erin was just discussing but of course, the virus killed more than 211,000 americans. It has not been curved in any meaningful way. Whether it dominates you, among other things, that would depend on your situation. If you are someone who can take the marine one helicopter, a taxpayer expense to a private hospital paid for with public funds to protect you because youre the president , you may feel somewhat more confident than people that dont have access to good health care. Of course, donald trump is a part of that reality. He has worked to dismantle many of the protections and Insurance Coverage under the Affordable Care act. There are people in waiting rooms. There are people who have preexisting conditions and wondering whether those protections would last if the Trump Administration prevails in its quest in court now to end obamacare completely. Were about to be joined by politzer prize winning nicolaus cristoff. The issues of class and race and access to health care were paramount. At one point, this virus was killing nearly 1,000 people per day. On this day, almost 800 new yorkers died. I need a vent. I need a vent. I need a ventilator. Someone codes, someone dies. You go to the next patient. I have cried just at home thinking about it. I spent 12 hours by his bedside with all my ppe on. He would grab my hand and i would tell him everything is going to be okay. Were doing the best we could. But i could see the fear in his eyes, and it was heartbreaking. Nicolaolaus joins us. That was six months ago. What has changed and what does it mean for people in the white house apparently unfortunately to get a firsthand lesson in what so Many Americans have gone through and what you bore witness to . What has changed is the scale of the suffering around the United States. When i went into the hospitals initially at that point fewer than 10,000 people were dead in america. Now, of course, we have more than 200,000. But what hasnt changed is the fundamental reaction of the countrys leadership. You know, look, there were a number of countries around the world that initially made mistakes. Italy, britain, spain. But they learned from their mistakes. They showed a certain resilience and what is striking about the u. S. Is our failure to learn lessons. You know, the fact that we still dont have adequate ppe and still dont have adequate testing and we still dont have Contact Tracing and the white house refuses to engage in real Contact Tracing right at the white house and we havent learned to accept that this is a real threat. I, you know, i think what really struck me the most about reporting from the hospitals both in new yorknavajo nation, the way you died. Youre alone, youre scared, youre feverish and as a matter of compassion would be useful if we have the leadership that is were canned enough about those around the president but also for the modelling of the behavior and thats not happened. Yeah, and you talk about that. I want to look at the just some of the exposure concern out there. Nbc news was asking about this. 65 of americans, theyre afraid someone in their family will be exposed. You have this highlevel talk how bad it is or the initial talk you get heard immunity or some day there will be a vaccine. Were going towards the end of the year here. And while there are some trials that some folks have said are encouraging, the majority of the country is worried about exposure and we could have next year regardless of political calendars and who wins the presidency, we could have 2021 looking a lot like 2020. Thats right. I would note that ordinary american citizens do seem to have gained a deeper understanding and National Geographic had a poll showing 92 of americans wear a mask when they go out. You have seen across demographics a willingness to wear a mask in recognition they are life saving but we dont see that at the top and one of the things that the Public HealthCommunity Learned from aids and ebola and tuberculosis and diseases all around the world is the importance of Health Messaging and the Public Health community there is so much hostility in the south africa for example, his denial over aids. I never thought in my career as a reporter that i would see the same kind of denial in a president of the United States. But we do. But we do. Nick cristoff, seems relevant to look at it. Appreciate you joining us. Because youre busy, you have a new book tight rope, americans reaching for hope. Its now and you can check it out. Coming up in 30 seconds, Michelle Obamas stark message and my special report on trumps inability to protect himself or his team from covid but first, live on the beat Barack Obamas spokesman robert gibbs when we come back. S spokesmarons when we come back. Look limu someone out there needs help customizing their Car Insurance with liberty mutual, so they only pay for what they need. False alarm. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. State of the Art Technology makes it brilliant. The visionary lexus nx. Lease the 2021 nx 300 for 359 a month for 36 months. Experience amazing. At your lexus dealer. White House Press Secretary for the obama administration, robert gibbs and he joins us as the current white House Press SecretaryKalyleigh Mcenany selfisolates. She removed her mask to spaeeako reporters. As everyone gets this virus, we wish her a speedy recovery but your views on the White House Communications debacles here. Absolutely. I wish everybody who has been exposed to this or who has tested positive for this, wish them well and to get well quite quickly. I think weve seen over