Possible left to argue they went down fighting. Now, you may hear about that. Indeed, Donald Trumps next career move, which could affect the Republican Party in a great way may rest on the idea that what were living through right now is donald trump going down fighting. But it turns out thats even a stretch when you dig into the facts theyre often surrendering. The Trump Campaign dropping yet another lawsuit today in michigan where trumps loss was formally certified. That makes seven Different Cases where donald trump or allies dropped their own allegations. Meaning their cases were so weak they didnt even wait to get to the point where a judge would reject them. Were getting to a stage in all of this that goes beyond weak sauce. If this sauce were any weaker, it wouldnt be sauce. And that was certainly the mood at this long and winding presentation by Rudy Giuliani today. It featured false claims that are irrelevant and we wont repeat but trumps lawyers admitted under oath they have no evidence of voter fraud, which under cuts much of the truhrustf what giuliani labored to argue today. There is the obscure complaint giuliani making some poll watchers didnt get a clear view of the counting. You dont need to be a lawyer to know that sounds like a small matter. It also, however, happens to be another one of the legal claims that the trump team already dropped and if youre keeping track as we do, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court already formally rejected that kind of legal claim in a similar lawsuit. Longtime republican strategists scott reid saying giuliani is turning the entire production into a clown car. So when you take it together, there is two things here. Weve covered both of them but with giuliani on the warpath and donald trump making a big deal out of this now, its worth keeping them both in your mind. On one hand, this is all thou theater. This is not real actual litigation strategy. Its using and some nonpartisan experts say abusing the courts to try to create conditions where they can go back out and hold press conferences and go on certain conservative channels and talk about it. And thats why its ultimately substantively meaningless. So why even talk about it . Well, the other side of this is what theyre trying to actually normalize. It may be the last bout of semi authoritarian normalization of the trump era and that is worth scrutinizing because as we reported and so many experts if you watch msnbc, youve heard it reported. So much of this comes down to disinfranchisement to steal an i election, even though thats not working and disenfranchise based on believes or discrimination. We see that in detroit and georgia. That part matters a lot even as you can keep clear in your mind from the walk i just walked you through that there isnt an open case that would overturn the actual results. Keeping those two things in your mind, the irrelevance and significance, i give you a brief look at todays strange press conference before we turn to our experts and fact check. There was a plan from a centralized place to execute these various acts of voter fraud. The massive fraud. How is it they all turned around . Officials and lawmakers where is our fbi and have they oppressed any interest . What do we have to do to get the fbi to wake up . Im sending my votes of people in michigan over to germany. Id fire everybody involved in this election. We turn now to the former head of the Republican Party former rnc chairman Michael Steele and melissa murray, nyu law professor. Professor, i go to you first. Part of this is irrelevant theater. I tried to be clear about that in my role as a News Reporter and part of it is still disturbing. Your views on that, if you want to call that two things in that little bit of giuliani that we heard. I dont know if its just a part of it thats disturbing. All of it is quite disturbing but part of a well worn pattern. We saw this preceding the election with attempts to limit early voting and curb side voting in certain states where they thought there might be an uprise in democratic voters. Weve seen this after the election in the efforts to go to the courts to seek to have these ballots invalidated. Now were seeing the Trump Administration moving into the courts to try and have the certification stopped and now Rudy Giuliani is circulating theories that george soros and hugo chavez and a manry company is in cahoots to perpetrate massive Election Fraud. All of this is about disinformation and the idea that democracy is somehow dangerous to this particular administration. Michael . You know, ive been watching this, ari and this is an incredible, incredible period for future law students. Theyre going to learn all about rule 11 sanctions. Theyre going to learn all about how not to approach a court. Theyre going to learn so much of what you dont do if you want to be a good lawyer. What you dont do if you want to represent your client and so this is in one sense, its theater, its drama and ive stopped really taking it seriously and paying attention to it because the courts have already made it very clear to me there is no there there, there is nothing to be alarmed about. The biden operation needs to move forward and do its best at putting together transition and the rest of us can get ready for, you know, hunkering down to the long winter of covid19 because were going to be doing it yet alone without the help from this administration so this is just a side show. This is just a legal spaghetti drop of throwing stuff against the wall to see what will stick and getting out and giving performance art. There is nothing serious about it. Americans are not serious about any of this. Im glad you said art. Weve always been interested in the probe. Were not the first and wont be the last to note how sometimes life imitates art. I want to keep it fun as it is worth considering where we are right now. We actually reported on the beat that trumps teams problems in the case had already reached my cousin vinnie territory. The comedian lawyer that goes to court and is struggling, joe really struggling there in court. Everybody remembers that. Rudy giuliani today is also invoking the famous legal film but not because of the mumbling lawyer part but the scene where they discuss how far away something is. Giuliani alleging that the republican observers were in court too far away, apart of the case i mentioned that they dropped. Did youall watch my cousin vinnie you know the movie . How many fingers do i got up. And she says three. Well, she was too far away to see it was only two. These people were further away than my cousin vinnie was from the witness. Mrs. Raleigh and only mrs. Raleigh, how many fingers am i holding up now . Four. And he comes all the way up. Everyone remembers that was making a point about the difference between two and three and how far away youd have to be for it to make a difference. So, giuliani invited it. Lets go ahead and do it briefly right now. Lets look at the numbers and how far away you are. These are the margins in key states where suits remain, pa, michigan, georgia. 157,000, even 13,000, the closest to georgia. Now pop quiz america, whats the largest margin in America History to ever actually change these kind of things like illegally art something you can barely see on the chart. Its under 1,000. Its 355 votes. This doesnt matter whether youre very, very close like the end of the scene or very far away, Michael Steele as someone that knows your way around, no matter how far away you are, if yo youre down by tens of thousands, there isnt a case or recount that will change that, right . No, because math is a you know what . Down cant undo the math. If youre sitting there looking at 13,000, 82,000, 857,000 in michigan where do you go with that . Ill tell you where to go. For those folks to go and displace the black vote as much so lets just see here. This is about the math, it always has been about the math. The math doesnt work for them. 270 they aint got. 355 theyre nowhere near. The reality of it is they need to get votes thrown out. And so whatever stuff, whatever measure im getting texts from friends that say can they really do this in michigan . People see what theyre tempting to do here. They are trying to erase black votes. Thats simply how they think they can win this election because the math is on the side of the folks who voted in detroit, not donald trump. Professor . Thats exactly why this isnt near theater or art or something irrelevant and we are sewing the seeds of distress among certain members of the community. Were giving some groups within the United States the view when African Americans go to the polls in huge numbers, what follows is massive voter fraud and thats not the case. Its a disinfranchisement of the worst order but mirrors the disinfranchisement attempts we saw that preceded this election. Its part of the same playbook but its all playing out in the most horrifying ways right now. Yeah, what i mean about the part that is irrelevant is its important that there is not a case that can change the result because the efforts of smoke and misinformation can lead people if they are not versed in it the way you two are. If its going to court that doesnt mean anything can happen, thats the mood. That part is irrelevant, the other parts are important. Before i let you go, i want to play the president elect at a time when were seeing the strategy go to these lengths. Take a look at president elect biden today. I dont know his motive but i think its totally irresponsi e irresponsibl irresponsible. Professor, you get the final word in this segment. I cosigned that. I mean, it is actually reprehensible. We prize ourself on the ability to transition power seamlessly without violence. This is not a seamless transition of power. This looks like the kind of coup you would see in a country that has not had a democratic majority or Democratic Institution for over 200 years. Its frankly appalling. A strong warning here from professor murray. Michael steele comes back later in the hour. We have our shortest break, just 30 seconds we get into how biden won and why it become a clown car. Now comments from former president obama on the way republicans are enabling what professor murray was talking about and im so siked to tell you we have Larry Wilmore here live but Donald Trumps niece mary trump on her uncle hiding out after the loss. Were back in 30 seconds. 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Nbc analysts and president ial historian Michael Beschloss says when before in history have we seen a president of the United States disappear from public view like this . Its a big question. We turn to someone that knows the mind set of the man of the white house. Mary trump is president Donald Trumps niece and spoke out long before the election with her book, too much and never enough, how my family created the worlds most dangerous man and as i mentioned before, the unusual position of breaking with her own family for what she thought was right for the public interest. Mary, good to have you back. Thanks, ari, great to be here. Of all the ways this would have ended, im not sure that any of the many people whove spent perhaps too much time and energy thinking about this man would have thought it would have been this quiet, this much hiding out, this much what the kids call subtweeting and having other people speak for you. Im curious what you think as its become clear not that hes processing or waiting but that the loudest man in the world has gone mute for awhile. Well, donald is a coward. You know, he is a small racist man who lost decisively and cant handle the fact that he lost. Hes also desperate because he knows once he loses the power of the oval office, he has enormous debts that will be called and he has potential prosecutions awaiting him. So im less concerned about his having gone silent, first of all, its kind of a relief and secondly, it just under scores how ill equipped he is to meet this particular moment. Im more worried about the people who are doing his bidding. Im consistently shocked to find that there are people even weaker than he is on the planet and of course of Republican Leadership and really be focussing on right now. Thats a great point. Franchise and racial and First Amendment free speech discrimination at the top of the show, which is on going as an effort why it has limits and you call cowards. A tough guy, the results are like and robert de niro. Play a little bit of what he had to say. Its like being in an abusive relationship. We dont know whats going on. Nobody knows. Thats what hes capable of, not respecting anything. It confounds me. I think there is a screw loose there. Mary . Thats an understatement. But yes, i agree. Donald is acting out of instinct and the desire for selfpreservation. Thats about it. Again, what is so worrisome is that so many people in positions of power are willing either to support his anti democratic, you know, potential coup or who will remain silent. People like Mitch Mcconnell who for reasons of, you know, just wanting to hang on to power is completely willing to let this unfold because he needs donalds base on january 5th and in 2022. Its despicable and we lost almost 2,000 americans yesterday because this administration Republican Leadership are doing absolutely nothing. Yeah. When you look at what the off ramp is, there is reporting on this this . It does matter because for one thing, the problems you and others are diagnosing with the republican parties relationship with donald trump dont just magically end on january 20th, even when he will literally be out of office and out of power and nod have federal immunity and things because he can go away. People dont hear much from george w. Bush as a former republican president for example or he can try to make himself a big presence in the party and run again or threaten to run again and do this media company. Here is what nbc is reporting about this plan for the off ramp. Trumps advisors talked about the end looks like like conclusion rather than concession. The off ramp conclusion is he admits biden will enter the white house on january 20th while continuing to allege the results are questionable. Given your knowledge of your uncle, how natural is that for him to try to find what would he be as a journalist a lie and a grievance to ride for however many years because that could matter in American Life and politics. I think thats the most likely outcome here but unfortunately, its also the most dangerous. Hes going to continue to interfere with the Incoming Administration and hes going to continue to undermine its legitimacy with his base and again, as long as Republican Leadership steps aside and allows him to do it, its going to be its going to continue to erode peoples faith in the system and going to continue to erode our democracy and were going to have to hope that the Biden Administration will be willing. Yeah, its interesting you mentioned holding on to account. We reported about signals coming from is some biden advisors about that issue and thats a big and live one given the level and range of proprieties. Thank you for coming back on the beat. Thank you so much, ari. Were excited about it, the great Larry Wilmore from the daily show on to the beat. Stick around for that. President obama speaking about trumps denial of the loss. New comments and needs on msnbc exclusive. Well show them to you airing for the first time but first, Fact Checking giulianis circus, what this is about and what you need to know when we come back. Need to know when we come back but we didnt stop there. We made a cloud flexible enough to adapt to any size business. No matter what it does, or how it changes. And we kept going. So you only pay for what you use. Because at dell technologies, we stop. At nothing. Bill be eating chicken tikka masala with garlic naan. [doorbell chimes] cheers. I win again, patrick. Thats siiir patrick. Oooooow. Sir. 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Republicans turning to great experts about this really comes down to and update and ghoul noon know and the loss in michigan although there was initial black city to certify the vote and initially to block that and gave it up. Remember, donald trump calling those two