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Selling kidnapped western hostages to isis. Nbcs Kelly Odonnell has been monitoring the hearings all day. Shes on the hill for us. Kelly, a lot of questions about the u. S. Strategy came up in todays hearing. But it seems like the big news here is the possibility of general dempsey suggesting to the president that he send in u. S. Ground forces if air strikes are not successful. Reporter krystal, one of the times when a congressional hearing can be most helpful to the public and to congress that has to make a decision about this authorization, is when the official witnesses go beyond whats expected. And thats what happened today with general dempsey taking questions, in some cases these were hypothetical questions, but he was giving some assurance to the Senate Armed Services committee. Some of the members of congress who are most read in on these issues, that under certain kinds of scenarios, he would be willing to rejigger his assessments, go back to the president with a new sort of recommendation to have some level of u. S. Boots on the ground. Now, many people point out, there are already u. S. Boots on the ground in iraq, in advising and sort of strategic help roles. The general also said, of course, those pilots who are carrying out air strikes are, themselves n a combat role now. And one example given was, if, in fact, they were shot down or if they had to eject for some reason, would u. S. Ground forces go in or some american complement of special forces to try to rescue them . Yes, he said. But also if there were a situation where the kurds and the iraqi forces were not doing what was needed to try to protect u. S. Interest there and to keep this Mission Going forward, he might make this change in strategy. Thats very different from what the white house has outlined and the general was very careful to say he supports the president s plan as it stands today. But part of what they were trying to get at are some, whatif scenarios, which for some members and the public that lived through the iraq war, asking questions about what might go wrong is what they were trying to get at today. Also, its an environment over a threehour hearing where the public sometimes has a chance to weigh in in an unexpected and yet somehow predictable fashion. Thats three protesters. A group called code pink has long been a presence for any hearings that deals with issues of u. S. Forces around the world. They made their presence known and were at times chided by the chairman, carl levin, about needing to keep order. This will give you a sense of what that was like when senator john mccain was doing some of the questioning. Please leave the room. Thank you. We ask you for the last time. Thank you very much. Goodbye. Goodbye. Thank you. Voices being heard. The disruptions are not going to be acceptable to anybody. I always appreciate special attention from this group, mr. Chairman. So, theres the balance of free speech rights and also trying to keep things moving and stay on track. Again, a very regular presence here and an important part of the debate. There were many who are concerned about mission creep. Could this go beyond what has been addressed . The white house already saying this is a multiyear strategy. Today, another sort of headline in news was the training of these Syrian Forces could take about 8 to 12 months per 5,000 vetted fighters. Thats a long time for whats considered an urgent problem. Krystal . Indeed, quelly odonnell, thank you very much. Lets get more on the military side with Lieutenant Colonel anthony schaeffer. His latest novel the last line is now out in paperback. For the Foreign Policy implications were joined by Wilson Centers aaron david miller, former mid oost east adviser to secretaries of state. Aarons upcoming book is the end of greatness why america cant have and doesnt want another great president. Gentlemen, thank you both for being with us. Thank you. Pleasure. Tony, i want to start with these reports that a syrian warplane was shot down by isis. If they, in fact, do have antiaircraft capabilities, how does that change our air strike strategy . It changes it in two ways. First, we have to be a lot more cognizant in how we use our air power. Most of the last two wars we had permissive environment. Little in the way of surfacetoair missiles. Theres a good chance these arms were passed from turks into friendly antiassad groups. These groups have shot down assad aircraft in the past. The question now becomes did somehow these friendly groups give these weapons that we dont want the bad guy groups to have, to have. Thats the issue at this point. Aaron, iran is a huge player in this region. They are letting it be known they are not going to be working with us in the way we want them to be working with us on this isis problem. How much does that damage our efforts . You know, irans a factor for sure. What they want is full recognition. They dont want to be brought in as a junior partner. You know, theyd like to be invited to these conferences and recognized as a coequal player. Nothing would make them happier. As a consequence, because were not going to allow that given the disparity of interest and the fact they continue to support Bashar Al Assad, who is one huge asset for isis. Every time they use barrel bombs or chemical weapons in the past, its only alienated sunnis and jihadis. We have to figure out a way to indirectly align our interests with the iranians. They control shia militias. They have enormous influence over the government in baghdad. And isis is not an existential threat to iran but it is it is a problem. So, i suspect to a degree they will cooperate indirectly with us. Yeah. And they may be moving towards that privately. Public will he we saw Ayatollah Khomeini say while he was recovering from prostate surgery he enjoyed reading the u. S. Statements because he thought they were laughable, ridiculous. A set of attacks there, not showing any openness in public. I also want to draw your attention to another important part of this hearing in an exchange with senator mccain. Take a listen. Will we repel Bashar Assads air assets that will be attacking them . Any attack on those that we have trained who are supporting us, we will help them. Were, first of all, not there yet, but our focus is on isil. I think what youre hearing us express is an isilfirst strategy. I dont think well find ourselves in that situation given what we intend to do wi with you dont think that the Free Syrian Army is going to fight against bashar assad, who has been decimating them . You think that these people youre training will only go back to fight against isil . Do you really believe that, general . What i believe, senator, is that as we train them and develop a military chain of command linked to a political structure, that we can establish objectives that defer that challenge into the future. We do not have to deal with it now. Thats a fundamental misunderstanding. I got to tell you, when senator mccain is wrong, hes really wrong. And hes often wrong. Hes been wrong on iraq many different ways. But here on this discreet question of the unpredictability of this situation on the ground in syria, those seem to be the right questions to ask. I dont think today at least the witnesses had a good answer. What did you think . No, i think thats absolutely right. Look, you got four literally, four subconflicts going on in syria right now. You have one between assad and isis. One between assad and the syrian Free Syrian Army. You have one between the jihadis and the moderates, the socalled Free Syrian Army. And you have one between the jihadis themselves. Isis and nuhsra. That is the fundamental problem in syria. You have to find a way to focus the available assets and resources against the problem we consider to be the most critical. And what is that problem now . Is it Bashar Al Assad . Essentially a murderous, secular regime that really isnt interested expanding into iraq and attacking america, or is it the burgeoning jihadi sunni threat by al nuhsrah and isis. This is a politically inconvenient question to ask. Senator mccain identified one of the major contradictions and challenges we face in being effective in countering isis in syria proper. Tony, this is quite alarming, actually, to hear the questions asked from senator mccain this morning. It does sound like we actually dont have a real strategy yet with in syria, because that is a huge question. How can we be sure the rebels are simply going to fight against isis and not the assad regime . How can we achieve our goals if we dont have a defined syrian strategy . Weve already seen horse trading behind the scenes which is hostages being traded sold, if you will. Lets be clear on this. The numbers theyre talking about training, 5,000. And over and over a year . Isis is already at 31,000. Well never get there with with the basic concept. We already have two groups of forces that are available to go in there right now. First off, i met with the yazidis, syrians and iraqi christians. They live there. Theyre indigenous. Lets arm them. Let them defend the land they live on. They dont want to be pushed out. We are have trained arab league military, egyptians, jordanians. Why would you want to train a militia you have no control over when you have professionally trained officers, some trained at our academy, we have a military in a natotype organization who can also be it is social glue that brings things together to settle things . This concept of arming militia is completely insane. John mccain is completely right on asking that question. I cant tell you how much that frightens me to hear the chairman of the chiefs say, defer that into the future. Thats irresponsible. Seems like there are far too many questions here. Youre pointing out, 5,000, even with all the risks involved, seems like a far insufficient force. Thank you both so much. Up next, whos really got the authority to act against isis . Coming up, more troops deployed now to africa to stem the deadly ebola outbreak. The president is being briefed by the cdc and speaks at the top of the hour. Well go there live at the cycle rolls on for they have busy tuesday, september 16th. Jackies heart attack didnt come with a warning. Today her doctor has her on a bayer aspirin regimen to help reduce the risk of another one. If youve had a heart attack be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. I thought itd be bigger. dad theres nothing i cant reach in my subaru. vo introducing the allnew subaru outback. Love. Its what makes a subaru,a subaru. Yeah vo dont just dream of being the hero. Make it happen. I cant believe were missing the game for this. Were not. Ive got xlte. Vo it doubles our 4g lte bandwidth in cities nationwide, so be that guy with verizon xlte. Now get 1gb of bonus data, and our best pricing ever on the more everything plan. I have 40,ney do you have in your pocket right now . 21. Could something that small make an impact on something as big as your retirement . I dont think so. Well if you start putting that towards your retirement every week and let it grow over time, for twenty to thirty years, that retirement challenge might not seem so big after all. Little progress is made to contain a huge wildfire in the Northern California town of weid near the border of oregon. 100 shoemz have been destroyed. Nearly half the town has been evacuated. Firefighters tell us the blaze is only about onefifth contained. Turning now to a political firestorm diffused in a rare occurrence, there appears to be bipartisan support in the fight against isis. Wait, what . Weve watched hours of testimony on the hill today. Secretary kerry will be there tomorrow. But the house is expected to vote on the president s request for funding to train and arm Syrian Rebels, our ground troops. In theory a compromise to keep american troops out of combat. Agreement in congress, abby i suppose Stranger Things have happened but i cant name them. Howard feinman is back with us to discuss. Howard, we are at war in the same way were at war with al qaeda. The folks in d. C. Will tell us just that. Listen. Were at war with isil as we are with al qaeda. But destroying isil will require more than military efforts alone. It will require political progress in the region and effective partners on the ground in iraq and syria. Secretary hagel says were at war in the same way we are with aq. I dont think he means permanently in under dubious legal authority, but thats part of what i hear. But also, weve been trying to destroy al qaeda for 13 years. We have failed. Many people think we will also be unable to say that we can one day have destroyed isis. But an american president and his team cant come out and say, hey, guys, we cant accomplish this military feat. Well, i think the whole notion of war, that that word has changed in our time. And the notion of signing a peace treaty on the deck of an aircraft carrier, you know, holding the ceremonial pens and exchanging swords and so on, all thats gone. Yes, it is war. But its a war thats more like a cancer that you never quite rid from your body. Thats kind of where we are. And for the secretary of defense to say we are at war, most people in america are going to view that in the oldfashioned, capital with the w way and thats why some members on the one hand are coming to support the president s limited request and also worried about where this is going to go. As we all know in our constitution, if it is a war, it is the congress that declares war or authorizes explicit forces. Just this summer in july this white house officially said to the congress that they should, quote, repeal the outdated 2002 authorization for use of military force in iraq. Its no longer used for any u. S. Government activities and the Administration Fully supports its repeal. Fast forward to today, and as you know, howard, they are citing that same resolution that they said should be repealed this summer as the actual legal authority, in part, for these operations all the way out into syria. What is going on . How can they say this with a straight face . Not just to hit the administration here, shouldnt this congress take, i think its most serious obligation seriously, and get involved in saying what the authority is here . Is it the 01, the 02 or something didnt or should it not happen . Youre absolutely right. I think the deeper point in this new era were discussing, what is a declaration of war . What is the constitutional requirement . If theres a sort of new definition of warfare, it requires a sort of new or rethinking of our definition of declarations of war. Now, going back a long way, going back to the time of the korean war, president s have avoided formal declarations for a whole host of reasons in the traditional sense that Franklin Roosevelt did it, you know, at the beginning of world war ii after pearl harbor. But were in a new era. So, what is congressional input . What should it look like . It cant just look like what the administrations trying to pull off here. You cant use 12yearold or even older . Theyre even citing the original authorization of use of force in general from 2001, which is the blanket blank check that was ever written by the congress, i think. Now the president is interpreting it that way. After having been a critic, as a constitutional lawyer, of all this kind of thinking, he is now adopting it big time when it suits his political and strategic purpose. He needs to be called to account for that. Absolutely. And you look at the 01 authorization of force, abby, it was about 9 11. Isil is many things, but isil was not the brains behind 9 11. Howard, i think the right word here is interpretation. And on that point, it seems like the president continues to get trapped in his own rhetoric. We saw that a year ago in drawing the red line against syria. Setting this high expectation, not being able to follow through and jeereferring to isis a mont ago as the jv team. Ive been speaking out for a while about how, you know, this was a mistake. Just lay out all options on the table because were not sure what is going to happen with isis a week from now. Now were hearing from top commanders that if in the case air strikes are insufficient, this could lead to a scenario where there are boots on the ground. This was general dempsey just this morning. Take a listen, howard. If we reach the point where i believe our advisers should accompany iraq troops on attacks against specific isil targets, ill recommend that to the president. Howard, this could lead to a bad situation for the president if that ends up happening. Well, thats boots on the ground by any definition. What general dempsey just said right there. And i think theres no theres no question that the president does this repeatedly. Dont forget, he also said that the idea of successfully standing up an army of moderates in syria was a fantasy. He said that to David Remnick of the new yorker not all that long ago. Now were living that fantasy. This president is cautious in action but sometimes way too definitive reer to torererhetor. If youre going to hold the cards close, you have to do it rhetorically and in terms of your deep strategy. Its a bad combination sometimes. It lifts peoples hopes up initially or it calms them down initially. But then a few days later we get in we confront a different reality from the one he described initially. Howard, i mean, to take a step back here and look at how dramatically and how rapidly the Political Landscape has shifted, as evidenced by the president s comments then and now, you know, we were in the season of concerns about government overreach, the nsa, the National Security state, Edward Snowdens leak. Rand paul is even now shifting to say the president wasnt forceful enough and has been accused of flipflopping. So, its remarkable how quickly the American Public has decided that they are at least somewhat ready to go on the offense here. Well, reading the polls, its fascinating. I think in the nbc poll, by a 3 to 1 margin, people want the United States to take on isil isis in some way. Dont distinguish all that much between iraq and syria. At the same time in that same poll, by a 21 margin, people are very skeptical its going to achieve anything. That its really going to achieve the goal of degrading, let alone destroying isis. So, its a mixed view of the Kelly Odonnell<\/a> has been monitoring the hearings all day. Shes on the hill for us. Kelly, a lot of questions about the u. S. Strategy came up in todays hearing. But it seems like the big news here is the possibility of general dempsey suggesting to the president that he send in u. S. Ground forces if air strikes are not successful. Reporter krystal, one of the times when a congressional hearing can be most helpful to the public and to congress that has to make a decision about this authorization, is when the official witnesses go beyond whats expected. And thats what happened today with general dempsey taking questions, in some cases these were hypothetical questions, but he was giving some assurance to the Senate Armed Services<\/a> committee. Some of the members of congress who are most read in on these issues, that under certain kinds of scenarios, he would be willing to rejigger his assessments, go back to the president with a new sort of recommendation to have some level of u. S. Boots on the ground. Now, many people point out, there are already u. S. Boots on the ground in iraq, in advising and sort of strategic help roles. The general also said, of course, those pilots who are carrying out air strikes are, themselves n a combat role now. And one example given was, if, in fact, they were shot down or if they had to eject for some reason, would u. S. Ground forces go in or some american complement of special forces to try to rescue them . Yes, he said. But also if there were a situation where the kurds and the iraqi forces were not doing what was needed to try to protect u. S. Interest there and to keep this Mission Going<\/a> forward, he might make this change in strategy. Thats very different from what the white house has outlined and the general was very careful to say he supports the president s plan as it stands today. But part of what they were trying to get at are some, whatif scenarios, which for some members and the public that lived through the iraq war, asking questions about what might go wrong is what they were trying to get at today. Also, its an environment over a threehour hearing where the public sometimes has a chance to weigh in in an unexpected and yet somehow predictable fashion. Thats three protesters. A group called code pink has long been a presence for any hearings that deals with issues of u. S. Forces around the world. They made their presence known and were at times chided by the chairman, carl levin, about needing to keep order. This will give you a sense of what that was like when senator john mccain was doing some of the questioning. Please leave the room. Thank you. We ask you for the last time. Thank you very much. Goodbye. Goodbye. Thank you. Voices being heard. The disruptions are not going to be acceptable to anybody. I always appreciate special attention from this group, mr. Chairman. So, theres the balance of free speech rights and also trying to keep things moving and stay on track. Again, a very regular presence here and an important part of the debate. There were many who are concerned about mission creep. Could this go beyond what has been addressed . The white house already saying this is a multiyear strategy. Today, another sort of headline in news was the training of these Syrian Forces<\/a> could take about 8 to 12 months per 5,000 vetted fighters. Thats a long time for whats considered an urgent problem. Krystal . Indeed, quelly odonnell, thank you very much. Lets get more on the military side with Lieutenant Colonel<\/a> anthony schaeffer. His latest novel the last line is now out in paperback. For the Foreign Policy<\/a> implications were joined by Wilson Centers<\/a> aaron david miller, former mid oost east adviser to secretaries of state. Aarons upcoming book is the end of greatness why america cant have and doesnt want another great president. Gentlemen, thank you both for being with us. Thank you. Pleasure. Tony, i want to start with these reports that a syrian warplane was shot down by isis. If they, in fact, do have antiaircraft capabilities, how does that change our air strike strategy . It changes it in two ways. First, we have to be a lot more cognizant in how we use our air power. Most of the last two wars we had permissive environment. Little in the way of surfacetoair missiles. Theres a good chance these arms were passed from turks into friendly antiassad groups. These groups have shot down assad aircraft in the past. The question now becomes did somehow these friendly groups give these weapons that we dont want the bad guy groups to have, to have. Thats the issue at this point. Aaron, iran is a huge player in this region. They are letting it be known they are not going to be working with us in the way we want them to be working with us on this isis problem. How much does that damage our efforts . You know, irans a factor for sure. What they want is full recognition. They dont want to be brought in as a junior partner. You know, theyd like to be invited to these conferences and recognized as a coequal player. Nothing would make them happier. As a consequence, because were not going to allow that given the disparity of interest and the fact they continue to support Bashar Al Assad<\/a>, who is one huge asset for isis. Every time they use barrel bombs or chemical weapons in the past, its only alienated sunnis and jihadis. We have to figure out a way to indirectly align our interests with the iranians. They control shia militias. They have enormous influence over the government in baghdad. And isis is not an existential threat to iran but it is it is a problem. So, i suspect to a degree they will cooperate indirectly with us. Yeah. And they may be moving towards that privately. Public will he we saw Ayatollah Khomeini<\/a> say while he was recovering from prostate surgery he enjoyed reading the u. S. Statements because he thought they were laughable, ridiculous. A set of attacks there, not showing any openness in public. I also want to draw your attention to another important part of this hearing in an exchange with senator mccain. Take a listen. Will we repel Bashar Assads<\/a> air assets that will be attacking them . Any attack on those that we have trained who are supporting us, we will help them. Were, first of all, not there yet, but our focus is on isil. I think what youre hearing us express is an isilfirst strategy. I dont think well find ourselves in that situation given what we intend to do wi with you dont think that the Free Syrian Army<\/a> is going to fight against bashar assad, who has been decimating them . You think that these people youre training will only go back to fight against isil . Do you really believe that, general . What i believe, senator, is that as we train them and develop a military chain of command linked to a political structure, that we can establish objectives that defer that challenge into the future. We do not have to deal with it now. Thats a fundamental misunderstanding. I got to tell you, when senator mccain is wrong, hes really wrong. And hes often wrong. Hes been wrong on iraq many different ways. But here on this discreet question of the unpredictability of this situation on the ground in syria, those seem to be the right questions to ask. I dont think today at least the witnesses had a good answer. What did you think . No, i think thats absolutely right. Look, you got four literally, four subconflicts going on in syria right now. You have one between assad and isis. One between assad and the syrian Free Syrian Army<\/a>. You have one between the jihadis and the moderates, the socalled Free Syrian Army<\/a>. And you have one between the jihadis themselves. Isis and nuhsra. That is the fundamental problem in syria. You have to find a way to focus the available assets and resources against the problem we consider to be the most critical. And what is that problem now . Is it Bashar Al Assad<\/a> . Essentially a murderous, secular regime that really isnt interested expanding into iraq and attacking america, or is it the burgeoning jihadi sunni threat by al nuhsrah and isis. This is a politically inconvenient question to ask. Senator mccain identified one of the major contradictions and challenges we face in being effective in countering isis in syria proper. Tony, this is quite alarming, actually, to hear the questions asked from senator mccain this morning. It does sound like we actually dont have a real strategy yet with in syria, because that is a huge question. How can we be sure the rebels are simply going to fight against isis and not the assad regime . How can we achieve our goals if we dont have a defined syrian strategy . Weve already seen horse trading behind the scenes which is hostages being traded sold, if you will. Lets be clear on this. The numbers theyre talking about training, 5,000. And over and over a year . Isis is already at 31,000. Well never get there with with the basic concept. We already have two groups of forces that are available to go in there right now. First off, i met with the yazidis, syrians and iraqi christians. They live there. Theyre indigenous. Lets arm them. Let them defend the land they live on. They dont want to be pushed out. We are have trained arab league military, egyptians, jordanians. Why would you want to train a militia you have no control over when you have professionally trained officers, some trained at our academy, we have a military in a natotype organization who can also be it is social glue that brings things together to settle things . This concept of arming militia is completely insane. John mccain is completely right on asking that question. I cant tell you how much that frightens me to hear the chairman of the chiefs say, defer that into the future. Thats irresponsible. Seems like there are far too many questions here. Youre pointing out, 5,000, even with all the risks involved, seems like a far insufficient force. Thank you both so much. Up next, whos really got the authority to act against isis . Coming up, more troops deployed now to africa to stem the deadly ebola outbreak. The president is being briefed by the cdc and speaks at the top of the hour. Well go there live at the cycle rolls on for they have busy tuesday, september 16th. Jackies heart attack didnt come with a warning. Today her doctor has her on a bayer aspirin regimen to help reduce the risk of another one. If youve had a heart attack be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. I thought itd be bigger. dad theres nothing i cant reach in my subaru. vo introducing the allnew subaru outback. Love. Its what makes a subaru,a subaru. Yeah vo dont just dream of being the hero. Make it happen. I cant believe were missing the game for this. Were not. Ive got xlte. Vo it doubles our 4g lte bandwidth in cities nationwide, so be that guy with verizon xlte. Now get 1gb of bonus data, and our best pricing ever on the more everything plan. I have 40,ney do you have in your pocket right now . 21. Could something that small make an impact on something as big as your retirement . I dont think so. Well if you start putting that towards your retirement every week and let it grow over time, for twenty to thirty years, that retirement challenge might not seem so big after all. Little progress is made to contain a huge wildfire in the Northern California<\/a> town of weid near the border of oregon. 100 shoemz have been destroyed. Nearly half the town has been evacuated. Firefighters tell us the blaze is only about onefifth contained. Turning now to a political firestorm diffused in a rare occurrence, there appears to be bipartisan support in the fight against isis. Wait, what . Weve watched hours of testimony on the hill today. Secretary kerry will be there tomorrow. But the house is expected to vote on the president s request for funding to train and arm Syrian Rebels<\/a>, our ground troops. In theory a compromise to keep american troops out of combat. Agreement in congress, abby i suppose Stranger Things<\/a> have happened but i cant name them. Howard feinman is back with us to discuss. Howard, we are at war in the same way were at war with al qaeda. The folks in d. C. Will tell us just that. Listen. Were at war with isil as we are with al qaeda. But destroying isil will require more than military efforts alone. It will require political progress in the region and effective partners on the ground in iraq and syria. Secretary hagel says were at war in the same way we are with aq. I dont think he means permanently in under dubious legal authority, but thats part of what i hear. But also, weve been trying to destroy al qaeda for 13 years. We have failed. Many people think we will also be unable to say that we can one day have destroyed isis. But an american president and his team cant come out and say, hey, guys, we cant accomplish this military feat. Well, i think the whole notion of war, that that word has changed in our time. And the notion of signing a peace treaty on the deck of an aircraft carrier, you know, holding the ceremonial pens and exchanging swords and so on, all thats gone. Yes, it is war. But its a war thats more like a cancer that you never quite rid from your body. Thats kind of where we are. And for the secretary of defense to say we are at war, most people in america are going to view that in the oldfashioned, capital with the w way and thats why some members on the one hand are coming to support the president s limited request and also worried about where this is going to go. As we all know in our constitution, if it is a war, it is the congress that declares war or authorizes explicit forces. Just this summer in july this white house officially said to the congress that they should, quote, repeal the outdated 2002 authorization for use of military force in iraq. Its no longer used for any u. S. Government activities and the Administration Fully<\/a> supports its repeal. Fast forward to today, and as you know, howard, they are citing that same resolution that they said should be repealed this summer as the actual legal authority, in part, for these operations all the way out into syria. What is going on . How can they say this with a straight face . Not just to hit the administration here, shouldnt this congress take, i think its most serious obligation seriously, and get involved in saying what the authority is here . Is it the 01, the 02 or something didnt or should it not happen . Youre absolutely right. I think the deeper point in this new era were discussing, what is a declaration of war . What is the constitutional requirement . If theres a sort of new definition of warfare, it requires a sort of new or rethinking of our definition of declarations of war. Now, going back a long way, going back to the time of the korean war, president s have avoided formal declarations for a whole host of reasons in the traditional sense that Franklin Roosevelt<\/a> did it, you know, at the beginning of world war ii after pearl harbor. But were in a new era. So, what is congressional input . What should it look like . It cant just look like what the administrations trying to pull off here. You cant use 12yearold or even older . Theyre even citing the original authorization of use of force in general from 2001, which is the blanket blank check that was ever written by the congress, i think. Now the president is interpreting it that way. After having been a critic, as a constitutional lawyer, of all this kind of thinking, he is now adopting it big time when it suits his political and strategic purpose. He needs to be called to account for that. Absolutely. And you look at the 01 authorization of force, abby, it was about 9 11. Isil is many things, but isil was not the brains behind 9 11. Howard, i think the right word here is interpretation. And on that point, it seems like the president continues to get trapped in his own rhetoric. We saw that a year ago in drawing the red line against syria. Setting this high expectation, not being able to follow through and jeereferring to isis a mont ago as the jv team. Ive been speaking out for a while about how, you know, this was a mistake. Just lay out all options on the table because were not sure what is going to happen with isis a week from now. Now were hearing from top commanders that if in the case air strikes are insufficient, this could lead to a scenario where there are boots on the ground. This was general dempsey just this morning. Take a listen, howard. If we reach the point where i believe our advisers should accompany iraq troops on attacks against specific isil targets, ill recommend that to the president. Howard, this could lead to a bad situation for the president if that ends up happening. Well, thats boots on the ground by any definition. What general dempsey just said right there. And i think theres no theres no question that the president does this repeatedly. Dont forget, he also said that the idea of successfully standing up an army of moderates in syria was a fantasy. He said that to David Remnick<\/a> of the new yorker not all that long ago. Now were living that fantasy. This president is cautious in action but sometimes way too definitive reer to torererhetor. If youre going to hold the cards close, you have to do it rhetorically and in terms of your deep strategy. Its a bad combination sometimes. It lifts peoples hopes up initially or it calms them down initially. But then a few days later we get in we confront a different reality from the one he described initially. Howard, i mean, to take a step back here and look at how dramatically and how rapidly the Political Landscape<\/a> has shifted, as evidenced by the president s comments then and now, you know, we were in the season of concerns about government overreach, the nsa, the National Security<\/a> state, Edward Snowdens<\/a> leak. Rand paul is even now shifting to say the president wasnt forceful enough and has been accused of flipflopping. So, its remarkable how quickly the American Public<\/a> has decided that they are at least somewhat ready to go on the offense here. Well, reading the polls, its fascinating. I think in the nbc poll, by a 3 to 1 margin, people want the United States<\/a> to take on isil isis in some way. Dont distinguish all that much between iraq and syria. At the same time in that same poll, by a 21 margin, people are very skeptical its going to achieve anything. That its really going to achieve the goal of degrading, let alone destroying isis. So, its a mixed view of the American Public<\/a> that on the one hand wants action but on the other hand is very dubious about it working. Now, that may actually be a realistic assessment of getting involved in the middle east. I mean, thats what happens. You try things and they dont work, but you still have to keep trying, i guess. Always love having Howard Feinman<\/a> on the show. Thank you very much, sure. Breaking news now. A new york state prosecutor has advanced a possible criminal case against nascar racer tony stewart. A grand jury will now decide whether stewart should face charges for a crash last month that killed fellow driver kevin ward jr. No word yet on a tile line for the grand jury to decide on an indictment. More the cycle next. This is the age of knowing what youre made of. Why let erectile dysfunction get in your way . Talk to your doctor about viagra. Ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. Do not take viagra if you take nitrates for chest pain. 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Meantime, atlantic hurricane edourd. The u. S. Mainland should be spared except for serious rip tides as soon as tomorrow. This afternoon, the u. S. Is stepping up its role in stopping the ebola outbreak. Within the hour, the president touched down in atlanta where he is right now being briefed by doctors at the cdc. In just about 30 minutes, at 4 00 eastern, the president will announce new steps the u. S. Is taking to fight the virus. Well take you there live, of course, when it happens. Those steps include sending 3,000 u. S. Troops to west africa, an additional 88 million for support. Already the u. S. Has spent 175 million dispatching health care workers, food, water, equipment and a small military Field Hospital<\/a> all to west africa. Before he left washington today, president obama met with dr. Kent brantly and his wife in the oval office. Brantly, one of four americans who contracted the virus. He was working on patients in africa. And he testifies before congress on the global ebola threat next hour. This is no longer a crisis that is limited to africa. Its fast becoming a u. S. National security priority. Karen greer is with our nbc affiliate in atlanta and joining us live. Karen, what is the latest there and tell us more about what you expect to hear from the president. Reporter krystal, you hit it on the head. This is no longer a problem, as people like to say, over there, but reaching epidemic proportions for us as well, that fear that more people could be effected with the ee local ba virus right here in the United States<\/a>. Thats part of what the president is talking about. Why he wants to make sure more funding goes towards stopping that virus in west africa and keeping it from making it u. S. Soil. We have a patient here actually right now from west africa whos at Emory University<\/a> hospital being treated for ebola. You know who other patients, Nancy Writebol<\/a> and kent brantly were treated at emory. Theyre doing fine. We had a chance to see them. That battle is being fought, slowly, but they need more funding. You talked about that, 500 million diverted to make this happen. From the war in afghanistan, the president asking for this money to come to the fight against ebola. Theyll build 17 they want 17 new centers with 100 beds apiece to be built in liberia to try and help combat this virus. 3,000 new military personnel will be on the ground there. Theyre not going to be working with people with the ebola virus but creating the medical centers, trying to help keep the virus from spreading back here. So, Senior Administration<\/a> officials telling nbc news that, you know, they expect the military personnel to be on the ground within the next couple of weeks. But we will hear all of that from the president in just about 30 minutes. And we will keep you updated. Back here from emory osr, actually, outside cdc. Thank you so much. President obama will also call for expediting the approval process on some of the experimental drugs currently being developed right here in the u. S. For more on that and what else can be done to stop the virus from spreading, lets bring in director for Texas Childrens Hospital Center<\/a> for vaccine development. Doctor, thank you for being with us. Lets start with these Additional Resources<\/a> being sent to west africa. What are we hoping that we can accomplish with the additional troops and money . Well, its a very impressive response, i have to say, 3,000 troops, 17 clinics, upwards of 150 million. I think what this is going to do is stabilize the region and take the first important steps to bringing this horrific epidemic under control. Talk to us about these specific drugs that have worked. How can they expedite those and how can they work . Well, i think rights now we have some early stage products in development. Theres a new drug which could be introduced. We have a new vaccine being tested at the nih. We have immune globulin for those who have survived. But we dont have the infrastructure to deliver the treatments. So to bring in new interventions in this chaotic situation is next to impossible. I think this shock and awe response will do is, one, help stabilize the region, help provide a mechanism to bring in new interventions and also provide a back bony for other foreign aid. I dont think anybody expects the United States<\/a> to be the sole provider of all these interventions. We have to bring in the uk, other european governments. We have to see the other brick countries step up but at least we have an infrastructure to do that. We have 5,000 cases. 50 of those folks are dead. The w. H. O. Is estimating we could get to 20,000 infections before this is all done. Can you talk about why this particular strain of ebola is spreading so quickly and why its the fatality rate is so high . Well, the reason its spreading so quickly is in part because of the completely collapsed infrastructure. This is actually not a virus thats all that easily transmissable. In the past weve seen small outbreaks in rural areas, maybe a couple hundred people. You have to remember, this is these are three nations, liberia, sierra leone and new guinea that have just survived years or decades of civil war, to total decimation of their health care infrastructure. This is a pattern weve seen over and over again. We had more than 100,000 people die of calazar during the sudan conflict. We had 300,000 people die of sleeping sickness in the congo in the 70s and 80s. This is a recurring theme the world has to wake up. If you have the combination of conflict and poverty outbreaks of infectiouses diseases will follow. Doctor, when we talk about Foreign Policy<\/a> and military threats to the country. We hear a lot about going over there, stopping them over there so they dont get to over here. Why dont you think that kind of logic is applied as frequently to stopping these diseases and these risks over there, doing more foreign aid, more proactive policymaking before it gets here . Wellbeing i think its not just a question of it getting here. I actually dont think the risk do not think the risk of ebola coming to the United States<\/a> is all that high. I think its about stabilizing the region. This is this is going to be needed to stabilize west africa, where the u. S. Has a lot of overseas interests, as does the rest of the world. And because its the right thing to do. Because we cannot allow another situation like we saw in southern sudan or in dr congo during the last half of the 20th century. We cannot just sit by and allow 250,000 people die. The w. H. O. Estimate of 20,000 deaths, thats just an early estimate. Revised estimates now saying given the fact weve seen half the ebola cases over the last two or three weeks, that this could climb to 50,000 or 100,000 or even 250,000 deaths. So, thats why we have to do this now. Thats horrifying. Doctor, thank you so much. And up next, hitting the nfl where it hurts. The bottom line. A major sponsor pulls away from the game. Whos next . Plus, a dollar figure america should consider before we go back to war. Crest 3d White Whitestrips<\/a> vs. Whitening trays. These trays feel a little loose. Its kind of hard to talk. The whitestrips really grip. Look at that. Crest supreme Flexfit Whitestrips<\/a> grip to your teeth, and whiten as well as a 500 professional treatment. Crest whitestrips. The way to whiten. I have a cold. I took nyquil but im still stuffed up. Nyquil cold and flu liquid gels dont unstuff your nose. Really . 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Now, you may have noticed the radissons logo was very visible monday behind the vikings gm and coach as they fielded questions about petersons playing on sunday. Radisson is the First Company<\/a> to distance themselves from an nfl Team Following<\/a> a week of bad press from around the league. But just now we got a new statement from anheuserbusch expressing its disappointment in the leagues handling of the situation, but not going so far as to pull its sponsorship. Other sponsors have largely supported commissioner Roger Goodell<\/a> and the nfl with marriott and fedex putting its trust behind the league, confident it will do the right thing. Still, radissons move could be the first in the nfls multibillion dollar. P. J. , pretty bold move by the Radisson Hotel<\/a> chain to simply unplug at this point. Do you think this is just the beginning . Is this what its going to take to ultimately get the change many of us are wanting to happen . The Radisson Development<\/a> is certainly one to watch. Typically in these situations, sponsors send to move en masse so you dont want to look like youre the lone holdout, but thus far the nfl has been able to keep, you know, their sponsors in line. No one has pulled any significant advertising or their sponsorship, leaguewide sponsorship. The anheuserbusch statement you read was quite interesting. It seems to be one of the more stern statements ive heard. A lot of advertisers have expressed confidence in the league that they will eventually do the right thing here. So, certainly in the next 24 hours this is something to watch. And, e. J. , what is this calculation they go through . Because another brand thats facing a sort of nightmare scenario, abby talked about the way the radisson logo was displayed prominently in the press conference where theyre fielding questions about Adrian Peterson<\/a> playing this sunday. Cover girl is now also facing a firestorm. They have this campaign. Its called put your game face on where they put game colored, teamthemed makeup on models. Wow. Someone photoshopped the image of the model wearing ravens colors with a black eye, for the fact that covergirl is still sponsoring the nfl. If youre a brand like covergirl, radisson, anheuserbusch, what is that calculation that makes you say, im going to stay . Its probably weighing the shortterm versus longterm implications of this. I think any brand like a radisson would probably get a nice, goowill from the public in the short term for taking a stand. But the fact is, a lot of these deals are longterm deals. And theres just not a lot have places on tv right now where advertiser can go and get in front of the kind of audience that an nfl game can deliver. Weve seen the ratings, for the most part, remain pretty steady. And the nfl has taken some steps. You know, theyve launched an investigation. I think a lot of brands are waiting to see what the next piece of news is to come out as a result of the investigation. Or if the public outcry really starts to accelerate like in covergirl, but covergirl has been anomaly in getting that kind of heat. Youre right about the ratings. Ravens steelers game, first game after the ray rice situation started blowing up, had huge ratings, so people are still watching in droves. And i wonder if theres a sort of disconnect that might help save the nfl . When we talk about politics, we talk about folks hate congress and love their congressmen and return them to congress. And i think folks are seeing the nfls problematic, seeing Roger Goodell<\/a> as problematic, but still saying, hey, i love my patriots or i love my Chicago Bears<\/a> or what have you. Do you think that disconnect would save the nfl . I think thats a goods point. They dont root for the nfl. They root for their individual team. And unless, perhaps, youre a Minnesota Vikings<\/a> fan or Baltimore Ravens<\/a> fan, you are probably more interested in, you know, who your starting quarterback is going to be this week. A lot of times the nfl for people is an escape. You know, they dont necessarily want to hear about this stuff. They just want to root for their teams. Thats absolutely right. E. J. Schultz, thank you for joining us. Up next, a late night appearance 50 years in the making. And whos the boss . Well, it could be you. What if there was a credit card where the reward was that new car smell and the freedom of the open road . A card that gave you that im 16 and just got my first car feeling. Presenting the buypower card from capital one. Redeem earnings toward part or even all of a new chevrolet, buick, gmc or cadillac with no limits. So every time you use it, youre not just shopping for goods. Youre shopping for something great. Learn more at buypowercard. 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With their own attitude and, lets face is, less than stellar work ethic, can a generation lead . Linda pollock says in her new book becoming the boss, shes a corporate consultant who has worked with everyone from ralph lauren to ge. Thank you for having me. One thing you talk about before a young person gets the title of boss, they can already start acting like a boss or taking on some of that role. And yet you read that you, you think about that at the same time a lot of young people are worried about or keeping a young guy. I called a research to get behind that information. We found that 83 of millenials already feel like a leader. They feel like leaders because i think theyre doing those things to act like leaders. Communicating more professionally, dressing the part for a leadership role, taking on volunteer opportunities to lead a project, to really stand up and say, im somebody who wants to have responsibility and, as you said, millenials are not often seen as doing that, so anyone who rises up and says, i want to take on a leadership role is going to get noticed. So, raising your hand is probably the first thing you can do to become a leader. Thats great advice. Theres a stereotype ari mentioned, that young people have a sense of entitlement. Thanks in large part to ive heard of that. Thanks to reality tv, social media has sort of heightened that. Is that real or is that simply perception . Because i think there is sort of the stereotype that i mentioned that young people feel like they dont need a boss. That they can start their own thing. Or they dont need to start at the entrylevel jobs. But is that real . There are 80 million millenials. I hate to characterize all of them as entitled but that is the biggest criticism you hear because a lot of millenials are mill millenials, a lot of them tech no logically savvy. They can get information quickly. They were often told by parents and teachers and coaches in a they are fantastic. You have guys like mark zukerberg, you know, i think that feeling is there. I think they want strainitraini to build their skills. If you combine confidence with real skills will lead to great things. We as americans are very confident. People at times when it is not deserved. But what do you think some of the common pit falls people fall into when moving up from the entry level place into a position of leadership. By far the most common pit falls was what made you successful as an individual contributor doesnt mean youre a good boss. 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Launched air strikes against isiss held positions near baghdad. There might be a war might not be. Im sure if bombs were being droped on our country we would know what to call it. The president is repeatedly clear on the troops. Outside of those folks, there will be absolutely no u. S. Boots on the ground. We will not, he said, get dragged into another ground war in iraq. Yet these wars are hard to swear with the pledge to degrade and ultimately degrade isil when secretary kerry is clear that air strikes alone cannot defeat isis. So far the only ones stepping up to put boots on the ground is iran and syria. Already we have gone from standing back in iraq to taking action exclusively in the service of the humanitarian goal of rescuing them facing extermination, to arming the Syrian Rebels<\/a> and leading a coalition in a military offensive to destroy isis. We seen this escalation because unfortunately our military commitments are not governed by our selfartic lated rules, or aspirations, they are governed by complex fact ds on the ground. Let us have no illusions, either a threat dangers National Security<\/a> or it doesnt. If it doesnt we can quickly lose our appetite for intervention when cost the war escalates and we lose men and women on the ground. But to say we only fight with air power is to defy hifstory ad logic. Could get considerably messier. Isis has shot down a syrian war plane and they do in fact have anti aircraft capability. Unconfirmed. What would we do if faced with another black hawk down moment. Congress hears testimony today and prepares to vote to train armed Syrian Rebels<\/a> and the administration looks for alleys and launches an expanded campaign of air strikes. Lets be totally clear. We are committing to a military conflict in iraq and syria that may involve u. S. Troops on the ground and already involves a few. How far we go in, how long we stay, how much it cost will be determined by military necessity and on the ground reality, not best Case Scenarios<\/a> or wishes how we want the conflict to go. No one would dream the last iraq conflict in iraq cost 2 2. 2 trillion. Theres no such thing as a little bit of war. Now back to you. President obama is leading the International Effort<\/a> to stop the threat of ebola and hes leading from the front. This Health Crisis<\/a> is unparallels in modern times. Unparalleled in modern times. President obama is announcing this afternoon, a massive mobilization to combat eastbound in west africa. 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