Discussed in great detail by the communities, by the families of our military men and women. And they very much want a safety valve on this. So, in response, this morning was give me within 15 days the operational specifics of how that would work. And then i believe we should review that policy within 45 days. Its a different approach. And administrations guidelines from civilians returning home from west africa. President obama says thats exactly as it should be. They are not there voluntarily. Its part of their mission thats been assigned to them by their commanders and ultimately by me, the commander in chief. We dont expect to have similar rules for our military as we do for civilians. Regardless, this is a desperate push by medical professionals to make sure america understand they pose zero risk unless theyre symptomatic. If theyre an ebola carrier, they cannot get you sick unless they have a fever. Chris jansing has been traveling with the u. N. Ambassador to west africa, samantha power. There is fear out there about what ebola is. The people of liberia have experienced this firsthand because fear and misunderstanding and incomplete understanding of the science impeded the early days of the response. And in the United States, ebola is also a very new disease. Its the first time people have thought about ebola. Health care workers meeting with the president have been in west africa or gearing up to head over there. World bank reiterating fears upon their return might keep 5,000 workers from returning. There are 13,000700 reported ca. Kristin welker gets us started at the white house. What should we expect from the president in his address in about 40 minutes . First of all, you can expect dr. Kent brantly to introduce president obama. The optics meant to reassure the American Public that ebola can be dealt with. That the administration is on top of this. President obama will thank the Health Care Workers for their service, for their dedication and likely defend the administrations handling of this issue here in the United States. I anticipate well hear similar comments to those he made yesterday on the south lawn when he talked about why this administration is opposed to a mandatory 21day quarantine. Administration argues it could disincentivize Health Care Workers to go to west africa to stomp out this disease at its root. Of course, they need thousands more Health Care Workers to go overseas to get a handle on this. I anticipate those are some of comments youll hear from president obama. And it comes just as were learning that the military has, in fact, imposed that 21day mandatory quarantine. When asked about this during the daily press briefing, whether this sent mixed messages, White House Press secretary josh earnest said it didnt. The military is a separate entity from those volunteers going to west africa. Similar comments we heard from president obama. Clearly, this is the debate thats going to continue in the coming days, particularly as we see what is happening in new york and new jersey and now maine with the nurse there, nurse hickox, who said she is not going to abide by the mandatory quarantine that has been put in place. Ari . Thats a controversy people will be following closely. Kristin welker at the white house. Thanks for your reporting. For more on the politics of ebola, well bring in bryant boitler, Senior Editor at the new republic. You look at this and think back to other times weve had Different Levels of crisis and people saying about the president , why doesnt he get angrier or understand his job is partly theater . And it is. When you look at deepwater horizon, calls for him to go to the border, and now calls, not just from republicans, he needs to be more forceful, more angry about the threat to the nation, it seems to run against the precedent here that we have a pretty calm evidencebased commander in chief who is going to let the evidence lead him and not a membomentary need for the theatrics. I think the fact that president obama addresses the nation two days in a row, maybe he was too cool about his imperative outset but it doesnt mean the president needs to be withdrawn. When you say he was too cool at first. What do you mean . This is something people worry about. Theres no nationwide panic but something the public wants regular updates on, reassurances about. And those sorts of reassurances can actually further the president s goal of stemming, you know, too much panic or too much fear about this. And his initial approach was, you know, this is not a big danger, so i dont need to be, you know, super public facing about it didnt pay off when we saw the first case and then the transmissions in texas and then the situation in new york and then the situation in new jersey. And president obama can actually advance his goal of keeping the public cool about this by interfacing them more than he was at the outset. Maine Governor Paul Lepage is trying to force kaci hickox to be in quarantine until, i believe, november 10th even though she remains asymptomatic. She got out of Chris Christies quarantine and now shes in maine and falling into a potential paul lepage quarantine. Just when i thought i was out, they pull me back in. Theres a battle, it seems, between the white house and the states quarantine issue. Why is the white house losing this battle even though they have science on their side . I think theres something very intuitive about these ideas of about quarantine, about travel bans. You know, it makes sense to people at an intuitive level when the science and the experience with this disease suggests that the opposite is that for Public Health workers, for volunteer Health Workers who are experts, who know how to take care of themselves and know how to check themselves for symptoms, it is completely safe to not quarantine them and let them selfreport. And imposing quarantine upon them will reduce their willingness to go fight the illness at its source in west africa. So, the politics locally for whether its paul lepage or cuomo or christie, you know, quarantine sort of makes sense from that perspective. From the per peculispective of white house which wants to, first and foremost, get ebola under control at its source, the opposite is the case. The white house is in the constant tug of war with governors everywhere. Somebody who might have had contact with an ebola patient and ends up you know, if thats where they live or whatever. It is incredibly disheartening that politicians seem to be guiding their response here by what they see in the polling on a Public Health crisis is, to me, just unbelievably troubling. Turning to the midterms, more and more politicians are seizing on ebola as a political issue. Weve seen an uptick in the number of ads mentioning ebola before october 21st. Weve got the numbers on the screen. There were 484 ads mentioning ebola. Now between october 21st and 24th, just three days, we had 734 mentions of ebola. I mean, are public fears actually at this level where this is an effective issue for politicians coming down to the wire here in this Midterm Election . So, i think the hope here is that this works on the margin. Theres Political Science supports this idea that a public thats sort of afraid or panicked or terrorized, their politics end up leaning a little more conservative. I think the hope here is that, you know, as senator rand paul did and other republicans have done, if you ratchet up the fear factor about ebola, then people who are conservative republicans, who might not have voted, will vote or the few, you know, swing voters who havent made up their minds yet will ultimately decide to vote for the conservative candidate. I dont think that this reflects an actual state of public panic. The polling suggests that the vast majority of people have faith. Whether they believe there should be quarantines or travel bans, they actually have faith the federal government working with state governments can prevent the spread of the disease in the United States. So, this isnt mirroring the public. This is hoping to motivate people at the margin. And feeds into the overall narrative of uneasiness so the government cant get a handle on our greatest problems, including isis. I want to ask you about the ebola czar, two weeks ago today we heard the president was going to appoint an ebola czar, ron klain to not only lead this effort but to also make us feel a lot safer. In the past two weeks, maybe im missing something, but i havent seen ron klain at all. Josh earnest was asked about this a few moments ago. Even before ron started in this job, we were clear, at least i was clear, about describing his role as one that was principally behind the scenes. And that the need for him to play that coordinating role would limit his ability to make a large number of public appearances. I mean, brian, limit his ability, i dont think hes had any appearances. We just have a misunderstanding as to how public that role would be . Yeah, i think that thats basically right. And i think that the fact weve seen president obama now twice in two days is a standin for the idea that the ebola czar was going to be the public face of the nations ebola response. In fact, its going to be the president. Ron klains job is to manage a very complex interagency process that involves the cdc, the department of defense, the faa, the National Security council. He needs to make sure that theyre not stepping on each others toes, theyre all on same page both in terms of Public Communications and responses. Sort of like the white house has a legislative liaison, a liaison to capitol hill supposed to keep members of the white house and congress on the same page. And that person almost never enter takeses with the press. Ron klain is being super bureaucrat behind the scenes. Im not sure that means well never see him at a press conference or that he wont hold background discussions with reporters at some point, you know, between now and when his job comes to an end. But the publicfacing role of trying to keep the public informed and, you know, not on knifes edge about the situation, you want your public communicators like the president or his official spokes people doing that job. Super bureaucrat, just in time for halloween. You know, only in washington would people say someone who was working a lot and not selfpromoting obviously have some kind of work ethic problem as to how they measure it. Thank you for your time. Up next well look at why the u. S. Is increasing security at buildings near you but says not to worry. And we are, as we mentioned, expecting to hear live from the president in about half an hour fresh off his white house meeting on this ebola response. Well bring that to you as soon as it happens. The cycle rolls on for wednesday, october 29th. International rugby on soldier field. Usa the home of the brave versus new zealand land of the warrior. 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No specific threat but we find ourselves once again 13 years after 9 11 facing a new front on this war on terror. Friend of the show, david ro rothkoffs new book National Insecurity how super power operates on super crisis mode. David, thank you for being with us. Great to be back. I would argue the game hasnt even changed since the months youve written the book. Well, there seems to be new examples of kind of these outbreaks of fear that are capitalized on politicians. And you were just talking about it in your last segment. You know, i heard somebody yesterday observe that fewer americans had died of ebola than have actually been married to kim kardashian. You saw that, too . Its true, its true. That was awesome. Puts it in perspective. This is a giant Health Crisis in africa. Its a Public Health issue in the United States. But people are trying to capitalize on it. You said, 1100 commercials in the last couple rounds of the campaign. And thats you know, thats ebo ebola. Its not isis. Its not al qaeda. Its not the other things that have driven this insecurity for the past decade and a half. That doesnt even get into the Public Health issue of paying too much attention to kim kardashian. Thats a Mental Health issue. We could talk about that all day. You write about the different styles, you compare george w. H. Bush to president obama and how they handle foreign policy. President bush being very decisive, making a decision and going with it, compared to president obama who is very reactionary. He likes to think on it, get all the information, take a number of meetings before he makes that decision. And oftentimes the situation has evolved from that point. How have those two different styles impacted where we are today . Well, i think theres an irony in this. You know, bush and the team in the wake of 9 11 first reacted much as any other president would, but then by moving into iraq arguably overreacted by doing some of the things we did with the patriot act or doing some of the other things we did to wage this war on terror, seem to overreact. The signature move of that whole period was a war in iraq. Obama was ee lengthed to go in the other direction, has gone, i think, effectively too far in the other direction, is underreacting. That has caused new threats to rise and the signature of that looks like its going to be a war in iraq. So, thats a kind of tragic irony. David, it is another fascinating and really interesting and important book for you. Very well written. Thank you for this book. Everybody should read this if they want to understand where we are in terms of america right now. You talk about were in this era of fear that began on 9 11. We see this infecting every department in america and the way that we deal with isis, the way we deal with ebola and immigration and even the nsa. Fear is cloaking everything we do in this country. But you also write the actions of bush and obama may have planted the seeds for the beginning of the end of the age of fear. Where do you see that, sir . Perhaps thats wishful thinking. If you look, we swung one way, swung back too far the other way. I think history shows us when people try to seek the middle. You look at 2016, who are the leading candidates . Mitt romney, hillary clinton, perhaps jeb bush. Those candidates are much more to the center and i think thats much more where the appetite of the American People are, at least on these issues. They want america to lead. They want it to do with a positive agenda going guard. They dont want this kind of overreaction. But they also dont want an america thats sitting on its hands letting problems get worse overseas. Weve seen both of the extremes. I think they want effective leadership, effective leadership from the center. David, is our government, is our military set up to respond to these rising threats with the sort of flexibility that the situation calls for . Look, we have the most Capable Military in the world. We are the only country on the planet earth that can wage a war in space, on land, on sea and in the air. We can project force anywhere we want to on the planet. The military is exhausted from the past decade. But the capability of that military still remains much greater than anybody has anywhere else. I think what the military needs is clear leadership from the civilian side of the government, leadership that is not reactive but is actually in pursuit of a strategy. And i think what weve seen over the course of the past several years has been more reactive. We see a crisis. We respond to it. We see potential bad press, we respond to it. And when we try to articulate a strategy as the president did with regard to isis, we dont really get fully to where we identify our goals, the outcomes, whos really going to help us do the heavy lifting and how were going to get there. And those problems may leave some americans wanting to pull back. We hear a lot of talk about isolationism. There was a big cover story in National Journalism finding there really isnt much isolationism in mainstream debate. He notes we have troops in over 150 countries in some capacity. And that for all the talk of the i with t i word were on the other extreme, and folks like rand paul doesnt prefer