Day but a soldier or marine suffering from severe ptsd has to leave the theater early and leave their troops behind, come home to deal with family issues and then is compounded by money issues, then you throw on top of it the children. And that is always a dealbreaker in ptsd. So, we see more enhanced violence, greater violence when children are involved in custody battles. Anthony, on the point of the family, usa today had a quote from a neighbor of the exwife that he allegedly murdered. This neighbor said of the exwife, she would tell anybody who would listen that he was going to kill her and she was really afraid for her life. What kind of legal steps can you take when there are clear red flags as there seem to have been in this case to protect against this exact situation . Krystal, thats a very interesting question. Simply because you can get a restraining order. However, there is no one to protect you from immediate violence following that restraining order. The police do come and they do pay special attention to your house. But they are not there 24 7. Here you had a marine who when he was doing his deed and he approached his familys residence, he did it just before dawn. Very similar to training marines do in field assaults. You know, if someone has made up their mind to commit these acts, theyre generally successful. We had a situation where we had a marine hiding, running, in a wooded area for quite some time. Complicated situation for the police because its a wooded area. Far different from your urban searches. And because you have a marine whos perhaps armed and dangerous. You dont know. Talk about the challenges for Police Searching for someone in that wooded area and someone who is a marine. Wooded areas change the entire search game. It makes it incredibly difficult. The danger factor for Law Enforcement and civilians goes up exponentially. Because you need a tremendous amount of officers to hold ground. When you search an area and a trained marine can backtrack, come up behind you, ambush you. Theyre trained in ambush, trained in infantry techniques, so you have a severe problem there. You know, looking here at pennsylvania, folks who have followed will remember eric fein who killed that Police Officer in the same state, are there certain geographic areas or demographic trends that make these kind of acts, which we consider so heinous, more common . I dont see any Current Trends relative to the demographics. Weve seen this type of violence in suburban areas. Montgomery county happens to be a reasonably middle to middleupper class area. So its fairly affluent. Ari is referencing twice weve seen someone go on the lam in pennsylvania. Is there something about pennsylvania that would allow people to evade police for quite some time . Well, the rural areas do make it easy to evade police for quite some time. In this particular case, its not uncommon for the perpetrator to commit suicide because they undergo a secondary ptsd and that occurs after the act. So, we see no correlation. On ptsd, since you raise it, are these kind of times an appropriate moment to think about whether were doing enough for our veterans . Its something we talk about on the show a lot. You look at people where, obviously, theyre responsible for their actions but you look at the medical piece of this and whether were finding cases, getting people diagnosed and in some cases f theyre deranged, getting them the treatment they need. Thats a wonderful question. Simply because we are not doing anywhere near enough for the marines, soldiers sailors and airmen who are coming back. They dont get very much transition treementd when theyre coming out of combat zones. And they are prepared physically and mentally for combat. But they are not prepared to destress when they come from a combat situation back home. On that point of ptsd, thats obviously a part of the story, or certainly seems to be a part of the story that he was suffering from ptsd, but how do we talk about that illness in a way that doesnt further stigmatize those suffering from ptsd . Because we know the overwhelming majority are not going to go out and commit these kind of han no heinous acts. Unfortunately, Mental Illness is still stigmatized in this country. Health plans dont provide much in terms of economic remuneration. It needs a major study by the government and an implementation so that theres a destigmatation in the educational system and in society. Really, in terms of the soldiers coming back military can do far more and has far greater resources. It should be our top priority across the board. Anthony, youre the best person to put this in context, historical context. It feels like were constantly on the show talking about another shooting. And it is so devastating. Where are we when we look at years past . Does it seem like were seeing this more and more or is it worse than before now . At first we thought this is just a news cycle trend. In other words, we just hear more about them, but we check the statistics and there has been a pulse in the last three to four years thats increased about 20 . So the statistics simply dont lie. We do have many, many more incidents occurring in a concentrated period. Now, however, mass shootings, home violence, persontoperson violence has been occurring, you know, time infinite. Up next, a terror attack. Some gruesome, top of the top terrorists in the world are condemning it. Big 2016 news today. Jeb is making moves and a prominent democrat gets senator al frankens stamp of approval. Ari sat down with the progressive oneonone. Trust us, thats not the only interesting news he made. The cycle rolls on, tuesday, december 16th. O nourished. Rescued. Protected. Given new hope. During the subaru share the love event, subaru owners feel it, too. 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One of the youngest victims was just 2 years old. His parents waited desperately for word. The taliban says this is revenge for strikes against their hideouts. But the attack was so extreme, even by war torn pakistani standards that some Islamic Militant groups that usually back the taliban say this time they went too far. Noble peace prize lawyer yet malala who the taliban tried to execute at her school two years ago condemned the attack saying, quote, innocent children in their school have no place in horrors such as this but well never be defeated. In sydney, australia, Prime Minister tony abbott wants answers as to why he was not on watch list but was allowed out on bail. Two hostages and the gunman were killed. Police wont say how. The tactical cops stormed the cafe open fire, ending the siege, prompting an investigation into their strategy. Were getting together all the information so that we can piece together, bit by bit, exactly what happened. Both of those attacks are raising new concerns about global terror and terror sympathizers. We start with nbc news producer waj khan. All the attackers have been killed. Some blew themselves up. Some were killed by direct action from special forces who who were essentially choppered in from inland pakistan. One of the most tragic incidents in the countrys war on terror. For years the military specifically has been criticized by internal and external critics that it hasnt done enough to slam down against these forces. And then just this summer, when political momentum converged when the Pakistani Military got its act together and started massive ground and air campaigns against the militants, they struck back at the very heart, the very base of the city where these operations came out from and were targeted from. Essentially youre looking at a situation now where military families, army brats really, Young High School aged kids, who have been targeted. Nbc waj khan in pakistan. Thank you so much. Lets bring in anthony roman. Anthony, let me start with you. On this horrifying attack by the taliban in pakistan. This is the largest attack they have had in years. Is this a show of strength or more of a desperate attempt to regain relevance . Well, i think the latter. This was a horrific attack. My biggest fear and what ive been writing about and speaking about for several years is that we are vulnerable in the United States for this very type of attack. We see the dovetailing into the sydney siege, where in a public place, a place of gathering, place where children are traveling, that these poor, poor children. I mean, just horrible. Absolutely. I mean, there arent words to describe this kind of horrific attack. Fawaz, for people who follow pakistan, it was, of course, a very busy summer with that crackdown. Speak to us about the paradox here. I dont want to oversimplify at all. George w. Bush was criticized for smoking out all the terrorists. We want to find them. We want to defeat them and yet. Seems the paradox, as i put it, or the tough catch22 here in pakistan is you bring these guys out, you go after them. When they come back, they come back so furiously, i wonder if some people there are thinking this is not the right strategy. Well, i think youre raising a very important question. I mean, for your own viewers, theres all out war between the pakistani state and the Pakistani Taliban militants and their allies. The Pakistani Taliban, if they lose in chaotic coalition, about 30 groups located mainly in the tribal areas along the afghan pakistani border. Since june Pakistani Army has launched all out offensive to move out the tribes, mostly northwestern waziristan. According to official sources, more than 1500 taliban fighters have been killed and tens of thousands have been displaced. So, this is the context. What youve seen today yesterday and today in pakistan, it is a direct attack against the Pakistani Army itself. The most powerful institution in pakistan. Remember, this military college, even though you have civilian kids, children attend this school, most of the kids are sons of senior and junior officers. And this particular attack, as a pakistani spokesman, Pakistani Taliban spokesperson said, we attack children, all their children. Think of this viciousness, children between 12 and 16 years old, elderly, old children, so the attack was meant to exact vengeance against the military. It was a attack, an instinctive attack. This is vintage Pakistani Taliban. I this was a mass car. Think about what they did in 2007. Inaugurated the birth of the Pakistani Taliban. The attack that killed the four the former Prime Minister bhutto. 2013, attack on a sunday school, christian school, killed 80 children. On and on and on. But this is now all out fight between the pakistani state and the Pakistani Taliban. Even though the Pakistani Taliban has suffered a great deal of setback, obviously, they still have the ability to come back and really exact a huge, huge cost on the civilian and the military population. Unfortunately, that is clearly the case. Stick with us. Reporter krystal, im standing in front of what is a shrine now to the victims, to carek Katrina Dawson and tori johnson. The scene is now an active crime scene because behind this is the Lindt Chocolate cafe where that siege happened. As people come and lay flowers and write notes, in the meantime, authorities are trying to figure out how it happened. How did this gunman escape the net . Why was he on bail . This was a man wanted as an accessory to a murder of his former wife. This was a very Violent Crime in which he was stabbed and then set on fire. What was he doing on the streets . These are just some of the questions that are being asked. Meantime, theres an increased Police Presence here in sydney. Something called operation hammerhead where were seeing police on the streets. Theyre going to be in public places, on transport and also near iconic buildings like the opera house. That will take place over the next several weeks. Back to you guys. Nbcs sarah james in sydney, australia, thank you for that report. Still with us, Anthony Romans and fawaz gerges. Its been 24 hours since weve been able to die gust what happened in sydney yesterday. The debate then continues around what the solution is for these lone wolf attacks. You know, the military and the police can do so much to detain the situation, but beyond that, the question is, what more can be done . Youve mentioned that this is a sociological problem and also a generational problem. It really is. The lone wolf attack has a very long history that dates back even prior to the 19th century. And weaver seen it in the col y colonial period in africa. Weve seen it in the middle east and in europe and the United States. The lone wolf is very difficult to stop. Near impossible to stop. P. Requires in terms of Tactical Police containment, tremendous intelligence work. Thats the gathering of broadbased information. I mean, you have timothy mcveigh, you have andrew brevic. They did tremendous damage but they conceal their activities very well by buying small quantities of nitrite, which was used in explosive devices for those massive, massive truck bombs. So, you simply have to have great intelligence but you also have to have the judicial system working with you. There is no reason this cleric should have been on the street given his past criminal record and theres really no good explanation for it. Fawaz, you think about this selfproclaimed cleric in sydney. I think about how the actions of the lunatic fringe muslim lone wolf has an impact on the over 2 billion peaceful muslims around the globe and the way that the masses have to pay for the actions of the rare few. Again, youre absolutely correct. I mean, all it takes is one disturbed individual. One deranged individual to basically i mean, i was here in the heart of london and probably new york. I mean, the entire Media Industry in the world focus on this particular disturbed individual. And basically connections were made between isis and this particular individual. The irony is, he didnt have a flag. The flag of isis. He requested a flag of isis. The irony, too, is that he was not a sunni muslim. I was a shiite muslim. As you well know, isis has a genocide against the shiites. Here you have a shiite whos been targeted by isis yet portrayed by many Media Outlets as somehow part an extension not only of isis but also of the muslim threat. In germany just 15,000 protesters basically have taken to the streets in the last few days denouncing and condemning the president of muslim communities. And this does a great deal, the idea of islam phobia. Let me save a few words about the lone wolf attack. Think about whats happened in pakistan inspect nine militants exacted basically, created, triggered a mags car. It could have been much worse. You have 2,500 students in the school. It could have been much worse. Thanks to the Security Forces that prevented a much bigger loss. The reality is, we feature our students. I Teach International relations. Will is no absolute security. International relations or even in domestic society. Think about what happened on 9 11. 19 young arab men brought death and pain to american shores. You cannot guard against either the lone wolf attacks or even soft targets. We live in open societies. Insecurity is part of our own wellbeing, the postmodern man. The reality is, we live in an age what i call the terrorism curious. The curious of disturbed human beings who basically would like empowerment through the barrel of a gun instead of basically making the journey in this life. Fawaz gerges and anthony roman, thank you. 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