Team. And Isis Al Shabab and polk are the new face of terror. Jeh johnson is warning us to be vigilant. These groups are relying more and more on independent actors to become inspired and drawn to the cause. Through the internet. And through smallscale attacks on their own. Im worried about the serious potential threat of in dependent actors here in the United States. Weve seen this in europe and in canada. The new pentagon secretary ash carter is meeting with ambassadors in kuwait and fourstar generals. It will require a combined diplomatic and military effort. That was abundantly confirmed by our discussion. The president today extended the National Emergency declaration for libya and said libyas lack of stability is a threat to our National Security. Libya is where isis linked militants have created another strong hold and executed two dozen christians. This is in addition to the war powers president obama is asking congress for to fight isis. Also on the radar today is the department of Homeland Security funding. It is set to run out at midnight on friday. And it could not come at a more dangerous time. Unless Congress Acts one week from now more than 100,000 dhs employees, Border Patrol inspectors, tsa agents will show up to work without getting paid it. Will have a direct impact on Americas National security because their hard work helps to keep us safe and as governors you know that we cant afford to play politics with our National Security. The senate is being called to session right now and they have a vote set at 5 30 eastern to move toward passing the bill. It is the fourth attempt to do so but it expected to fail again. We start with nbcs john yang outside of the mall of america. What is the mood there . Are shoppers hesitant . Abby maybe it is Terror Threat fatigue but it is business as usual here at mall of america. There is increases security and foot patrol canine units checking the mall out. But it is not overwhelming. It is not overpowering. They are continuing that message of vigilance, Message Boards inside of the mall reminding people if they see something, say something. But foot traffic is about normal according to the store managers i talked to. We talked to one family who spent the weekend shopping here from kansas. Interestingly enough the husband served in the army and a guard at guantanamo. He thinks americans are getting tired of all of this. The threats from cowards he said, in the middle east and he just wants america to get on with their lives and wants to get on with his life. Abby. John yang thank you for that. And a man who knows firsthand what is happening, my dad, former governor john hunts zs huntsman, it is great to have you on. This is the most intimidating moment for me. Because krystal is back. Quite an intimidating figure. And so al shabab is calling for an attack on the mall of america. And this is just the latest in dealing with terror and this makes us question how well are we prepared the governors and the mayors in dealing with an attack like this. And as a governor are we prepared for this. I dont think anybody is prepared heaven for bid for this, and we are better prepared before 9 11. There is more cooperation between the mayors and the governors associations and they talk about this stuff and they are hitting a higher standard and all of that is good. And we need to take these kinds of threats very seriously. What we are hearing from al shabab isnt anything new. They want to achieve a couple of things. One, they trying to inspire a copy cat event something similar to the shopping event in nairobi where people died in 2013 and second they are trying to wreak economic havoc with the United States than what better way to go after shoppers and malls and hit the consumer side of our economy and they know it has a real impact. So it is real and has to be taken as such. It is unfortunate were having these acrimonious discussions about talking about Homeland Security at this time of National Security emergency. But i would say at the local levels abby were as prepared as weve ever been prepared before. Is this dinner table conversation. I would like to be a fly on the wall there. It is. And speaking about the political fight over dhs funding, as abby said running out on friday at midnight and we had this showdown because of this point over immigration and using this funding as the vehicle to make the point. Is that the right place to have that debate . Well there are concerns their concerns are justified in minds around the executive orders as it pertains to immigration and 4 Million People immediately impacted by it so they are tieing it into Homeland Security. This is a loss for my party, the republican party, if in fact funding or a fix isnt achieved by friday. Because i dont think this are a whole lot of americans in this country who want to see anybody playing politics with something as important as funding for our domestic security. So my guess is well see what we always see in this these situations unfortunately and that is kicking the can down the road. That is the modus opnner endy. And this is our in ability to solve the big problems that stand before us and in this case immigration. Because it has gone so long without any kind of fix or solutions. This is now an outgrowth of a broken immigration system. To get to where we need to be you have a whole cue of big things to fix from entitlement to immigration. And well be dealing with this for a while and the next president , he or she and perhaps the president after that and the more we attack them, the more recruiting tool they get out of that but there is no nation we can rely on to handle some of the battle. It permanent war, is that inevitable for america and detrimental for america . I think a longterm commitment to security in the region is a part of our lives. I have lived and abby lived in asia several times and we have a security presence in japan and korea and a security presence in europe since 1945. Whether you like it or not, america is an insurance policy for most of the world. And you can debate it and you can discuss the merits of it but it is very real. What we are facing now with in north africa and the middle east you have states with no legitimacy and they run from libya to iraq and syria and now yemen. And until such time as you are able to get political legitimacy where citizens can feel good about belonging to their country and feel some pride in pledging allegiance to that country and find opportunity youll have a huge problem. So the Security Side is one aspect and United States has to play a role and the United States can play a role with the second one too, and that is working with the allies, the key players in the region and israel has to be part of that as well in working toward governance transparency and bringing lentility massey to the areas responding real bad behavior and that is a long term slog but the United States has to be involved in that. When you look at the work that isis is doing, what is the metric you would use to assess it as a threat and as it claims to be a nation state and an em emmy. And you work worked with japan and other great rivalryies for the United States, and there are reports they are losing on the battlefield even as the u. S. Has the shock wave of reaction to the videos. And you have china which you can see through the traditional power politics and isis which is out of the modern world and an extension of the diffusion of power that weve seen. The rise of of social media. The ability for somebody to call for a revolution and people show up. Weve never seen that phenomenon before. And now you have a group rise up that isnt a nation state but it controls a territory as large as many states here in the United States. They have funding through oil and through Islamic Charities out of the gulf primarily and bringing people in and they have a claim against the United States and the west and as such we have to take it seriously and work not only unilaterally but indeed with our allies to make any progress against it. But i would say by virtue of the expansion now into north africa weve seen what happened most recently in libya, you cant understate the threat regional regionally and domesticicly and whether you are a republican or a democrat not the Rudy Giuliani conversation, but this is the conversation. And you mentioned libya, they have been silent and why . Shouldnt they have a role . Theyll have to have a role and theyll have to have a Global Responsibility and they have a large Muslim Population that has been there for a millennia and there are some issues there that the chinese dont like to talk about but are very real. And so it is in their interest to be part of the broader conversation on counterterrorism and fan at isism because it will increasingly impact there. And they are just beginning to feel their way around the world on issues other than trade and economics. China is a transactional company and most of that is trade and economics. Theyve shy add way from even though theyve contributed to u. N. Peace keeping and antipiracy in the gulf and that is good but they need to take baby steps in that direction. Dad, you will stick with us. And well let you know what really happens at the huntsman dinner table. Well take a quick break. 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He said the National Attention on wisconsin and his recall election prove he is ready for a facial race but he has hit some rough spots recently ducking questions about evolution and then saying this weekend, he just doesnt know whether president obama is a christian or not. And all of that has some conservatives there questioning whether walker is up to the higher pressure of a president ial campaign. Well governor jon huntsman is here with us and peary bacon, and we were talking about no matter how high profile of a governor you are, this prepresident ial race period is still a lot of pressure. Oh, enormous pressure. And so what were experiencing now is called the invisible primary. And the invisible primary is a period during cl you raise money and during which you raise money and hire staff and get buzz and make mistakes early on and learn from those mistakes so you dont get tripped up later on but there is a period some of them are in where you are expected to make a few mistakes and learn from the mistakes and be better and stronger forward. But i think the republican field is a strong one and you have good governors and the good news about that is that governors are a proven commodity. You know what you get. They have a track record. They have a governing style and a temperament and a list of successes and failures and a different approach tort getting things done with problem solving. So on the republican side i think the party is well served by the slate that is now out there. And perry, your view on that slate and how scott walker is doing . This is not a great moment for scott walker. And agree with mr. Hunter this is a stronger field than 2012. Hey, hey. That was one notable exception. There were people who were running for tv shows more than president in 2012. That is aside of governor huntsman and romney. But i would say that Rudy Giuliani said something that was deplorable and the other candidates did not enforce it. And these are easy questions in february. Whether scott walker is ready or not is too early to know. But is obama crist yap is not a christian or not is not a hard question. Yes. He created a controversy where one is not needed. I think the original comment is not a mistake. But Rudy Giuliani is not running and scott walker is and all of the candidated had to answer the question do you think barack obama loves america and is a new spiritual birth and everybody has to touch on it, do you think the president is a citizen of america. It is funny but there is a loud dog whistle with both of those things. And why is this abject hatred of the president still discourse . It is silly we are having this conversation and focusing on these sound bites. And for a guy like Rudy Giuliani who served this city during a time of need and respected by people to say those kinds of things is unmanageable in my mind and now you have the candidates who can deal with it as they plaesz please. I think marco rubio handled it well. The president love this is country and we wont get into that. I just dont happen to agree with his policies and here is what i propose to do. That is an example of somebody who turns the lemon into lemonade and so lesson learn. Answer quickly and move on with life. Perry, the governor was talking about this invisible primary and folks make mistakes and you learn from them and move on. How much impact does a major misstep here by scott walker how much of those things have an impact on the way things develop . They dont until it is a big one. Political science shows that we in the media cover guffaws and the 44 show he was going to lose any way, but when rick perry couldnt remember his close and reinforcing if he is smart to be president but he has to start answering questions. The im punting on things becomes maybe you dont know what you are talking about and that is the issue. But right now it is early. And can i say, abby im going to punt on that one. You have to be able to do better than that. Especially over in the u. K. Trying to move you have more than just the governor of wisconsin. And then again this is an example of newcomers to the National Stage venturing forward. You know how to control things in your own state and you know the local reporters and the issues extremely well and scott walker is an example of somebody who has done well and reelected a few times in his own state and now it is the National Stage and you have new things thrown at you and new reporters and some actually trying to trip you up. Perry of course would never do a thing like that. You were a great candidate, mr. Huntsman. Lets be clear. [ laughter ] but, dad, i dont know if youve heard this before some compare you to jeb bush. There are a number of articles about that. But what do you have in common is youve been problemsolving governors. And he has said im willing to lose the primary to win the general election. He doesnt seem like the type of guy willing to pander which is how people saw you when you ran last go around. If he sat down with you, give me your advice you just went through this what lessons could you give me. My biggest mistake was i didnt put abby out in front soon enough. Far be it for me to give jeb bush any advice. We stumbled in our own efforts. He comes along and brings a solid record as a governor and a great name and doing out of the ballpark work on fundraising which will carry him out of the primary and into supertuesday and he can carry his reform on things he is passionate about and he cant step back from that. He will have to articulate about. So dont pander. Where the base can connect in some as pecks, he cant a aspects, he cant back away from who he is and what he is passionate about and what he did as a governor. And when i was elected governor the hottest commodity in the country was jeb bush. He was a conservative governor of florida and a good manager and leader. So be who you are, dont leave anybody behind. Take iowa seriously, which we didnt do. It is tough to enter with a position that says im not if favor of subsidies for soy bean farmers. Take that seriously from the get go. And maybe hire abby huntsman. And while you are here there have been reports in utah about republicans talking about you potentially running for senate against mike lee who used to work for you. You have said not likely. But are you leaving the door open for another state run oh, no in the hot seat. Do i have to speak for me or the family combined . No just you. Let me say, mike did work for me when i was governor and he is an able able person. You might not always agree with his approach but he is an able individual. We are not competing in the 2016 election cycle i hope to jump behind people who will be good leaders and problemsolvers through 2016 and where things go from there, im in no position. So you say abby is run