Charges will be. Each day were learning more and more information from her as far as what her involvement was. What her relationships were with both matt and suite and from that were just developing leads that we continue to investigate. As for suite and matt dogs are out and on the prowl. Personal effects are available from the jail cell to give the dogs a scent and put them on it and like i said thats what those dogs do. Their whole life is working right now and want to find them. This is what were trained to do and what theyre great at. Some of the best dogs that are out there working. Theyll keep on it until theyre too tired to go and then thats when we bring in a second team to take on and keep on working. National krort adam riese with a unique perspective. What have you learned . Reporter good afternoon. Theyre all part of the search. Its the dhs, the state police the local, federal, all looking at a perimeter just about three miles from where i am. Its a fivemile perimeter. Coordination containment and saturation. They have contained it and now saturate. Theyve been in the process several hours now. They have 800 Law Enforcement officials part of this. Inch by inch going through this. What is to be very tough terrain, very thick woods. The weather has not helping at all. As they continue to search. Now, a dhs they gave us a tour of the assets theyre using. They have the search dogs that will pick up on some of these scents and got a new blackhawk helicopter that theyre putting to use along with the other chopper that is are in use to try to locate these people through infrared behind a rock or a building they can see them. Listen to what they had to say about what they cannot and can see from the air. These camera systems can look down on the ground and detect heat signatures so at night, they would fly over and turn on these devices and they would be able to see suspects that were hidden on the ground or that were fleeing. Now, the terrain and the weather is not going to get any better as evening comes. It will get even worse. The temperature will dip down to below freezing. Some officials have told us that they cant see ten feet in front of them. But the search does continue in this contained area. Theyre going inch by inch through this grid system. Abby . All right. Adam reiss, thank you for that report and now the guest, jeff hollis, a history professor here in the city but he also knows a thing or two about the new york state prison system. His dad worked at the clinton correctional and jeff focused his dissertation. And we have author of the art of the con. And how employees are manipulated by the people theyre charged with guarding. Jeff, as i said you knows the ins and outs of this prison system and the area. It is turned into an International Search and the focus is very choice to this prison. Are we running out of places where these two could be hiding . Well i think that if we think about this historically since thats sort of how ive been thinking about it over the past week the fact that they havent been found yet i think should indicate to us that they may actually have left the area. Its entirely possible that theyre nowhere close to where the search is actually going on. Id actually say that theres a 50 50 chance that theyre either there in that area where the police are searching or gone somewhere else and the search needs to be rowelocated. Lieutenant, lets get to the heart of why were talking about this. Joyce mitchell a woman who worked at the prison, helped them escape because she was manipulated by them. Some reports have said maybe she was smitten with one of them. So this is the heart of your book so lets get to the issue. Hows it that inmates are sable to manipulate the civilians around them when they have absolutely no leverage . Well, thank you very much for having me on. And i really appreciate the opportunity. I just want to start off saying theres a lot of good people in corrections. Theres welltrained people. And we and i was former correctional officer. Woirked at Fairfax County jail in virginia. We go by different moral plain than the inmates. We live by the rules. But youre dealing with a population that lived by their own rules and they enable people. They use people. They cheat people. The rules dont apply to them. So theyre going to look for any opportunity to exploit any weakness. I trained civilians in my job as programs director at the fairfax jail. I trained many civilian workers and the theme of our training and i had a great staff to do it with was you can never forget where you are and who youre dealing with. This is not the average person. If they see a weakness if they see a rule being bent or any kind of weakness at all, they will exploit it. And theyre masters at it. Thats why i wrote the book. I saw people i saw good people getting fooled. I saw people getting used and the careers were ruined. Family lives were ruined. So it it prompted me to write the book. And its now in the second edition. Well, its apparently a common enough problem that there are whole blog posts and professional advice out there teaching Correctional Officers how to spot warning signs among their colleagues what to look for if theyre developing an unhealthy relationship with an inmate. So, if youre one of these conartists to try to manipulate a prison worker, how do you start to get in and convince them to help you and youre a good guide and will be on their side . Excellent question. What happens is that you have inmates that theyre great listeners and i do inservice classes on inmate manipulation and boundaries. Theyre great listeners. They will hear if someones having a personal problem. They will hear if someones having a financial problem. They can exploit that. The staff and i tell my classes and i told my own staff many times, be quiet when youre around inmates. Dont let them hear too much about whats going on in your life. Dont give them personal information. Because they will take that and they will take it and they will run with it. So, for example, if i am reporting to work at the jail an im going through a bad time at home a divorce, or a separation, im talking to my colleagues and inmates hear it. The inmate mopping the floor. The inmate pushing the broom. That knowledge will get back to the inmate population. And what will happen is that theyll say, oh lieutenant cornelius is having trouble at home. And the next thing i know i might have an inmate come up and, hey, i hear you have trouble at home. Gosh, i just went through that too. Could be completely untrue and now looking at that inmate as not an inmate charged as or convicted as a crime, but wow, this is a person going through what im going through and thats where it starts. The door has opened. So a key thing in training is keep quiet. Wow. Dont let them hear too much or any personal information. Yeah. Thats really eerie stuff. Jeff, this hits close to home for you. You wrote your dissertation on prisons in upstate new york. Is there something were covering here . Is there something were missing about this prison about what could have happened here . Well ill just add a couple points to the discussion. One is that working inside a really tightly controlled environment, a maximum security prison, no prison even the tightest security prison is 100 secure. So, it is really i think important for people working in prisons to have aimable relationships with the people that are incarcerated to sort of keep the peace on a daily basis so thats sometimes does involve sharing details of ones life just to sort of maintain an even keel on a daily basis. Thats not to suggest every prisoner that finds out a personal detail will escape. My experience and my research showed that most of the prisoners who escaped over the past 170 years in the adirondacks were pretty lazy and dumb. They didnt have a plan for what they were going to do when they got out. They took advantage of moments of lax security. Many had not formed relationships with prison staff at all. So i wouldnt generalize too much about prisoners and the relationships they have with their officers. Because most of the time those relationships dont lead to the type of episode we have seen this week. Yeah. Gary, i wanted to build on that. This is ari in washington. Sure. When we look at this kind of situation, it allows the country to think more about what our prisons are doing and they have under the law two primary goals, to punish and when possible in theory to rehabilitate. Yes. And yet in the maximum security context, as you well know theres a constraint that often goes above both of those try mare goals which is to contain. Yes. With the hardened criminals and the elements they can be difficult, may not have a lot to live for, life sentences or extremely dangerous as we learn about the two individuals and in your experience talk us through the extra burden on the type of facilities that have to worry more about containing sometimes than anything else. Yes. First of all, doi agree with the professor. You can have interpersonal relationships with inmates. You just have to be very very careful what you talk to them about and you have to keep the subjects on an innocent level. Sports teams, movies pop culture. But personal life information you got to be very very careful. People that are in jails and prisons, yes, theyre desperate. They look at the outside through the bars and as one excon exinmate told me one time after attending a presentation said you know youre right. He said everybody that comes into that jail and prison has what i want and i said what do you mean . He said, access to the outside. So theyre going to try, if theyre being incarcerated for years and long stretches of time theyre going to come up with some pretty good ploys. And i think a key thing is Training Staff to watch out and the training is crucial, very very crucial. Not only if you wear a badge, but if you are a civilian going in to the institution. And training is key. And also we have to watch out for each other. If a sworn officer sees a civilian such as the one in new york, maybe getting too familiar with inmates, that person should be brought aside and spoken to and said you know they are prisoners. There are rules. And the rules are there for a reason. Think tleer for your safety. Theyre there for the safety of the public. We have to watch out for each other. I call it a type of watchover role. Great point. Lieutenant gary cornelius, jeff hall thank you both. We appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. 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Luke, what happened here and maybe more importantly what happens next . Well abby, a colleague of mine matt fowler said about the strategy of the president , the stepdad that wanted to have a relationship with his kid and went to the game and it blew up in his face. He was trying to make the case to them by going to that softball game, going to the meeting with them this morning to say, hey, help me out here an i wanted to take you through this. Its complex and important and interesting. Todays vote on tpa, trade Promotion Authority, fast track status for the president to negotiate trade deal with other countries without a process in congress subject to taa trade adjustment assistance which helps disenfranchised workers that may lose their jobs due to trade deals passing. Taa went down in a big way after nancy pelosi bucked president obama and her number two steny hoyer and said no way, i dont like how the deal is crafted. Im not going to go along with it. A lot of liberals in the party followed nancy pelosi as she is the liberal conscious of the House Democrats and it died. We all thought that was the end of it. Using a procedural tool Kevin Mccarthy brought up that tpa vote. It passed the house with 219 votes which means that if they can pass the taa on a revote by tuesday, then this entire thing passes. For that to happen though democrats are going to need to triple the amount they had on the final vote and obama will have to work the phones. Republicans will provide about 100 votes if they can because many in their party think that taa is welfare so all these stories about pelosi killing the obama president s little bit premature until tuesday and then see what happens after that. Nevertheless, some really exciting crazy things here on capitol hill abby. It is like a yoga session with ann romney in park city this weekend. Hope to see you there. Thats also going on. Luke, good the see you. For more lets bring in the best expert i know on this former governor of you that jon huntsman. And most importantly, my dad. Dad, always good to see you. Do i look okay . I didnt wear a tie and a nonwhite shirt. You always look forever and better than ari in d. C. With you. He looks okay. Listen. Dad, the president was on the hill as we were saying. One democratic lawmaker was quoted as saying he tried everything except let them try to Fly Air Force one and still leaning no. You have been through trade negotiations before. Are they usually tough to sell for congress or is this more about the administration and the president s inability to get a deal done . Theyre always pretty close and trade Promotion Authority gives the executive branch the authority to negotiate deals take it back to congress for an up or down vote opposed to renegotiating the content. This is from the 1974 trade act and trade Promotion Authority given in 75 until about 1995. I was then involved with the trade team in 2002 to reup trade Promotion Authority and thats the second round and then died in 2007. And you have to have trade Promotion Authority to actually get a deal done. And i remember back in 2002 under president bushs administration it carried by two votes and it was hydra ma trade is always pretty much hydra ma because its a division between how president s see trade. Whether republican or democrat president s generally support trade because its in the National Interest for the most part and then down to congressional districts and its more problematic and always isnt a good news story for a certain congressional district. Therefore, you have a divide. But i think its inconceivable that the president didnt have a better sense of where the speaker of the house was for heavens sake. For this to be a lastminute surprise where you should have been working this through months in advance is inconceivable. It is not what the white house wanted to parachute in for the moment of failure. But the story is not over. Walk us through why as you say president s see this as positive for the hunt. How these things work and speak if you will to something thats been criticized from both sides here which is that these deals are too secretive when theyre being formed. Yeah. And i will also add that luke brought up a good point in that trade adjustment assistance part of the trade regime about 40 years. Will have to be connected with trade Promotion Authority going back to the senate for this to ever see the light of day. And i suspect it will work and well have it then. But president s see this as fundamentally an important aspect of American Power because every nation wants to trade with the United States and we always see it at least in the political debates as kind of a negative. It is generally a positive for the United States. In terms of markets that become open. Standards that increasingly have been ratcheted up with respect to labor with respect to the environment, with respect to intellectual property protection. Its slow going and incremental but id much rather have the United States out there setting the standards for trade than certain other countries that come to mind. So president s will always see trade as a tool of national policy. And, for example, the pivot to asia, the rebalanced asia theres a military component, a diplomatic component and a trade come poe tpp.