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MSNBCW The Cycle June 14, 2016

Nightclub on a prior occasion and tried to talk him out of conducting any kind of attack. He will be along in a moment to give us new details. As americans pray for the vic m victims hospitalized here to recover, we also want to pay tribute to those who died. Regularly on msnbc today you will see their names pop up onscreen. You will see the names scrolling on the bottom of your screen from timetotime. That our tribute to them. We will get to politics in a moment and begin this hour with our Ongoing Investigation and learned omar mateens current wife, noor, is cooperating with the fbi saying she did try to talk her husband out of doing something violent. Pete joins us now. Good afternoon. We tked to several people who are familiar with what theyve been told and what the buy of omar mateen has told them since shes been questioned after the attack. She says that he asked her to drive she asked he asked her to drive him to a couple of locations to that he was considering attacking. That included the pulse nightclub. That she was aware that he was intending to carry out some kind of attack. How specific her knowledge was about what exactly he was pl planning isnt clear to us, nor is it to the people we talked to, but she told the fbi she was aware he was planning something criminal and something violent and she tried to talk him out of it. She was with him when he bought some ammunition and a holster, that she was generally aware he was planning to carry out something violent but did not tell the authorities because she was hoping she could talk him out of it and hopeful she could succeed in getting him not to do something. The fact that he went hd and did this and she never told police has exposed her to potentially criminal liability. The government is considering filing charges against her. Theyre continuing to talk to her staying at the home of mateens father in florida. They have made no decisions yet whether to charge her. Its possible they will charge her with this violation. Its a difficult balancing act. On the other hand, shes an important source of information about what her husband was dagg in the days leading up to this, she may be the key source for that. On the other hand, if she did know he was going to do something and failed to say it, obviously they cant let that go and would probably file charges if they feel confident enough her knowledge was solid enough she should have said something. Thats what theyre trying to figure out now and trying to decide whether to file charges. Pete, can i ask you about what the reporting earlier this morning, what we all woke up to this morning that perhaps omar mateen also spent time at the club, visited the club several times prior and may have been on a dating website aimed at gay men. Or at least used a dating app, used several dating apps according to several people who said they got messages from him. We know some who thought they got messages from dating apps have shown those to the fbi and the fbi said, naw, those are probably not right. There have been so many people who claim they saw him not only at pulse but other nightclubs in the orlando area, one official called that sort of overwhe overwhelming, theres little doubt the fbi now believes he probably was in these clubs. The question was what was he doing there . Was he simply posing, trying to learn more, case the joint and figure out what these people were all about or conflicted about his own sexuality. They dont know the answer to that and theyre very interested in these accounts what people are saying. Theyre by no means dismissing them. Pete williams following all aspects of the investigation. Thank you very much. Let me bring in former fbi deputy director, timur t tim murphy. Thank you for your time. Let me start with what we know today just reporting, the possibility of the man visiting this club pryor on one occasion with his wife and took him and brought him here. If youre in charge of the fbi investigation right now, what are your biggest leads . What are you pursuing . It wont be a linear investigation. The leads they will look at are his family connections to afghanistan, pakistan, some other groups they already acknowledged he may have been following or may have voiced his support for. You will start tracking down everybody he knows, look at his entire what path did he take to this radicalization. He may have cased other locations and this one he was more comfortable with. It appears he was reporting he can provide the maximum impact of his act in a crowded venue like this to extract the maximum pain to the United States and the people of florida. What do you make of the reporting he may have been on several apps aimed at gay men who were dating. People have read that as perhaps he was just trying to reach out in the community so he could know more about the community he wanted to attack or have you seen other cases where someone is gay and becomes radicalized to deal with the inner battle theyre fighting . Ive seen no prior particular case like this. Every single one of these cases is a little bit different. The fbi and other organizations will also bring in behavior l t lists to determine his activities and before leading up to this event. It may be part of it, what peter said, that hes conflicted in his sexuality and the reason he picked that location. He visited a number of times and maybe trying to find out more. At this stage, you have to let this investigation play out. These leads are happening all over this country and the world. They will track this down and interview probably literally thousands of people in this investigation to try to really get a picture leading up to the event and during the event and since the act occurred. Just as former fbi deputy director, i feel i must ask you about the trail here, the fbi director yesterday telling us they had eyes on this guy and were trailing him for 10 months, yet hes taken off the watch li list, able to purchase weapons. How do you explain that . You have to get inside to the requirements that the fbi has on the attorney general guidelines and what they also use, a domestic operations guideline, agents and analysts have to operate under. You can only open investigations into u. S. Citizens with reasonable suspicion of predicated acts and are reviewed sometimes on a 30 day basis by the supervisor with oversight so the fbi does not overstep its bounds when it comes to Civil Liberties in our country. Thats not an fbi decision, policy decision by the people of the United States. That does have to be revisited. The attorney general guidelines, the most recent ones were promulgated in 2011. That should be a living document. The threat today is different. The fbi needs additional authorities without overstepping bounds and violating peoples Civil Liberties to continue some investigations. From what i understand, theres three types of investigations, assessment, preliminary investigation and a full. From my understanding this was a preliminary investigation which means they had approximately six months to find out if this individuals intentions and determine if he was a terrorist. It was extended for four months which means they needed a longer period of time to either rule him in or out as a terrorist. In this case, unfortunately, they ruled him out based on interviews with him and in his circle and surveillance monitoring of his communications as well. Former dfbi director, tim tim murphy. Appreciate it. On capitol hill, were looking at Bernie Sanders speaking to the press. Lets listen in. This country is appalled and disgusted and grieved by what happened in orlando. It is impossible for any of us to understand what goes on in the sick mind of someone who commits and atrocity like this. Was he motivated by the ideology of some fanatic Islamic Organization which believes it is somehow heroic to mow down innocent and defenseless men and women . Was he motivated by homophobia and hatred of the Gay Community . Was he motivated by some kind of hatred of latinos . Was he suicidal and wanted to end his life by taking others with him . We may never know the answers to those questions but this is what we do know and we must never forget. We know that one hateful person committed this terrible crime, not an entire people or an entire religion. The muslim people did not commit this horrific act, a man named omar mateen did. To blame an entire religion for the acts of a single individual is nothing less than bigotry and that is not what this country is supposed to be about. Our goal as a nation must be to bring people together to prevent violence, prevent hatred and create the nation that we know standing together we can create. Our goal must not be to allow politici politicians, donald trump, or any else, to divide us up, based on where our family came from, the color of our skin or our religion. We also know it is imperative isis be destroyed. This is a barbaric organization which has caused massive suffering to hundreds of thousands of people in this middle east and let us not forget that most of the people who are suffering and dying as a result of isis are muslims. And by the way, it is muslim troops on the ground today who are taking the fight to isis as we speak and pushing them back and defeating them in iraq and syria. Muslim troops. We also know we must do Everything Possible to improve local, state, federal and International Cooperation to prevent further lone wolf type actions like we recently saw in orlando. This is not easy but we must accelerate our efforts to prevent the kind of mass murders that we saw in San Bernardino and now in orlando. Further, i have believed for decades we must rethink the idea that assault weapons, like the one used last saturday night, which was legally purchased by the murderer, by an individual who was investigated by the fbi for possible terrorist connections who walked into a gun store and legally purchased that weapon, the idea these t e types of weapons designed to do one thing and one thing alone, kill people by the dozens, the idea they should be sold and distributed in this country seems to me to be terribly wrong. Those types of weapons should be banned. Let me now say a word about my views about where we go with regard to the Democratic Party. Let me be as clear as i can be that i think the time is now, in fact, the time is long overdue for a fundamental transformation of the Democratic Party. We need a party which is prepared to stand up for the disappearing middle class, for the 47 Million People in this country who are living in pover poverty, and take on the greed of the powerful special inter t interests that are doing so much harm to this country who have so much power over the political and Economic Life of our country. We need to be spending time bringing working people and young people into the political process, not spending all kinds of time and energy raising money from wealthy individuals and large corporations. The American People are hurting and they are hurting badly. They want real change, not the same old same old. While the very wealthy become richer and corporate profits soar, real unemployment in this country, not official unemployment, real unemployment is close to 10 . Youth unemployment in inner c y cities and Rural Communities is often 30, 40 or even higher. Most americans are working lo longer hours for lower wages and despite the successes of the Affordable Care act, tens of millions of Americans Still have no Health Insurance or they are underinsured with high dedi dedictables and copayments and millions more are unable to afford the outrainlgeously high prices of the pharmaceutical industry who charge us more for our medicine than the people of any other country. Life expect antsy, think about it, how long we live, for millions of americans, is today in decline, in decline. People are dying at younger ages than their mothers and their father s did. We have more people in jail today. 2. 2 million than any other country on earth and we all know that our immigration system is broken. Young people are sick and tired of going deeply into debt for what . Simply to get a College Degree at a time when we need the best educated work force in the world. Climate change is a major crisis facing our country and our entire planet and yet we have not done anywhere near enough what we have to do to take on the fossil fuel industry and transform our Energy System away from coal and oil and gas in order to save the planet. People that i talk to on the campaign trail want to make sure the water they drink is clean and we end fracking. What do we have to do . How do we revitalize the Democratic Party . How do we make it easy for people to participate politic politically rather than have one of the lowest voter turnouts of any major country on earth. Number one, i do believe we have to replace the Current Democratic National Committee leadership. We need a person at the leadership of the dnc who is vigorously supporting and out working to bring people into the political process. Yeah, i know Political Parties need money. But it is more important we have energy, that we have young people, we have working class people who are going to participate in the political process and fight for their kids and for their parents. We need at the Democratic National convention, to approve a progressive platform, the most progressive platform ever passed by the Democratic Party, a platform which makes it Crystal Clear that the Democratic Party is in fact on the side of working people, is on the side of low income people, is on the side of people who have no Health Insurance. Is prepared to stand up to the powerful corporate interest whose greed is doing so much harm to this country. We need real Electoral Reform within the Democratic Party. That means, among many many other things, open primaries. The idea that in the state of new york, the great state of new york, 3 Million People could not participate in helping to select who the democratic or republican candidate for president would be because they had not registered, because they had register as an independent, democrat or republican is incomprehensible. We need same day registration. That means anybody in this country can walk in and get registered to vote on the day of a primary or caucus. We need adequate staffing and training to run elections in a way that is appropriate for our democracy. We now take it for granted but we should not. In this process, we have gone through a situation in arizona where people waited in line five hours in order to cast their votes. How many tens of thousands of people simply gave up the right to vote and walked away. We need to make sure with everything happening in the news, its maybe easy to forget washington, d. C. Is actually voting today. It is the final democratic primary of this election season. We have been listening to senator Bernie Sanders on this day speaking in washington talking about the tragedy in orlando where i am but also talking about what he wants out of the Democratic Party, talking about a progressive platform he wants passed this sum the heart convention and saying he would call for new leadership of the dnc, Democratic National committee specifically taking aim there, a reminder Debbie Wassermanschultz will be our guest at 5 00 p. M. With chuck todd. Meantime, we will take a quick break. After the break, more of president obamas blistering assault on Donald Trumps proposed muslim ban. Im only in my 60s. Ive got a nice longife ahead. Big ans. So when i found out medicare doesnt pay all my medical expenses, i got a Medicare Supplement insurance plan. [ male announcer ] if youre eligible for medicare, you may know it only covers about 80 of your part b medical expenses. E re is up to you. 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