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MSNBCW The Ed Show September 3, 2014

Them accountable too no matter how long it takes. The things the president has said and stood for which have been completely wrong. Well follow them to the gates of hell. Thanks for watching. Well follow them to the gates of hell, but if youre a conservative, thats not good enough. We start with outright republican criticism over president obamas handling of the isis crisis. Its out there and its abound. The day after an american journalist Steven Sotloff was murdered by isis, president obama con telled the killing. Whatever they think theyll achieve by killing innocent americans like steven, they have already failed. They failed because like people around the world, americans are repulsed bir their barbarrism and will not be intimidated and horrific acts only unite us as a country and stiffen the resolve against these terrorists. As a conservative, thats not good enough. We need more. A short time later president obama said its going to take the International Community to combat isis. We will know that if we are joined by the International Community, we can continue to shrink isils sphere of influence, its effectiveness and financing, its military capabilities to the point where it is a manageable problem. Going gone it, thats too thought out, too we have a plan. Americans arent ready for that, at least conservatives arent. Republicans are shamelessly using isil to slam the president of the United States as another day at the office. Lindsey graham criticized the president immediately after sotloffs murder after giving condolences to the sotloff family, time to turn political. He says this, condemnation is not enough to deal with the scourge. It is time, we act decisively against isil wherever it is. If you can come up with a strategy, at least tell us what the goal is regarding isil. Its almost sickening. This country cannot get orn the same page about anything. Grahams buddy, john mccain, still a grumpy old man and cant forget the 2008 outcome jumped all over the president again, he used the bogus argument, we should have left troops in iraq, thats the talking point hes using. All of this didnt have to happen. We could have left a force behind in iraq that would have stabilized iraq and were paying and credible price for the president s leading from behind, whether it be in iraq or syria or libya or a number of other countries in the middle east. We are seeing the chickens coming home to roost. We are paying an incredible price because of president obama. Thats what mccain says. This doesnt have anything to do with mop it up, the invasion of 2003, does it . As we pointed out on the program before, president bush negotiated the exit agreement with iraq, president obama wanted to leave some troops behind but maliki would not grant the american troops amnesty which would have put america in a legal tight rope. President obama is using a stern coherent and thoughtful approach. Many republicans like mccain, they are not holding back. Isis, what are we going to do about them tha . Kill them, theyve got to be destroyed and youve got to have a goal, the president does and we have to have a strategy to fit that goal and policies that will implement it. We have none of the above. So we havent killed any isis people at all . We havent killed any of these terrorists . I mean we just keep hearing that air strikes are intensifying but they are not hitting anybody. Mccain is not connected with whats happening. The fox news talking heads are even worse. Gerald do wants to sink to the level of isis, he tweeted, the president finally declared a strategic goal to degrade and destroy isis, we must hold him to it, behead the isis butchers. Because you do say youre a journalist, you want the United States marines to be on the ground and capture isis and cut their head off . Thats what you want american troops to do . Things really went off the deep end on hannitys show last night. Mr. Duck dynasty, Phil Robertson has a genius plan to take down isis, convert or kill. Thin this case, you either he to convert them, which i think is would be next to impossible, im not giving up on them but im saying either convert them or kill them. One or the other. Thats going maybe that time has come and gone so i think that with this ideology that were faced with, this is like street gang, street thugs on steroids. Oh, yes, what a very innovative way to advocate for war. They are just like guys out on the street that break the law in america. Lets take them down. Lemts not ask any questions and lets just shoot first and think about it later. Convert or kill. You know, Phil Robertson, maybe you should get your grand kids to arm up and go out and good isis, its absurd he wants to take a page out of a isis playbook and use the convert and kill strategy, it is exactly what they are doing throughout syria and iraq. Another thing, i wonder how many good christian preachers you can get to back you up on that comment that maybe its time to convert or kill. The conservative rhetoric on isis is talk but most of all, it is smear on the president. Republican criticism over president obama as i see it is way out of proportion. Its par for the course these days no matter what the president does, republicans will slam him for it. President obama is doing the right thing with targeted air strikes which are intensifying and the president is not buckling to this terrorist propaganda. And one thing that the republicans have most of all now is amnesia. I remember in gulf war one, we had to wait for george h. W. Bush to get a doucoalition to go aft saddam. I remember before we went into iraq in 2003, that we gave president bush all of the latitude in the world to juggle the intelligence and get the American People to think were 45 minutes from a mushroom cloud. I remember the coalition of the willing, why cant we get a coalition of the willing right now . Its because weve made so many mistakes in the past and this president is trying to get it right. Now he has the guts to go to nato and say, you know what, all of you guys have got to buck up. Weve got to find out who in nato wants to get the job done. When it comes to the russians and weve got to find out if wefl a coalition of the willing to go after isis. Get your cell phones out. Tonights question, would republicans like to follow Phil Robertsons Foreign Policy playbook . Text a for yes and b for no. 67622. You can leave a comment at our blog and well leave you the results later on at the show. Leave it to fox news and sean hannity to try to find an expert on what to do with american Foreign Policy. I think ill pass. For more, let me bring in a gentleman who has been there and been in the public arena and been an ambassador and negotiator. Former new mexico governor and former a. M. Bass mbassador to t bill richardson. I appreciate your time. Thank you, nice to be with you. You bet. There seems to be no patience, no room given to this president in a very tough situation. Mr. Ambassador, what are our options as you see it at this point when americans are getting their heads cut off . I think youre absolutely right. I was around the 9 11, gulf war, there was bipartisanship. There were disagreements over tactics but in the end, we came together. I think the president s options are one, youve got to build a coalition. You cant just do military air strikes. They are working and you pointed out they are succeeding with helping the kurds and succeeding in iraq, but there has to be a diplomatic strategy, ed, that involves arab countries. The good news is there are a lot of entities in countries that hate isis, hezbollah, iran, iraq, the gulf states, saudi aarabia, you have to build that support but most importantly in this nato meeting which you also pointed out, weve got to get allies and french and germans to help us with some of the air strikes. It cant just be the u. S. Alone. What is needed here is lets get behind this country. Lets get behind the president. He is being i think very systemic about developing a Coalition Policy that involves military, that involves diplomatic options, that involves economic sanctions and weve also got to get those wealthy arabs to stop funding isis, lets be smart and collect the best intelligence. So look i fully agree with the points you just made. Mr. Ambassador, its inestable that something happened in syria, if isis is penetrating the countryside and we dont go get them, whos going to do it . Were not going to go it alone. We tried it before and it didnt work. The geographical territory that isis has in syria, its only going to build. So this is really the predicament right now. The question is being asked to congress by a lot of people, would you support air strikes in syria. Is that an option that we really have to consider. Your thoughts . Well, i think we have to consider that, ed, because this is a very Strong Movement that is getting stronger every day. But we have to be systemic. You dont want to do air strikes in syria that help assad who is our enemy, who has been antithe United States, been a human rights violator and chemical weapons, so we have to with our best military precision and weve got the kind of military that can make those targeted assessments, we have to do it right. We cant just bomb indiscriminately. We have to find ways to do it successfully and decisively but it would really help if the french and germans and our nato allies that are also threatened by isis, the saudis and the United Arab Emirates and qatar, coalition of the willing that can be strong and be united. The u. S. Cant do it alone. Yeah, well, bill, that tells us that history tells us that that takes months. And so this is not going to fit the 24 7 news culture that this country has become addicted to and our expectations of solutions. So this is going to be a long process, isnt it . Thats right. You know, i remember, i was around, im that old, fs a congressman and secretary of state james baker made over 30 trips to syria to get syria to endorse our efforts, assads father in the gulf war against Saddam Hussein. He got it. But it took 30 trips. We built the coalition that was very strong. But the point is there were debates in congress in the end, we came together as a country and i worry that in this time where americans are being beheaded and the National Interest requires bipartisanship, that everyone seems to want to take political shots and this is not the time for that to happen. Bill richardson, great to have you with us, we appreciate your time so much. Let me bring in e. J. Dionne, columnist for the washington post. The president came out in the last 24 hours and said that justice will be done. Why isnt that good enough for the guy who got Osama Bin Laden . You know, there are times when i wonder and maybe this is unfair, that if president obama dropped a Nuclear Weapon on someone, the response on other side would be hes week because he didnt drop two or three or five. I mean the fact of the matter is, what ambassador richardson just said is very important. Go back to the first president bush, when Saddam Hussein invaded kuwait, he didnt sort of hit back the next week. He didnt hit back the next month. He took months to do two things to build up American Forces in the region and to build a very Broad Coalition of support. But obama gets none of that. He gets no room at all to do that. I think that the time is so partisan and the attitude is that if obama does x, the opposite of x must be true. And its a real its a real problem. Again, you go back to that first war, a lot of democrats voted against the war in congress. There was a real debate. It was an open debate. But because of the way bush handled it, he didnt make it partisan. We came together after that and we were far more unified. And what obama is doing right now is i know it is said he doesnt have a strategy. Hes got a very clear strategy. We dont want this to turn into a sunni shia battle. Hes trying to get all of the sunnis against the horror of isis to come with us so this thing can work. E. J. , whats your reaction to Phil Robertsons comment, convert or kill . The convert or kill plan. I guess my first reaction is i dont care if fox news thinks hes an expert, i dont particularly care what Phil Robertson says but when you think about it, that is so antithet cal to the ideas that the United States propounded in the world. What do we stand for . We stand for religious freedom and openness. The very thing were trying to do in the world is unite people across religious lines and christians and jews and muslims and others who are opposed to this religious toe tal tear yanism, why fox had him on there saying that, i guess they have to answer that question. E. J. Dionne, good to have you with us tonight here. I appreciate your time. Former governor bill richardson, thanks for your time. Remember to answer tonights question and share your thoughts on twitter and on facebook. Ill be podcasting about this subject tomorrow. Coming up, caught on camera, a blogger is arrested for videotaping, just videotaping a public republican event. Later in the show, shell be here with her attorney to tell ugs why she was wrongfully arrested. But first, a 49ers player accused of Domestic Violence puts the new nfl policies to the test. Trenders is next. Stay with us. What would happen. If energy could come from anything . Or if power could go anywhere . Or if light could seek out the dark . What would happen if that happens . Anything. I am so noh my gosh. Now, its not even funny. Driver 1 you ready . Yeah go [sfx] roaring altima engine woah ahhhha we told people they were riding nissans most advanced altima race car. We lied. About the race car part. Altima, with 270 horsepower and active understeer control. How did you . What i dont even, im speechless. Innovation that excites. Sweets become salaries. 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The ed show social media nation decided and we are reporting here are todays top trenders voted on by you. The number three trender, ted talks sfwl the Tea Party Texan took a swipe at the bore rogue while talking about border security. Listening to Chuck Schumer lecture john corn inand me and border security. I understand that manhattan is concerned with their security with the bronx. No, you didnt. But its a different on 2,000 miles of the rio grande. Cruz gets the bronx cheer for his borough bushing. Ted cruz willingness to traffic in the outdated stereo types of past decades is disgusting and tote a devoid of the truth. Thats the afp approach, we dont do anything halfway. The number two trender, exposed. Massive hacking scab dal. Why dont you take a picture, it will last longer. Scandalous celebrity selfies go public. Jennifer lawrence. Rea han in. Kate upton. Her rep said these are fake. They were obtained through an icloud leak, this is a violation of policy. They are in big trouble, wire fraud, Computer Fraud and those crimes attack a lot of years in jail. It todays top trender, tackling violence, the league is toughening its stance on players charged with Domestic Violence. Domestic violence and sexual saurlt are wrong. They are Never Acceptable and have no place in the nfl. The players will face a suspension of six gamgz without pay for first time offense and banishment from the league for a second. Another Domestic Violence arrest puts the nfls new policy in the spotlight. Niners defensive lineman ray mcdonald was arrested after a Domestic Violence disturbance. 77 players have been involved in Domestic Violence incidents. Do you have any comment . Simply put, we have to do better and we will. Joining us together, terrence moore, National Sports columnist and professor at miami of ohio university. Good to have you with us tonight. We were wondering how long it was going to take, the league clearly has got some issues but mcdonalds charges come days after the policy was institutesed on Domestic Violence, how could he have not known what the new policy is . What does this illustrate about the league . Do they have to do more . Ill tell you, ed, there are a lot of bad things here and not necessarily with this. The nfl obviously is going to have to change how it does i. Q. Tests when it gets to players. How dumb can you be to be ray mcdonald, three days after the commissioner of football issues the toughest penalty known to man kind when it comes to Domestic Violence as far as professional sports is concerned, to pull Something Like this off. If you look at the police report, its terrible. Hes doing this against his pregnant girlfriend, strike number one. Strike number two, it says that it involved him bruises on her arm and also on her neck. Thats bad. Then strike number three, this guy is 64, 300 something pounds, you talk about a coward, even before this happene

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