People. Now the house of representatives is about to show us the worst of government for the rich and powerful. The house is about to vote on a budget deal, a deal negotiated behind closed doors that slips in a provision that would let derivatives traders on wall street gamble with taxpayer money and get bailed out by government when their risky bets threaten to blow up our Financial System. This is a democracy and the American People didnt elect us to stand up for kri grocitigrou. They elected us to stand up for all the people. Senator Elizabeth Warren has seized defacto control of the Democratic Party leadership in this lame duck session of congress that is struggling to find a way to finance government. Elizabeth warren wants to do it without sur anne arundelering on hard earned legislative victories democrats have already won, including the dodd frank bill regulating the financial industry. Fl nancy pelosi was in favor of the republican budget deal before she was against it. Nancy pelosi decided not to fight Elizabeth Warren in the end but to john her. Here we are in the house being blackmailed to vote for an appropriations bill. This is a moral hazard. Were being asked to vote for a moral hazard. Why is this an appropriations bill . Because it was the price to pay to get an appropriations bill. Im enormously disappointed the white house feels the only way to get a bill is to go along with this. Joining me now is nbc news correspondent luke russert and christina delatoni. Wasnt nancy pelosi part of the Leadership Group that agreed to this deal with republicans in the first place . Yeah. Its kind of a fascinating dynamic, lawrence. You had today president Obama Harry Reid and steny hoyer versus nanty pelosi and Elizabeth Warren. Originally, a lot of democrats in leadership did not think that change to doddfrank would be a big deal. Why is that . Back in 2013 when the voice went to the house floor, over 70 democrats supported that. Also the big change in Campaign Finance do nations that went up to 324,000 per individual, that was directly negotiated between harry reid and Mitch Mcconnell. Make no mistake about it. This deal had the blessing of the leadership and the white house. What changed is what you said, Elizabeth Warren going to the senate floor yesterday saying if this were to go through, it would show the American People that the system is totally corrupt, the system is for sale. That has a big impact on a lot of House Democrats who quite frankly, lawrence, dont have a very Good Relationship with this white house, have been fed up by being cut out of these negotiations and they decided they wanted to take a stand. I think what we saw tonight, while they werent able to completely block it after the chief of staff came up here and sort of talked to them and said look, this is a much better deal for us so we can get a spending bill that goes forward until september of next year, we want to take it. But what you saw was for the first time during the obama administration, the left flank saying enough is enough. Were not going to take it. We want to fight on our turf right now. This is significant because it does show you theres an appetite in the democratic part for purity. Who fits purity better . Elizabeth warren, much more than hillary clinton. And Elizabeth Warren turned out to be leading much more than the left flank. 139 democrats voted against the bill. Only 578 democra only 57 democrats voted for the bill. Lets listen to what she said this morn on the senate floor. A vote for this bill is a vote for future taxpayer bailouts of wall street. When the next bailout comes a lot of people will look back to this vote to see who was responsible for putting the Government Back on the hook to bail out wall street. As you head out the door and a spending bill must be passed, are you making it a priority to do wall streets bidding . Who do you work for . Wall street or the American People . Christina, Elizabeth Warren got 139 democrats in the house to follow her. How many senators will line up with her . Well, whats really important to know at about this is yes, the house passed the bill, but harry reid said theyre going to pass a shortterm continuing resolution to keep the government open to give the senate time to debate this measure tomorrow. So anything could happen. When it comes to getting out of town at the end of the year, i would not put anything past law makers of gumming up the system. And Elizabeth Warren does have a lot of influence right now. We also know that nancy pelosi told her House Democratic caucus members, and i quote, im giving you the leverage to do whatever you have to do. We have enough votes to show them never to do this again. A thats what a source in the room is telling roll calls reporters. And this isnt s a real power play between nancy pelosi and barack obama. Shes been the least powerful person in leadership at the table for quite a while. And that floor speech today was a real slap in his face. And this was clearly a deal the white house wanted to see passed when they put out an endorsement earlier today. And to allow the republicans to have to pull it you have a and see what would happen wheen the markets went down, it was a really interesting ploy as it all falls apart. Harry reid asking for time to debate this is not a good sign for the bill. Normally, we all know, if you have the votes, you ram them through as fast as you can. Him delaying it tomorrow the way it sounds like hes doing, luke, that sound like there could be problems in the senate. Well, they dont really have another option, lawrence, because of the hour. Its so late. So just the way it would work procedurally, they need these two days in order to move forward. I dont think they would be able to get unanimous content. But that senate vote is going to be fast. T fast nating. The debate is going to be fascinating. You could see ted cruz and Elizabeth Warren on the same side of the debate. Obviously coming from totally different schools of thought, but youre starting to see where things are shaking out, not only with both party, but also the sort of populism thats come up in this. Populism on the right against this bill is much of it against immigration reform. But al im fascinated by this debate. I dont think a lot of people think it will be a slam dunk like they thought earlier. Elizabeth warren has in effect sent a message to republicans, youre going to have to do this kind of thing. You can not count on democrats to step up and do this for you. 162 republicans were forced to vote yes in the house tonight in order to get this thing passed. Surely a bunch of them didnt want to do that. And didnt plan to do it. As recently as 24 hours ago. One of our reporters chimed in that jim moran, retiring democrat says this is one of the reasons why hes glad hes retiring in the house because of the way this process works. But when you see someone who is a younger member of the senate, someone who does have that Progressive Side that is really uniting behind her, she has a voice at the leadership table now. The 114th congress is going to be interesting as Mitch Mcconnell tries to pull together his disparate republicans, and then Elizabeth Warren has a voice with harry reid and with the rest of leadership to be able to say were going to take a bit of a stand here. The word leverage that nancy pelosi used is interesting. Democrats, you think dont have leverage. When you have the power in congress, you have the tools to manipulate the floor votes in your favor pretty much run the table with it. But thinking that you have lefrmg really says Something Different about the party. Thank you both very much for joining me tonight. 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He said weve had enough transparen transparency. I think theres more than enough transparency thats happened the last couple of i das. Thats not what this report was about. That was a pretty big surprise. Some say they went beyond the scope. Why do we need to see the report anyway. We got to the bottom of this years ago. This government does not torture people. Boom the United States of america is awesome. We are awesome. Who are we to disagree . Agency officers uses interrogation techniques that had not been authorized. They were deprived of sleep for days, stripped naked, diapered, physically struck, constantly shackled in isolated cells. Detainees were often subject to harsh and brutal interrogation. None of these lapses should be excused, down played or de deni denied. Who are we to disagree . John brennan in what some thought would be a defense of the torture program but instead he made explicit his agreement with most of the criticism of the cia in the Senate Intelligence committee report. The cia was unprepared to conduct and intention and Interrogation Program and our officers inadequately developed and monitored its initial activities. The agency failed to establish quickly the operational guidelines needed to govern the entire effort. In a limited number of cases, Agency Officers used interrogation techniques that had not been authorized, were abhorrent and rightly should be repudiated by all. And we fell short when it came to holding some officers accountable for their mistakes. None of these lapses should be excused, down played or denied. In some instances, we simply failed to live up to the standards that we set for ourselves that the American People expect of us. To address the concerns identified, the cia has implemented a number of reforms in an effort to make sure those mistakes never happen again. Director brennan said more than once that there were times the cia did not tell the truth about the program. There were instances where representation about the program that were used or approved by Agency Officers were inaccurate imprecise, or fell short of our trade craft standards. Unlike dick cheneys id do it again chant, hes glad that president obama banned ene ened. I believe effective methods are available to elicit. It is for these reasons that i fully support the president s decision to prohibit the use of eits. The only real point of disagreement the cia director has is this. The studys contention that we repeatedly and intentionally misled the public and the rest of the u. S. Government rests on the committees view that detainees subjected to eits did not produce useful intelligence, a point on which we still fundamentally disagree. And to the crucial question of the day, if not the last two decades, the director of the cia said, the answer is unknowable. Did the eits lead to useful intel jenligence or did they no . You said its unknowable. Which is it . What i said was that detainees who were subjected to eits at some point during their confinement subsequently provided information that our experts found to be useful and valuable in our counterterrorism efforts. And the cause and effect relationship between the application of those eits and the ultimate provision of the information is unknown and unknowable. But for someone to say that there was no intelligence of value, of use that came from those detainees once they were subjected to eits, i think that is lacks any foundation at all. Joining me now is morris davis, former chief prosecutor at Guantanamo Bay and retired u. S. Air force colonel 3 and a former house Intelligence Committee staffer and a former defense policy adviser to senator ted kennedy. Colonel davis, this is not the dick cheney line of defense, i would do it again. Dick cheney said everything that is alleged in that report is completely justifiable. Everything that the senate found, you have the director of the cia saying its abhorrent, thins found things found in that report. The areas of disagreement between the committee and the direct torte of the cia conceptually is not that much. On most of the important points, they actually agree. I think youre exactly right. And it was good to hear mr. Brennan acknowledge that you really cant say that, as dick cheney tried to make the point that water boarding mohammad in 2002 helped find Osama Bin Laden a decade later. Its good to hear mr. Brennan admit you cant make that connection. While there may have been some good he made the point a couple of times they did find some useful information. But for every pennys worth of useful information, we did a dollars worth of damage. I think its right its good it stopped. I never heard him say torture and i never heard him say crime. Thats what these are. That would be the step they simply cant go to for a bunch of reasons, including legal reasons at this point. If the director accepts that word and uses that word, that could create some legal complications. I think thats right. The cia has worked very hard to avoid legal liability for its personnel. The cia does have a challenge when it comes to prosecuting things like this. I think they want to avoid that if they can. Colonel, when the director says that this some of these cases were investigated and they did not find prosecutable cases, i find that language interestingly careful. And it may be that they simply didnt have enough evidence to prosecute, or they wouldnt have been able to prosecute a case without revealing revealing classified information that they did not want to reveal. That, in fact, there could have been very damning evidence there. But the process of prosecution would have ended up revealing too many secrets. Well, you know, Ronald Reagan presented the convention against torture to the senate for r ratification in 1998. In it, he said theres no justification whatsoever for torture and the cigsignatories e an obligation to either prosecute to those engaged in torture or send them to a jurisdiction that will prosecute them. Looking forward, not book, using the specter of secrets is not an option. This is another area where the president needs to show some leadership and live up to the commitments that weve made. Given the choice between Ronald Reagan and dick cheney, i would side with Ronald Reagan on this. It torture answer abhorrent process that an american needs to lead the way and live up to our obligations. Lets listen 20 director brennan on another question of the day. Exactly what did they use to peace together the trail to find bin laden. It is our considered view that the detainees who were subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques provided information that was useful and was used in the ultimate operation to go against bin laden. Again, intelligence information from the individuals who were subjected to eits provided information that was used in that. Again, i am not going to attribute that to the use of the eits. Im just going to state as a matter of fact, the information that they provided was used. It sounds as tepid a claim about this kind of information leading to the capture of bin laden. He does not say that that information led to the capture. He simply says it was useful and it was used. Theres all sorts of information in any investigation thats useful. But it isnt decisive. And what dick cheneys side of this argument has been saying all along is oh, no, no, this information, the tortureobtained information was decisive. Bin laden would still be in hiding were it not for that. I think brennan is blurring a difference between sources and methods here. Hes saying the highvalue detainees had really valuable information that they used to find bin laden. And they were sources of that information. But the real question the senate was going after was, what was the method that they used to elicit that information. In this case, the senate was looking at the question of whether or not the eits were the meth