Transcripts For MSNBCW The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell

MSNBCW The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell January 8, 2015

Heard, at least 30 rounds by some estimates. Killing editor his bodyguard and eight others. Charlie hebdo has been very very satirical in their approach to religion. With a long history and controversial history. The offices have been fire bombed several years ago because of satirical issues it featured the muslim prophet mo ham made. The french president Francois Hollande said nobody can believe they can act like this and get away with it. It is 4 00 a. M. In france and an intense manhunt is under way at this hour for the terrorists who killed 12 people and injured 11 at the paris headquarters of the french satire mgz Charlie Hebdo or charlie weekly. The attackers headed east right after the attack and this is the latest video from the scene of a Police Operation under way in the french east of paris. Heavily armed police entered an apartment that french media reports belongs to one of the suspects. Just a short time ago, French Police said the youngest suspect, an 1yearold hamid hamid moraud has turned himself in and theyre still searching for two brothers. Sayed kuatchi and sharif kuatchi in their early 30s. They wore masks and carried assault rifles. The attacks lasted less than ten minutes. People climbed on to the roofs of buildings to make sure they were getting away from the shooting down below. [ gun firing ] witnesses say they yelled allah akbar during the attack. A witness caught that scene on video. [ gun fire ] that completely blurred figure you saw on the screen was the Police Officer being shot. The people who decide what you are allowed to see on american tell advice have decided you should not be able to see that Police Officer clearly. I dont know how those decisions are made. A witness who encountered the escaping gunman says they yelled, you can tell the media that its al qaeda in yemen. Joining me now from paris is nbc news Foreign Correspondent bill kneel neely. What is the latest there . Reporter the ironic thing is the policeman who was shot at point blank range was a french muslim policeman. Whats absolutely clear tonight is the French Police know exactly who theyre looking for. They have released in the last couple of hours photographs of those two brothers the kouachi brothers and they have said these men are armed and extremely dangerous and theyre asking the French Public for their help. We know one was jailed for terrorist offenses ten years ago. Jailed for 18 months. And we think the other brother was in syria and returned in august of last year having done something in syria, we dont know what. But from the look of those videos, these are two gunmen who are quite at ease with weapons, the way they hold the weapons. If you saw one of the stills there were 15 gunshots in very very close proximity to one another, as if the person doing the firing had been very steady. They do things very calmly. And this is what eyewitnesses report, that these were two calm almost trained professional, if you like gunmen. But of course, to say professional of a horror like this is not quite right. And police have also issued now the names of all of the victims. The people who are in that editorial meeting were of a certain age. One of the cartoonists was 80 years old. I have one of his books on my bookshelves at home. He is a very very well known political cartoonist. Another was 78. And he was given frances highest award, highest civilian honor. So these were very well respected, very well known men and women who were killed in the most brutal fashion. But it does not seem that the French Police know exactly who theyre hunting. The manhunt very much on. What do they know about how long the suspects have lived in france . Were they born in france . It appears they were. They seem to be of french algerian extraction but they were born in paris, at least thats what we hear from some antiterrorism experts. The French Police have not given details biographies. Also remember, reports that one of them have returned last year from syria. French police estimate that around 300 french nationals are in either syria or iraq at the moment fighting for isis. So this is a big problem in france in germany. And of course these suspects would be anywhere at the moment. They were heading north of here at speed along motorways. They could be in belgium by now. Its not just a french issue. This is a Northern European manhunt. Bill neely, thank you for staying late and joining us on this incredible day. Thank you very much. Joining me now from washington s nbc news justice correspondent pete williams. What are we learning in washington from the fbi and from the defense and intelligence sources who are looking at this . Well a couple of things. Number one is as soon as the french authorities got the names the u. S. Was going back and looking to see if there was any possible connection between this attack and people in the u. S. And they say tonight, they havent found any, that theyve been looking at their databases and dont see at this point any contact between the suspects in france and people in the u. S. Thats thing one. Thing two is whenever you have an event like this, the Intelligence Community takes the amount of material its been collected, they sort of hit the pause button and look back before the event to see if they can find things that in retrospect would indicate some kind of warning for this attack. And they say that they cannot. So its an all handson deck affair to try to help the french to make sure there are no other attacks in the offing. A couple of other points here theres been a decision not to raise the Terror Threat level in the u. S. Over the year that has sort of evolved in the early days of the Terror Threat level. It was kind of raised based on sort of general jitters. Now the policy is the threat level isnt raised unless theres some specific intelligence indicating theres an attack plabnned on the u. S. A couple of other go ahead, pete, go ahead. As is typical when you have rapidly unfolding events you get a lot of contradictory information. Its still not entirely clear what the french authorities believe these three people did. It seems clear the two older ones were involved in the shootings, but whats the role of the third suspect. At one point today to indicate the confusion here at one point, one french official said there had been an arrest and that was retracted. Earlier tonight, two senior u. S. Counterterrorism officials told nbc news that one of the suspects had been killed and the two were in custody. But now they say the information that was the basis of that account couldnt be confirmed. And from what we know now, that appears to be wrong. Its just been a day like that. Pete williams thank you very much for staying with us. Thank you, pete. You bet. Tonight, france raised its terror alert to the highest level. The sign yor terrorist able list at flash point Global Partners and jim cavanaugh. Whats your reading of the evidence so far . There has been a number of confusing details emerging whether from french authorities or american counterterrorism officials. They indicated that at some point, one of the attackers was killed. At another point, that he was arrested. A third point that he handed himself in. So theres a lot of speculation. But we know that based on all the details that have come out, the two individuals, the two brothers remain at large. And that one of them might have travelled to syria last year and that he might have returned unnoticed. One thing they said toby standers is tell the press that its al qaeda in yemen. Well reportedly, right, because we cannot completely ascertain thats exactly whats said. But lets retract back to march of 2013 when they had a hit list. And one of the names on that hit list was i think we have this will hit list. There it is. One of the names on there the editor of the newspaper. Along with people they eave been after for years. Theyve been featured in inspire magazines first issue that included the names of other cartoonists who also depicted profess mohammed. Jim cavanaugh, what do you make of what youve seen on video about the way they handled these weapons, the weapons they were using. How would you obtain weapons like that in paris . I think it would be a little bit difficult to get them just normally in paris. The l the tactical vests that one of the actors was wearing. I think the way they acted looked to me like one or both had been in a conflict area. They carried these rifles comfortably. Not highly trained military like of a western nation. They werent that kind of people. They didnt move like that. But they moved as people that had been in conflict before. They werent scared away by Police Officers who came in bicycles or vehicles. They knew they were going to win that fight with rifles. But theyre bumbling as well. They went to the wrong door. The one guy lost his shoe. You know highly trained military operatives would tie their shoes. They would have the right door. You know they jim, as youre saying that we just saw the video of one having to stop and pick up his shoe as hes getting in the car. Right, right. Jim, we also have a report indicating that in that black car that were seeing in the video, one of them left an id by mistake. And thats part of how he got tracked down. Right, exactly. You know shades of the pakistani terrorist in times square who bumbled the bomb. He made this contraption that wouldnt detonate and left hisses in the car. This is where these guys sort of fit, it looks like in that in the realm of theyre not one crazy lone wolf actor like hassan in ft. Hood who acts alone, radicalized on the web. And theyre not dispatched by core al qaeda like 9 1 1. Theyre in the middle somewhere. Contacts maybe in syria or north africa. Maybe a little selfradicalized or contact radicalized. A little wolf back but theyre very, very deadly. When i saw this manhunt developing today, the French Police are superb at this kind of work. It is very very hard to escape their chase in france. Well yes. The french authorities are actually extremely capable, except that you cant really protect everybody. In any country, really, you can not protect everybody. In the case of the attack in france today, the target was pretty much a soft target. Even if there was some security out there, you know a couple of guards and a couple of policemen cannot prevent heavily armed gunmen the armed policeman guarding them was the first person killed as they approached. Exactly. They would high caliber guns that could kill dozens of people in a couple of minutes. What does that tell us though, about frances gun policy . I think thats a discussion for another time but its important to look at how did they obtain their weapons. Who provided them . Who helped them . You know, going back in their communication trail, how were they able did they communicate with people individuals outside the country . Did they indeed travel . Did they communicate with commanders of fighters on the ground . The fact that they got the location wrong indicates that someone else gave them the location information. It looks like they had maybe never been there before. Thats a possibility or maybe just working off the address. And not knowing exactly what thanks for helping analyze this for us tonight. Really appreciate it. Coming up president obama responds to todays murders in paris. And one of the brave editors who decided to publish the cartoons that provoked those murders in paris today. I was not expecting to get a ford. We went around the country talking to people who made the switch to ford. It felt nicer than my bmw. Good gas mileage. Ecoboost makes a four cylinder engine feel like a six cylinder. My dad went and turned in his lexus and got the exact same car as me. He had to have it. Im very happy with my escape. I dont know if ill ever not buy a ford. Make the switch to americas favorite brand. Check out special offers on ford escape at ford. Com or see your local ford dealer. That was the france press news room in washington, d. C. Today holding the je suis charlie, i am charlie signs. But are you really charlie . Can you be charlie . If you do not dare show the cartoons that got 12 people murdered in paris today. That is why those people were executed. Cartoons. Cartoons that included depictions of the founder of islam. The killers said we have avenged the prophet. They said that. Those were their words. The can i recalls dependent want those cartoons to be seen by anyone, and they are not the only ones. Most major news organizations in america will not show those cartoons. Some perform the selfcensorship right before your eyes by showing a photoof the editor of that magazine holding up the magazine, but then cropping the photo so you cant see what all the fuss was about. You cant see why that man holding that magazine was murdered today. I will not be presumptuous enough to hold up a sign, a card that says je suis charlie and i will not be able to show you the cartoons that got some very brave People Killed today. But i will be joined later by one of the brave american editors who has decided to republish all of those cartoons that led to the murderous madness in paris today. In the internet of things, every device can be connected, to your company, your customers and all your data. Cyberedge from aig is more than insurance. Its Proactive Technology and specialists to help keep you ahead of the curve. Claims specialists and advisors to protect you as cyber risks evolve. Cyberedge to help you change the internet of risk into the internet of opportunity. Youre only young once. Unless you have a subaru. announcer the subaru xv crosstrek. Symmetrical allwheel drive plus 34 mpg. Love. Its what makes a subaru a subaru. Ive lost all my friends today. They were not vicious people. They just wanted us to live happily. They were people who wanted to play a humor to play a role in their lives. That was all. That was all. I just cant comprehend it. The editorial director of Charlie Hebdo once said i would rather die standing than live on my knees. He died standing today for the principle of freedom of expression, he was 47 years old, not married. He had no children which he cited as one of the reasons he felt free to risk his life making jokes about the founder of islam. Two years ago, he told the l. A. Times, im more likely to get run over by a bicycle in paris than get assassinated. He also told the times if one person is injured or killed it doesnt mean all of france will be put on its knees. Its not islam attacking france. Its one person attacking another person. Thats all. Bernard maris, an economist was apparently visiting the Magazine Office today when he was killed. He was a frequent contributor to the magazine writing on the name uncle bernard. He was 68 years old. Tonight, frinch police reench Police Released the name of the other victims, jaun cabut, a cartoonist who was called one of the giants of the genre. He was 76 years old. Bernard verlhac has been drawing cartoon since he was 13 years old. He once said the best cartoons give rise to laughter thought and set off a certain kind of shame. He was 50 years old. Georges wolinski was an 80yearold cartoonist. In 2011 he said my job is to look for ideas. I spent all my life looking for ideas, like a pig looks for truffles. The l. A. Times says wolinskis drawing, quote, encompassed a wide range of subjects but smeshlized in contemporary sexual mor rayes with a focus on women and current affairs. He said i want to be cremated. I told my wife you will throw my ashes in the toilet that way i will see your ass every day. Today, his daughter posted this photo of his office. Joining me now is the White House Correspondent for the french network. I want to mention some of the other names that have just been released by French Police. Michel renault, he was a guest there. A special protection service, that may have been the person who was guarding the office who was killed first. And then ahmed maribet, a Police Officer apparently himself muslim. Laura, tell us about this magazine and its place in french media. This is a very special magazine for the french. All the men who worked there are dead today wanted to do journalism and they wanted to do serious journalism but they also wanted to make people smile about real issues. France is completely traumatized by what happened. Its the journalists which has been killed today, the french people cannot understand why theres so much horror Terrorism Strike against journalism. And people really wanted to change the world and will live in freedom, freedom of the press, freedom of speech freedom to do whatever you want and say whatever you want. Laura, we see thousands of people in france today, in Paris Holding up the sign je suis charlie. Was that the feeling . I suspect it wasnt the feeling about the magazine before today. Its the feeling that something has changed in france. I know in the United States you see france as a beautiful country with woman, wine french, this is completely over. After today, its more over than ever. France is facing a very difficult crisis about its identity identity, about terrorism, about very serious issues about the far right, which is rising about Muslim Population which does not have job, which doesnt know how to do. Young people who are going to iraq, to syria, and are coming back to france to strike the french society. In the United States you have 9 11. In france today, a lot of people were saying it was again of 9 11 for the press, but also about freedom against freedom and against democracy. Laura, what is your guess about what will be happenlinging in france over the next couple of weeks in terms of a political reaction and a societal reaction to this . I think were going to see for the moment a lot of people united. Again, this is a shock so youre going to see like tonight thousands of french people demonstrating. You know that french love to demonstrate. Theyre going to stand side by side to show to the world that the french people do not want terrorism in the street. Then youre going to have a lot of

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