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Enough, no more. Surrender to the snow. President obama delivered remarks today at the white house summit on countering violent extremism. He said he called the meeting because of the urgent threat from groups like al qaeda and isil. They propagate the notion that america and the west generally is at war with islam. Thats how they recruit. Theys how they try to radicalize young people. We must never accept the premise that they put forward, because it is a lie. Nor should we grant these terrorists the religious legitimacy that they seek. They are not religious leaders, theyre terrorists. [ applause ] and we are not at war with islam. [ applause ] we are at war with people who have perverted islam. No religion is responsible for terrorism. People are responsible for violence and terrorism. The president also spoke to what he called the reality that many muslims who do not support the Islamic State support the idea that islam is incompatible with modernity. The reality is that there is a strain of thought that doesnt embrace isils tactics, doesnt embrace violence, but does buy into the notion that the muslim world has suffered historic grievances. Sometimes thats accurate. Does buy into the belief that so many of the ills in the middle east flow from a history of colonialism or conspiracy. Does buy into the idea that islam is incompatible with modernity or tolerance, that its been polluted by western values. So those beliefs exist. En in some communities around the world, they are widespread. And so it makes individuals, especially young people who already may be disaffected or alienated, more ripe for radicalization. Muslim leaders need to do more to discredit the notion that our nation is here to suppress islam. Joining me now, a journalist and author of standing alone, an american womans struggle for the soul of islam. Former vermont governor howard dean and amon mohadene. You were at the president s speech. What was your reaction . I wanted to see whether this conference on violent extremism was going to address the issue of islam. I walked into the session and it was almost like an open house at our local mosque. There were folks there with names like muhammad, ahmed, you know, this was very much an issue about islam today, and i was happy to see that we discussed issues related to the religion. But at the end of the day, i still see a tap dance that were still doing as a nation about the issue of islamic extremism. You know, i felt really sad when i was there, because it was on this week, 12 years ago in 2002, 13 years ago, that we got the video that documented the murder of my colleague, daniel pearl at the wall street journal. When the murderers killed danny, they literally put a nave to his throat. And then they washed the blood from the floor and they laid their rugs down for prayer. What they did was believe, as many people do, that they were acting in the name of islam. The fact that 13 years later were still having this conversation about whether were at war with islam or whether were not, whether muslims are under attack or whether theyre not, reveals to me were still not dealing honestly with the very real issue of an ideology that was born of the last decades. Iman was born in 1979, the year the saudis put out this ideology that is wreaking so much havoc in the world. Lets listen to what bill oreilly said about the president s speech tonight. President obama is flat out wrong in not describing the terrorist threat accurately. Muslim fanatics want to kill us, and there are millions of them. Period. Amman . Take your time. Millions of them. Im not even going to respond to that. I dont want to get dragged into a conversation where hes citing numbers that he may have. Hes saying that there are millions of terrorists out there. Theres absolutely no evidence of millions of terrorists. I think you should address that question to bill oreilly to have him explain that number. What i can say to you is we cant conflate the issues that exist out there in the public. There are grievances against a lot of issues that come from the west. There are a lot of grievances against governments in the west. There are a lot of societal problems. Its important not to conflate all of these issues across the spectrum. This is what the president is trying to do. Hes trying to be delicate on a few issues. Its a fine line he has to walk. He cannot alienate some of the allies he wants to keep in this coalition. That is a political and diplomatic issue. Certainly the United States is going to rely on its allies in this fight, but at the same time, i understand why people are trying to say the president needs to be more aggressive in identifying these issues. What struck out to me in this speech by the president , we talked about so many of the issues, poverty, education, the ideology. But what thing that was omitted very blatantly is the consequences of so many of the wests policies in the middle east. So many of the governments they support. Its hard for ordinary people in the middle east who have grievances, who will look at the United States as a beacon of values and ideas, but see it so closely aligned with countries like saudi arabia, with countries like egypt. That has nothing to do with religion. That has to do with politics. That has to do with interests. And this is the big disconnect that the United States is having right now. Its trying to convince people in the world we are trying to do good, we want to do good, we can do good. But in the reality of the equation and the balance of Foreign Policy in the middle east, drones speak very loudly. The support of some of these regimes speak very loudly. The u. S. Involvement in iraq and afghanistan speak very loudly. And that you cannot just erase with a conference in d. C. That doesnt include all of the participants. Right before i came on your show, i was with the ambassador to the united nations, saying his country was not invited to attend this conference in d. C. How can a country like russia, or how can you completely go around the International System . How do you ignore things like the united nations, not invite them to be the leader on this issue . And russian intelligence was crucial to the case of the Boston Marathon bombing. Howard dean, the president had the chore today of explaining to the bill oreillies of the world why he doesnt have the word islamic in the title of the summit on violent extremism. I thought he did a very reasonable job of that. I thought it made perfect sense, and he made it very clear that this summit is about al qaeda and the Islamic State. But then he went on, i think, to make it very clear why hes not using these words the way bill oreilly wants him to. Its simple minded to say theres millions of muslim terrorists. Its not true. I looked at the history of the crusades. We didnt behave so well, us christians didnt behave so well either in those days. That was 1,000 years ago. What you have to do is having a single standard for all of humanity. Whats unacceptable in one part of the world is unacceptable in another part of the world. Obviously, what isis is doing is incredibly unacceptable. They are thugs. They are criminals. They are murderers. And i totally agree with the president. I wouldnt give them the dignity of having this associated with any kind of religion, and it isnt. Theres fundamentalism, theres harsh versions of all this. When people think of jim jones or david koresh, they dont say theyre christian terrorists. They were horrible people. Weve got to do better than this, and i think the president was 100 right. Weve got to separate the deeds, leave the religious arguments to religious people. It is true, and there was a very interesting article in the Atlantic Monthly in the last week or so, that some of the stuff isis is preaching you can find justification in the koran for it. But you can also find justification for all kinds of savagery in the bible. An eye for an eye, all these kinds of things. There may be a battle between islam and modernity, im on modernitys side. I dont think its about religion, its about expecting people to behave differently than they have for centuries, and we need to do what we can to hold up that expectation. That includes we do have to behave well in other countries, not just our own. You want to respond to that . Well, there are a series of countries i wish had come to the summit. I wish we had called them out on the extremist islamic views they put out in the world. They are second to the u. N. As a Governmental Agency out in the world. And ten years ago, they put a campaign into the world that said that they wanted to promote the true image of islam. One of the reasons why were having such a hard time dancing around this issue is because there is an entire lobby of these muslim countries that dont want us to talk about these very real issues that are in mosques, in sermons, in interpretations of the koran throughout the muslim world. And so those countries are very much part of the problem, because they want to make it seem as if we are asra, which countries are you talking about . The organization of islamic cooperation was started in the 60s by the countries with large muslim countries, including saudi arabia, iran, pakistan. And i can tell you that just today in pakistan, they are pushing for the u. N. To again try to mandate blasphemy laws so it becomes a crime to talk about issues of extremism or to defame islam. So this is really what were inheriting today. The debate on islam has been hijacked by this effort to try to promote a Public Relations campaign that, you know, puts forward islam in the best way possible, and then not deal with these very real issues. And to me, thats the real crisis that were facing today that here it is, 2015, and were still figuring out how to have this confidence. Were going to take a break, come back and discuss what the president talked about as the military component of this. Nexium 24hr. Its the purple pill. The 1 prescribed acid blocking brand. Available without a prescription for frequent heartburn. Get complete protection. Nexium level protectiontm. Colourists know roots take colour one way, and previously coloured hair another. New Vidal Sassoon salonist. First, brush roots then, blend through lengths. Our most advanced system outside the salon. In thinks speech today, the president made only passing reference to what he called the military component of fighting violent extremism. Heres Richard Engel with the latest on how thats going. Reporter isis is spreading like a virus. And months of u. S. Led air strikes dont seem to be containing it. In libya, isis has been showing its strength. The group beheaded 21 egyptian christians. One of the executioners speaking in english with an american accent. Recently, you have seen us on the hills. Reporter egypt hit back with its own air strikes. Isis says italy will be next. Security has already been beefed up at st. Peters. But the biggest advances and reportedly the worst atrocities have come where washington claims to be making the most progress in iraq, which is starting to look like a failed state. If the north, we saw firsthand last week how Kurdish Forces have been under attack. Today, near the city of irbil, they turned back a major isis assault. In central iraq, where isis captured the town of al baghdadi, iraqi officials claim as many as 48 of their fighters were burned alive by militants. Its unconfirmed by u. S. Officials, but it reportedly happened just five miles from a base where hundreds of u. S. Marines are deployed as advisers. But why the spread . Isis is moving into all the cracks in the middle east. The unresolved conflicts in iraq, libya, the sinai, syria, and gaza. This is not a problem that can be droned away. The isis virus is consuming the middle east, infecting europe, and showing no sign of stopping there. Richard engel, nbc news. I just dont see what the plan is. Well, i think a military plan, i just dont see it. We know from American Military officers who are publicly stated there is no military end to this operation. This is not going to be won on a battlefield. The u. S. Militarily can contain isis and degrade its leadership and destroy weapons depots. But when youre fighting an ideology, bombs dont destroy an ideology. There has to be a new approach to combat the ideology. You have to do that by reforming these societies, trying to put pressure on them to create more political plurality, only to drain that reservoir that exists to ripe for isis. But dropping bombs on pickup trucks, it will be refilled within days. You kill the leader of isis, youll have somebody more hard core that the one thats in place. If you take a look at the span of the last 13 years, we went to war in afghanistan in 2001, al qaeda was pretty much localized in afghanistan. Concentrated in afghanistan. 13, 14 years later, we have not only al qaeda in libya and in the western part of africa and in yemen, we also have isis in iraq, in libya and northern sinai. The military solution or the option of this dealing with every problem militarily is not going to work in the long run. Howard dean, our military tactics have been a failure, a mistake, as the iraq war was mistake in its entirety. Yet washington keeps going back to military tactics. I think the iraq war, had it not been for the iraq war, we wouldnt be looking at this right now. This is about failed states and filling in the cracks. I think i have some disagreement, though, the military option is important and heres why. One of the reasons that isis is attracting young, disaffected people is because they appear to be winning. As soon as they appear to be losing, and i think what happened when the jordanian pilot was burned was critical. For the first time. Imans in the middle east began to condemn isis as unislamic. As soon as these guys this is why what the president said is right. They need to be called out as losers and criminals, not as some sort of islamic jihadist heroes. This is a group of people that are attracted by winners, and theyre not going to be attracted to losers. Asra, what is your view of the military component of the fight against the Islamic State. Just one point, i dont think we have this dichotomy of calling them heroes or zeros. Theres a nuanced place we can have this conversation, and that is acknowledging the ideology that is fueling this movement. In that way, our military strategists need to be studying the apocalyptic eschatology or end times strategy of the Islamic State. What theyre going to do now is try to sweep into damascus. Thats what the end times for muslims declares is going to happen. I as a liberal muslim do not believe it, but at the grand mosque in damascus, they believe jesus will pray behind the messiah of the muslims and the army will march down to jerusalem and claim dome of the rock. This is a grand plan that they believe will be executed and all of these grievances simply feed their idea of what the apocalyptic scenario will look like. So the solution must be a very strategic one that may have to include military options. Thank you for joining me tonight. Howard dean is going to stick around. Coming up, Eddie Ray Rouths sister and his former girlfriend both testified in texas today. 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The sister said, he started talking and things he was saying i knew he wasnt himself. He was talking about pigs sucking his soul. That was one thing that stood out to me, because that was bizarre. I knew he wasnt quite right. He said he killed two guys. I said, what do you mean you killed two people . I really didnt believe him, because he said crazy stuff before. I mean, he never said that, but i just didnt believe him because he wasnt talking the way he normally would. Eddie ray rouths former girlfriend told jurors eddie definitely had paranoia about the government out to get him. I asked him if he was seeing things. Joining me now is diana hunt, who was inside the courtroom today covering the trial for the dallas morning news, and michael snipes, a former judge and current criminal defense lawyer. Diana, the testimony these were defense witnesses called by the defense today, clearly trying to demonstrate by what they say that Eddie Ray Routh was saying on the day of the killing, that he was not in his right mind or any form of a right mind that day. Yes. They were very strong witnesses for the defens