Just reported to sign an executive order all about promoting clean coal, no amount of science guy will give us reading on that. John, former acting director along with cia, the chief of staff, theyll discuss the latest twists and turns in the devin nunes scandal, which also seems to be a paul ryan scandal. Should devin nunes recuse himself. He wont tell us what he learned. Meetings are being cancelled. We have done no business this week. He needs to step down. Its a little by izarre. We never talk about sources. Hes not willing to tell the democrats, who you met with. I never asked of you. You could well be the sacrificial lamb that this white house is looking for. What were seeing is the effective covert operation that russia has carried out. I think it would serve us all well if he recuse himself from the russia issue. Thank you. Chairman intelligence devin nunes is in the middle of publicly to cover up weve ever seen, hes not in it alone. Paul ryan is doing everything he can to help him. Everything about this is an ept beginning with the simple fact that it is public, cover ups are not suppose to be public and youre not suppose to help publicly identify exactly, exactly what you want to cover up the most. Were not going to ever talk about any of that. That is the clearest answer devin nunes about what he wants to keep covered up. To many other questions, hes given general answers like this one. So youre not going to tell the committee who your source is . We never talk about sources of ethics. I wouldnt expect you to do that either. You guys are so infatuated with sources. There you go, thats the kind of general deflecting answer youre suppose to give when youre in the middle of a cover up, when youre trying to cover up who presented you some classified information that you then presented to the president , you just give general about never revealing sources when youre asked about that. When it is discovered the place you examine this classified information is somewhere on the white house grounds when youre asked how you entered the white house grounds, you dont jump up and down and say thats the most important thing of this whole thing, if you find out that youll find out everything, which is basically what devin nunes meant when he answered that question. Can you tell us your source at the white house . Were not going to ever talk about any of that. As i said, devin nunes is in way over his head. When youre covering something up, you never say were not ever going to talk about any of that you give general diversionary answers, when youre the speaker of the house and you decide who gets to chairman and the person who has chosen to be on the committee, when that chairman gets in trouble, you publicly rush to his defense. You say this is outrageous. You say hes doing the best possible job any chairman of the Intelligence Committee has ever done. Not paul ryan, he is afraid to talk about devin nunes. Afraid. He would rather talk about the most legislative failure any speaker of the house ever had, his first big bill as speaker. The Trump Ryan Health care bill. That Health Care Bill is the single biggest public professional embarrassment in paul ryans life, and he would rather talk about that now and has said more publicly about that than he has said about devin nunes and that scandal. And the reason paul ryan is afraid of talking about the devin nunes, is because the way over his head chairman put paul ryan dead center in this scandal on the first day when he told reporters something none of them have noticed that first stop that he made before going to see the president at the white house, was paul ryans office. Why would you not discuss this with the Ranking Member before you came to the white house . So yes, no, and im going to be meeting with mr. Shift to talk about where we go to this investigation. I had to brief the speaker first. I had to brief the speaker first. This is the third time that i have showed that video of devin nunes putting speaker ryan in the dead center of this scandal on day one and i dont know what i have to do to get any reporters to notice this, including the ones who were standing there in the white house driveway and heard him saying that. Since he said that, devin nunes has done full length interviews on cnn and fox news with print reporters and not one of them not one of them has asked him about what he said to paul ryan and what paul ryan said to him before he went to the white house. Maybe if we put a breaking news baener that says nunes went to ryan first, someone might ask paul ryan about that. Someone might ask devin nunes about that. They both have permanent invitations to come on this program to talk about it. For some reason they seem to be busy every night at this hour. Today, casey hunt got close. She was a breath away from that question, when she got this much out of paul ryan on the questions of the day. Should devin nunes recuse himself from the russia investigation. Two, do you know the source of his information . No. And no. Can you talk about exactly what you mean. [ inaudible question ] see how fast he ran away from that. Wants to talk about health care. No and no. Next reporters question was about health care. Thats the first hint of what paul ryan would say under noet casey hunt got us a peak into what paul ryan would say about his conversation with devin nunes before devin nunes went to the white house. He would say that he did not ask or devin nunes did not tell him the source of devin nuness information. Thats something. Thats the closest weve got, to the secret meeting that devin nunes had with paul ryan before his meeting with the president. Its secret only because he didnt hear it in the driveway of the white house. Paul ryan now has to deal with his first republican member of the house. He said devin nunes should recuse himself today. Devin nunes scandal is the paul ryan scandal. Thats why paul ryan is not ordering devin nunes to recuse himself because hes in this thing as deep as devin nunes is. If devin nunes can lose his chairmanship over it then paul ryan can lose his speaker ship over it. Speculation among staffers on the Intelligence Committee is that Michael Ellis is the source of the intelligence information nunes saw. This report says that hes a lawyer that works for him on the Intelligence Panel and who was recently hired to work on National Security matters at the White House Councils office and spokesman for nunes declined to comment on whether he was involved in providing information to nunes. So now we have a name to ask devin nunes about. Was your source Michael Ellis . Were not going to ever talk about any of that. Former acting director of the cia and jeremy bash, msnbc National Security analyst and former chief of staff to leon when he was director and the defense department. John, your reading on where this story stands tonight, what makes sense to you in this story if anything and what doesnt make sense to you . Well, there are more things that dont make sense than things that do make sense, what makes sense to me at this point is if we were to add up the things we know, we know russia did interfere with our election. When you look at all of the things that are going on now that are quite mysterious, youre driven to think, it feels like a cover up if youre a novelist trying to write a cover up would look like, it would look pretty much like this. I think were at the point where its really important to get to the bottom of this and increasingly i doubt that that can be done through the Intelligence Committees. And i think chairman nuness actions here have pretty much neutralized his committee as an effective overseer on this issue, and perhaps on other issues, as well. Do you believe that the chairman should recuse himself or be removed . I certainly believe he should recuse himself but i dont think that that is going to in and of itself make this committee a worthy committee to carry out this investigation. Ive been the subject of congressional oversight for 30 years in my time and government and ive watched it carefully since leaving government. I dont remember anything quite as bizarre of what were seeing now. I dont think its much of an exaggeration in this case, the oversight system has, essentially, broken down, which is a serious thing, theyre overseeing the secret activity of the United States. Its one of the most important Things Congress does. Jeremy bash, the forgotten link in the chain for day vinn nunes that day is paul ryan, he said clearly in the white house driveway, he first went to paul ryan before going down to the white house anyone who is working with Congress Knows when a chairman or member of Congress Goes to the speaker, everything that person does after that is sanctioned by and or ordered by the speaker that everything you see after that is the intent of the speaker, which is why they go there. They want the cover of the speakers agreement of what to do next. What do you see in the sequence that nunes has revealed so far. What else do you see. Well john said correctly that the effect of chairman nuness actions was to neutralize the ability to oversight. I will go a step further, it wasnt the effect, it was the purpose and the purpose of his actions was to neutralize the committees effective oversight. Because what was clear to chairman nunes and the white house after last mondays hearing when jim comey testified. There was a fuel repute yags of Donald Trumps claim and there was a public announcement that the fbi now has Donald Trumps inner circle under an active fbi Counter Intelligence and criminal investigation for coordinating with russians during the campaign and beyond. And that was an unlitigated disaster for the president and allies on the hill for Everything Else theyre trying to accomplish. It would make sense that devin nunes would try to slam the brakes. He did it and swerved the entire oversight process out of its lane and really into a ditch. Lets listen in on what was said about this. Hes gone off on by himself and inspector investigation here, hes not willing to tell the democrats on the committee who he met with and what he was told and i think hes lost his ability to lead. You think it was appropriate that he went to go view these socalled intelligence reports on white house grounds . Well, i think there needs to be a lot of explaining to do. Ive been around for quite a while and ive never heard of any such thing. Is that the consensus among people who have been around like john mccain and yourself, in terms of the particulars of the chairmans behaviors, he gets some communication, but then brings him to the white house in order to examine it. Does that is that something you ever heard of before. No, that makes no sense and as i think back over chairman that i worked with of both parties, i cant imagine any one of them doing Something Like this. Lets go to 30,000 feet here. I think theres more than just a game being played here. This is, in a way, a threat to our checks and balances system in our democracy. Theres too much comingling here between the white house and the oversight function, the congress. The congress is there for a reason. Its to oversee the work of the executive branch, hopefully in a constructive way, but not in a i way that amounts or at least appears to be collusion to effect the out come of that oversight. And that, essentially, is going to the heart of our checks and balances system in our democracy and in turn, therefore, i think posing a threat to Democratic Practice in this country. When you see that included in devin nuness schedule for that day that he worked out in the speakers office, presumably, was first of all talk to the press on capitol hill saying that youre going down to the white house, then go down to the white house, present this to the president , then talk to the press again in the driveway, all of that taking place before theres a word or a hint to the ranking democratic member on the committee or to any other members of the committee or apparently even staff of the committee. And that violates the protocols, the traditions, and the approach that the Intelligence Committee has taken since its history. Sure, there have been times of partisan scrambling, but nothing where the chairman has purposefully thwarted the members of the other committee from seeing the same information, understanding the basis for an accusation and engaging in effective and constructive oversight. I think, really, what needs to be focused on, lawrence, tonight, are the 17 days. The 17 days between the time that sally yates, as the acting attorney general went to don mccain the white house cancel who then told the president that mike flynn was lying to the president , between that time january 26 and february 13th, the day that mike flynn was forced out and fired, what happened during those 17 days. The reason why i raise that window of time is because thats what sally yates was to testify about today at the hearing that was suppose to happen today. She was going to tell the story of exactly what she told the white house and by all accounts, what she was going to say about those 17 days did not, at all, comport with the white houses official version. So we need to hear from sally yates, we need to have the gag order on sally yates lifted so she can tell the congress, the overseers of the american public, what happened. And jeremy bash, thank you for your invaluable experience and insight on this subject tonight. Really appreciate it. Thanks, lawrence. Coming up, the Trump Administration cannot get away from stories about campaign staff, Transition Team staff being tied to Foreign Countries. Now we can add some law, Jared Kushner who has already been tied to Foreign Countries in some stories, now theres more. The president may have learned theres another branch of congress that has to go to work in order to get things done. Now, hes thinking he might be able to work with the democrats. 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