Eastern, msnbc is going to reair both of the parts of my interview with lev parnas again sunday night 10 00 p. M. See you there. Now, its time for the last word where ali velshi is in for lawrence. Good evening, ali. We can undo our mistakes. Rachel, thank you. Well see you sunday night and monday again. And tomorrow. We are seeing one reason why Senate Republicans want to rush an impeachment trial. The material keeps coming and none of it is good for donald trump. At this rate, what will we know by tuesday . Day one of the impeachment trial. Well get to all the new texts, documents, and audio that have just come out this evening. Including new documents related to the House Intelligence CommitteeRanking Member devin nunes. House Intelligence Committee member congressman jim himes will join us. Governor bill weld, who is running for the republican president ial nomination against donald trump is here to put his Republican Party on notice. It is now or never to do their constitutional duty. And if all of that news isnt bad enough for the white house, there are not one but two stunning stories out today from the new book a very stable genius. Which is also on sale on tuesday. Including a new story about just how early nancy pelosi started standing up to President Trump. And just how afraid some in the trump orbit were of her even before she became speaker. But first, weve got breaking news tonight. The House Judiciary Committee has released new impeachment documents against President Trump. The documents contain Text Messages from lev parnas, the indicted associate of Rudy Giuliani, about the alleged surveillance of former u. S. Ambassador to ukraine, marie yovanovitch. The Text Messages include a series of exchanges between robert hyde, a republican congressional candidate in connecticut, and an unknown phone number discussing what appears to be the whereabouts of ambassador yovanovitch. Quote, she has been there since thursday. Never left the embassy. An audio file, which was also released was sent from an unknown account to robert hyde and forwarded to lev parnas. Its confirmed shes in ukraine. The documents also show that lev parnas has frequent communication with derek harvey, an aide to republican congressman devin nunes. Text messages put harvey in contact with parnas throughout the spring of 2019. The very same time parnas was working with giuliani and other Trump Associates to oust ambassador marie yovanovitch. Harvey mentioned the topic of foreign assistance to ukraine in late march 2019. Sending parnas a text message saying, quote, can we get materials . Within just four days or with just four days to go until the start of the Senate Impeachment trial, it remains to be seen how these new documents will impact proceedings. Along with an undisclosed file with even more evidence. Leading our discussion tonight, josh lederman, National Political reporter for nbc news. And msnbc contributor. Jonathan im sorry, josh, lets start with you. You have been doing a lot of the research. Youve been to kyiv as part of your reporting on the story. You have been looking through this this new trove of documents, texts, and audio thats come out tonight. What stands out to you . Yeah. Another night and another document dump showing that as much as we thought that we knew about what happened behind the scenes over the past year or so with ukraine, there is so much more that we did not know and still have yet to uncover. All of that, obviously, ramping up pressure for there to be witnesses, new evidence entered as the impeachment moves into the senate trial. And in these new documents that were released just in the past couple hours, ali, we have two buckets of information that are both pretty troubling. One, as you were just mentioning, has to do with this guy Derrick Harvey. He actually used to work for trump at the white house on iran and some other issues. Now, works for the Top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, devin nunes. And what it shows is that House Republicans on the Intelligence Committee were deeply involved in their own investigation into ukraine matters. And trying to move forward the same kinds of things that President Trump, through Rudy Giuliani and his associates, were. You have all of these conversations between lev parnas and Derrick Harvey trying to actually set up skype interviews with former prosecutors from ukraine who have made allegations about joe biden. Those are the same prosecutors that that Rudy Giuliani ultimately did interview. And the other piece of this being these Text Messages showing that this character, robert hyde, who purportedly had a surveillance operation on ambassador yovanovitch was actually kind of copying and pasting information that he had gotten from another trump supporter. Who he, robert hyde, identified today as robert d. Calloway. Lining up phone numbers and photos, we believe that was the person who provided this information about purported whereabouts of ambassador yovanovitch. This is kind of remarkable. This robert hyde character. Just when you thought youd met all the characters that your brain can handle in this caper, matt miller, guys like this show up. What does tonights document dump tell you, matt . What picture does it paint for you that wasnt already painted . What part of the portrait does it complete . You know, a couple things. First of all, i think it show us that lev parnas, someone who is under indictment for multiple felony counts in new york and has a long history of fraudulent activity in his Business Life is more honest than the leading republican member of the Intelligence Committee. That he was working with devin nunes and nunes staff. And nunes initially pretend he didnt really know parnas at all. And i think, you know, these messages really do corroborate the story that parnas has been telling about how he was working with Rudy Giuliani and others and with devin nunes. And i think the picture, if i could add one thing to what josh said that these messages show is, it really paints a picture of how trump was able to take some of the most unethical and dishonest people from all different spheres of washington, d. C. From inside his administration. From capitol hill. Private attorneys that show up on fox news all the time who he used in this plot that show up in these Text Messages, as well as journalists. For example, john solomon. Able to take all these people and use them in this plot to to to discredit and smear and ultimately remove a u. S. Ambassador. Its the type of thing you might expect to see in a nondemocratic country where there is not really separation of powers. Its not what you expect to see in the United States. Josh josh, let me ask you about some reporting from our Investigative Reporter tom winter. Talking about some of this material that was handed over that came from the fbi and the Southern District of new york. The House Judiciary Committee released excerpts they say are from lev parnass electronic calendar. I dont know that weve been able to verify any of the information in here. But the calendar includes excerpts of an appointment for breakfast with President Trump in new york city on september 26th, 2019. It gives a time. This is it on the screen. Its very hard to read. Gives a time of 12 to 1 00 p. M. But that is in universal time, which would be 7 00 a. M. Eastern at the time. Thats the fbi typically when they recover data from a phone, it comes out in universal time. So you have to make that translation. What does that mean to us . Does that mean that the president and and lev parnas might have had breakfast together . We dont know if they actually went ahead and had that breakfast. But it does appear from these documents that at least the breakfast was scheduled. And it really raises the question, ali, of how is it possible that as President Trump has continued to say, including today, that he didnt know lev parnas . You dont usually schedule breakfast with somebody that you dont know. And the evidence has continued to pile up. Be it the multiple photographs, some of which youre looking at right now, that show parnas meeting with the president on several occasions. As well as parnass comments to Rachel Maddow last night saying that he had been at a lot of small events, round tables, with the president. That trump knew exactly who he was. Its really calling into question the president s attempts to try to distance himself from lev parnas and these other characters by suggesting that, you know, it might have been a photo at a fundraiser but he didnt know who they were. Matt miller, what do you make of lev parnass degree of cooperation . The length of the interview with rachel . The idea that hes talking a lot. Obviously, this is a guy in trouble who is trying to get himself into less trouble. But the bottom line is he does seem to have come with receipts and texts and recordings and photographs and and things that, in theory, could be corroborated because hes stating dates and times and places. Im very much glad hes talking to Rachel Maddow because he is shedding a lot of new light on this scandal. But with all due respect, hes talking to the wrong people. I suspect what hes after you know, people who come under indictment, if you ever know anyone whos been indicted, they feel just beaten down. They feel isolated. They feel like all the worlds turned against them. And i suspect hes trying to clear his name a little bit in the only form he feels like he can right now. But what he really ought to be doing is talking to the Southern District of new york. He probably wants to come in and talk to them all about this scandal and all about what he did with Rudy Giuliani and we know the department of justice said they dont want to investigate that. And what sdny wants him to talk about are the actions for which hes under indictment. And i suspect thats where the disconnect is. As important as the information hes been able to share has been for, i think, for house prosecutors. I think well see it come up in the senate trial and its important for shedding light on the president s misconduct, i dont know that its going to do a lot to help his legal case. He really ought to be talking to the prosecutors that indicted him. Josh, talk to me about this person you said robert hyde was getting his information from. Yeah. Anthony calloway. So we spoke to a friend of his who said that hes belgian. He spends a lot of time in belgium, which explains why the phone number is a belgian phone number. And if you look at his online social media, its just replete with protrump slogans, photographs of him at all kinds of trump events and other types of comments that make clear that he is someone whose identity is largely wrapped up around support for the president and make America Great again. And you see this as kind of a pattern with a lot of these folks, including robert hyde himself, where they ingratiate themselves in trumps orbit by donating, showing up to these events, and trying to draw proximity to the president and his aides. Thank you for your continued reporting on it. Josh lederman and matt miller. Joining us now is democratic congressman of connecticut of the he is a member of the House Intelligence Committee. Sir, is your head spinning from the last 72 hours of of information that has come to light . That i think, largely, corroborates a lot of the information you already had but its just more detail. More flesh on the bones, if you will. Yeah. It it does. And ive sort of reflecting on this, ali. You know, its its a revelation today or a revelation a week. I mean, you know, four weeks ago or so that sondland came before us and told told the story only because he was forced to of the phone call that he had with the president in which the president asked him about the investigation and theres just revelation after revelation. But it gets mixed up in all these characters like rob hyde and all these sort of colorful characters that we sort of lose the line. And the line that we cant lose here, ali, is that just every single fact every single fact and believe me im acquainted with all of them having been on the investigation from the beginning points to some really serious misbehavior that the senate cannot possibly say we have all the facts. Without talking to mike pompeo, without talking to the chief of staff, without talking to Rudy Giuliani, if the senate says, gosh, weve heard enough. We dont need to talk to those people. It will be one of the most irresponsible moments in American History because as you point out every single day, there is new and incriminating evidence. But the senators are not blind to this information. Whether or not they hear it in the senate, whether or not its these these witnesses are called or the documents are subpoenaed. The senate is not blind to the conversation that is going on around us, which indicate that the president has been involved in some serious misdeeds. At what point does the chicken come home to roost . At what point do they have to say we cannot avoid this any longer . Well, i mean, its theres a really disappointing answer to that question that just reflects the extent to which the country has become tribal in its politics. But more importantly than that, the extent to which donald trump and the Republican Party have really become a cult. You know, youre going to hear about the same three or four senators who are in, you know, nontrumpy areas who will occasionally show flashes of impartiality. But every other senator is going to consider the fact that if they turn against donald trump, chiefly amongst them by the way, mitch mcconnell, who is up for reelection in november, if they turn against donald trump regardless of the fact, you know, we go back to shooting somebody an 5th avenue and there being no consequences. If they turn against donald trump, they lose a primary. And very, very sadly, despite the overwhelming evidence and, ali, youve been watching this, too. You know at no point really have the republicans engaged with the body of evidence. What they do is they say, well, adam schiff is a bad guy. The government accounting officer, which said yesterday said that the administration broke the law. Well, the government accounting office, it probably has democrats in it. I mean, its just sadly, its reflective of the fact that the republicans now are completely enthrall almost in a religious way to donald trump. Lev parnas called it a cult. When you say its tribal, i mean, tribes change their leaders. This doesnt do away with the tribe of republicans to say that donald trump has done things incorrectly. But lets talk about devin nunes for a second because you were just talking about adam schiff. What do you make of this communication that puts lev parnas in proximity to devin nunes . Sadly, its not a surprise. You know, and and ive ive watched devin nunes since the day that jim comey came and announced the investigation into the president. From that moment on, devin nunes became attorney, advocate, private investigator, on behalf of the president. And this goes way back to when devin nunes was trying to run a sort of oneman investigative campaign of trying to hunt down the steele dossier sources and this sort of thing. And big picture here, you know, and look, he embarrassed himself. I mean, as you know a couple weeks ago when he was asked about this, he denied really having any memory of lev parnas. It turns out, of course, he did. He had an eightminute conversation with the guy. So hes damaged his own credibility. And what hes done to the country is rather than being what the constitution would have him be, which is a check and a balance on the president , he of course has become an advocate and a fighter for the president. And thats thats a huge problem and further evidence of the extent to which the Republican Party has become a cult in support of donald trump. Lets see what happens in the next few weeks, congressman. Whether or not this this piling on of evidence moves anybody to do the thing that the constitution calls upon them to do. Congressman, good to see you. Thank you for joining me. Thank you, ali. Congressman jim himes of connecticut. Some republican senators are no doubt considering this weekend how to proceed. This is a time of choosing. Republican president ial candidate bill weld joins us next. Candidate bill weld joins s next did you know you can get unlimited talk and text on americas best 4g lte networks for 20 . Unlimited talk . I like that because on sundays you know i gotta talk to mama, then on. This is your wakeup call, people. The new tracfone wireless. Now youre in control. The new tracfone wireless. Some things are too important to do yourself. Get customized security with 24 7 monitoring from xfinity home. Awarded the best professionally installed system by cnet. Simple. Easy. Awesome. Call, click or visit a store today. 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