Transcripts For MSNBCW The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell

MSNBCW The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell June 2, 2020

Shaquille brewster in minneapolis. What is the situation there tonight . This is the street, the intersection where george floyd was killed a week ago, almost to the hour. Curfew doesnt begin until later so plenty of time. Scene similar to earlier today when brother of george floyd tame over. Terrence floyd came through, knelt, spoke to the crowd. Message very clear. Calling on people to stop the violence, hes angry but not doing that, other people shouldnt either. Two, using that energy and passion into more productive and constructive means. Telling people to go it out and vote. People were impacted by what he had to say. Hundreds of people at site bringing flowers, having candles and discussions with people about the tensions that minneapolis has been having several years now. George floyd is the 11th person to die at hands of police in the past ten years. Theres a lot of builtup energy, one sign earlier today said listen to black people. White Woman Holding it up, time to start listening instead of saying what we think needs to happen, listen to what we believe has to happen. Thats the scene, lawrence. Peaceful, solemn, but serious here at the location where george floyd lost his life one week ago. Shaquille brewster, thank you. Washington, d. C. , nbcs garrett haake, who has been covering the situation in washington all day and all this evening, what is the situation now . Reporter lawrence, tonight the protests focused in Lafayette Park have scattered to the rest of the city although the number of protesters is significantly smaller than the last couple of nights. The curfew here went into effect around 7 00 this evening after that aggressive, shocking, clearance of Lafayette Park by federally controlled u. S. Park police, secret service, National Guardsmen on horses using batons, shields, flash bangs and tear gas. After that, dispersed the protest Movement Across the streets of washington, d. C. , tonight. All day today and i have been out here all weekend we saw the most peaceful of the protests we have seen in washington, d. C. Which made those images earlier today all the more striking. Protests weve seen even since have been peaceful with protesters walking up the street behind me behind the white house, headed north into the more residential neighborhoods of washington, d. C. , chanting George Floyds name, take a knee, remind those still paying attention in washington, d. C. , that black lives matter. Thats what were seeing here tonight. The hope, and this was hope expressed by the mayor and police chief earlier today that by instituting the earlier curfew, we might prevent the looting and more dangerous activity from last night. Probably heard the saws behind me, most businesses in Central District have boarded up windows or they were already smashed last night. Were bracing to see what might happen in late hours but so far in downtown d. C. , things are quiet. Thank you very much for that report, garrett haake, we appreciate it. We are doing our best to deliver a sense of what is happening around the country, but our best is never good enough because perspective is always a challenge in news gathering especially tv news gathering which is always attracted to the most dramatic pictures. And so for one example, a small army of citizen volunteers who appeared out of nowhere this morning in santa monica, california to clean up the vandalism of the night before will never get equal time on tv for their kindness and generosity and civic spirit and humanity. To the big question, yes, we have been here before. On the day when the president of the United States threatened to use active duty u. S. Military for crowd control in washington, d. C. , and elsewhere, it is worth remembering that in april of 1968 after Martin Luther king jr. s assassination there were 6,000 people arrested. 10 people killed. Over the course of the week. And u. S. Military was deployed in washington, d. C. , then to control the city. That deployment included the sixth armored cavalry regiment, and the 82nd airborne. So, yes, we have been here before for the same reason, the murder of a black man. We are going to go we are going to go to cal perry in louisville right now. Breaking news situation right now. Whats the situation . Reporter weve had total chaos last few minutes, flash bangs went off and there was distinct sound of gunfire which changed the mood very quickly. Were surrounded by gas, put out tear gas. Line is there, more flash bangs. Crowds were jovial but getting out of control especially with the vehicles and cars. When the National Guard units with the Louisville Police started moving forward, the crowd went to meet them. Thats when we saw the tear gas and flash bangs. But thing thats been happening in this city is live gunfire, distinctly three minutes ago, and somebody was shot and killed last night after midnight. Thats the concern that everyone has had. Crowd are dispersing, starting to run. You can see the blue lights, there you go, mark, the police are moving forward very slowly but deliberately. Again theyre using that tear gas from the flash bang grenades to get rid of the protesters. Thing that happened last night, lawrence, just after midnight, david mcatee was killed, 53 years old and shot dead in exchange of gunfire, as we found out later from the mayor, police were not activating their body cameras. There was no body camera footage. Thats really upset people here. They view the police force here as more than just abusive but as corrupt. Thats what weve been hearing on the ground. Again the fact they were not activating the body cameras has upset a lot of people and frankly brought a lot of people to the streets tonight, lawrence. We know that two Police Officers and members of the National Guard were fired in this instance, but dont know who killed the owner of the popular business there. Mayor said it was tragedy, fired the police chief over this. And tonight is the crowd engaged on the matter of what happened last night . Or is this still a focus on george floyd . Reporter i think theyre engaged in last night. Death we saw in this city in march of 26yearold emt in her apartment when the police did noknock raid, slick way of saying they went in without announcing themselves and wearing plain clothes. Because they didnt have body cams on we dont know really what happened. Share really shooting the rubber bullets now. Because the police werent wearing body cameras, everybody was disputing what happened. When i last spoke to you 48 hours ago, mayor said its mandatory to have the cameras activated at all times. Within 72 hours of being told they were required, didnt turn them on when knew they were headed to conflict. Whats happening here, a few brave protesters but theyre moving in hard, going to see arrests tonight. 40 people last night, 40 the night before, i think well see more arrests. Just to close out the circle of what were talking about, the situation in louisville is symbolic of what were seeing around the country. Deep seated distrust and mistrust of the police force to deeper issue. When body cameras are off, people assume theyre hiding something. Thats the bigger issue, lawrence. Cal perry, thank you for that report. Were joined now by phone by democratic senator Kamala Harris of california. She joined the protest in Lafayette Park in Washington Park in d. C. On saturday. Senator, thanks very much for joining us. I wanted to get your reaction to what the president said today that it was apparently his desire, although he may not have the authority, to order u. S. Active military into the cities of this country to take over and dominate those cities. Lawrence, to be clear, these are not the words of a president. These are the words of a dictator. He talked about domination, dominating the streets. Domination is just another way of saying supremacy. Thats part of the theme of who donald trump is. After a long career of running for office and being president , where he has spent fulltime trying to sow hate and division. But fact hes commander in chief threatening the American People with the american military, prepared to use military against its own people . Thats not sign of a commander in chief. Ive said recently, donald trump is like the worst combination of George Wallace and Richard Nixon. He is not capable of leading our country, especially in this moment of crisis where people are in pain, america is raw right now, and her wounds are exposed. And what he is doing is just fang t fanning the flame of hurt and pain. The president repeatedly used the phrase law and order, wants to be the law and order president , that was Richard Nixons campaign phrase of 1968 that won him the presidency. In a year where there was great deal of civil unrest in this country, including the rioting that occurred in chicago during the democratic convernntion, th president s use of that term seems to be designed in the way Richard Nixon used it, all aimed at his voters to strengthen his base of support. I think youre right. Theres no question in my mind he is doing this because one, he does not have compassion for the people and their pain, two, he has no full awareness of the history of our country on the issue of race and fact that black people in the history of our country have been treated as less than human, the way that george floyd was treated is Current Evidence of that, and that weve never fully addressed the history, historical and systematic racism that exists in america. So of course hes going into the old playbook of trying to pretend hes a hero for calling for law and order. But what hes doing is destroying america. Hes destroying our capacity to fight for the ideals weve not yet reached but know we can get to if were together in this. And people are in pain because of it. But i do believe in the strength of the people, i do believe in the true nature of who we are, and that we will continue to fight for those ideals weve not yet reached. It will not be with Donald Trumps help. Senator harris, we now have has of tonight 1,802,384 cases of coronavirus in this country, and over 100,000 deaths. In the midst of this pandemic we have stopped to focus on the loss of one life in minneapolis. How do you maintain the focus and necessary focus on the pandemic, especially for for example protesters and their need to take care of themselves in this pandemic, how do you keep that focus running at the same time that this protest focus is running . You bring up great points lawrence, theres really overlap here. Lets be clear, issue of policing is the tip of the iceberg. There is undercurrent the undercurrent of this is issue of housing and affordable housing. Issue of health care and disparities in the health care system, who has access and how much money they have to have to have access. Undercurrent is disparities in education and jobs. These issues are connected. When we talk about the the pain of the American People and suffering of the American People. So there is work to be dub. Im working on what we need to do to save our Small Businesses. 90 of women and minorityowned Small Businesses did not receive the benefit of the paycheck protection program. We need to deal with that. Bodega, barber shop, florist have employees of ten or fewer people. We have a initiative about carving them out and giving money to them instead of the publicly traded socalled Small Businesses. Theres work to be done, Bernie Sanders and ed markey and i are proposing we give people of direct payments of it 2,000 a month through the pandemic and immediately after. American people are falling down, we need to hold them up so once this is over they can get back to work. That is what we have to fight for. There are solutions but cant overlook the pain people are feeling, evidenced in the streets of america. The prosecution of the murder case, governor used authority to put state attorney general Keith Ellison in charge of that prosecution. Youve been District Attorney and attorney general, both roles. County attorney now will be working as a teammate in effect of attorney general Keith Ellison, what is your reaction with your expertise as prosecutor to that development in this prosecution . I strongly believe as former prosecutor, whenever were talking about investigating police misconduct, shouldnt be the d. A. s office or state attorney general to do that. I applaud having the attorney general investigate the case, should be happening across the country. Should never be those d. A. Offices investigating the cases. As an expert. In addition, i have legislation on independent investigations and also to say we have to have National Standard of use of force. Whats happening now in courtrooms when the officers bring this for Excessive Force, standard is ask is it reasonable in that situation, we can explain away almost anything as having some reason. Almost insurmountable burden to meet to make sure theres justice and accountability for Excessive Force or death. Standard should be to ask not was it reasonable but was it necessary. Thats really the fair question to ask when were talking about accountability and justice for those families and the community at large. Senator Kamala Harris, thank you very much for joining us tonight, we appreciate it. Thank you lawrence, take care. Joined now with marq claxton, retired new York City Police detective, and eddie vaud from princeton, and msnbc contributor. Jermaine youve spoken to attorney general ellison in minnesota about this situation. What do you see now as different in this prosecution with Keith Ellison in charge . What he brings is first, as a black man, he understands the true texture and nuance of the history that got us to this point. He understands the rage, understands all of the wrinkles, but he also said he is committed, believes that former officer chauvin murdered george floyd. I asked him about one thing ive been hearing over and over again from folks, they want a first degree murder charge. Officer chauvin had his knee pressed in George Floyds neck and just looked into the crowd. Theres intent there. But he said there is a risk of overcharging. Risking losing the case. But almost as bad is undercharging. He said nothing is off the table. There were three other officers, it seems every day we get a new video of the knee on George Floyds neck. And we see three other officers on top of George Floyds back. He says hes still considering the evidence, didnt want to touch on it exactly but he is focused, he believes a great crime was committed here and he is focused. Rarely see we had Kamala Harris. Keith ellison, rarely do we see black attorney generals appointed across the country. Thats been call of reformers, need more diversity, people who understand the community. He gave me a litany of cases he thought were clear, that didnt end up in crimes. Think of the walter scott case, shot several times in the back, hung jury. Trayvon martin case, not police but similar. Its critically important to dot every i and cross every t, but an uphill battle. You are seeing the image on the scene. Chris jansing, what is the situation . Reporter we had a whole day of very peaceful protests, thousands and thousands of people and they split up about sundown. This is the story of what happened since. This is a dwayne reed that was broken into. I think you have video we can show you. Intense scene, there were so many young people in there. The police came very quickly and there was a scuffle, one of the Commanding Officers got hurt. Not the only place. A couple blocks off times square that got vandalized. But everywhere we went after dark we saw this, up and down lower manhattan, midtown. Where we are now, just a block from here, a Verizon Store that said no merchandise, no cash, and they were broken into and fire was set. Dozens of protesters asked me to say please tell folks this is not what were about. We are about fighting systemic racism, we are about changing the system, about making sure that another george floyd doesnt happen. They consider by and large this to be a huge distraction and they wish that people would stop. This has been occupying the police. Twice as many on the street tonight as there has been last night. And this destruction is the reason why, this is a very popular tourist store with lots of new york stuff here. Broken into. You can see the glass down there. This is why mayor de blasio announced that the 11 00 curfew coming up will be 8 00 tomorrow night. The police have been mobile, on foot, on bicycles, in vans, going where these groups of largely young people are. They are not protesters. They are here just to destroy, to loot, to cause trouble. Let me make one more point about this. There was one single protester who said to me, unfortunately, he thinks its taken some of the destruction that has happened all around america to bring attention to what they want to bring it to. He said this is our home, our neighborhood, new york, this is hard to watch. Personal note, that duane reade i just showed you, i stop there about twice a week. It is between 30 rock, lot of protesting and destruction there, michael kors, we saw destruction there. Best buy down the street. My house. I stop by a couple times a week. Talked to a few neighbors who said there is no reason for this. Why is this happening. This is not what this is supposed to be about. I spent four

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