That margin is consistent with other recent polling. The big question, did trumps rocky month of march finally catch up with him, most recently his proclamation on msnbc that if abortion became legal under his presidency, a woman should be punished. He later took that back. But this morning, ben carson tried to flipflop his explanation. That should be a controversy to people who say donald trump is a wild man and he doesnt listen to other people. Obviously he did listen to other people, he realized he made a mistake and he corrected it. I think thats better than somebody who makes a mistake and doubles down and triples down on it. As were four days away from the wisconsin primary, i want to start with nbcs katy tur joining me here at 30 rock. Weve had 72 hours of pretty bad headlines for the trump campaign, either going from Cory Lewandowski getting the arrest charge in the Michelle Fields incident, the comment on abortion. So the rallies that donald trump has announced, hes got three tomorrow in seven hours. Are they feeling vulnerable in wisconsin right now . Reporter i wouldnt say that because he has late breaking rallies, this means donald trump is now feeling the heat in wisconsin. They always release their schedule relatively late, so this is not uncommon for them, and there was an expectation that he would have rallies in wisconsin on saturday and sunday. He did not have anything wednesday or thursday or friday, which is telling, specially since hes down 10 points to ted cruz and now two polls in wisconsin. Wisconsin is a wild card state. The conservatives are extraordinarily organized there. That would be something that would favor ted cruz over donald trump, but its also an open primary. When you talk to the campaign and you ask them about how they feel about wisconsin, many of them, sources within the campaign, say if they walk away with half the delegates, they will be pleased. They also point to the polling to say most of the people polled are registered republicans. They do well with independents as well as democrats who are coming over into the republican fold. Wisconsin is an open primary. So anybody can walk in and change their registration same day and potentially vote for donald trump. Its all about the delegates getting to that allimportant number of 1237. Yesterday just over 24 hours ago, we had the big news of donald trump in d. C. Having the meeting with the rnc, and we were all curious what happened behind closed doors, but heres how donald trump described that meeting. Take a listen. It was a very good meeting. We met with Reince Priebus and the staff and theyre very good people, very actually a terrific meeting, i think. And its really a unity meeting. You know, were leading by a lot. We have far and away the most delegates. Who called the meeting, did you or did they call it . I think it was probably mutually called. Weve been talking and dealing a lot. So donald trump did happen to be in d. C. To have Foreign Policy meetings with folks that are helping advise him on stances. This was a surprise to the media, maybe not the trump folks. How do you think that relationship is Going Forward . With the rnc, it depends. The party right now is fractured right now. Donald trump is holding the hammer in one hand and hes got scotch tape in the other, and hes trying to fix it with the party f. But that meeting, although donald trump calls it a very pleasant meeting, in reality, according to the new york times, it was moran airing of grievances on the part of the rnc. Reince prebius saying you cant be so negative, so critical of the party. Youll need us come the nomination if youre able to get that. Also talking about the basic rules of how the elections and the Republican Party work, how the states give out their delegates. Each state has its own rules, trying to explain to donald trump that he just frankly got outorganized in louisiana. The party, the rnc putting up that Convention Facts link to help people explain it. Trump put out something on instagram, folks can check it out themselves. A little hit on ted cruz there. Kate i texas senator ted cruz, Ohio Governor john kasich, theyre gearing up for an aye fish fry. Thats also where we found msnbcs chris jansing. Chris, break down the fish fry for us. First, i have to point out, its not just a fish fry, its the biggest fish fry in the world. The we virtually every president has come here, including modern times. Weve seen president bush here, weve seen president clinton here. This is wherthey come to make their last appeal. Youll hear it from john kasich, youll hear it from ted cruz, but heres the most interesting thing. Youll see the former governor tommy thompson. The emcees are going to be some of the talk show hosts, the. These are the people, part of the establishment, to work against donald trump. Just to sort of stop him in a polite way. They have gone after him in every way that everybody ive talked to in. Its been unrelenting for these surrogates will. Why do you think drimp is not going to be at the. But why didnt he come . They said it would be a little bit like going into the lions dernl. People have tried to thoord stop it here, to in a case their waterloo. What brought this on was the fact that john kasich could take silver out of all this and beat donald trump. The math is closer to kasich than trump. They see opportunity. Certainly ted cruz sees opportunity, but so does. He would probably be much more to the liking of most of the voters here than ted cruz. They said theyre going to come down to beating donald trump. I talked to a couple people who are longtime on the ground operatives here in the Republican Party. They both suggested even if case i recollect many they all think right now, in terms of the delegate count, with its proportional and districts emanu emanuel. They hope thats enough to keep donald trump from getting to the magic number this summer. Im joined by contributing editor and reporter of the new york times. Also significant report r of buzz feed news. Quest to take back the white house. We should also note nbcs parent company, universal, has made an investment into buzzfeed. Thats a lot for a book title on a friday afternoon. I appreciate the effort. You got through it. Yeah, i got through it. We got ted cruz meeting this is ahead of trump by an. Weve seen a pattern in their most recent polls. One thing to watch here when turnout ex. That has benefitted donald trump. He tends to get voters who havent voted. I talked to some people in wisconsin who actually said in this race, in this year, in this state, trump actually could lose even worse if theres greater turnout because that would be the conservative base mobilizing. Trump is not doing well with diehard conservatives. Thats really cruzs area. And if they turn out in large numbers, that could really hurt trump. Lets go ahead and play a little. Before i ask about john kasich, i want to play what he had on the stump today. Let me warn you cht we all lose the United States senate as well as the white house. In reference to say that, jeremy, how beneficial is it to have a cruz or a tring to rofr from those original races. There are a lot of polls who believe that they would be disastrous. Hes completely unable to bring in. One of the story lines not getting a whole lot of taerngs. If trump or cruz were the nominee, the house could very well be up for grabs. Thats stunning. If we look at the states that border wisconsin, could it be that the flesh mold that donald trump whole schtic. People who tend to be more religious, they like their candidates to be neft. You couldnt see a larger chasm in terms of personality and style. There is a case to be made. Its also, though, in iowa trump came in second in iowa, and would say that ted cruz and his campaign put out false narrative about carson dropping out. I dont know if that was enough to swing the vote. That thats. This is where theyve thrived in organizi organizing. In the general election, trumps whole argument that be he is the the. If he cant even win a primary contest in wisconsin, its hard for him to make that case when he turns red in the general. Coming up next, after confronting sanders supporters last night in new york, Hillary Clinton is finding friendlier crowds today in syracuse, and shes showing her true team colors in the race. I was one of the orange, and i know the orange need our support. 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We have a new poll out of wisconsin showing sanders leading clinton by five points. Today everybody is still talking about clinton clashing with a greenpeace activist who questioned her after a rally in purchase, new york. Will you act on your word to reject fossil fuel money in your campaign . I am so sick i am so sick of Bernie Sanders lying about that. Bernie sanders said in part, it is disappoint that go secretary clinton has leveled an accusation that just isnt true. I want to follow up with Kristin Welker following the Hillary Clinton campaign. Kristin, i think hillary just wrapped up an event there, but what more will we hear from the clinton camp because there are some people expressing concern that she showed some fire or frustration at how she leveled the greenpeace activist. After tht that exchange yest the protester accused her of accepting moneys from the fossil fuel industry. The reality is nor secretary clinton nor senator sanders accept money from them, but they accept money from donors linked to that industry, Hillary Clinton about 70,000, Bernie Sanders about 50,000. I think that underscores what you laid out, thomas, that the stakes are very high here in new york. The Clinton Campaign say, look, its a reflection of the fact this race is getting heated. And senator sanders looking very strong in wisconsin, hes gaining ground on her in new york. This is her home turf, the place she served as senator for two terms, and the latest poll shows her leading by 12 points, but thats down from the 20 points she was initially leading by. Today secretary clinton fired up with her supporters here in syracuse. She did take aim at senator sanders, again accusing him of having policies that arent realistic, but she also took aim at republicans, the entire republican field. Take a listen. But if you listen to the republicans, they are going after every right weve got. Right . Theyre after civil rights, womens rights, theyre after gay rights and workers rights, theyre after the rights of people with disabilities, theyre after all of them. So i want you to know where i stand. I will defend a womans right to make her own health care decision. Reporter so secretary clinton trying to fire up the base with those remarks. Sh she campaigns in wisconsin tomorrow, and shes trying to ward off those accusations. Are they trying to square off before voters go to the polls on tuesday . They are, and theyre trying to ward off people. You see sanders slide up a little every day in those polls, and he could actually win by more than four or five points. That would be really embarrassing for her. So i think that lastminute trip she scheduled for tomorrow is to make sure that even if senator sanders wins, its not an allout blowout. Thomas . Kristin welker battling the sound track with what appears to be a dance party. Beth, its great to have you with me. What do you make of these remarks back and forth between the sanders camp and the clinton camp . There are financial ties, if we dig a little deeper, for both of them. I think what were really seeing here, thomas, is not a back and forth of that particular issue, but seeing a video of her last night, senator sanders is getting under her skin. Shes pretending he isnt, that her Campaign Still holds these Conference Calls saying its basically impossible for him to catch up to her at this point, but clearly thats not how secretary clinton is feeling. She knows that wisconsin is probably a loss for her. She shifted over to new york where she represented the senate. But shes feeling the heat. I think that the point in the campaign, she should have broken free and she hasnt. Is it all right to have those moments where, if youre going to have your mettle tested, okay, im going to show fiery. Fire is good and emotion is good, and people think she doesnt show enough of that, but on the other hand, she took off on the activist for greenpeace and tried to blame senator sanders for what was going on. Secretary clinton immediately went for the sanders campai say he was out to get her. It really seemed over the top. Hillary clinton is leading sanders by 12 points in new york. If she loses in wisconsin, how do you think that hurts her chances in new york . If Bernie Sanders wins wisconsin, that certainly will give him a lot of momentum going into new york. But it will be tough to win. She has done a lot of work in new york, was really a champion at 9 11 and the issues coming out of that. This is a more diverse state than wisconsin. Bernie sanders represents states that are largely white. The democratic vote is extremely diverse here. When it comes to the debate real fast, do we know if theyve locked anything in for sanders in new york . Not locked in. 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To the ongoing effort to stop donald trump more immediately in wisconsin and then in the convention is the fight over delegates. That has become more intense than ever. Now there is a new twist to this plot, the unbound delegates of the joining me now is msnbcs jacob soboroff. Jacob, what did you find out, the hunt for the unbound delegate . Reporter im a