We want to begin this hour with the breaking news from wyoming, as we watch the Democratic Caucus results come in. I want to go now to the capital city of cheyenne. Thats where we find kristen dahlgren. Kristen, good afternoon to you. It seems like to be a pretty good start, a positive one for Hillary Clinton. Reporter yes, so far at least in Laramie County, frances. As you can see, Laramie County doesnt mess around. A few hours ago this gym was packed with people, now nobody left here. More than 800 people came here today. Most of them came with their minds already made up. There were only about five uncommitted people, voters here, and they were just given a few minutes to then make up their minds. There werent enough of them to form their own little area, so they had to decide whether they would go for clinton or for sanders based on the speeches that they heard, based on what their neighbors had told them, and they then split up. At the end of the day, Bernie Sanders won the live vote here, but then when they counted the surrogate votes, people who voted absentee, the day at least in Laramie County went to secretary clinton. So secretary clinton came away with 731 votes here in Laramie County and senator sanders came away with 689. So just 42 votes between them. The rest of the state from what were hearing from experts expected to be just as close. Thats why its taking a little while to get the rest of those results in. This here is the most populous county, they have the most volunteers. They did the count very quickly. Im looking off camera here at the state chair of the Democratic Party and shes on the phone. Shes been on the phone getting those numbers. As soon as she has them to release, we will get them to you. Well check back in with you for those results. Kristen dahlgren, as always, thank you very much. Kasie hunt is covering the Sanders Campaign. Kasie, how are we looking as far as reaction there where the senator is expected to do well in wyoming . Reporter the Sanders Campaign waiting for these official results to come out of wyoming. Something of a surprise it seems potentially in the work as we wait for these official numbers. We were expecting Bernie Sanders to win in a potentially large margin. I mean youve seen him win western caucus states by quite a lot over the course of the last couple of weeks. And the assumption was that he might be able to pull the same thing off in wyoming. Sanders has campaigned pretty aggressively in wyoming, as you can sort of define that. He spent last tuesday night in laramie, wyoming. That was the night where he won wisconsin in quite dramatic fashion. But at this point either way this is only 14 or so delegates, pledged delegates coming out of wyoming. The real prize, of course, is going to be new york. This is in many ways a mustwin state for both Bernie Sanders and for Hillary Clinton. If sanders were to be able to take her on here, it would be in many ways a psychological blow. Heres what sanders had to say about the New York Primary earlier today. Here in new york state where we were way, way behind, she was the senator here for eight years, that gap has closed. We are in striking distance here in new york. Reporter striking distance. So they feel pretty confident right now that they have at least a shot to close this gap with Hillary Clinton and come out the winners in new york. But we have to remind everyone, frances, that this delegate lead Hillary Clinton has is still going to be really, really tough to overcome. Sanders doesnt just have to win states, he has to win them by big margins, especially in closed primaries where only democrats are allowed to vote, its been really tough for sanders to pull out a win at all, let alone a big one. So he could potentially chip away at that lead but wed need to see a significant shift to overcome it. The question, of course, what might happen in the event that Hillary Clinton does become the p presump tif nominee. If she is able to do that, its not yet enclosuclear that the s would defer to her. They might try to fight things out at the convention, try to convince super delegates to switch sides. At this point well just have to wait an see how it plays out. With that challenge, we could see what the strategy would be leading up to new york. Weve been hearing most recently saying as far as shes the new yorker, yeah, but she was born in illinois. Can you expect as far as unqualified, whether thats going to go on especially knowing that crucial primary in new york and how that will be a gamechanger for both. He said she was born in illinois, this is her adopted home state. He did a rally yesterday outside of the threeroom renting controlled apartment that he often talks about on the trail. Hes really trying to play up his new york roots. You can hear that brooklyn accent. So the one thing i dont think youre going to hear anymore of is this unqualified line. Over the course of the last couple of days weve only heard him make that charge from the stump once and that was when he first used that line against Hillary Clinton at a rally in philadelphia a couple of nights ago. He reiterated it at a press conference the following morning. But after 24 or so hours of criticism for making that remark, he backed away from it and he said, okay, you know what, she is qualified to be president. But i think you have to think about it in a little bit of a broader sense, frances, which is to say part of the reason for doing that was to show that he wasnt going to simply roll over and let Hillary Clinton kind of steam roll through this New York Primary. He was personally frustrated, irritated that she was attacking him in what he felt was a personal way and he felt he needed to prove he wasnt going to simply let it go, that he was going to hit back if he was provoked. That of course is the risk for the Clinton Campaign. At the end of the day Hillary Clinton really does need the energy, excitement, potentially the money from a lot of these Bernie Sanders supporters if she hopes to consolidate the Democratic Party and go on to become president. Before we get to that point, there is wyoming as we wait for the results there. Kasie hunt as always, i appreciate it. Thank you. A busy week as well on the republican side. Ted cruz is poised to sweep all of colorados 37 delegates. So far its been all good news for the texas senator. He addressed the crowd last hour. If we continue to stand united, we are going to win the general election, were going to win the state of colorado, were going to beat Hillary Clinton, an we are going to turn this country around. Msnbc has a delegate hunter, Jacob Soboroff who brings us the very latest. We are at the under the radar ground zero of american politics right now and that is because the 37 dealegates coming out of here at this hockey arena may tip the scales to donald trump if hes going to win that republican nomination on the first ballot or if ted cruz wants to stop him. Right behind these curtain, like the wizard of oz, is where its going down. There are 6,000 republican delegates on the floor of this hockey arena. What you are seeing is the wheeling and dealing that goes on in order for ted cruz to clean up on these delegates. Ted cruz is now 21 for 21 today. If he can win the remaining 13 coming out of here plus the three unbound rnc delegates that have their positions by virtue of their position in the state party, he could do quite well coming out of colorado. In fact he could sweep. Right now msnbc has projected ted cruz will win colorado but thats not enough for him. He wants to win each and every last delegate coming out of here. If he does, again, it bears repeating, he will stop or could stop, have a great chance of stopping donald trump from winning that nomination at the Republican National convention in cleveland this july. Back to you, frances. Thats Jacob Soboroff for us. The trail has been pretty quiet for donald trump. But he did make an impromptu visit to the 9 11 museum this afternoon and immediately and quite surprisingly headed back to his home base without taking questions from supporters. Msnbc reporter gil brewster joins us now from trump tower in midtown manhattan. Appreciate your being with us here. Clear up some of this confusion as to whether trump would talk to the press at the 9 11 museum. Pretty much were talking about four days where hes been laying low, very untrumplike and why that is the case. Its been very quiet covering donald trump who has pretty much been in his trump to your for the past few days. Today he made an unannounced trip to the 9 11 museum. He went in between a half hour and hour that he was there, so a relatively short visit for the museum. Didnt even go through the memorial outside. At that museum, the reporters there were expecting him to take questions. They were told by the campaign that he would come out. That after he would come outside and they were taken to a spot they could ask him questions. We havent had an opportunity to pose any questions for the past couple of days because he has been off the trail. That didnt happen. Trump went straight to his car and then came right back here to trump tower. So a little bit of confusion there and the campaign hasnt cleared up exactly why. Theres a lot to talk about. Donald trump obviously, we want to hear his reaction to what is going on in colorado. Him not picking up any delegates. And then his campaign expansion, as theyre calling it, as theyre hiring new people trying to switch focus on dealegates a we get closer to the conventions showing that theyre really taking this delegate game seriously. So quiet past few days for donald trump on the trail. Hell be back on the trail tomorrow in rochester and well see what he has to say, both about what his visit to the 9 11 memorial and the delegate game. Were going to see if he makes up for this lost time that we havent heard from him. So a lot to watch tomorrow. Shaquille brewster, as always, thank you very much. A reminder to watch meet the press tomorrow for chuck todds interview with Paul Manafort about the role hell bow playing in the Campaign Going forward. Right now i want to take you to new rochelle, new york, where any moment Governor John Kasich will take the stage for a rally with voters. When that happens, well bring it to you live right here on msnbc, the place for politics. 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Back to the campaign trail where john kasich is in new york today. Right now hes holding a town hall in new rochelle. Earlier today, though, kasich said cruz and trump would be beaten in the fall and questioned the sincerity of trumps county chair supporters. We think were going to do okay here. Look, a lot of people feel pressure for any number of reasons to come out and say that theyre, you know, for trump. You know, are they really for him . I dont im not sold on that. Msnbc campaign embed has been following the Kasich Campaign and joins me now, i appreciate your being with us. When you talk about this rally, this seems to be the largest one hes done so far. Talk to me about that and how you feel if thats pumped him up a little bit, energized him on the stump. Yeah, thats right. So this was john kasichs Biggest Campaign rally that hes really held. Ive been covering him nonstop pretty much since he declared his candidacy last summer. There were 3500 people, people were lining out the doors. He spoke to a really large overflow crowd before all of this. Although john kasich is running far behind in the delegate count behind donald trump and behind ted cruz and hes far behind donald trump in the new york polls here, hes trying to do well in new york. Hes trying to come in second place in new york and other Eastern States like this. There are people that are saying to him basically at his town halls every single day now essentially saying stay in the race. There are many emotional moments that hes having with people where theyre really begging him to stay in the race and saying that they want his voice to continue here. That was just one moment, that was one of them that john kasich had at his town hall today. There were also a couple of other moments, one where they were interrupted by disability rights protesters who he ended up meeting with afterward to talk about his disability defending his issues there in ohio. So back to you. Kailani, thank you very much. For more on the gop race i want to bring in Jeremy Peters of the New York Times and also political reporter gabe. Jeremy, i want to start with you. Especially now we have that kind of odd untrumplike appearance at the 9 11 museum this afternoon where he was going to speak, then he wasnt, also the shakeup with his campaign. Do you consider that as far as what that could mean a sign of confidence with donald trump and his campaign or possibly more a sign of disarray . I think for the moment, frances, its really a lot more disarray than it is anything else. Its not clear to me or really anyone else i think except those inside the campaign that the campaign manager, who has proven to be so controversial, corey lewandowski, is going to see his role diminished. We have this caricature of trump as a guy who points at people and says youre fired. But in reality hes very loyal to the people who work for him. I think i would be surprised if he did end up firing his campaign manager. Speaking to that, gabe, i want to bring you in before we go back to you, jeremy, there in colorado springs. In that sense he hasnt been out speaking until wednesday, donald trump. He has this event tomorrow, so well see if there is going to be any kind of a shift as far as his tone or message. But i want to talk about this new poll from reuters saying that if donald trump is denied the nomination, twothirds of his supporters would still back the gop nominee. How surprising do you think the Trump Campaign finds that number now . Well, i think the more surprising number continues to be the number of people who say that they wouldnt support him if he were the nominee. This is exactly the reason there is so much tumult surrounding the convention right now. The Trump Campaign is saying dont worry about that, were going to be the nominee. This is one of the reasons youve seen him go quiet the last couple of days. Theyre trying to figure out exactly how to make that happen. Are they happy to see that twothirds of people would support someone else . Perhaps not. But this is the reason that everyone is in a Holding Pattern and why youre seeing cruz in particular go so hard after these delegates. And a little bit of a boost there, jeremy, where you are, colorado springs, with what really looks like a sizeable victory for ted cruz there. How much will that help him . How significant is that . In this game of inches that the campaign is turning into, its actually very significant. Were talking about 21 delegates that hes already picked up all of them at stake so far in colorado. He has a chance to pick up another 13 later today. It could come down to just a handful of delegates. And a state like colorado, contests like these that are caucuses that are filled with a lot of skaeconservative activis tend to be much more favorable to ted cruz. Theyre not favorable to donald trump paubecause he tends to dominate where plays where his personality shines through. People here on the Convention Floor dont care about that. Theyre more interested in a candidate who will come and talk to them personally and make an appeal. He was the only candidate to come in person and talk to colorado republicans. Gabe, looking ahead in new york, assuming trump sweeps all of new york delegates here, a lot of it is being watched on the race for number two and how that will come into play. What will that do with ted cruz and john kasich there in that race . Well, in particular youre seeing them go after number two because what theyre trying to do is just get as many delegates as possible and then get in a position to select those actual who those delegates actually are because the assumption is that they will go into the convention in a position to fight on the second and third ballots to become the actual nominee, so its extremely important for them to amass as many delegates as possible as we go down the line. The goal for them is to stop trump from getting the nomination, from getting to that number before the convention. If theyre able to amass more and more, its easier for them to make the case that i should be the guy that you eventually go to. Jeremy and gabe, to both of you, thanks so much for being with us. Still to come, we turn to breaking news out of brus