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But just in terms of salaciousness and shock factor and it all happened in a very compressed time period that was a very important time period, there is really nothing that compares with this. This was the cover of a tabloid called star magazine, a story about the then frontrunner for the democratic nomination for president , arkansas governor bill clinton. And this tabloid newspaper alleged that bill clinton had an extramarital affair. Published january 23rd. Three days later, on january 26th, bill clinton with his wife at his side gave an interview to 60 minutes fighting back against those tabloid allegations calling them flatout false. The very next day, after that 60 minutes interview, in front of basically every media outlet in the world, a woman named Gennifer Flowers gave a spectacle of a press conference, flanked by that tabloid magazine cover featuring her in which she fought back against the clintons and what they said on 60 minutes and gave what she said were details of this alleged affair. And this was all happening in january 1992. Thats the election year, right . Bill clinton, that year, was trying to win the democratic nomination for president in 1992. It was january of that year, which means this was all happening at basically the key moment, the key test of whether this arkansas governor really was going to make a run for the presidency. This was all happening right on the precipice of the New Hampshire primary. And just as the Gennifer Flowers allegations started snowballing in the media, then another story dropped about bill clintons past, which blind sided everybody and it could have proven to be just as hurtful to his chances. Just about a week after the Gennifer Flowers story, this emerged, it was a letter written by a young bill clinton, he was a Rhodes Scholar going to school in england, a letter where he argued he would not return to the United States to be drafted to fight in the vietnam war. That letter was dated december 1969. No government really rooted in limited parliamentary democracy should have the power to make its citizens fight and kill and die in a war they may oppose, a war which even possibly may be wrong. Sincerely, bill clinton. He wrote that in 1969, to the colonel in charge of the rotc program, at the university of arkansas. I here in england wont come home to get drafted to fight that terrible war. So all at once, youve got the infidelity scandal, which includes not just the tabloid, but the rebuttal and then the rebuttal to the rebuttal with the salacious press conference. Then immediately there after you have the apparent draft dodger scandal, you have two scandals breaking one on top of the other, dominating the news, dominating the political coverage going right into the all important New Hampshire primaries in 1992, and because of that, nobody really expected bill clinton candidacy to survive those 25 days leading up to New Hampshire. But he survived it. He did it. Let me say that the evening is young and we dont know yet what the final tally will be, i think we know enough to say with some certainty that New Hampshire tonight has made bill clinton the comeback kid. Bill clinton came in second that night in New Hampshire. He didnt win New Hampshire. But he didnt lose either in a strong field. And him showing so strongly in New Hampshire after he took the best that anybody could have possibly conjured up to throw at him in terms of truly juicy salacious scandals not one, but two of them, right on top of each other, right ahead of that primary, him showing so strongly in the face of that, it is safe to say it saved his campaign, the New Hampshire primary 1992 saved the bill clinton for president campaign. And, of course, bill clinton went on to win the democratic nomination and then to be president for two full terms. But his president ial viability started with New Hampshire, with New Hampshire making him the comeback kid. More recently, New Hampshire made a comeback kid out of another candidate for president who everybody thought was beat until New Hampshire showed he wasnt. Im past the age when i can claim the noun kid no matter what adjective precedes it. But today we sure showed them what a comeback looks like. Thank you. Thank you. When the pundits declared us finished, i told them im going to New Hampshire where the voters dont let you make their decision for them. John mccain had a tough primary campaign in 2008. There were whole stretches of months at a time when the biggest news out of the Mccain Campaign was how many of his Staff Members were quitting, how poorly his campaign was going, how demoralized everybody was, how he had no money, no support. John mccain had to win New Hampshire in 2008. Specifically had to beat mitt romney there. And predictions of his demise to the contrary, he did it. He won New Hampshire. That victory in New Hampshire went a really long way to helping john mccain look strong and resilient and helping him win that year. It was more dramatic than it was on the john mccain mitt romney side. On the democratic side in 2008, the drama there was in part about how wrong all the polls were on the democratic side. Barack obama had just beaten Hillary Clinton in iowa the week before, that iowa victory was huge for him. All signs were pointing to him doing the same thing again in New Hampshire. But it turns out all those signs were wrong. Everybody was wrong. The polls were super wrong in 2008 about the democratic primary in New Hampshire. Hillary clinton, in fact, beat barack obama in New Hampshire that night. And that was our first concrete early sign that the fight that year for the democratic nomination was going to be an epic, epic fight. Which it was, right . It went all the way, almost, to the Democratic Convention in terms of figuring it out, between barack obama and Hillary Clinton. An amazing primary battle. But the polling before New Hampshire that year had basically called it a done deal for barack obama. And that specifically led to one very funny, very sobering moment, which i can, like, play, like, on a loop in my head when it is called for. I think i have still yet to live it down. Basically this moment, live on the air, when all of us here in this studio got schooled by tom brokaw on the night of the New Hampshire primary, right . Tom brokaw taking part in our msnbc coverage and were on the air marveling about how wrong the polls were, what a surprise that Hillary Clinton won in New Hampshire when the polls said barack obama would win. We marched into the coverage expecting something based on the polling. That led to this awesome moment from tom brokaw that night on the subject of us taking polling as a substitute for the voters judgment. This is just great. You know, what i think were going to have to go back and do . Yes, sir. Wait for the voters to make their judgment. What do we do then in the days before the balloting . We must stay home, i guess. We dont stay home. There are reasons to analyze what theyre saying. We know from how the people voted today, what moved them to vote, you can take a look at that. But we dont have to get in the business of making judgments before the polls have closed and trying to stampede in an effective process. Im not picking on just us, it is part of the culture in which we live these days. I think the people out there are going to make some judgments about us if they havent already if we dont begin to temper that temptation to constantly try to get ahead of what the voters are deciding in many cases as we learned in New Hampshire when they went into the polling booth today. Tom brokaw on the night of the New Hampshire primary 2008. Saying we the media should not get ahead of the voters. Avoid the temptation to try to get ahead of what the voters are deciding. Dont let the polls dictate the results before the results are in. It is the voters. Boy, did we learn that lesson in 2008. In New Hampshire alone we learned that lesson, right . And partly you learn that lesson because, you know, sometimes the polls are wrong. So if you go into your punditry, based on what the polls are saying, sometimes you get showed up. Sometimes you learn that lesson because this is an election. Not a reality show. It really is up to the voters to decide and there is no substitute for the voters deciding. Thats the only thing like that. That media failure in 2008 and in conservative media misreading the polls in 2012 and the few other times it has happened, right . Those embarrassments were just about, you know, taking the polls and making bad predictions on the air. Misreading the momentum, right, based on the polling. Just about the problem there was just the way people talked about the election. This year that ongoing problem is much more serious and much more consequential. Because this year it is not just about how people are talking about the election, this year the Fox News Channel has proposed taking the polling and using it to actually decide who gets to compete for president in the first place in the Republican Party. Who gets to be on the stage who gets to make the case to the voters. The Fox News Channel is hosting the first republican primary debate this year said theyll only allow ten candidates on the stage for the first debate, and the way fox says they are going to decide which ten candidates is by using the most recent National Polling leading up to that debate. Fox is saying they want to use polling not just to, you know, inform their anchors and correspondents and pundits in terms of how they talk about the race on tv, they want to use the polling to decide who gets to compete for the nomination in the first place. I mean, the way most americans will decide who to vote for in the primary process, the way most voters experience the candidates and decide between them is by watching the debates, right . There are not many that many of these debates, especially this year. Fox news is the gate teeper for the first one. They said theyll keep quite a lot of the candidates out of that debate, out of the process based on National Polling. Cnn is proposing doing the same thing. Theyll host the second Republican Debate. Cnn is being more open about what criteria theyre going to use to pick their top ten and exclude other candidates. Fox is being really vague. We dont know, for example, which polls theyre going to consider when they make that top ten candidate cutoff. We dont know if theyre going to be rounding their polling averages. That may sound like an esoteric math geek problem but it is life or death for a candidate like Carly Fiorina. Right now Carly Fiorina averaging out to 1. 6 in the polls. If fox rounds her 1. 6 up to 2 , then she ties with john kasich and then makes it into the debates. If fox is not going to round up if they dont say 1. 6 is roughly 2 , it is 1. 6 , then shell be out. 4 in the decision about rounding and the National Polls would be the determining factor here to decide whether or not the only woman potential nominee on the republican side will allow be allowed to compete for the nomination. Thats ridiculous. Youre talking about infinitesimal differences here. Really it will determine whether or not a Candidates Campaign is essentially over. And the gatekeeper is the Cable News Network . The way that fox news is proposing winnowing down the field what they have disclosed anyway, at best an arbitrary basis on which to be deciding something as important as who is allowed to compete for the presidency. It is a terrible decision that they have decided to make, making this decision themselves instead of leaving it to the voters. Bad enough when Cable News Networks or anybody talking about this stuff on tv supplants their own judgment for the voters. But for the network to decide organizationally theyre deciding who is running . And theyre not even disclosing how exactly theyre making that decision . And this is all happening as more and more and more and more and more viable candidates have been getting in on the republican side. Look at the folk on this list. These are not cooks and cranks. These are not people who are faking a run or running a protest candidacy or not planning on hiring staff and want a book deal. Republicans are right when they say they have a deep bench. This is a group of candidates they can be proud of. Theyre right. This is not a clown car. But as more and more and more of those potentially viable candidates have gotten in, with still more to come, it has become more and more clear that fox cant do what they have said theyre going to do. It cant stand. It cannot stand. And now as of today, and as of tonight, it is on. Because as of today, it is not just me winking about that on liberal tv, as of now, basically the entire Republican Leadership of the all important state of New Hampshire is saying it too. This is a letter from dozens and dozens of Republican Leaders in New Hampshire sent to fox news today saying, basically, we the voters of New Hampshire get to decide who deserves this nomination. We have done it in years past. Were good at it. We deserve to do it again this year. It is going to be us making this decision. Not you, some Cable News Network. Historically it has been the responsibility of early primary and caucus states to closely examine and winnow the field of candidates and it is not in the electorates interest to have tv debate criteria supplant this solemn duty. Proposed limitations are unnecessarily narrow and risk eliminating potentially viable candidates based on unreliable National Polling that is rarely predictive of primary election outcomes. Letter go on to say, denying candidates the opportunity to participate in the first debate would, quote, artificially distort the political process and they make a strong cogent reasoned case that what fox news proposed would be bad for the Republican Party and it would be bad for the country. And then there is also just the sheer number of signers of this letter that make the most powerful part of their argument for them, more than 50 republican elected officials and leaders and activists have signed on to this thing. This is not some crank outfit, this is essentially the powers that be in New Hampshire saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, were in an early state for a reason, we make the decision about which candidates get on the stage and which candidates dont, our voters make those decisions, those decisions dont get made by some tv network. And went on to propose and some alternate ideas they think would be more fair in terms of how organized the early debates, they proposed an idea in which fox would broadcast multiple debates, backtoback debates, nix the top tier and lower tier candidates randomly together. So you dont have 20 people on stage all at once, but maybe two backtoback debates of ten. And mix them according to top tier candidates and lower tier candidates and see how it goes. And who knows, maybe that would be a better way of doing it. I dont know. What is becoming very clear is fox news plan to cut off the field at a round number based on flexible, irrelevant and opaque criteria, it is really not going to stand. Thats not going to be the way it happens. It is not going to stand with republicans. It is not going to stand in New Hampshire. And it is really just not going to stand for the country. And further, we have a bit of breaking news on that last point. The New Hampshire union leader, the newspaper in New Hampshire, right, the union leader, the most influential newspaper in New Hampshire has Just Announced that on the same night as this troubling first debate that has been scheduled by fox news, on that same night, the New Hampshire union leader is calling the question, theyre going to host what theyre calling a Candidates Forum. Theyre inviting the candidates to participate and say it will be televised live by cspan. This is the fox killer. The papers publisher calling fox news debate plan a, quote, real threat to the first in the nation primary, voters have an independent streak and they might well be disposed to vote for a socalled also ran who didnt meet the fox criteria but spent the time and effort here to answer and meet their questions. The New Hampshire union leader and Gennifer Flowers<\/a> gave a spectacle of a press conference, flanked by that tabloid magazine cover featuring her in which she fought back against the clintons and what they said on 60 minutes and gave what she said were details of this alleged affair. And this was all happening in january 1992. Thats the election year, right . Bill clinton, that year, was trying to win the democratic nomination for president in 1992. It was january of that year, which means this was all happening at basically the key moment, the key test of whether this arkansas governor really was going to make a run for the presidency. This was all happening right on the precipice of the New Hampshire<\/a> primary. And just as the Gennifer Flowers<\/a> allegations started snowballing in the media, then another story dropped about bill clintons past, which blind sided everybody and it could have proven to be just as hurtful to his chances. Just about a week after the Gennifer Flowers<\/a> story, this emerged, it was a letter written by a young bill clinton, he was a Rhodes Scholar<\/a> going to school in england, a letter where he argued he would not return to the United States<\/a> to be drafted to fight in the vietnam war. That letter was dated december 1969. No government really rooted in limited parliamentary democracy should have the power to make its citizens fight and kill and die in a war they may oppose, a war which even possibly may be wrong. Sincerely, bill clinton. He wrote that in 1969, to the colonel in charge of the rotc program, at the university of arkansas. I here in england wont come home to get drafted to fight that terrible war. So all at once, youve got the infidelity scandal, which includes not just the tabloid, but the rebuttal and then the rebuttal to the rebuttal with the salacious press conference. Then immediately there after you have the apparent draft dodger scandal, you have two scandals breaking one on top of the other, dominating the news, dominating the political coverage going right into the all important New Hampshire<\/a> primaries in 1992, and because of that, nobody really expected bill clinton candidacy to survive those 25 days leading up to New Hampshire<\/a>. But he survived it. He did it. Let me say that the evening is young and we dont know yet what the final tally will be, i think we know enough to say with some certainty that New Hampshire<\/a> tonight has made bill clinton the comeback kid. Bill clinton came in second that night in New Hampshire<\/a>. He didnt win New Hampshire<\/a>. But he didnt lose either in a strong field. And him showing so strongly in New Hampshire<\/a> after he took the best that anybody could have possibly conjured up to throw at him in terms of truly juicy salacious scandals not one, but two of them, right on top of each other, right ahead of that primary, him showing so strongly in the face of that, it is safe to say it saved his campaign, the New Hampshire<\/a> primary 1992 saved the bill clinton for president campaign. And, of course, bill clinton went on to win the democratic nomination and then to be president for two full terms. But his president ial viability started with New Hampshire<\/a>, with New Hampshire<\/a> making him the comeback kid. More recently, New Hampshire<\/a> made a comeback kid out of another candidate for president who everybody thought was beat until New Hampshire<\/a> showed he wasnt. Im past the age when i can claim the noun kid no matter what adjective precedes it. But today we sure showed them what a comeback looks like. Thank you. Thank you. When the pundits declared us finished, i told them im going to New Hampshire<\/a> where the voters dont let you make their decision for them. John mccain had a tough primary campaign in 2008. There were whole stretches of months at a time when the biggest news out of the Mccain Campaign<\/a> was how many of his Staff Members<\/a> were quitting, how poorly his campaign was going, how demoralized everybody was, how he had no money, no support. John mccain had to win New Hampshire<\/a> in 2008. Specifically had to beat mitt romney there. And predictions of his demise to the contrary, he did it. He won New Hampshire<\/a>. That victory in New Hampshire<\/a> went a really long way to helping john mccain look strong and resilient and helping him win that year. It was more dramatic than it was on the john mccain mitt romney side. On the democratic side in 2008, the drama there was in part about how wrong all the polls were on the democratic side. Barack obama had just beaten Hillary Clinton<\/a> in iowa the week before, that iowa victory was huge for him. All signs were pointing to him doing the same thing again in New Hampshire<\/a>. But it turns out all those signs were wrong. Everybody was wrong. The polls were super wrong in 2008 about the democratic primary in New Hampshire<\/a>. Hillary clinton, in fact, beat barack obama in New Hampshire<\/a> that night. And that was our first concrete early sign that the fight that year for the democratic nomination was going to be an epic, epic fight. Which it was, right . It went all the way, almost, to the Democratic Convention<\/a> in terms of figuring it out, between barack obama and Hillary Clinton<\/a>. An amazing primary battle. But the polling before New Hampshire<\/a> that year had basically called it a done deal for barack obama. And that specifically led to one very funny, very sobering moment, which i can, like, play, like, on a loop in my head when it is called for. I think i have still yet to live it down. Basically this moment, live on the air, when all of us here in this studio got schooled by tom brokaw on the night of the New Hampshire<\/a> primary, right . Tom brokaw taking part in our msnbc coverage and were on the air marveling about how wrong the polls were, what a surprise that Hillary Clinton<\/a> won in New Hampshire<\/a> when the polls said barack obama would win. We marched into the coverage expecting something based on the polling. That led to this awesome moment from tom brokaw that night on the subject of us taking polling as a substitute for the voters judgment. This is just great. You know, what i think were going to have to go back and do . Yes, sir. Wait for the voters to make their judgment. What do we do then in the days before the balloting . We must stay home, i guess. We dont stay home. There are reasons to analyze what theyre saying. We know from how the people voted today, what moved them to vote, you can take a look at that. But we dont have to get in the business of making judgments before the polls have closed and trying to stampede in an effective process. Im not picking on just us, it is part of the culture in which we live these days. I think the people out there are going to make some judgments about us if they havent already if we dont begin to temper that temptation to constantly try to get ahead of what the voters are deciding in many cases as we learned in New Hampshire<\/a> when they went into the polling booth today. Tom brokaw on the night of the New Hampshire<\/a> primary 2008. Saying we the media should not get ahead of the voters. Avoid the temptation to try to get ahead of what the voters are deciding. Dont let the polls dictate the results before the results are in. It is the voters. Boy, did we learn that lesson in 2008. In New Hampshire<\/a> alone we learned that lesson, right . And partly you learn that lesson because, you know, sometimes the polls are wrong. So if you go into your punditry, based on what the polls are saying, sometimes you get showed up. Sometimes you learn that lesson because this is an election. Not a reality show. It really is up to the voters to decide and there is no substitute for the voters deciding. Thats the only thing like that. That media failure in 2008 and in conservative media misreading the polls in 2012 and the few other times it has happened, right . Those embarrassments were just about, you know, taking the polls and making bad predictions on the air. Misreading the momentum, right, based on the polling. Just about the problem there was just the way people talked about the election. This year that ongoing problem is much more serious and much more consequential. Because this year it is not just about how people are talking about the election, this year the Fox News Channel<\/a> has proposed taking the polling and using it to actually decide who gets to compete for president in the first place in the Republican Party<\/a>. Who gets to be on the stage who gets to make the case to the voters. The Fox News Channel<\/a> is hosting the first republican primary debate this year said theyll only allow ten candidates on the stage for the first debate, and the way fox says they are going to decide which ten candidates is by using the most recent National Polling<\/a> leading up to that debate. Fox is saying they want to use polling not just to, you know, inform their anchors and correspondents and pundits in terms of how they talk about the race on tv, they want to use the polling to decide who gets to compete for the nomination in the first place. I mean, the way most americans will decide who to vote for in the primary process, the way most voters experience the candidates and decide between them is by watching the debates, right . There are not many that many of these debates, especially this year. Fox news is the gate teeper for the first one. They said theyll keep quite a lot of the candidates out of that debate, out of the process based on National Polling<\/a>. Cnn is proposing doing the same thing. Theyll host the second Republican Debate<\/a>. Cnn is being more open about what criteria theyre going to use to pick their top ten and exclude other candidates. Fox is being really vague. We dont know, for example, which polls theyre going to consider when they make that top ten candidate cutoff. We dont know if theyre going to be rounding their polling averages. That may sound like an esoteric math geek problem but it is life or death for a candidate like Carly Fiorina<\/a>. Right now Carly Fiorina<\/a> averaging out to 1. 6 in the polls. If fox rounds her 1. 6 up to 2 , then she ties with john kasich and then makes it into the debates. If fox is not going to round up if they dont say 1. 6 is roughly 2 , it is 1. 6 , then shell be out. 4 in the decision about rounding and the National Polls<\/a> would be the determining factor here to decide whether or not the only woman potential nominee on the republican side will allow be allowed to compete for the nomination. Thats ridiculous. Youre talking about infinitesimal differences here. Really it will determine whether or not a Candidates Campaign<\/a> is essentially over. And the gatekeeper is the Cable News Network<\/a> . The way that fox news is proposing winnowing down the field what they have disclosed anyway, at best an arbitrary basis on which to be deciding something as important as who is allowed to compete for the presidency. It is a terrible decision that they have decided to make, making this decision themselves instead of leaving it to the voters. Bad enough when Cable News Network<\/a>s or anybody talking about this stuff on tv supplants their own judgment for the voters. But for the network to decide organizationally theyre deciding who is running . And theyre not even disclosing how exactly theyre making that decision . And this is all happening as more and more and more and more and more viable candidates have been getting in on the republican side. Look at the folk on this list. These are not cooks and cranks. These are not people who are faking a run or running a protest candidacy or not planning on hiring staff and want a book deal. Republicans are right when they say they have a deep bench. This is a group of candidates they can be proud of. Theyre right. This is not a clown car. But as more and more and more of those potentially viable candidates have gotten in, with still more to come, it has become more and more clear that fox cant do what they have said theyre going to do. It cant stand. It cannot stand. And now as of today, and as of tonight, it is on. Because as of today, it is not just me winking about that on liberal tv, as of now, basically the entire Republican Leadership<\/a> of the all important state of New Hampshire<\/a> is saying it too. This is a letter from dozens and dozens of Republican Leaders<\/a> in New Hampshire<\/a> sent to fox news today saying, basically, we the voters of New Hampshire<\/a> get to decide who deserves this nomination. We have done it in years past. Were good at it. We deserve to do it again this year. It is going to be us making this decision. Not you, some Cable News Network<\/a>. Historically it has been the responsibility of early primary and caucus states to closely examine and winnow the field of candidates and it is not in the electorates interest to have tv debate criteria supplant this solemn duty. Proposed limitations are unnecessarily narrow and risk eliminating potentially viable candidates based on unreliable National Polling<\/a> that is rarely predictive of primary election outcomes. Letter go on to say, denying candidates the opportunity to participate in the first debate would, quote, artificially distort the political process and they make a strong cogent reasoned case that what fox news proposed would be bad for the Republican Party<\/a> and it would be bad for the country. And then there is also just the sheer number of signers of this letter that make the most powerful part of their argument for them, more than 50 republican elected officials and leaders and activists have signed on to this thing. This is not some crank outfit, this is essentially the powers that be in New Hampshire<\/a> saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, were in an early state for a reason, we make the decision about which candidates get on the stage and which candidates dont, our voters make those decisions, those decisions dont get made by some tv network. And went on to propose and some alternate ideas they think would be more fair in terms of how organized the early debates, they proposed an idea in which fox would broadcast multiple debates, backtoback debates, nix the top tier and lower tier candidates randomly together. So you dont have 20 people on stage all at once, but maybe two backtoback debates of ten. And mix them according to top tier candidates and lower tier candidates and see how it goes. And who knows, maybe that would be a better way of doing it. I dont know. What is becoming very clear is fox news plan to cut off the field at a round number based on flexible, irrelevant and opaque criteria, it is really not going to stand. Thats not going to be the way it happens. It is not going to stand with republicans. It is not going to stand in New Hampshire<\/a>. And it is really just not going to stand for the country. And further, we have a bit of breaking news on that last point. The New Hampshire<\/a> union leader, the newspaper in New Hampshire<\/a>, right, the union leader, the most influential newspaper in New Hampshire<\/a> has Just Announced<\/a> that on the same night as this troubling first debate that has been scheduled by fox news, on that same night, the New Hampshire<\/a> union leader is calling the question, theyre going to host what theyre calling a Candidates Forum<\/a>. Theyre inviting the candidates to participate and say it will be televised live by cspan. This is the fox killer. The papers publisher calling fox news debate plan a, quote, real threat to the first in the nation primary, voters have an independent streak and they might well be disposed to vote for a socalled also ran who didnt meet the fox criteria but spent the time and effort here to answer and meet their questions. The New Hampshire<\/a> union leader and New Hampshire<\/a> republicans just blew up the republican primary process for 2016. We have reached out to the Fox News Channel<\/a> and to the Republican National<\/a> committee for their comment and their reaction tonight, we have not yet heard anything back, but were sitting by the phone waiting. Honestly, this is a huge, huge, huge set of developments for the run for the presidency this year. The fox news plan for the debates is not going to stand. It is not going to stand in New Hampshire<\/a>. That means it cannot stand. And what just happened tonight is that New Hampshire<\/a>, the Republican Party<\/a>, and the Union Leader Newspaper<\/a> in New Hampshire<\/a> have just blown up the Republican Party<\/a>s plans for how to run its primary process for 2016. Blown up, as of tonight. Whoo. [music] defiance is in our bones. New citracal pearls. Delicious berries and cream. Soft, chewable, calcium plus vitamin d. Only from citracal. Out of 42 vehicles based on 6 different criteria, why did a panel of 11 automotive experts name the Volkswagen Golf<\/a> motor trends 2015 car of the year . Well give you four good reasons. The Volkswagen Golf<\/a>. Starting at 19,295, theres an awardwinning golf for everyone. Get fastacting, longlasting relief from heartburn with it neutralizes stomach acid and is the only product that forms a protective barrier that helps keep stomach acid in the stomach where it belongs. For fastacting, longlasting relief. Try gaviscon\u00ae. Step one, Fox News Channel<\/a> issues their decree about who gets to participate in the very first republican primary debate which is effectively who gets to compete for the republican nomination for president. They decree that it will be only the top ten candidates in National Polling<\/a>. So, you know, who cares how youre doing in iowa, how youre doing in New Hampshire<\/a>. Fox news said well pick them ourselves in our own terms. Thats step one. Step two. Basically every leading republican official and activist in the all important state of New Hampshire<\/a> rebels. And tells fox news no way, you dont get to decide who our candidates are. Our voters do that. Thats the whole reason iowa and New Hampshire<\/a> go early. We do the winnowing at the ballot box. You dont get to do it based on who you want to put on tv. Step three, a leading New Hampshire<\/a> leading newspaper in New Hampshire<\/a> threatens to hold their own competing Republican Debate<\/a> on the very same night of the fox news debate. Now, there has been step four. Fox news has sort of tried to cave and failed. This is some breaking news within just the last few moments, fox news in response to the developments, fox news says they will hold what theyre calling the Candidates Forum<\/a> on the same night as their official debate for the candidates who dont make their arbitrary and widely criticized cut. Which is nuts. They essentially want to have the debate and then a kids table ahead of the debate and say theyre treating everybody fairly. It seems like New Hampshire<\/a> republicans threw this whole thing into chaos today with the letter they wrote to fox news saying they objected to the fox news criteria and that fox was usurping this role that New Hampshire<\/a> voters and have played over the longterm. It seems like this is not yet resolved, this is chaos now, but the fight is turning out to be really, really interesting. Joining us is chris sanunu. Really appreciate you joining us this evening. Thank you for being here. Thank you, rachel. Thank you for having me. This is exciting. I dont know how this is going to i dont know how this is going to play out with fox now offering this kids table idea for a Candidates Forum<\/a> and the New Hampshire<\/a> union leader saying dont go to fox, be on our event instead. Did you know when you put this letter together you would be stirring up some chaos here . No. I think that is stirring up chaos was not the intent of the letter. I can tell you, just hearing that the news about the union leader and fox news response in the last few moments, im surprised by not surprised. Again, the point wasnt to stir up chaos, more to reemphasize a lot of what you brought up at the top of the show, just that the New Hampshire<\/a> model works, it is tried, it is true. We know what were doing. It is something the country entrusted with us and were trying to encourage fox to make sure they include all the candidates because if anything, that history has shown, any candidate really has a chance. Especially six or seven months before the first primary. There is a lot of opportunity for the first candidates and we want to make sure they have their fair share. When i look at the republican field now, i can i can empathize with fox and making this decision in the abstract. Top ten, people over 1 , like those kind of cutoffs seem like a reasonable expectation of how to put together a debate field in a reasonable year that looks like other years. I look at this problem and see this emerged from a very, very unusually strong and unusually flat republican field. Just seems to me like, yeah, you can name a few frontrunners, but there may very well be more than 15 candidates who are conceivably viable and thats why this decision is hard to make. Is that how you see it . Absolutely. I dont want to speak for the folks at fox. Like you said, in traditional years, the field seems to winnow itself down on its own to ten or less. This year there is no frontrunner. It is a very deep bench. All these candidates are doing very, very well across the state. Nobody is faltering, nobody is surging ahead. Maybe there was the assumption that might happen on its own, but i dont think it will happen before the first debate or for quite a while, which keeps it real interesting. I think it will remain to be seen how the Union Leaders<\/a> piece and the fox forum those will have to be sorted out i think over time between now and the first debate, but my sense is that im hopeful everyone is clearly looking at it and looking at the issue and will come to a resolution that satisfies all the candidates. Thats our hope, at least. If things stay the way they are in terms of what is being proposed and fox wants to keep its real debate as only the top ten candidates, even if they want to add this afternoon adjunct where the fox declared also rans can sit at the kids table if they stick with that and the New Hampshire<\/a> union leader sticks with their proposal, that candidates should do the Union Leaders<\/a> event and it should be on cspan, theyll let everybody in, let Voters Decide<\/a> rather than having an arbitrary cutoff, do you think it will be in a situation where candidates are being lobbied as to which one of those debates they want to participate in . That very well could happen. I give a lot of credit here to joe mcquade, the publisher of the union leader. Hes bold. Hes been around a long time. Hell fight for New Hampshire<\/a> harder than anyone. Hes right. Hes absolutely right. I think some of the feedback we have received from the other candidates, they understand that the issue and they understand the situation. So it will be interesting to see how it plays out, especially as my sense is nothing will happen for a little while and as the weeks grow nearer and nearer, jockeying for position and maybe even lobbying for candidates time. One way or another, the debates will be exciting, informative, people will tune in. And frankly maybe we have gotten some more people that might not typically tune in to actually stand up and take notice. New hampshire always has a very high active rate in terms of our voter participation. My sense is with all the national publicity, a few more people take notice and help shape iowa, New Hampshire<\/a>, South Carolina<\/a> and earlier states. From a storied New Hampshire<\/a> political family, appreciate you being here. Thank you very much. Thank you. It is amazing on stories like this, you think this is, like, there has to be friction here. This cant possibly work here. Something has to give here. When it gives it all gives like, you cant believe like the floor is gone. Between this letter from New Hampshire<\/a> republicans and the union leader saying no well do a competing thing and fox proposing to change the whole criteria, thats all happened within a few hours today. What will happen tomorrow . Whoo well be right back. From more than one perspective. Embracing diversity can enrich your story by allowing you to see things from more than just one point of view. Thats a story worth telling. The more you know. Youve heard of a winwin, right . What about a winwinwin . 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Near to the adirondacks, several million acres of wilderness. The park is the size of vermont, just a huge forested mountainous area. But Lake Champlain<\/a> is bordered on one side by new york and on the other side by vermont. As we reported last night, authorities spent much of yesterday combing through the town of willsboro, new york, right against the shore of Lake Champlain<\/a>. They didnt find the escaped prisoners there yesterday. Today, they revealed they shifted their focus beyond new york and into vermont. Theyre now saying this may be a twostate ordeal. When new York Governor Andrew Cuomo<\/a> showed up, he brought with him the colonel of the Vermont State Police<\/a> and the governor of vermont. We have information that suggests that they thought that new york was going to be hot, vermont would be cooler, in terms of Law Enforcement<\/a> and that a camp in vermont might be a better place to be than new york. Where in vermont . We dont know. 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A book that got into the west wing, apparently because the Deputy National<\/a> security adviser tom donilon was reading it. After he read it, he passed it on to the white house chief of staff rahm emanuel. Rahm emanuel reportedly read it all in one weekend and he decided to show the book to the president. But when he brought the book to the president , turns out the president was already reading it. So rahm emanuel instead gave his copy to david axelrod, Senior Adviser<\/a> to the president. After the president finished his copy of the book, he gave his copy to Vice President<\/a> joe biden to read. And that basically is an Accidental Book Club<\/a>. When word got out that they were reading this one book, good luck finding yourself a copy of that book, especially in a d. C. Book shop. From the wall street journal at the time, quote, in washington, books are flying off the shelves. None of the major bookstores near the white house have the recently leased paper back edition of the book in stock. One major shop in georgetown said it had copies, but none for sale. All the remaining copies were being held for buyers. People had phoned in to the barnes noble in georgetown and given their credit card number to put a hold on one of last copies of the book so it wouldnt be gone by the time they show up to get it. The Obama Administration<\/a> Accidental Book Club<\/a> was over this book. Lessons in disaster, about what happened in washington to make the vietnam war such an american disaster told through the lens of the man National Security<\/a> adviser to both jfk and lyndon johnson. The bottom line of the book is that johnson escalated the vietnam war, even though he didnt want to, didnt have to, even though he shouldnt have, and had johnson not been president , had he not been in a position to make that mistake, had john f. Kennedy not been assassinated in 1963, the huge escalation of that war, that ballooning failure of american involvement in that doomed exercise, it wouldnt have happened. Eisenhower was first president to send troops or advisers into vietnam in the 1950s after ike came john f. Kennedy and kennedy did escalate the number of americans there, but it was really after kennedy was killed in 1963 that the numbers of u. S. Troops in vietnam go through the roof. And it is hundreds of thousands of american troops for years and years and years, an american death toll that hits 50,000 and then keeps climbing. Lbj didnt want a war in vietnam. He campaigned against it. Said it was a terrible idea. But once he was president , he escalated it like a house on fire. Nixon said he had a secret plan to end the war, nixon didnt have a secret plan to end the war. The insanity of the war dragged on for years and years and years, the escalation they couldnt get out of. It started in the 50s, didnt end until the 70s. Even then it was lost and the president who came after nixon even made a half hearted effort to restart it after it was over. When the Obama Administration<\/a> started in 2009, the new president and the new administration let it be known in ways large and small including letting everybody know what they were all reading, letting everybody know they were cognizant of the lessons of the escalation in vietnam, they would not keep dumping more and more live bodies on to a losing fight, to compensate for the fundamental pointlessness of the fight into which those lives were being thrown. Students of vietnam, admirers of jfk say that had he lived, 58,000 americans would not have died in vietnam. And that war wouldnt have stretched through three separate decades. In the vietnam analogy, the new Obama Administration<\/a> aspired to be jfk, not lbj. So at the start of the Obama Administration<\/a>, they were cognizant of his analogies. They might surge in afghanistan, but wouldnt let afghanistan be a quagmire. That was 2009. The Afghanistan War<\/a> obviously is still on. Then about a year ago, president obama now second term grayer haired president went into the White House Briefing<\/a> room about a year ago and announced in addition to the u. S. Troops, there were already in iraq watching over the u. S. Embassy in iraq, he was going to send a small number of additional American Military<\/a> advisers, up to 300, to assess how we can best train and advise and support Iraqi Security<\/a> forces going forward. That was june 19th, 300 troops. Then bit end of the month, on june 30th, 200 more. Then in august, another 130 troops being sent. In september, another 350 troops being sent. Then about a week later, another 475 troops being sent. By november, another 1500 troops being sent. And then today, another 450 troops. A year of steady escalation sending more and more u. S. Troops into iraq on the ground, now thousands of u. S. Troops there. And todays announced escalation means u. S. Troops operating out of a military base that troops used in iraq during the last war, a base in eastern anbar province, a group close to the huge swaths of territory that isis already controls in that part of iraq. So the numbers are up. And rising steadily. The proximity to isis is now radically up. The number of reopened bases is up. And so far congress has taken no action to debate or vote on this new and quickly escalating engagement. What was the title of that book they had been reading . Lessons in disaster. Joining us now is chris murphy, u. S. Senator from connecticut. Thank you for being here tonight. Thank you for having me. Let me ask your reaction to president obama authorizing sending 450 more troops, reopening that base in anbar province. What is your reaction to that, broadly . Let me answer that in context of what you just explained. I do think there is an important distinction between the lessons from the vietnam war and the fight in against isis. The fight in vietnam was a domino theory, if we didnt step forward to stop the vietcong there, there would be a series of dominos that would fall, that eventually would lead to attack on the United States<\/a>. Here it is arguably, i think a very good argument, very different in that the United States<\/a> could be the very next domino that if isis gains control of a significant amount of territory in the middle east, that they could use that territory to launch attacks against the United States<\/a>. We dont have to look back to vietnam to understand the lessons of how not to proceed in that region. It is just the last ten years worth of experience in iraq that tells us that a massive deployment of Ground Troops<\/a> there may kill a lot of enemies, but they create many more. I support the president s mission to try to assist in the training of the iraqi forces. But i would be much more comfortable in supporting that mission if i knew what the limits of it were, which is why i think congress has to vote this week, next week, on a prohibition on the large scale deployment of Ground Troops<\/a>, so that that creeping number of hundreds at a time doesnt become a second iraq war. You and tim kaine have been a Leading Light<\/a> on this, a number of democrats who pushed for this, even some republicans who say they agree with you on this. It still doesnt feel like leadership, either in the house or the senate and either party is willing to actually make this a priority and do it. What youve been pushing for it so far and havent gotten it. Is there some other way you can push . Is there Something Else<\/a> that can be done to make Congress Take<\/a> this up . Listen, i think youre asking the 16,000 question. It is relatively easy to authorize a war when you have been attacked in the immediate past, whether that be after the attack on pearl harbor or the world trade centers. This is different. This is a much more shadowy, diffuse enemy, may not today present the kind of threat it would if it morphed into something that had control of large parts of that region. But it doesnt mean our constitutional obligation is any less. And there is where i think the lessons from the vietnam war do come into play. Congress knew over time that the strategy wasnt working. But because the strategy was moving at incremental paces, they never felt there was an imperative to step in and set the record straight. Were ten months into this new war against isis. We had americans die overseas, spending hundreds of billions of dollars. I think there is goodwill on both sides to do something about it. But the clock is ticking and were going to get into a vietnam situation in which congress is essentially permanently abdicating its responsibility if we dont do something soon. Senator chris murphy of connecticut, thank you for your time. Thank you for being so out there on this issue in terms of your consistent willingness to put yourself out there and speak out on this. Youre a rare light on this in washington. I really appreciate it, sir. Thank you, rachel. Well be right back. Can a business have a mind . A subconscious. A knack for predicting the future. Reflexes faster than the speed of thought. Can a business have a spirit . Can a business have a soul . Can a business be. Alive . You are looking at two airplane fuel gauges. Can you spot the difference . No . You cant see that . Alright, lets take a look. The one on the right just used 1 less fuel than the one on the left. Now, to an airline a 1 difference could save enough fuel to power hundreds of flights around the world. 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We will rock you anthem call 1800royal caribbean or your travel agent today we are wrapping up to hand over to lawrence right now. I want to recap the breaking news that happened during our hour. The republican president ial primary process just blew up. Today dozens of leading New Hampshire<\/a> republicans wrote to Fox News Channel<\/a> and the republican news party, the first debate to ten candidates. Following that the union lead er newspaper threw a can of gas on the fire and said they will usurp the debate process from fox and the rnc. They will sponsor their own Candidates Forum<\/a> for republican candidates on the same night and broadcast it on cspan. They are telling the candidates bail on fox if you want to win New Hampshire<\/a>. Moments ago, fox news announced they would hold a Candidates Forum<\/a> before their debate for people that dont make the cut off for the real debate. Is that going to fly . A kids table for the people that dont make it. I have no idea. The rnc threatened any candidate that debates in a debate not sanctioned by the party will be barred from future debates. I can fit them all in the studio whenever they want. We have plenty of room. No arbitrary cut off. They are all welcome. No problem. Thanks, rachel. Well, at least he apologized through his lawyer. He apologizes to all who are offended. Reporter former Mckinney Police<\/a> officer eric casebolt","publisher":{"@type":"Organization","name":"archive.org","logo":{"@type":"ImageObject","width":"800","height":"600","url":"\/\/ia801308.us.archive.org\/1\/items\/MSNBCW_20150611_040000_The_Rachel_Maddow_Show\/MSNBCW_20150611_040000_The_Rachel_Maddow_Show.thumbs\/MSNBCW_20150611_040000_The_Rachel_Maddow_Show_000001.jpg"}},"autauthor":{"@type":"Organization"},"author":{"sameAs":"archive.org","name":"archive.org"}}],"coverageEndTime":"20240617T12:35:10+00:00"}