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President s personal Communications May have been caught up in, quote, incidental surveillance, after the election. The chairman going to the white house to share what he knew with the president , and then he talked to the press. Today i briefed the president on the concerns that i had about incidental collection and how it relates to president elect trump and his Transition Team and the concerns that i have, as i said earlier, there will be more information hopefully by friday. The nsa is cooperating very, very well, and lastly, ill say that the reports that i was able to see did not have anything to do with russia or the Russian Investigation tied to the trump team. With that, ill take a couple questions. Quick question, why is it appropriate for you to brief President Trump given its his own administration or Campaign Associates that are part of this investigation . Because what i because what i saw has nothing to do with russia and nothing to do with the Russian Investigation. Has everything to to with possible surveillance activities and the president needs to know these intelligence reports are out there and i have a duty to tell him that. Are you looking at the answers jump to conclusions before it was completed . Im not drawing any conclusions. Im just telling the president what exists in intelligence reports. Was the subject of the surveillance it appears so. I dont want to get too much into those details but these were intelligence reports and it brings up a lot of concerns about, you know, whether things were properly minimized or not. But i will tell you, ive only spe seen some. Its in the dozens. I dont have we dont have the full scope of all the intelligence reports that were produced or who ordered the unmasking of additional names. Mr. How masked . Are you saying the surveillance it wasnt related to russia or anything like that. Are you saying that it was political surveillance or political opponents as the president suggested in his tweets . What i what ive read bothers me and i think it should bother the president , himself, and his team because i dont i think some of it seems to be inappropriate, but like i said, until we get all the information to the committee, its hard to its hard to really say until we see. What ive read seems to me to be some level of surveillance activity, perhaps legal, but i dont know that its right and i dont know that the American People would be comfortable with what ive read, but let us get all the reports chairman, wases the president involved . Correct in what he tweeted . It is possible. Have you seen anything that suggests that president obama ordered any kind of surveillance of the president . Of the president elect . We dont know we dont know who sent the tasking, if they were changed into what went into these intelligence reports but were going to try to find that out. This is information that was brought to me that i thought the president needed to know about incidental collection where the president , himself, and others in the trump Transition Team, were clearly put into intelligence reports that ended up at this white house and across a whole bunch of other agencies and i thought it was important for the president to know this. What did the president tell you after you briefed him about this . I think the president is concerned. And he should be. I think hed like to see these reports. And i hopefully hopefully when we get them, hopefully theyll get them to the white house also. Can you rule out the possibility that Senior Obama Administration officials were involved in this . No, we cannot. And then after meeting with the chairman, President Trump responded in the cabinet room. Mr. President , do you feel vindicated by chairman do you feel vindicated by chairman nunes coming over here, sir . I somewhat do, i must tell you, i somewhat do. I very much appreciated the fact that they found what they found. And then theres more. Within the last hour, the chairmans partner on the Intelligence Committee, Ranking Member, the democrat, congressman adam schiff, he came out and lets jt say he did nold back. I think it gravely concerning to the members of the committee that the chairman would receive information that is pertinent to the scope of our investigation and instead of sharing that information with the committee, would share that information with the white house. The chairman will need to decide whether he is the chairman of an independent investigation into conduct which includes allegations of potential coordination between the Trump Campaign and the russians, or hes going to act as a surrogate of the white house because he cannot do both. There is still no evidence that the president was wiretapped by his predecessor. President trumps claims that he was remain as baseless today as they were yesterday. And moments ago, congressman adam schiff making big news. I can tell you that the case is more than that, and i cant go into the particulars, but there is more than circumstantial evidence now. So, again, i think you have seen direct evidence of collusion . I dont want to go into specifics but i will say there is evidence that is not circumstantial, and is very much worthy of investigation. So that is what we ought to do. With me, arizona senator john mccain. Well, senator . Well. Yes, indeed. What an afternoon. Its just remarkable, frankly. I dont know exactly where to begin except i dont know what incident incidental could actually mean unless and that would be chairman nunes. Yeah. And unless they were monitoring the conversations of some foreign entity, i. E. , russian, and that the other names might have come up. But chairman nunes says, i saw nothing to do with russia and the Russian Investigation, yet he hops in a car and goes down to the white house without talking to the democratic chairman and briefs the president. I dont understand that and honestly i what this is now really, greta, is requirement for a select committee. I believe that theres a better relationship in the Intelligence Committee, in the senate between senator warner and senator burr, but this just shows a tremendous chasm between the two senior members of the house Intelligence Committee. Which what we need is a select committee. We know that the russians interfered with our election and they did not achieve in affecting outcome but we know that for sure. We know that there are Cyber Attacks going on all the time. There are leaks going on all the time. And so what we need to address this whole issue of what the russians did, how they did it, the impact and what we do about it. I now believe belongs in the hands of a select committee. Theres not i think so not an independent commission but you want it done on the hill. I would agree to a commission. I would probably prefer a select committee, but either one doesnt that Say Something i would be satisfied with. Isnt that why we vote people to come to washington . We voted the members of this committee to do this, and now because they cant get the job i dont mean to be disrespectful, but it sort of seems keystone coppish what happened this afternoon. You make a face, i think you might have a thought on that. Now we have to hire other people to do it because they cant do the job . Im afraid thats the conclusion i have reached and i didnt do it lightly, but, yes, it is bizarre, the things that are being said. There is no substantiation for either what chairman nunes said or is there substantiation for what congressman schiff said. He said he said the he was asked if there was direct evidence. Hes a lawyer, a former prosecutor. He said its evidence is not circumstantial. Well, that means it is direct evidence. So hes being coy. Hes playing us. After the heads of our intelligence agencies testified before congress saying there was no evidence of any wiretapping of trump towers. So here we are mixed up not only in contradictory statements, but also in what the word is. Weve been down that road. We know what that one is. Yeah. Its a bizarre situation. What so what i think, the reason why im calling for this select committee or a special committee is i think that this back and forth and what the American People have found out so far that no longer does the congress have credibility to handle this alone. And i dont say that lightly. Thats a strong statement to make about congress. But i do so far, the Senate Intelligence committee, there has been a good theres been a good working relationship between senator burr and senator warner and i think theyve done a good job. What i thought was unusual is President Trumps response. He said today, after bng briefed by congressman chairman nunes who didnt tell the democrats, raced down there to tell him and told the press before he told schiff apparently, he says when he was asked whether he was vipd ka vinds ka vindicated he said, i somewhat do, i very much appreciate what they found. Thats out of character. Usually hed say, aha, ive been telling everybody, im right. Hes usually much more bombas c bombastic. Now he has a laid back i somewhat do. I thought that was odd. Ive long ago given up trying to interpret the remarks of the president of the United States. I only Pay Attention to what he does and frankly on some of our National Security issues, hes done some good things. So what about nunes going down there . Should he have called schiff before he went down there . Im not telling any member of congress or the senate what to do, but i have found in my years in the United States Senate Working in a bipartisan fashion is the way you get the best results. And when you dont, such as the passage of obamacare on a partyline basis, and what we may be embarking on here in repeal and replace, is usually when things are done on a partisan basis, the result is not very lasting or very good. All right. You bring up the vote thats going to happen in less than 24 hours in the house. Im not sure they have the votes or not. Should it pass the house, do you think over in the senate, it will pass . I dont know because i dont know the changes that are going to be made, but i believe that in the senate, as is our responsibility, there will be amendments and there could be changes that would require a conference committee. Thats the way the congress works. You know, what i dont understand is if there are changes we have a cbo score, whether you like it or dont like it, whether you think its fair or wrong, we have a cbo score. Now if you make all these changes, doesnt that sort of throw out the cbo score and so it should get scored at least if you found this important to begin with, to getne, we should get another one with changes . But greta, the cbo scoring of obamacare at its inception was way off. Cbo over time has lost some of the credibility that it used to have. I think that the Biggest Issue here is, and there are many, but one of them is what about those states like mine that adopted Medicaid Expansion . And the effect that im hearing from my governor is very disturbing and in some ways draconian. So and your state is the worst in premiums rising i think. Yes. The interesting thing is, obamacare was completely imploding in my state and so now in the fix is also not satisfactory in my state because were Medicaid Expansion state. So, by the way, theres one theory, let the whole thing collapse then republicans and democrats will have to come together. That sound like a good idea except the people that are harmed in the process. Well thats my whole point, you know, we sort of expect everyone to act like a grownup and solve these things. You know . Its like whether its the nunes and schiff and whatever, we sort of expect something so important as health care, you know, like, fix it sort of i think most American People everyone deals with health problems. Yeah. The American People deserve better. They deserve better while we look at entitlements which are now eating up the entire budget by a certain year depending on state of the economy. Thats why our Approval Rating is 14 . Everybody looks at President Trumps Approval Rating. Look at the Approval Rating of congress. Dont look at lawyers and journalists. Ill leave that some are lawyers and congressmen. Right. Thats right. All right. North korea test fired another missile today. Everything is creeping in a bad direction. They have five nuclear tests. They keep testing missiles. They keep having threating we tried everything. Weve been nice to them, been mean to them, had sanctions, no sanctions, humanitarian aid, sixparty talks. Whats left . Not the first president to be tested. Hell be tested by the russians. Hes being tested by the iranians, hes going to be tested by the north koreans. It is unacceptable to have a missile on a rocket on the pad thats capable of reaching the United States with a nuclear weapon. And we have to do air defense systems, thaad, were placing in south korea china doesnt want the thaad air defense missiles there. They certainly dont, but the point is that china is the one that can the only one that can control kim jongun, this crazy fat kid thats running north korea. And theyre the ones they could stop north koreas economy in a week. They havent. Why . Because the chinese have to understand theres a penalty going to be paid imposed by us if they dont rein in an individual that could literally start a world war. And more importantly, perhaps in the short term, strike the United States of america. Hes not rational, greta. Were not dealing with even with someone like Joseph Stalin who had a certain rationality to his barbarity. This is incredibly serious, but the first place id go is china and say, look, you can shut down their economy. And so bring them in. Rein them in. Its in your interest to do so. And if the chinese renews to fu that we have to consider all options, isnt necessarily a world war. But the mr. Kim jongun has got to understand that there would be a huge penalty to pay if he even tried it. One last quick question. As is the senate house bill, would you vote yes or no . Are you going to vote yes or no assuming it comes over . Id have to look at what comes over, greta. Its changing all the time. I hear different statements and comments. We will go doing a remaining process here in the United States senate. I want somhing that i can vote for. s vital that we fix these system. We but we promised to repeal and replace. We didnt promise just to repeal. And thats why im sometimes a little frustrated arent you just amending obama compare . Well, it amendments can change the entire bill. I mean, there are amendments particularly on Medicaid Expansion and others that would have the effect of rewriting the bill as you know. But to do nothing, i think is the worst of all worlds particularly in my state where premiums are going up 125 . Your states getting hit the hardest. Exactly. Anyway, senator, nice to see you. Hopefully youll come back often. Thank you, greta. Still ahead, more democratic reaction to the surveillance bombshell about the trump Transition Team. Ill talk to a lawmaker who was in the room at the white house when the president said he felt somewhat vindicated. Plus, an explosive new report that trumps former Campaign Chairman once secretly worked for a russian billionaire to help putin. Well hear from the reporter who broke the story. Also is the Health Care Bill slipping away from the republicans . Well have the latest nbc vote count. Ill talk to one gop lawmaker whos a solid no and one gop law make who are is a solid yes. All that plus a live report from the scene of the london terrorist attacks. Its a huge day of breaking news. Keep it right here on msnbc. its off to work we go woman on the gulf coast, new exxonmobil projects are expected to create over 45,000 jobs. And each job created by the Energy Industry supports two others in the community. Altogether, the industry supports over 9 million jobs nationwide. These are jobs that natural gas is helping make happen, all while reducing americas emissions. Energy lives here. All while reducing americas emissions. With e trade you see things your way. You have access to the right information at the right moment. And when you filter out the noise, its easy to turn your vision into action. Its your trade. E tre. Deartheres no other way to say this. Its over. Ive found a permanent escape from monotony. Together, we are perfectly balanced, our senses awake, our hearts racing as one. I know this is sudden, but they say if you love something. Set it free. See you around, giulia the search for relief often leads here. S, today theres drugfree aleve direct therapy. A high intensity tens device that uses technology once only in doctors offices. For deep penetrating relief at the source. Aleve direct therapy. Was the president also part of that incidental collection, his communications . Yes. Let me just clarify, the president of the United States, his personal communications, were intercepted . I think we have to yeah, i think what we have its very when we talk about intelligence products, we got to be very camreful. What i know right now, it looks like incidental collection, we dont know exactly how that was picked up. But were trying to get to the bottom of it. So the president of the Communications May<\/a> have been caught up in, quote, incidental surveillance, after the election. The chairman going to the white house to share what he knew with the president , and then he talked to the press. Today i briefed the president on the concerns that i had about incidental collection and how it relates to president elect trump and his Transition Team<\/a> and the concerns that i have, as i said earlier, there will be more information hopefully by friday. The nsa is cooperating very, very well, and lastly, ill say that the reports that i was able to see did not have anything to do with russia or the Russian Investigation<\/a> tied to the trump team. With that, ill take a couple questions. Quick question, why is it appropriate for you to brief President Trump<\/a> given its his own administration or Campaign Associates<\/a> that are part of this investigation . Because what i because what i saw has nothing to do with russia and nothing to do with the Russian Investigation<\/a>. Has everything to to with possible surveillance activities and the president needs to know these intelligence reports are out there and i have a duty to tell him that. Are you looking at the answers jump to conclusions before it was completed . Im not drawing any conclusions. Im just telling the president what exists in intelligence reports. Was the subject of the surveillance it appears so. I dont want to get too much into those details but these were intelligence reports and it brings up a lot of concerns about, you know, whether things were properly minimized or not. But i will tell you, ive only spe seen some. Its in the dozens. I dont have we dont have the full scope of all the intelligence reports that were produced or who ordered the unmasking of additional names. Mr. How masked . Are you saying the surveillance it wasnt related to russia or anything like that. Are you saying that it was political surveillance or political opponents as the president suggested in his tweets . What i what ive read bothers me and i think it should bother the president , himself, and his team because i dont i think some of it seems to be inappropriate, but like i said, until we get all the information to the committee, its hard to its hard to really say until we see. What ive read seems to me to be some level of surveillance activity, perhaps legal, but i dont know that its right and i dont know that the American People<\/a> would be comfortable with what ive read, but let us get all the reports chairman, wases the president involved . Correct in what he tweeted . It is possible. Have you seen anything that suggests that president obama ordered any kind of surveillance of the president . Of the president elect . We dont know we dont know who sent the tasking, if they were changed into what went into these intelligence reports but were going to try to find that out. This is information that was brought to me that i thought the president needed to know about incidental collection where the president , himself, and others in the trump Transition Team<\/a>, were clearly put into intelligence reports that ended up at this white house and across a whole bunch of other agencies and i thought it was important for the president to know this. What did the president tell you after you briefed him about this . I think the president is concerned. And he should be. I think hed like to see these reports. And i hopefully hopefully when we get them, hopefully theyll get them to the white house also. Can you rule out the possibility that Senior Obama Administration<\/a> officials were involved in this . No, we cannot. And then after meeting with the chairman, President Trump<\/a> responded in the cabinet room. Mr. President , do you feel vindicated by chairman do you feel vindicated by chairman nunes coming over here, sir . I somewhat do, i must tell you, i somewhat do. I very much appreciated the fact that they found what they found. And then theres more. Within the last hour, the chairmans partner on the Intelligence Committee<\/a>, Ranking Member<\/a>, the democrat, congressman adam schiff, he came out and lets jt say he did nold back. I think it gravely concerning to the members of the committee that the chairman would receive information that is pertinent to the scope of our investigation and instead of sharing that information with the committee, would share that information with the white house. The chairman will need to decide whether he is the chairman of an independent investigation into conduct which includes allegations of potential coordination between the Trump Campaign<\/a> and the russians, or hes going to act as a surrogate of the white house because he cannot do both. There is still no evidence that the president was wiretapped by his predecessor. President trumps claims that he was remain as baseless today as they were yesterday. And moments ago, congressman adam schiff making big news. I can tell you that the case is more than that, and i cant go into the particulars, but there is more than circumstantial evidence now. So, again, i think you have seen direct evidence of collusion . I dont want to go into specifics but i will say there is evidence that is not circumstantial, and is very much worthy of investigation. So that is what we ought to do. With me, arizona senator john mccain. Well, senator . Well. Yes, indeed. What an afternoon. Its just remarkable, frankly. I dont know exactly where to begin except i dont know what incident incidental could actually mean unless and that would be chairman nunes. Yeah. And unless they were monitoring the conversations of some foreign entity, i. E. , russian, and that the other names might have come up. But chairman nunes says, i saw nothing to do with russia and the Russian Investigation<\/a>, yet he hops in a car and goes down to the white house without talking to the democratic chairman and briefs the president. I dont understand that and honestly i what this is now really, greta, is requirement for a select committee. I believe that theres a better relationship in the Intelligence Committee<\/a>, in the senate between senator warner and senator burr, but this just shows a tremendous chasm between the two senior members of the house Intelligence Committee<\/a>. Which what we need is a select committee. We know that the russians interfered with our election and they did not achieve in affecting outcome but we know that for sure. We know that there are Cyber Attacks<\/a> going on all the time. There are leaks going on all the time. And so what we need to address this whole issue of what the russians did, how they did it, the impact and what we do about it. I now believe belongs in the hands of a select committee. Theres not i think so not an independent commission but you want it done on the hill. I would agree to a commission. I would probably prefer a select committee, but either one doesnt that Say Something<\/a> i would be satisfied with. Isnt that why we vote people to come to washington . We voted the members of this committee to do this, and now because they cant get the job i dont mean to be disrespectful, but it sort of seems keystone coppish what happened this afternoon. You make a face, i think you might have a thought on that. Now we have to hire other people to do it because they cant do the job . Im afraid thats the conclusion i have reached and i didnt do it lightly, but, yes, it is bizarre, the things that are being said. There is no substantiation for either what chairman nunes said or is there substantiation for what congressman schiff said. He said he said the he was asked if there was direct evidence. Hes a lawyer, a former prosecutor. He said its evidence is not circumstantial. Well, that means it is direct evidence. So hes being coy. Hes playing us. After the heads of our intelligence agencies testified before congress saying there was no evidence of any wiretapping of trump towers. So here we are mixed up not only in contradictory statements, but also in what the word is. Weve been down that road. We know what that one is. Yeah. Its a bizarre situation. What so what i think, the reason why im calling for this select committee or a special committee is i think that this back and forth and what the American People<\/a> have found out so far that no longer does the congress have credibility to handle this alone. And i dont say that lightly. Thats a strong statement to make about congress. But i do so far, the Senate Intelligence<\/a> committee, there has been a good theres been a good working relationship between senator burr and senator warner and i think theyve done a good job. What i thought was unusual is President Trump<\/a>s response. He said today, after bng briefed by congressman chairman nunes who didnt tell the democrats, raced down there to tell him and told the press before he told schiff apparently, he says when he was asked whether he was vipd ka vinds ka vindicated he said, i somewhat do, i very much appreciate what they found. Thats out of character. Usually hed say, aha, ive been telling everybody, im right. Hes usually much more bombas c bombastic. Now he has a laid back i somewhat do. I thought that was odd. Ive long ago given up trying to interpret the remarks of the president of the United States<\/a>. I only Pay Attention<\/a> to what he does and frankly on some of our National Security<\/a> issues, hes done some good things. So what about nunes going down there . Should he have called schiff before he went down there . Im not telling any member of congress or the senate what to do, but i have found in my years in the United States<\/a> Senate Working<\/a> in a bipartisan fashion is the way you get the best results. And when you dont, such as the passage of obamacare on a partyline basis, and what we may be embarking on here in repeal and replace, is usually when things are done on a partisan basis, the result is not very lasting or very good. All right. You bring up the vote thats going to happen in less than 24 hours in the house. Im not sure they have the votes or not. Should it pass the house, do you think over in the senate, it will pass . I dont know because i dont know the changes that are going to be made, but i believe that in the senate, as is our responsibility, there will be amendments and there could be changes that would require a conference committee. Thats the way the congress works. You know, what i dont understand is if there are changes we have a cbo score, whether you like it or dont like it, whether you think its fair or wrong, we have a cbo score. Now if you make all these changes, doesnt that sort of throw out the cbo score and so it should get scored at least if you found this important to begin with, to getne, we should get another one with changes . But greta, the cbo scoring of obamacare at its inception was way off. Cbo over time has lost some of the credibility that it used to have. I think that the Biggest Issue<\/a> here is, and there are many, but one of them is what about those states like mine that adopted Medicaid Expansion<\/a> . And the effect that im hearing from my governor is very disturbing and in some ways draconian. So and your state is the worst in premiums rising i think. Yes. The interesting thing is, obamacare was completely imploding in my state and so now in the fix is also not satisfactory in my state because were Medicaid Expansion<\/a> state. So, by the way, theres one theory, let the whole thing collapse then republicans and democrats will have to come together. That sound like a good idea except the people that are harmed in the process. Well thats my whole point, you know, we sort of expect everyone to act like a grownup and solve these things. You know . Its like whether its the nunes and schiff and whatever, we sort of expect something so important as health care, you know, like, fix it sort of i think most American People<\/a> everyone deals with health problems. Yeah. The American People<\/a> deserve better. They deserve better while we look at entitlements which are now eating up the entire budget by a certain year depending on state of the economy. Thats why our Approval Rating<\/a> is 14 . Everybody looks at President Trump<\/a>s Approval Rating<\/a>. Look at the Approval Rating<\/a> of congress. Dont look at lawyers and journalists. Ill leave that some are lawyers and congressmen. Right. Thats right. All right. North korea test fired another missile today. Everything is creeping in a bad direction. They have five nuclear tests. They keep testing missiles. They keep having threating we tried everything. Weve been nice to them, been mean to them, had sanctions, no sanctions, humanitarian aid, sixparty talks. Whats left . Not the first president to be tested. Hell be tested by the russians. Hes being tested by the iranians, hes going to be tested by the north koreans. It is unacceptable to have a missile on a rocket on the pad thats capable of reaching the United States<\/a> with a nuclear weapon. And we have to do air defense systems, thaad, were placing in south korea china doesnt want the thaad air defense missiles there. They certainly dont, but the point is that china is the one that can the only one that can control kim jongun, this crazy fat kid thats running north korea. And theyre the ones they could stop north koreas economy in a week. They havent. Why . Because the chinese have to understand theres a penalty going to be paid imposed by us if they dont rein in an individual that could literally start a world war. And more importantly, perhaps in the short term, strike the United States<\/a> of america. Hes not rational, greta. Were not dealing with even with someone like Joseph Stalin<\/a> who had a certain rationality to his barbarity. This is incredibly serious, but the first place id go is china and say, look, you can shut down their economy. And so bring them in. Rein them in. Its in your interest to do so. And if the chinese renews to fu that we have to consider all options, isnt necessarily a world war. But the mr. Kim jongun has got to understand that there would be a huge penalty to pay if he even tried it. One last quick question. As is the senate house bill, would you vote yes or no . Are you going to vote yes or no assuming it comes over . Id have to look at what comes over, greta. Its changing all the time. I hear different statements and comments. We will go doing a remaining process here in the United States<\/a> senate. I want somhing that i can vote for. s vital that we fix these system. We but we promised to repeal and replace. We didnt promise just to repeal. And thats why im sometimes a little frustrated arent you just amending obama compare . Well, it amendments can change the entire bill. I mean, there are amendments particularly on Medicaid Expansion<\/a> and others that would have the effect of rewriting the bill as you know. But to do nothing, i think is the worst of all worlds particularly in my state where premiums are going up 125 . Your states getting hit the hardest. Exactly. Anyway, senator, nice to see you. Hopefully youll come back often. Thank you, greta. Still ahead, more democratic reaction to the surveillance bombshell about the trump Transition Team<\/a>. Ill talk to a lawmaker who was in the room at the white house when the president said he felt somewhat vindicated. Plus, an explosive new report that trumps former Campaign Chairman<\/a> once secretly worked for a russian billionaire to help putin. Well hear from the reporter who broke the story. Also is the Health Care Bill<\/a> slipping away from the republicans . Well have the latest nbc vote count. Ill talk to one gop lawmaker whos a solid no and one gop law make who are is a solid yes. All that plus a live report from the scene of the london terrorist attacks. Its a huge day of breaking news. Keep it right here on msnbc. its off to work we go woman on the gulf coast, new exxonmobil projects are expected to create over 45,000 jobs. And each job created by the Energy Industry<\/a> supports two others in the community. Altogether, the industry supports over 9 million jobs nationwide. These are jobs that natural gas is helping make happen, all while reducing americas emissions. Energy lives here. All while reducing americas emissions. With e trade you see things your way. You have access to the right information at the right moment. And when you filter out the noise, its easy to turn your vision into action. Its your trade. E tre. Deartheres no other way to say this. Its over. Ive found a permanent escape from monotony. Together, we are perfectly balanced, our senses awake, our hearts racing as one. I know this is sudden, but they say if you love something. Set it free. See you around, giulia the search for relief often leads here. S, today theres drugfree aleve direct therapy. A high intensity tens device that uses technology once only in doctors offices. For deep penetrating relief at the source. Aleve direct therapy. Was the president also part of that incidental collection, his communications . Yes. Let me just clarify, the president of the United States<\/a>, his personal communications, were intercepted . I think we have to yeah, i think what we have its very when we talk about intelligence products, we got to be very camreful. What i know right now, it looks like incidental collection, we dont know exactly how that was picked up. But were trying to get to the bottom of it. So the president of the United States<\/a>, his personal communications were collected in incidental collection. Not in specific targeted collection. Its possible. We wont know until we get the information on friday, and thats why look, i think the nsa is going to comply. You know, i am concerned we dont know whether or not the fbi is going to comply. House intelligence chairman devin nunes telling nbcs kasie hunt President Trump<\/a>s communication were picked up as part of an incidental collection. Im joined by congresswoman karen bass, democrat from the great state of california. She serves on the House Foreign Affairs<\/a> and judiciary committees and today she was in the room at the white house when President Trump<\/a> said he felt somewhat vindicated. Nice so see you, congresswoman. Thank you. Thanks for having me on. If this werent so serious, id say you cant make this stuff up. I agree. Tell me what happened. Youre in the room, tell me what the president said besides somewhat vindicated. First of all, i was there with the leadership of the Congressional Black Caucus<\/a> to meet with the president and when they did the photo spray, when all of the reporters come in at the top of our meeting, one person shouted out and asked, did he feel vindicated . He said, yes. And thats the sum total of it. I do have to say, though, that it really just raises the question, to me, of the credible credibility of the chair. I dont understand how chairman nunes can be in the center of an investigation of this issue and it just raises the question as to why we need an independent investigation. At this point, it needs to be bipartisan but i frankly think it needs to be outside of congress. We know that chairman nunes was a surrogate during the campaign. He was a part of the Transition Team<\/a>. And i think he needs to figure out what is his role now. Is he going to continue to be a surrogate for the president . Or is he going to be the chairman of the Intelligence Committee<\/a> . I think if you went back to the last congress and talked to congressman mike rogers who is chairman of the house intel, and the vice the Ranking Member<\/a>, they would tell you how they prided themselves in how much they worked together and the one commtee,he Intelligence Committee<\/a> that was able toork together. Now we see it i mean, it appears to be almost imploding. If it is as we think, the chairman nunes went down to the white house without even talking to the exactly. Ranking member. I mean, i dont know how in the world we can expect, you know, any of this to work well at this point. You know, i think he broke the bond, and i frankly think it raises the issue, maybe he should step down as chairman because i dont know how they can Work Together<\/a> anymore. I mean, i dont know how the Ranking Member<\/a> could trust him for him to go out and take information to the press and to the white house before he even talks to them. I dont know how they would have a bond any longer. Did the president go back to when he met with the Congressional Black Caucus<\/a>, did he go back to any discussion of this . Because what struck me as unusual is the president s statement was sort of low key, like he felt somewhat vindicated. And i usually think of him as sort of a more bombastic person, like, you know, see, i told you i was right. Well, i hope i hope he recognizes that to have gone through that issue would have been completely inappropriate with our meeting. That was not what we were there to talk about. It was a photo at the top of the meeting. We were there to talk about and our theme was when he said, what do you have to lose in the campaign, when he made that statement to the africanamerican community, we were there to show him exactly what we have to lose. And frankly, were very concerned about budget that hes presented. Were very concerned about the statements he made about the africanamerican population. And so we went there to clarify with him and to also present him solutions in a number of different categories. Did he listen . Did it seem like it was a fruitful meeting, that he listened . I do think he listened. I think a lot of what we told him, he was very surprised by. So clearly he doesnt have the exposure and the knowledge of the africanamerican community, but therein lies the reason why you relate with the with the Congressional Black Caucus<\/a>. You know, theres 49 members of congress. We represent over 70 million people. We are subject experts in a lot of different areas of policy and we were there to share that with him. And so, you know, we will see. We raised a number of different issues, but it would have been really inappropriate to have talked about nunes in the middle of our meeting. Well, congresswoman, thank you very much for joining us. Such a big day for the Congressional Black Caucus<\/a> and also on this other issue. Thank withdrew fyou for joining thanks for having me on. With me, former assistant fbi director, ron haskell, nice to see you. Chairman nunes said theyre going to get more information on friday but he said something to the effect, im paraphrasing, he expected cooperation from the nsa. Youre former fbi, but he sort of said he didnt think hes going to get that from the fbi, at least thats what i took from him. Well, it could be that the fbi doesnt have anything to release to them that is in support of what hes asking about. It could be this collection that the chairman was referring to, incidental collection is nsa collection under their 702 authority. I took that if thats true, he could have said that. Instead, he acted like the fbis not cooperating. I mean, thats what i took away. Am i wrong . W be very surprised by that because jim comey, having worked with him, having him talk about the value and the importance of congressional oversight, jim comey recognizes the awesome power held by the fbi and what abuse of that power would mean for the fbi. So i think he takes that very seriously. I do not see him intentionally resisting or pushing to the side what did you take away from how nunes treated the fbi when he said that the nsa looks like theyre going to cooperate . I realize im paraphrasing, but the fbi not so i mean, i sort of thought that was a slap at the fbi. Right. And it could have been. Maybe it wasnt, but thats what i thought. Right. Of course, most of what the fbi does is going to have to get passed upon by doj. Theres another layer of review there. I would be astounded if jim comey were to push back in any material way other than a totally lawful manner. What do you make of what happened today with nunes going down there . You know, aisle troubim troe whole thing. I will say as i did to you briefly ago, i agree with senator mccain. There the term, bipartisan agreement is an oxymoron in this city. I dont see any way where we, the taxpayer, we, the public, can get to an understanding of the facts, unbiased understanding, with this sort of bipartisan bicker going on. The irony is that because they dont do their jobs, we elect them to solve this problem, to find out what this investigation is. We now have to go out and hire separate people who we didnt elect and we have to, i assume, compensate them, at least certainly their travel, because they cant do their job. We have to get a second congress. It is despicable. And its a microcosm of the tax and the budgetary situation that were in in america. Incredible. Anyway, thank you. Nice to see you. My pleasure. 24 hours until Republican Leaders<\/a> say they will pass their health care plan. Does speaker ryan have the votes . Were going to be joined by one republican whos a solid no and one republican whos a solid yes. Straight ahead. Plus what work did President Trump<\/a>s former Campaign Chair<\/a> allegedly do for a russian billionaire and why . We have one of the reporters who broke that story. I never miss an Early Morning<\/a> market. But with my back pain i couldnt sleep or get up in time. Then i found aleve pm. The only one to combine a sleep aid plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. And now. Im back aleve pm for a better am. I own my own company. I had some severe fatigue, some funny rashes. Finally, listening to my wife, went to a doctor. And i became diagnosed with hodgkins lymphoma. That diagnosis was tough. I had to put my trust in somebody. When i first met steve, we recommended chemotherapy, and then we did high dose therapy and then autologous stem cell transplant. 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This we know, republicans can only afford to lose 22 votes. The last count, nbc news confirmed 28 republicans plan to vote no. Now,s thats really bad news for the bill. With me, congressman michael burgess, republican of texas, and a doctor who serves on the House Rules Committee<\/a> and supports the house Health Care Bill<\/a>. Nice to see you, sir. Good evening, greta, how are you . Good. So what are you going too t get the other i guess you have is toet six more to vote yes. Right now my job is to thauc thank you for giving me a break from the rules committee. Its been a long day. I appreciate the diversion. Well be back in rules committee until later on tonight. Weve got a number of amendments yet to be heard. Both republican and democratic amendments. And indeed, we will hear all of those. My understanding is a revised cbo score is due almost any minute now in the rules committee, which we should have before we vote this thing out of the rules committee this evening. So its a big deal. Look, you know one of the things ive said since seven years ago, when president obama signed this thing into law, it will never work and its going to be a disaster. I think you heard from senator mccain at the top of the show how big of a disaster it is in his state. It is not quite as bad in texas, still premiums went up 28 this year. Only got two insurers in my market, one of them no one has ever seen before, so essentially down to one Insurance Company<\/a> in the area i represent. Even more than that, people have insurance, but it is insurance that they cant use because their premiums and deductibles are so high, the out of pocket expenses are so high. The bottom line is, obamacare is a failed experiment. Its not an open question any longer and it needs to be it needs to be replaced. Thats what were about doing this evening. All right. So in the rules committee, you can do these amendments and thats sort of what this persuading some of those on the fence, is that the purpose . Well, the rules committee always hears from any member who files an amendment and wants to be heard. Thats part of what we do. Thats our job. Theres no clock in the rules committee. Time is suspended. And we just work as long as anyone wants to wants to talk about their issue and we talked all day to the principals, to the chairmen and ranking membe s s of the three committees involved, ways means, energy and commerce. I serve on the energy and mmerce committee. We had a 27 hr maup a couple weeks ago. This is somethinghat h been examined and talked about by members on both sides of the political aisle. And it is something that has been, in my opinion, completely heard by all sides. All right. The big news will be tomorrow night. Do you have any idea what time the vote is supposed to start . Any idea . No, no, no. Thats those are all leadership decisions. I will say this, i mean, part of this is a big deal. I understand it is. Well be watching. Were twings kbo igoing to be w. Believe me. 800 billion revision to medicaid spending. Were a country thats 20 trillion in debt. We really have to do something. The obamacare, itself, is not working. The individual mandate, my opinion, has been a failure. And were going to undo that. And with that, well all be watching. Thank you, congressman, for joining us. Thank you, sir. Go back to the rules committee. Now your break is over. Thank you. Up ahead, ill talk to a House Republican<\/a> whos planning to vote against the Health Care Bill<\/a>. And a new report on alleged links between President Trump<\/a>s former Campaign Chair<\/a> and a russian billionaire. Ill talk to the reporter who broke the story. Per roll bounty is more absorbent, so the roll can last 50 longer than the leading ordinary brand. So you get more life per roll. Bounty, the quicker picker upper because its here. Cue the confetti. Say hi to xiidra, lifitegrast ophthalmic solution. Xiidra is the first prescription eye drop solution approved to treat the signs and symptoms of dry eye. So give your eye doctor a ring, and your eyes just might thank you. One drop in each eye, twice a day. The most common side effects of xiidra include eye irritation, discomfort or blurred vision when the drops are applied to the eyes, and unusual taste sensation. To help avoid eye injury or contamination ofhe solution, do not touch the container tip to your eye or any surface. If you wear contact lenses, remove them before using xiidra and wait for at least 15 minutes before placing them back in your eyes. Are you ready to do something about your dry eyes . Talk to your doctor about xiidra. Do you think paul ryan is going to push this bill tomorrow . Is that your sense . I dont know paul you need to talk to the speaker about that. Is that what you want him to do . We believe we need to postpone the vote and get it right. There are more than enough Freedom Caucus<\/a> members to be against this to keep it from passing tomorrow. Well, we have breaking news. Moments ago the house Freedom Caucus<\/a>, many of them voting no on the gop Health Care Bill<\/a>, making another trip to the white house tomorrow. Invited by the president. Now, this could mean republicans are starting to get nervous that they do not have the votes to push this repeal bill through. With me, congressman ted yojo, member of the house Freedom Caucus<\/a>, plans to vote no on the gop Health Care Bill<\/a>. Nice to see you, sir. Nice to see you, greta, appreciate you having me on. Appreciate you being here. Are you going to make the 16block trek to the white house tomorrow to talk to the president . If needed, yes. Well, he invited all of you. I assume that youll go. Is there anything he could say to you to get you from a no to a yes . Yeah, greta, i mean, come on, we all ran on repealing and replacing the Affordable Care<\/a> act. Donald trump ran on repealing and replacing it. I know deep in his heart, he wa wants to do this. I truly feel this is not getting rid of the Affordable Care<\/a> act. Its leaving a skeleton. Theres some great reforms in there. I commend our leadership for moving down the path they have with the open negotiations but this is going to leave a skeleton for the Affordable Care<\/a> act that the future congress, you know, in 2018, there will be a new congress in here, and theres no telling what will happen and if we dont repeal this, we didnt live up to the promise and the commitment that not only us, but donald trump made to the American People<\/a>. And im standing bit firm inin obviously youre going to be a no as of tomorrow. The republicans need to pick up probably six more votes, yes, in order to have this pass. Do any of the people you know tonight who are going to vote no, are they wobbly on this . Ive not found anybody wobbly on it. In fact, i just saw two members that arent part of the Freedom Caucus<\/a> and theyre no on this. And i know theres many more out there like that. This is too important for us not to have a vote. I dont think i agree that we probably ought to postpone this vote. Theres no shame in that. I think what youre doing is youre crafting a better bill that will meet those requirements that we all ran on that we all want. And bottom line is, everybody wants this Health Care Bill<\/a> fixed and repealed. I talked to a democrat today that says i cant believe you guys are bringing up this bill. This is a bad bill. This is worse than the bill we had. You want to out that democrat . Whats that . You want to name that democrat . No, i dont want to do that. All right. Tell me i wont ask you again. All right. Tell me, what kind of arm twisting have you received a phone call from the speaker, from the House Majority<\/a> leader or the whip . I mean, are you getting calls to, you know, a lot of arm twisting . Yeah. What do they say . What do they stay to you . They just want to know what will get you to yes. I think the biggest thing for me, we introduced a bill called hold harmless the Insurance Companies<\/a> that would maintain preexisting conditions and allowing kids to stay on their Parents Health<\/a> plan until the age of 26. But yet it frees up the Insurance Market<\/a> so the Insurance Companies<\/a> can create plans now and Start Marketing<\/a> them until 2018. This i essentialo drive the costs of insurance down. If we go down this path thats presented to us now, Insurance Premium<\/a>s will go up and theyre going to go up right at november right at the election time in november of 2018. When people are filling out their ballots, theyre going to have their Insurance Premium<\/a> there. And theyre going to wonder why in the heck their premiums went up 25 to 40 . And this is a nowin situation. So, again, i know the people on the republican side and most of the democrats Want Health Care<\/a> fixed. The current bill is a disaster. The Affordable Care<\/a> act. This is getting closer to doing what we want, but were not there yet. I have complete faith in our leadership that theyre going to work with donald trump and well come together and fix this. Congressman, thanks for joining us. Well be watching tomorrow. Thank you, sir. I appreciate it. Have a great dminight. New details from a report that Donald Trumps<\/a> former Campaign Manager<\/a> allegedly earned millions from a russian billionaire. And what looks like a terror attack outside the gates of parliament in london. Well go live to the scene ahead. You have access to the right information at the right moment. 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Trump, you, or your campaign, and putin and his regime . No, there are not. Thats absurd. And, you know, theres no base to it. And today, White House Press<\/a> Secretary Sean Spicer<\/a> responded to the report. He was a consultant. He had clients from around the world. There is no suggestion that he did anything improper or but to suggest that the president knewho his clits were from a decade ago is a bit insane. There is not hes not a government employee. He didnt fill out any paperwork attesting to something. Theres nothing that he did that suggested at this point that anything was nefarious. He was hired into a job. He did it. Thats it. Plain and simple. Paul manafort telling nbc news, i worked with Oleg Deripaska<\/a> almost a decade ago representing limb on business and personal matters in countries where he had investments. My work with mr. Deripaska did not involve representing russian political interests. All this days after a yukrainia lawmakers released documents showing he received off the book payment from the president whos now living in russia. Today i asked that lawmaker lachenko about the documents in question. This is the document which legalized payment from manafort and this is the document which we can prove the payment. We have handwritten transaction. Its not a transaction. Saying 750,000 was paid to manafort by yanakovych. This is a payment and transactions was done to the accounts in virginia. This is a how, he go ahead, sir. This is the company, the account, and this is Paul Manaforts<\/a> company with his signature. Now Paul Manafort<\/a> said the ledger is a forgery and accused lachenko of trying to blackmail him. Joining me, reported with the Associated Press<\/a> investigative am who broke the story on manafort today. Nice to see you. Nice to see you, thanks. Do we know if theres two sets of documents or documents supposedly a contract found in the face then the ledger. Do we know if these are authentic . So the documents coming out of ukraine have actually come under some scrutiny and i will tell you that we, you know, we have not independently authenticated those documents and thats something that i think authorities there are trying to do right now. All right. All right. So, of course, manafort denied all this. What do the documents purport to show . So the documents we have, the documents we reviewed and corroborated with other sources, they show that in 2005, Paul Manafort<\/a> in his own words pitched a memo to Oleg Deripaska<\/a>, Russian Oligarch<\/a> close to putin, basically said im going to take this lobbying and political influence campaign that i used in ukraine, and i think that this could work very well in other soviet republics to benefit the putin government. Is there anything wrong with that . You know, thats a good question. And i think that, you know, at the time, it depends on some of the legality on what he was doing in washington at the time. Theres obviously the Foreign Agent<\/a> registration act which is something that would he would have had to disclosed this work if he was actively doing this in washington. If he were lobbying for russia in the United States<\/a>, assuming this is a Foreign Government<\/a> hes lobbying for, that the billionaire in russia are the same . Well, so thats actually part of what needs do be looked at i think. Thats kind of an open question at this point. You know, Foreign Agent<\/a> registration act basically says if you have if youre advancing the interests of a Foreign Government<\/a> or working on their behalf, then you have to regist register. At this point i think thats an open question. Something were still trying to gather answers on. One of the things i thought was me kpeculiar, but that hesd 750,000, its like for computer equipment. Well, i think were talking about two different sets of documents. Okay. The documents weve looked at and authenticated from different sources dont detail whats the ledger that this man showed us on the air, a ledger . I mean, he said he showed us a contract . Uhhuh. And a ledger. And according to the two, the same day the contract was signed, 750,000 went to manafort, if you believe this document and had something to do with computer equipment. Right. I think what theyre trying to say with that, i want to make sure we differentiate our reporting with their reporting. Or whats going on in ukraine right now thats been released. I think that theyre saying that this is some kind of proof of some type of offshore account or money transaction of some type that they believe to be corrupt. That is not something that weve reported. Not something that the a. P. Can corroborate. We dont know it thats true or not. Thats right. What kind of work did man manafort do . The work he did, going back to our reporting, in 2006, there was a signed contract that head with Oleg Deripaska<\/a>. He acknowledged and confirmed he worked with deripaska for a number of years. Mr. Manafort said it was for his personal and business interests at the time but when you read through the documents, he was pitching a largescalpolical influence campaign he specifically said could be used to tailor for benefiting the putin government. All right. What did the oligarch do for a living . Is he close to putin . Made his money in the aluminum business, aluminum magnate. Hes close to putin according to cables released by wikileaks. State Department Cable<\/a> from 2006 actually says that hes one of the fop ttop two or three peopl closest to putin and routinely travels with him. All right. One thing we know, its an early investigation. Weve done unbelievable research, investigative, but we dont know if anythings been done wrong. Lets make that clear. We just dont know. Theres certainly enough information there worth going on. Right. I think the significance of this is that with these congressional investigations going on right now, with there being questions about what are the ties to the Trump Campaign<\/a> has to russia, this is one more piece in the puzzle that were trying to put together for people who have that question. Trying to answer that question. Very helpful fif a lot of people would come forward and talk including mr. Manafort. Absolutely. Thank you very much. Come back when you have more. I will. Next, live to london with an update on the suspected terror attack. The death toll is rising tonight. Thats next. With advil, youll ask what sinus headache . What stiff joints . What time of the month cramps . What nighttime pain . Make all your pains a distant memory with advil the worlds 1 choice what pain . 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At least 10, 12 bodies. In different places along the bridge. It was horrendous. Absolutely horrendous. Nbcs matt bradley is in london. Matt . Reporter greta, thats right. We just we just heard from the deputy the acting Deputy Police<\/a> commissioner, he had a press conference where he ramped up the casualty numbers. He said instead of four people, its actually five people had been killed. That number includes the actual the assailant who was shot dead by police and a Police Officer<\/a> who the assailant either stabbed or beat to death in front of parliament. And then there were three other civilians who were killed either around the Parliament Area<\/a> or on the brge. Now, t way this all went down at around 2 30 p. M. , this assailant drove a fourbyfour vehicle, across westminster bridge, from south london right to north london adjoining the Parliament Building<\/a>. He ran into a crowd of people then managed to disembark from his car and charge into the Parliament Building<\/a>. Thats where he either stabbed or bludgeoned to death this british Police Officer<\/a> then left that man and started to run into the Parliament Building<\/a> and thats when he was gunned down by the other members of the police who were guarding the Parliament Building<\/a>. As the police just said, there were 40 people who are now in hospital and were still waiting to hear more about the actual identity of the attacker and exactly what motivated him. Greta . Matt, thank you. Thank you for watching. See you back here tomorrow night 6 00 p. M. Eastern. Up next, hard swrn baball with matthews. Taps. Lets play hardball. Good evening. Im Chris Matthews<\/a> in washington. President trump is still working to escape his tweets that president Obama Wiretapped<\/a> him during the campaign. Today, a junior ally, House Republican<\/a> devin nunes, said he has access to information showing trump or some of his people were picked up in the transition period through surveillance of someone else. 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