Blocking the government from enforcing it. That is the ruling that the administration said it will appeal. What the judge said here is if i dont block it and it is later found to be illegal, then all of the people will have come forward and getting the benefits and risk deportation because dhs will have all of their information. That is him expressing the view that some advocates have expressed. The judge said the government has gone beyond its statutory authority. It is one thing to not enforce the Immigration Laws and another thing to affirmatively give to the people here illegally certain benefits lieshl Social Security numbers and work permits. Government will appeal this to the fifth court of appeals and if the fifth circuit turns them down they will go to the supreme court. And jeh johnson the secretary of Homeland Security, bir with me bear with me has just said i dont like this ruling and i recognize we will have to comply with it so we will not begin the request for the expansion you have it up here, for applications under this program tomorrow and suspend the plan to request the further requests for it until this is worked out legally. And the two groups that are at issue here are those who are 30 years of over or who came to the u. S. As children undocumented and also the parents of who may be undocumented or are children of parents. And let me ask you about the standing and after read being it that the administration is going back and arguing. Do the states have challenge the president s right to enforce Immigration Law in the way the administration sees fit. Can you talk about that question because the states are saying we have to provide services so we have standing . Is there a legitimate question that has been litigated before. There is a big question about this and the judge devotes half of his opinion today to that issue, saying the states do have a standing. That is to say the legal right to come into court. What the federal courts have said is you cant sue unless you have a direct injury a government policy affects you directly concrete and particularized is the phrase the government uses. The states say we bear the burden of all of these new immigrants coming here and we have to license them and a magnet that draws more people across the border. And the counter is that immigration has been a federal responsibility and that it is really not for the state this is not for a state not a state issue. Pete williams thanks very much. You bet. Now to the ongoing white house strategy against isis. Today a threeday conference on terrorism begins in snowbound washington, d. C. The International Conference comes after the egypt military pounded and libya pounded them overnight. And the thinking they might expand beyond iraq. They showed the beheading of 21 individuals that were christians. The pope said the blood of our Christian Brothers is a witness that cries out. Luke russert joins me live from the white house. So i understand this conference is moving forward even though washington is snowbound. What are we expecting out of this conference today, luke. Reporter hey there, joy. This is a threeday conference the white house has set up to try and figure out what the root causes are of homegrown extremism and what can be done through government policy to try and prohibit that. It also has a larger focus on terrorism and the ongoing war against crisis. Day one is focused on domestic issues. What i mentioned, how do you reach the people marginalized in the United States, feeling they need to go to a extremist cause to feel an identity and Law Enforcement has had a great difficulty and identifying that today. And they will hear leaders across the spectrum that deal with National Security and specifically that prohibiting terrorism and third it is more of a day of International Significance from hearing the people who work in that field. President obama is expected to speak tomorrow, joy, as well as on thursday. And one last thing, nothing happens here at the white house without controversy. The it was said today that the white house is not going after radical islam. And the white house said we are trying to get terrorists no matter where they come from. And there is always political controversy no matter where it comes from. Luke russert, stay warm. Take care. And after a free speech conference on the weekend, and a friend of the suspect said he created a Facebook Page that created a pledge of allegiance to isis prior to the attack. Kelly is following it in denmark. Reporter joy, were getting a contradictory picture of this man, born in denmark to palestinian parents. His friends say he was a normal guy, goodhearted, loyal to his friends. But there is another picture of him emerging a man with a criminal past with ties to gangs. He was reportedly in prison for 15 months for stabbing a man on a commuter train in the leg. And during that time it is believed that he may have been tending toward radicalization. Now interestingly, a reporter who covered one of his Court Appearances said he didnt appear to be political. He was shaved and pock marked and he said not religious, no quite the opposite. At some point in prison that seems to be changed. Prison officials were concerned enough to raise the alarm to Intelligence Services to submit a report in september of 2014 saying he may be becoming radicalized. He was released from prison just two weeks ago. Security services said they were aware of this report from the prison officials and he was on their radar. But there was no indication whatsoever that he was planning any sort of attack. Joy . Nbcs coley kobe a reporting in copenhagen. 1700 people are under winter storm warnings. Washington, d. C. Is in the middle of it. Getting up to 17 inches of snow. And canceling several events including events for Ashton Carter. But some getting into a massive snow ball fight. What is the strategy right now . To try to make as many snow balls as possible. This is a little bit out of place in a snow ball fight. Im not the winter soldier, but i do what i can. Lets go get them. In the south, they are dealing with brutal road conditions. Look at this video our affiliate got close to action when an suv spun out of control and stopped inches from the camera. As for air travel, over 1,000 flights have been canceled and over 1,000 delays. And insult added to injury 95. 7 inches of snow have been dumbed on the city of boston and it wont let up. Climate change. And let get to adam riese live in boston. How are things looking in that city . Reporter joy, good afternoon to you. Were here at one of five snow farms in boston. Were here in south boston where they are just trying to keep up with relentless snowfall. One truck after another coming in here. The real number is 30. 30 more days until the subway system is fully operational. On top of 30 days where weve had intermittent service. The mayor is asking people to remain patient and calm. But people are frustrated. They are upset. People are having trouble getting to work. People are waiting on subway platforms for two hours and buses. It is creating a problem. They are asking for people to help digout subway lines and asking Prison Inmates and asking people to take 30 an hour to shovel off the third rail. So that is what they are dealing with here in boston. More and more snow coming in here, one right after the next doing everything they can to keep it up and melt it. Joy. Looks like a mountain. Adam riese thank you. Coming up well discuss the fallout from texas judges injunction against the president s executive actions on immigration just as millions of immigrants were about to get relief. But first the vicious cruelty of the Islamic State attacks go beyond the capture of large swaths of lands to establish a socalled caliphate. So what else do they want besides mayhem . Mama sherman and the legion of super fans never fail to get Richard Sherman his campbells chunky chicken noodle soup. Mmmm. Looks good. Hahaha chunky chicken noodle now tastes even better welcome to the most social car weve ever designed. The allnew nissan murano. Nissan. Innovation that excites. Know your Financial Plan wont keep you up at night. Know you have insights from Top Investment strategists to help set your mind at ease. Know that planning for retirement can be the least of your worries. With the guidance of a pnc investments financial advisor, know you can get help staying on track for the future youve always wanted. Two new poll this is week put Public Opinion at odds with president obamas strategy to defeat isis. Krns poll showed 57 disapprove of how the president is handling the threat and while nbc polls shows a grab that is narrower and still puts the white house under water. The polls come as an expansive new piece in the atlantic magazine calls for a new strategy based on a careful reading of isis and what the authors say during the medieval vision of the war with the middle east. They say the armies of rome will mass to meet the armies of islam in Northern Syria whose defeat will initiate the count down to the apocalypse. And the atlantic say they are doing p. R. For isis. Michael sheehan is a terrorism expert and a distinguished fellow at combatting Terrorism Center at west point. And fillas kuragi from the london science. And ill start with the atlantic piece that seems to imply that isis motive is an apommo liptic one and they want to create this war with the west. Is that accurate or more accurate to say they are an oldfashioned Group Seeking territory and power . Actually it is a false thesis because there is a big difference conceptually between the socalled Islamic State and al qaeda central. While al qaeda targeted the far ep emmy meaning the United States and european allies until june 2014 the target of the socalled isis or Islamic State was basically arab and muslim sectarian based regimes in iraq and syria and a major concept youll difference even though since june 2014 this particular distinction between the far enemy, the United States and the allies and the near enemy has been blurred. Now isis or the socalled Islamic State is waging war against both the near enemy, meaning arab and muslim rulers and the western powers because the United States now has a particular leading an International Coalition against the so call the Islamic State. One particular point here is that the there is no difference no difference whatsoever about the ideological war view about the islamic central and albaghdadi. The ultimate utopian vision of both groups is to establish the caliphate, anchored in the islamic law. This is the utopian vision you might say the ideal vision. The only difference between al qaeda central and the Islamic State is that the Islamic State is that albaghdadi has declared himself the strauk state but the difference is to misread the entire basically strategy and ideology and tactics of the socalled Islamic State since establishment in the last two years or so. And that is fascinating. And michael to pick on what he is talking about, the near enemy and the far enemy and the differences in al qaeda and the differences is the Islamic State has been far more successful in establishing itself and rooting itself into a broader territory. We knew about the parts of syria and iraq and they have taken over like mosul and iraq and now they are establishing in places like libya where there were other territory groups the west was worried about. This is worrisome, is it not, that this group is as an army is fairly successful in holding actual territory more than al qaeda has . That is right. Al qaeda did hold territory with the taliban prior to 9 11 that a great sanctuary in afghanistan, and that was destroyed after 9 11 and since then they havent had much territory. And isis yes, they are looking to gain control of territory and establish that caliphate where they are right now in the leavant in iraq and syria and reaching out to other groups that are trying to get land like boko haram and others in north africa to establish links to try to grow the organization and make it bigger and more intimidating. And so then in terms of how one would fight back against a group like that that is as you said fighting in two fronts versus the west and against the governments that it sees as nonislamicic. Marie harf is getting attention on how you fight isis and when. Listen to this. We are killing a lot of them and were going to keep killing them. And so are jordans and egypt. We cannot kill our way out of this. We need to go after the root causes that leads people to join these groups. And ill throw this question to each of you. But this goes to the gut feeling of a lot of americans that there is something other than just wiping isis off of the map but there is other social things that need to be done within the societies and i will say that just the reactions from jordanians after their pilot was killed was viscerally the same way, you cant just go in and wipe isis out there is something oeshl we should Something Else we should be doing socially. Let me go further and even if we defeat isis and we will, it is a matter of time. You have to discredit this ideology itself unless you bury it once and for all. Or another group will come about. And you need to defeat it from within. Defeat Arab Government and ideology and defeat the social oxygen. The fact is the reason why i mean the question is why has isis been able much more successfully more than the al qaeda central. The simple answer and i challenge anyone to defy this particular answer it has blended it selfwith local communities and it has been able to portray itself as the defender, the persecutor of sunnis in iraq and syria. That is its home base. It says we are defending the authentic sunni communities. And how do you defeat it . You defeat it in other places that isis is their enemy, not the defender and trying to dislodge isis from the local community that it has been able to find home there. And michael sheehan, to you, is isis cutting off its own oxygen by so brutally and publicly and salaciously killing fellow sunni muslims like they did to the jordanian pilot and like they just did, even though they were not muslims, they were arabs they killed in egypt, is isis in a way doing its itself in with these populations by the brutality it is inflicting on fellow corlgs like this. On one hand it intimidates your enemies and can push people out of zones operating afraid of their pilots getting caught and burned alive or their ngo workers being killed so the intimidation factor works for them but the brutality can backfire like aqii and zarqawi in the early days in 2004 and 2050 and with 2005 with his use of brutal terrorism. Thank you both. And on this tuesday, within the next hour, Ashton Carter will meet with the president hours after being sworn in by Vice President joe biden. He spans three decades at the department of defense who replaced chuck handle. 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