The votes in a coronavirus pandemic seeping into every facet of american life. Its clear that trump doesnt want to deal with the hard part of being president. And the latest way of dodging the work is wage war on science. Namely dr. Fauci. People are tired of hearing fauci and all the idiots. These people that have gotten it wrong. Fauci is a nice guy. Hes been hit for 500 years. Theres always a bomb. Theres a bigger bomb if you fire him. Fauci is a disaster. The white house blocked fauci from doing his job. A man served as an Infectious Disease expert for 36 years. Getting us through three different pandemics. And who is now forced to go on a power walk with security detail. Because hes received death threats. Science is mean and wont let them go to the gym or bar hop or sneeze in the fruit ail without a mask on. A totally different doctor has become more central to the nations pandemic response. Scott atlas a neuroradiologist who commentary led trump to recruit him. He clawed his way to the top of the task force telling trump what he wanted to hear. The pandemic is no big deal. And go about your business. Catch the virus and cough it out. Its like seeing a urologist for open heart surgery. According to the Washington Post atlas has pushed the baseless idea inside the task force that the u. S. Population is close to herd immunity. He shot down attempting to expand testing and tweeted that masks dont work to stop the coronavirus. A tweet so false. Twitter removed it. Coronavirus cases surge, this is the person trump is listening to. Who he thinks you should be paying attention to. A man advancing fringe theories and lying to the american public. Putting a nation at risk. He has trumps ear. While he mocks joe biden for listening to scientists. Something biden responded to saying thats not an attack. Thats a badge of honor. Adding all that donald trump has done is cower and wallow in selfpity. He claimed if joe biden wins there will be no christmas. Forgetting he will still be president during the Holiday Season and beyond. If christmas is a mess it will be because of his mishandling of the virus. Not joe biden. This war on science is so vile. And so baffling. We cant even say trumps party has their head in the sand. They are out there. Embracing the covid19. They want to shoot coronavirus up their nasal passages. What can describe Georgia State legislator doing this . What it boils down is trump and followers are trired of the coronavirus. So they can get their haircut and go to rest raupts and theme parks. Guess what . The pandemic isnt over because youre tired of it and because the government doesnt want to deal with it. Its the medical experts who are using Scientific Data to make the case we have to put in the work. Instead trump wants to ignore it. Deflect. Have a megarally and throw herd immuni immunity against the wall to see if it works. Even though millions would die. Look at the map. 40 states are seeing surges up ticks and increases. As of sunday covid19 hospitalization are growing by 5 or more. In 37 states. The u. S. Is staring down a third wave of coronavirus cases. More than 220,000 people in the u. S. Are dead. Millions of the living are slipping into poverty. Trump, trump just wants to have fun. Joining me now. Former Obama White HouseHealth Policy director. Professor of journalism and politics. And former republican congressman. I want to start with you. Florida is voting. Today was miamidade day. Lots of big counties voting. I wonder as somebody who lives in the state, people come out and vote, is the rush that were seeing to the poll ls at least in florida about people so excited that trump wants to have fun and hell make it fun again and we can forget coronavirus. Or is this seniors and people who are concerned and parents and people who are terrified of coronavirus coming out to vote . Which is more predominant. I think whats pushing early voting is trying to do it sa safely. The fear of covid19. And distrust in the institution to ensure the vote is counted. In florida and other states you have the opportunity to early vote. And we have two weeks to make sure the vote was counted. The ballot was opened and registered. Its the distrust of the current system. Voters want to make sure their vote is counted. I was talking to a Florida Republican that admitted Donald Trumps attack on the integrity of mail balloting decimated republican strategy. They are le lying on election day turn out. As they have not had to do before. They are not as pessimistic. But the mail ballot strategy has been decimated. The voters today are democratic leaning. Having done a couple elections there the republicans usually dominated the mail in ballot. I have seen the desperate mailers getting sent out. We didnt mean that whole thing. Mail in. Doctor atlas himself. People arent that familiar. If you dont watch fox news you probably havent heard of him. Here he is. Actually supporting herd immunity in the real world. When you isolate everyone including the Healthy People. You are prolonging the problem. You are preventing population immunity. Low risk groups getting the infection is not a problem. In fact its a positive in terms of finally acquiring enough immunity in the population to stop the spread of the disease. To the high risk people. Before i let you respond to that and tell me whether you think hes a quack or somebody who you would listen to, theres an open letter from 98 physicians and Health Policy leaders where he is a fellow at the hoover institution. Who denounced him. And the false comments on the virus. From september. What do you make of the doctor and his ideas . Theres no doubt that what hes talked about is just spread misinformation lies. Calling him a quack would be generous. Hes proud of actually propagating the crazy notions. Its not just herd immunity. Its that masks dont work, hes en been quoted saying that he thinks that the whole coronavirus is no big deal. We have cures. And really when you look at the timing and i have talked to colleagues who work inside the white house, they are frustrated because he came in and ascended to power right when the president wanted to hear the lies that hes spewing. It was an unfortunate kind of ascend that knocked out anybody with credibility. Dr. Fauci and dr. Birx. Somebody who has no qualifications in Public Health. And crowding out anybody else who can possibly convince the Vice President or the president to do otherwise and now you see a president mocking people and whats the strategy is were going into the third wave . The strategy is lets hope like a vaccine happens soon. And whatever happens until then, too bad. Hopefully theyll make it to the hospital and get some of the great antibodies that arent even approved by the fda. Theyre doing herd immunity. And doing it among their own fans. Theyre like come to the rally catch the covid19. Crowd surf. And breathe the covid19 down your lungs. Go to the white house get covid19. Theyre trying to do it without announcing it. And surprised when they get covid19. Heres dr. Fauci about whether he was surprised that donald trump got the covid. Were you vised that President Trump got sick . Absolutely not. When i saw that on tv, i said oh my goodness. Nothing good can come of that. Put your political scientist hat on for me. Is there any logic in pursuing a strategy where you essentially kill 3 Million People. This i cannot accept this is political strategy. It is just dim witted or trump is a sucker. And hes been suckered in. If there is some strategy behind the idea of just killing off 6 million americans. Please tell me what it is. Look, theres no strategy. When trump throws the maga covid19 rallies. Breathing on people. Can you hear me . Okay. I dont hear you but i think everyone else can. Basically what i was saying. Now i got you. Theres no strategy. He throws the rallies they breathe on people and have a buffet and kissing booth. It doesnt make sense. Theres no strategy. Its not effective and wont work long term. Theres a political element that cant be ignored which is hurting the president. We keep forgetting that on top of 216,000 people who died, the 6 Million People who contracted covid19 and survived they have a preexisting condition. And this is a president who has been attacking the Affordable Care act. Were facing a financial and healthcare crisis. Because of this mismanagement. If theres no solution any time soon, that is why people are backing away. Thats why dr. Fauci is like im not surprised he caught it. Large numbers of seniors are voting for joe biden. Trumps lack of a plan has campaign consequences in addition to economic and healthcare consequences. Let me actually play this trump talking about fauci. Hes been doing a good job. Im happy with him. So anthony is a good person. Very good person. I disagree with him. Hes a nice man. But made a lot of mistakes. I inherited him. He was here. I didnt put anybody in charge. He was here. Hes been here 40 years. Hes a nice guy i keep him around. Hes a democrat. Everybody knows that. Hes cuomos friend. On top of all the other political issues, dr. Fauci is the only person anybody trusts other than trump people. Attacking him is not smart. Sometimes the strongest leaders the silent leader. What he could have done is still have the white house briefings and task force briefings. But let the Public Health officials speak and he should have stood in the back with his mouth shut. The nation would be safer and healthier. We would have greater control. And the truth would have been provided to the american people. Trump frustration with dr. Fauci is that. The baseline issue that voters can use to inform votes on november 3. The baseline issue being trumps strategy is lie. This is the thread throughout his career. Art of the deal. That people want to be lied to. They do not want the truth. That has govern td his digs decisions from taxes to real estate success and foreign and domestic policy. He succeeds through lies. He comes against a truth teller. Its one thing in the way of his strategy. Why did it take so long for trump to really throw him under the bus . It speaks for itself. It will push more voters to the blue side of the ticket. Heres the challenge. It trump slinks through and hes president again. One could see him getting rid of dr. Fauci. And being open. He wont be up for reelection. Hell have nothing to lose. If this is his new religion. Herd immunity. They might do it. Thats the other issue. Yeah. Heres also the weird thing about herd imminty. What it requires, atlas is selling chemicals on kwv at 2 00 a. M. Bring all the Healthy People together and isolate those people who are more susceptible to comorbidity. Black people are dying at higher rates than white folks. They dont oeceven have a plan herd immunity. Keep people likely to die in safe and isolated spaces. Its thrown at the wall. Its not being aplied in a protect cal functional way. What worries me are people doing their own versions. Small parties. Thanksgiving. Coming up on the holiday. People are doing their own expermie experiments with this. His Long Term Plan is to attempt to unleash this hell broadly. Officially. On the american public. Youre right to think that way. Thats exactly whats happening. And to your point, look at what were talking about tonight. We have this quack of a doctor distracting us when we should be talking about how can you be safe during the holiday. Why do masks work. Talk about the science and data. To your point, youre right. The herd immunity is happening because of the lack of strategy. And a lack of any sort of clear messaging. I worry about that. Europe is hitting their third wave as well. 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On the campaign trail, trump is more focussed on his reelection. You should lock them up. Lock up the bidens. Lock uphill ri. Get your governor to open up your state. Lock them all up. He is a criminal. Youre a criminal and the media for not reporting it. Wow. Hes busy ranting about locking up people he doesnt like. 8 million americans slipped into poverty. 6 million householding missed a rent or mortgage payment in september. One of the main reasons is Senate Majority mcconnell has refused since march to take a up any house passed legislation. His priority, ramming through the Supreme Court nomination of Amy Coney Barrett. Speaker of the house spent the day negotiating a larger relief package with the treasury secretary. And joins me now. Thank you for being here. This dichotomy between what donald trump is doing, threatening to go full and lock up anybody he doesnt like politically. And dancing around on stage. As if covid19 doesnt exist. And goofing around. And pretending hes just sort of at summer camp. And this crisis we all at this point Something Like 29 of africanamericans know somebody who died of covid19. I know somebody who died of covid19. Why doesnt that seem to resonate inside that Briefing Room . Does mnuchin get that . Does he understand whats happening . Negotiating with him is what were trying to do to get something accomplished. But the fact is you described it very well. From the start the president has never taken this seriously. And neither has Mitch Mcconnell. If you saw him in the debate the other night it was asked what is he doing to help with this with the resolution of the challenge the covid19. And the economic. He laughed. He laughed. He laughed. Hes never taken it seriously. Let the states go bankrupt. Lets take a pause. The president from the hoax. Now at last, finally they have come to the table. And well try to get something done. And i have tried to make a tomorrow a time to exchange all of the differences of opinion. So that we can and numbers and paper so we can see. Lets make a judgment. We may not like or that. Lets balance if we can go forward. Every time we think were close and they have said that. Well see what tomorrow will bring. Its really sad. 8 Million People infected. 220,000 people dead. Much of that could have been prevented. If we dont solve the problem, the virus. Well all continue and continue to be dealing with the consequences of it. Which are attacking the lives, livelihood and the life of the democracy. Let me just to show the audience what the differences have been. The Senate Republicans the skinny relief package. They want to give 300 a week in federal unemployment. Instead of 600 offered by the heros act. They have money for testing. Some stuff for farmers and other things. It doesnt include additional money for state kp local spending. And no stimulus check. No more stimulus checks. The house bill that already passed. We should note you did your job. 1,200 stimulus checks which people need. 600 unemployment. P. P. P. For small businesses. Homelessness assistance. Worker protection and it goes on and on. What will be in the bill you get together . Thats a big difference between what you wanted. Its a big difference because we have different values. We dont have shared values. We believe and we are told by economists and the rest it is the right thing but the best thing to do for the economy is for us to help the neediest first. To help the neediest first. And so now we finally in the last 24 hours have come to a place where they are willing to address the crisis. The coronavirus. To crush the virus. What they have done over the weekend is take out lt language that addressed the disparity and how it effects. Black community and the hispanic community. Native americans. Can you imagine that . A child they took that out . 18 more times likely to go to the hospital for covid19 than a white children. Africanamerican five times more likely. We have made progress. Because of the public view of it. They came back and they are agreeing to that. Not all the language yet. We have different values. And therefore its a longer road back for them to do the right thing. Let me ask you about Mitch Mcconnell. I understand that youre negotiating with mnuchin. He has to deal mcconnell has to deal with schumer and the white house. Do you trust him to ever make a deal . Theres a lot of reporting. A piece that is compelled people. Other people have written it. Really what republicans want is to either hand joe biden a weaker economy. Or to put themselves ts in a position to go to full os