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MSNBCW Up With David Gura August 4, 2019

Was wearing body armor. The ohio shooting following another shooting in texas, at a Walmart Supercenter in el paso. Police are working through the night. The governor of texas says the el paso shooting will be prosecuted as a hate crime. First, to el paso, texas, where morgan is standing by. Bring us up to speed. Good morning. An active scene here in el paso, where this took place. The shooting was in this walmart, about 50 yards behind me. Thats where police say the man began making his way inside that building, shooting people rowbyrow. We heard from cashier who said, it sounded like someone was dropping large boxes inside the building, only to realize her Worst Nightmare was coming true. We heard various stories of that, as people realized what was happening inside the store. On the other hand, there were people that had nowhere to go. With School Coming up next week here in texas. Instead, they had to take cover wherever they could, as the gunman made its way through the building. 20 people are dead, 26 others injured. The gunman was taken without incident. He did not fire on police nor did he take his own life or injure himself in any way. He is cooperating with police at this time. He is undergoing questioning, as they hope to piece together a motive in this case. One thing very much under investigation, is an essay, the accused shooter posted online. Or was thought to be posted about a halfhour before this took place. It was antigovernment in nature. That was the reasoning behind this shooting. On lockdown, while Police Gather evidence. Tragically, some of the bodies are still inside this walmart. You have a lot of family members in this area, that dont know the status of their loved ones. Forced to see that texas grieves today, as they cope with another mass shooting. Morgan, as of yesterday, police thought the screen that was posted on the internet, you talked about, was linked to the shooter. Now, they believe more strongly than they did last night, that is the case. It was posted an anonymous site. The governor said this will be prosecuted as a hate crime. Capital murder with a nexus to a hate crime. Were comfortably in this case this was a White Nationalist domestic terror incident . Were waiting to hear updates from authorities here in a few short hours. According to the Court Website here, capital murder charges have been filed against the accused gunman. They intend to prosecute this as a hate crime and they give you an update. Ali . The shooter surrendered to police in and around that walmart. Do we know whether the shooter is talking . All authorities are saying he is under questioning. Saying he was taken into custody without incident. I would like to give perspective here, as for the el paso area. Over the past decade, this city has averaged 16 murders a year. And keep in mind, yesterday, that number was shattered in a few minutes. One of many things thats tough for people to wrap their heads around as they try to make their way forward. Morgan, in el paso, texas. Hans nickel hnichols. We heard from the president late last night. It was the second time he commented on this. What has he said about this, given we have the motivation of the shooter . We could have an update in two minutes. I was told that an update would be forth coming from the white house. Th we initially had the president calling in acts of cowardice. In the past, its been what is the right tone to strike . Typically that comes from twitter. And the other calculus for any white house, is when or how to visit other locations. With this president , he visited the mosque in pittsburgh and went out to las vegas. He gave it a couple of days. President obama did the same thing, when he went to newtown, connecticut. Thats the calculus likely taking place right now. We heard from Pete Buttigiegs simple tweet saying, how many more . And i suspect we will hear more from the Democratic Candidates. Ali . Pete buttigieg talking about White Nationalism. Beto orourke talking about the fact in a the president is a racist and contributes to an environment which people get violent. Amy klobuchar talking making references to the tone that is set from the top from the president. When the second tweet was last night. He was more direct than some people thought he would be. He was condemning killing people. But this is a difficult line for the president to walk. When there is something motivated by hate, including in charlottesville, virginia. The president has direct difficult with condemnation of it. He is a racist. He stokes racism in this country. It doesnt just not offend our sensibilities. It changes the character of this country. And it leads to violence. The fact is, that the president continues to have difficulty with directly addressing this. Is there an opportunity that reporters will have, to talk to the president and get the necessary condemnation from him, for this fact that it looks like White Nationalism. There is a possibility. He can speak when he arrives in washington. He will likely leave today. He seeks out the dress in moments like these. We should note that the president does come to the cameras frequently. I suspect well have an opportunity today. He suggested he should do. An Interesting Development to watch throughout the day. Hans, thanks. Hans is outside of bedminster, where the president is staying. After the first reports yesterday, before we knew much was going on, the president sent out a standard tweet condemning the action. Later he sent out specific language, saying no ideology is worth killing people for. Through the day, its about 20 minutes before, 29 minutes before, police first got there. Something was posted online. Police are calling it a manifesto by the shooter, without a specific location. But suggesting in past tense, this sort of shooting has happened or attack has happened. They were not able to, in the amount of time, piece together, where this attack was happening. But they were able to figure out that something was going to happen. They werent able to stop it from happening. We have a white house statement. I want to go back to hans. One of the president s aides says the president has been briefed and is monitoring the situation in ohio. This is the First White House statement we have on the situation in ohio. The president has been briefed. This seems like a place holder statement. I suspect were likely to hear from the president , if past is any precedent, he might make a statement on twitter, as well. This is the others shooting that occurred overnight. Nine people are dead and 26 injured in a mass shooting that took place in the oregon district, in downtown ohio. In this particular instance in ohio, the shooter was shot and killed by responding officers very quickly, in fact. Less than a minute. Police say they are only aware of one shooter right now. Nine People Killed there, 20 People Killed in el paso, texas. Were covering both stories for you. Mass shootings in the United States, in the span of 24 hours, here on msnbc. Our special coverage continues after this. Continues after this Highway Safety rates vehicles for safety, and some reach a level of top safety pick. But only a select few of the very safest vehicles are awarded a top safety pick plus. The highest level of safety possible. How many 2019 top safety pick pluswinning vehicles does your brand have . One. Two. How about eight . Subaru has more 2019 top safety pick plus awards than honda and toyota brands combined. 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Joining us is gina ortiz jones, a candidate for texas 23rd district, that includes parts of el paso. Thank you for being with us. Whats your sense of how one moves forward with this, in a place like texas, where the governor was talking about Mental Health protections. We dont know about the Mental Health of the shooter. But that tends to be a goto in a place where people are reluctant to talk about anything that sounds like gun control. Good morning. Thank you for having me. And my heart goes out to the families and the loved ones that are grieving because they lost somebody, and they were hurt by somebodys tragedy. We know the answer to this. Certainly, theres parts of this that are Mental Health. We need to make sure that weapons of war are not on our streets. Im an air force veteran, an iraq war veteran. I was trained in the m4, which is an assault rifle. I went through a background check. I went through significant amount of training to make sure i could handle the weapons safely and everyone around me felt safe, as well. We know how to fix this. We need moscow mitch to bring up the house bill that was passed and take steps to make ourcouni. No one should fear being shot in our churches, our schools, our streets. We need leaders with the moral courage to get it done. Lets talk about the hate crime part of this. The alleged shooter posted something about an hour before, when police discovered it. Less than an hour before the attacks. This is a new category of crime. Its one we had for a long time. Were starting to understand the intersection of people afreedom speech and the First Amendment and the internet, and the people with the remarkably powerful weapons. How do you think about this . This is a similar discussion after 9 11, with Public Security and free speech rights. How do we deal with those things . Words matter. We have to call it what it is. This was a domestic terrorism attack. We have to use those words because thats what were confronting. And somebody that worked in National Security for nearly 15 years, you know, i know exactly how important it is, that we call it by what it is, so we can address these problems. This starts at the top, though. When he ran, the president was talking about mexicans and not sending their best and brightest and calling them rapist and what not. Hes continued that language, the dehumanizing language, thats led to instances like weve seen today. We need a leader that makes sure were going to reflect the dignity and our values as we have as a country. It includes insuring everyone is treated and spoken about with respect and dignity. Gina ortiz jones, thank you for joining us. Well stay in close touch with you as this develops. Gina ortiz jones was and will be a democratic candidate for congress in the el paso area. Want to go to cal perry, who joins us from mexico city. Last i spoke to you, we learned about mexican nationals that were injured in that attack. Yeah. Those numbers are the same. We heard three mexican nationals killed in yesterdays shooting. Another six wounded. Those numbers as they go through and sort out who was involved in this shooting. Its important that we explain to our viewers. This city of el paso was part mexican. It is on the u. S. mexico border. It has a sister city, juarez. 20,000 people cross between the two cities every day. This walmart was full of not only mexican citizens, but undocumented folks, as well. After the shooting, there was a concern about how to help people through this situation. We had the aid organizations who had been helping with the migrant crisis jump in. There were a number of events around el paso. Well see that today. There is a vigil this afternoon. It will be a multinational vigil. As you were saying, this is so much more than a story in the u. S. This is a story in mexico, as well. The pages here, in mexico, have headline s like mexicans murded in hate crime. When you read the articles, its very much about americas gun problem. And what the country is dealing with when it comes to immigration and race. This is something that mexico understands all too well. This is something that the Mexican Government cracks down on migrants. This is how this story is viewed here, through that lens. That lens of migration, immigration, hate crime, domestic terrorism and a gun problem. That is very much on the mind of people here in mexico today. Yeah. When you compare the writings of the alleged shooter, i want to go to may and donald trump talking about this is an invasion. You have 20,000 people, thats an invasion. I was criticized using the word invasion. Its an invasion, folks, its crazy. And they say the wall would help. Someone in the crowd shouted out, shoot them. And donald trump laughed. Thats only in the panhandle you can get away with that statement. People you have spoken to, cal, worry about the fact that a place like el paso, majority hispanic population. Many mexicans. Many americans of mexican heritage. Its a perfect target to drive from the suburbs to el paso. He uses a similar language, an invasion of nonamericans into his white country. Yeah. I circled it. Hispanic invasion. They have it from the manifesto and are citing it directly. When we cover the stories in el paso and juarez, and a week ago thursday, an as example of how the two interact. We visited a shelter in juarez in the morning and el paso in the afternoon. When we do stories, we do not share the location of the shelters because the organizers who are trying to help mi gragr on other sides of the border, have been fearful of the attack, at a high grant center. It targets migrants. This is something that is now in the national consciousness. This is something that is clearly a front page issue in countries around this hemisphere. Its something that the countries have to face up to. It found itself caught up in this political debate. Unfortunately now, its marked by a city that is in the spotlight for the migration issue, and also few gun violence, ali. Remarkable that the city had 18 murders last year, and as of last night, another 20. Cal, thanks very much. Ill keep coming back to you. I want to go to the other story, the one in dayton, ohio, the shooting downtown, that left 9 people dead and 26 injured. Anthony reynolds was a witness to last nights shooting and joins us now. Anthony, tell us what you saw last night. Hectic. It was chaotic. It was scary. I kind of ran and tried to yell to as many people and warn them we had a shooter going on, as possible. Where were you when you first understood that something was going on . I had just left the bar and was in the line going down to the club. What did you see . As we get toward the end of the line, you hear it. You dont see anything first. We hear the gunshot. And as we looking around, to see whats going on, you hear another gunshot. Thats when you after that, you hear the rapid fire. Thats when we realized what was going on. I had people i had my cousin with me. When i turned around, thats how i was able to see the people in the line get shot. You could see those people falling. Thats when we, you know, hauled it out of there, and was yelling to people that it was a mass shooter. Have you ever experienced that before . No. Usually no problems and its a safe place. What does that do to you . One of the things were talking about, the tragedy of nine people being killed in dayton last night and 20 being killed in el paso. We dont think that those who are not victims of the gunshot, but those who saw it and how it makes them think about gun violence and safety in society. People that experienced it and got away. That has to be scary for you. Yeah. It makes you fearful. We knew what happened in texas earlier that day. But it didnt make me prepare myself for a possible shooting. You never know when somebody might come and do Something Like that. Everybody, you know your loved ones . Everybody accounted for . Yes. All my loved ones, friends of my neighborhood and friends of people that i know, a couple people i know, dispass away. Im sorry to hear that. Whats your sense when you lose people to Something Like this, about what you would like to hear . What would you like to see done . Theres thoughts and prayers as is always the case after these shootin shootings. But shthoughts and prayers are t bringing your loved ones back. Dialogue is fine. We need to put things in motion that will change these gun laws and things that help and assist. I believe its more that can be done in a proper time and prepare citizens, you know, for the Police Forces and things to be prepared for things like this. Anthony, thank you for joining me. Im glad you are safe from this and able to talk to me this morning. Im sorry what you were able to go through. And im sorry you suffered with people that you know in the attack last night. Anthony reynolds was a witness to the shooting. More of msnbcs breaking News Coverage out of el paso and dayton after this. After this. This was me before liberty mutucustomized my car insurance, so i only pay for what i need. And this is me now any physical changes to this mans appearance are purely coincidental. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Joining me now, nbc news medical correspondent, dr. John torres. John, were awaiting a press conference from del sol Medical Center. They received 11 of the patients last night in el paso. I spoke to the ceo of the Hospital Group last night. Its a level 2 Trauma Center. Tell me what a level 2 Trauma Center means and what s

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