For the First Time Since hes indicated hes pursuing a run for a run for the presidency at least interested. Jeb is likely to have to run against is gathered in iowa this morning. Everyone except jeb. The current president and first lady also taking off for india not long ago with word of a major change in their itinerary, something well tell you in a bit. Sad news from the world of baseball this morning, all of that and plenty more in just label the on the show. We begin this morning with this with the still unfolding scandal that everyone sports fans nonsports fans alike, everyone has been talking about all week now. Scandal that threatens to overshadow next sundays super bowl in arizona. This is about the new England Patriots and the deflated footballs they used in the first half of last sundays afc championship game. Thats when they dismantled the hapless Indianapolis Colts with 457. Late yesterday, the nfl finally broke its silence confirming that the balls the patriots used were in fact underinflated and then restored to their correct weight for the second half of the game. The leagues statement does not provide a timetable for its investigation which raises serious doubts about whether this will be resolved about the by the time this kicks off a week from sunday. It interviewed 40 people so far. Kornolojy, monday morning, tom brady initially tried to laugh off reports of an nfl investigation into the deflated balls with but then by wednesday, he learned that the investigation was no laughing matter with reports leaking that 11 of the 12 footballs that the patriots used in the game, in the first half of the game were underinflated by two pounds per square inch each, a feeding frenzy ensued by thursday patriots were in full Crisis Management mode. No knowledge whatsoever of the situation until monday morning. Ive learned a lot more about this process in the last three days than i knew or had talked about it in the last 40 years that ive coached in this league. Im comfortable saying that that nobody did it as far as i know, i dont know everything. I also understand that i was in the locker room preparing, i dont know what happened over the course of the process with the footballs. I feel like ive always played within the rules, i would never do anything to break the rules. And i believe in fair play and i respect the league and, you know, everything that theyre doing to try to create very competitive Playing Field for all the nfl teams. Yeah the nfl released a statement about the Ongoing Investigation yesterday saying quote, while the evidence thus far supports the conclusion that footballs underinflated were used by the patriots in the first half they were properly inflated for the soekd half and confirmed to have remanled properly inflated. Patriots outscored 280 in that second half meaning they actually played better when the underinflated balls were switched out. Whats at stake here is more than just this years super bowl, a stake on legacies of one of the most successful head coaches and one of the most successful quarterbacks in the history of the nfl. This is a pair thats appeared in five super bowls already. Next sunday will be the sixth. If won three of them so far. At the same time, the patriots havent won the big one in ten years now since they beat the Philadelphia Eagles in 2005. And as patriots haters like to point out, no shortage of them those three super bowl wins came when the patriots were videotaping their opponents, play calling signals, a violation that led to the socalled spygate scandal. These were supposed to mean redemption proof they could still win when it matters most and something to stuff back in the face of all those critics who talk about spygate. A win would tie belichick and brady for the most for any coach or quarterback in nfl history. Instead, eight days and counting before the sixth super bowl in 14 years, all anyone is asking is this who knew about the deflated footballs and when did they know it . For more on all of this im joined by a woman in massachusetts, investigative Sports Reporter for the boston globe, here on set, anita marks shes a radio host with nbc sports and former professional Football Player and the Huffington Post. Sharra, you heard from belichick the coach in the opening there, i want to play brady for a moment. This is brady later on the day on thursday unusual press conference. Here he is talking about the perfect football. When i pick those footballs out, at that point, you know to me theyre perfect. I dont want anyone touching the balls after that. I dont want anyone rubbing them. You know putting any air in taking any air out. To me those balls are perfect and thats what i expect when i show up on the field. Sherra if one things jumped out at me it was the body language. I was watching that it sounded to me like the voice was almost quivering at times. This was a guy, felt like he was holding back some, you know, show of emotion. This guy was communicating fear he was scared. And i know, you know not all professional athletes are comfortable, but ive seen brady in front of the cameras before never like this before. Yeah, it was a much different brady on thursday evening when he spoke to the press. In a packed press room at that. He normally is extremely confident, and very articulate and he makes interesting points and this one you really felt that he was following some sort of talking points memo and that he was very nervous about saying the wrong thing or giving a wrong impression. He looked incredibly uncomfortable and more uncomfortable as this 30minute long press conference draked on. By the end, looked like the patriots left him twisting in the wind. Anita and jordan some of the context, everybody has gotten this great education about how footballs are selected for nfl games. I think people are shocked to find out that the they dont have 12 balls they use. Theres rituals for scuffing up the ball putting it in the dryer, i think we can show you, aaron rogers Green Bay Packers super bowl winning quarterback. He talked a few months ago about how he likes to overinflates football. Theres underinflating, overinflating. There was expectation heading into this Brady Press Conference on thursday. Some were saying with belichick, especially with brady that hed acknowledge something about like yeah, i kind of like them softer, maybe ive told the team, i dont know anything about the weights, maybe we underinflated them, it was a mistake, i learned from it. I think the absolute flat denial was surprising. First and foremost as you stated, i played womens professional football for five years. There is nothing more important than a quarterback on game day than his footballs. I mean to the point where im, i made sure i took care of the ball boys to make sure theyre feeding me new bams maybe every other series. To make sure that i have the balls that i need in order to play my best football how much that is weight its the size, its the scuffing its the wear and tear. So how sensitive are you to extremely, extremely sensitive. What did agree in air pressure would you notice. Two pounds off . You would notice. And its it is also slight but it is. Its a better grip. Especially if you have smaller hands. Kurt warner had some of the smallest hands in the nfl, not surprise me if kurt warner liked a softer ball where maybe Russell Wilson has the largest hands in the nfl. Maybe aaron rogers does. Your ball needs to be more inflated. It depends on your hand size but for me to sit here and belief that tom brady did not know the difference between a 12. 5 or 11. 5 and know that those balls, keep in mind, those balls were reinflated at the half. They knew. They knew. And when he has said in the past that he likes them on the softer side and now hes saying 12. 5, it surprised me jordan to me my read on the press conference was, this was an organization that made a decision that nothings going to be proven here. Theres going to be no smoking gun. Everybody can suspect anything they want, but if we saw stone wall, if we all say nothing, theyll never prove anything. Also they dont to want take a risk before the super bowl. To me thats another story here. Youre talking about eight days now. Its shocking that the nfl did not send an investigator to tom brady in the three days from sundays win over indy to thursdays press conference. Then the super bowl you can imagine how awful it would be if Bill Belichick was suspended, tom brady, theres other elements as well. How does it look for league if they play next week patriots win 2814 and three weeks later, oh, we completed our investigation leagues going to make their money. Theres a lot of money on the line a here. Does that hurt the reputation of the league they have to say, by the way, when we concluded, they did cheat. I think what hurts the rentation of the league of whats happened for Roger Goodell and there was a complaint about balls in november that it didnt follow up with now were in the playoffs and we have a massive issue. Thats another thing, listen this ball deflategate this didnt happen in an afc championship game. This is an fc chap game this is something thats been happening far while. Probably not just be the patriots right . That theyre doing it keep in mind, this is another part of the story thats not being talked about enough, and that is you had John Harbaugh head coach of the ravens contact chuck pga know head coach, prior to the game and saying we think jason luck reported this we think the kicking balls were different. Right. Heads up. So now what were seeing theres 31 other coaches in the nfl that i think have had it with the patriots and Bill Belichick and the fact that they push the envelope, now theyre clueing each other in. Theyve had it with the pats far while. This isnt just an afc championship situation, this has been going on all season if not for a few seasons. Lets get sherra back in this im a patriots fan, i think something happened here. Ill make the case that it didnt add up. Let me ask you, the attitude youre hearing from boston sports fans up there, is this whoa we did something wrong here, were embarrassed or the whole league hates us the whole world hates us lets just sort of circle the wagons and stick together . Whats the mentality of the boston sports fan on this . I was going to say, the whole world hates us lets circle the wagons. If you look at the polls taken in the area you see that everyone in new england believes brady and belichick, and everyone outside of new england doesnt. And then when asked if the patriots were cheaters everyone inside new england said no and everyone outside said yes, they believe the patriots are cheaters. So people here are, as usual, supporting the patriots and just believe that this is sour grapes against a team that has a tremendous winning legacy. And refused to see it any differently. And i mean thats my question on this too, when i say, its become this thing, they cheated or they didnt. Everything is tainted if they did. If its proven they did get the air out of the balls, does that fall, to me the question is the line between gamesmanship and cheating. This is a sport where receivers pretend to catch balls that hit the ground. Hold on every play even though its illegal, its against the rules, is that cheating or competitive advantage . They hope the refs dont see it. Sfoobl similar to baseball when youre stealing signs, is that okay . Is that a competitive advantage or really against the rules . This to it seems to me breaking the rules, and it is cheating. Talking to receivers, we have Donte Stallworth on he played with tom brady and he said its hard to know but he also said that listen if the balls are inflated or deflative does give you a competitive advantage. One final note i wanted to make there was a report published in the wall street journal today, patriots had the fewest a. Fumbles in the last five years of the nfl. Great running back coach in new england, well talk about this after. We need to quickly, final question. What happens here . If theres an investigation and it finds brady, you know, knowingly did this had a role in this somebody in the organization, they can pinpoint what kind of punishment do you think were looking at here . Based on what we saw with bountygate with the new england saints and sean peyton and of course that coaching crew i mean, thats thats in my opinion, add the motivation for players to play harder. Thats just cheating. Youre suspending peyton for an entire season. Thats a precedent that cheating is a lot worse. I think you need to suspend Bill Belichick, maybe an entire season. Maybe tom brady for a half but also keep in mind Roger Goodell rules the roost. Roger craft is one of his biggest owner supporters craft, rooney, mara itll be interesting how hard of a hammer is goodell going to come down on an owner who is one of his biggest and strongest and most politically powerful owners. Who used a lot of capitol seven years ago to get through the spygate thing. I listened to it the other day, i believe billelichick, i think brady had more to doed with it. Absolutely. Thanks to sherra anita, jordan, well talk about this a lot longer, probably will more. Still ahead, ive been looking forward to something elts, the man, the myth the legend actor director writer mr. Alan alda will be joining us here on this set this morning to talk about going back to sleep. Hes going to explain. And next live to iowa where at least eight wouldbe president s are gathering to kiss the ring of one of the republican parties most outspoken and controversial opponents of immigration. 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Hes a controversial figure in the Republican Party and a party that says its trying to reach more diverse supporters particularly latinos, but king once told a conservative website that for every undocumented immigrant who is a high school valedictorian, theres another that way 130 pounds and calves the size of coconuts. Michelle obama will be sitting with an undocumented College Student at the state of the Union Address, he tweeted out this obama perverts discretion by inviting a deport to believe sit in place of honor at the state of the union with the first lady. I should say the with alito who hasnt attended a state of the union speech since 2010 as msnbc reports, dreamers young immigrants brought to the u. S. Illegally as children will be protesting the event this weekend in iowa. It was that same group in fact that confronted king and rand paul back in august. When paul heard the conversation that they were starting he promptly left the table. He is not attending todays event. Its also worth noting that two of the other most talked about candidates jeb bush and mitt romney arent in iowa this weekend. As msnbc benji sarlin reports, they snubbed him. What should we expect in iowa today . Joining us live in des moines we have casey hunt political correspondent, thanks both of you for joining us. Casey, let me start with you, jeb bush made a little bit of noise about a month ago when he talked about his concept of running for president. His strategy being, you have to be willing to lose the primary to win the general election. Look at an event like this lightning rod like steve king with his name all over it and jeb bush is nowhere to be seen is that part of that jeb bush strategy he outlined . I think its hard not to see it that way, steve, but you have to look at it from the other way around which is to say that this crowd will be a crowd of activists the demand is high we have 1,200 people coming 1,000 on the wait list or