Restrictions were lifted. Arizonas stayathome order has expired, and the state is now opening at limited capacity including water parks and gyms. Also out west, oregon is allowing Retail Stores to begin opening. In the east, maryland is letting some stores, salons, and houses of worship to reopen, even though the daily amount of new cases remains the same. In virginia, its allowing restaurants and bars throughout most of the state to reopen, but with strict limitations. In kansas, salons are reopening, but are taking clients by appointment only among other restrictions. Meanwhile, down south, mississippi is experiencing the effects of reopening, which it started doing at the beginning of the month and continues to hit record single day increases in both covid19 cases and deaths. Louisiana, which at one point had the fastest growth in new cases in the world is letting gyms, barbershops, movie theaters, and bars open. Americans are starting to react to their new normal. I think our new normal is going to become completely different than what were used to, and were all going to have to change and adapt with the times to keep ourselves safe. I dont think were going to go anywhere, no virus is going to knock us out. The virus is still around. I think we all have to be careful, but being careful doesnt necessarily mean being locked up. It means taking some precautions, not getting involved in big crowds. Staying away from people that look sick. I hope that people will realize the things that we take for granted in everyday life. Meanwhile, nbc news has learned that officials involved with President Trumps reelection effort are evaluating ways to hold Campaign Events in states that are reopening, which the president has said are, quote, going to be bigger than ever. Joining me now is kimberly atkins, washington reporter for wbur and an msnbc contributor, also former florida congressman and msnbc political contributor, david jolly. He was named executive chairman of the Serve America Movement. Welcome to both of you. Thank you for being with us. Kimberly, this is exactly what a lot of Public Health officials are worried about, that there were some guidelines relatively loose, but guidelines nonetheless put into place in states for them to reopen and in many cases, theyre opening without meeting those guideli s guidelines, a twoweek decline in hospitalizations and new covid19 cases. Right, they open these are guidelines that were issued by the white house, by the Trump Administration that focused on having a sustained decline in infection rates before you can reopen safely, but we are seeing that that is being flouted in a lot of these cases by local officials and state officials as they seek to open up, and its both an economic driver here. People wanting to get back to work, wanting to restart the economy, and also a political driver here, which is sohas sor divided the debate over this virus between stayathome and open up. That is also being fueled by the president and his messaging. We saw him yesterday say vaccine or no vaccine, were back. Its clear where the president stands in a lot of these local and state officials feel that that gives them that increased authority to open up regardless of whether theyve met those benchmarks. Yeah, in fact, earlier this week when senator rand paul and Anthony Fauci were having a disagreement in testimony, the president said he doesnt agree with fauci when it comes to schools reopening. David, we saw this case in wisconsin where the Supreme Court said the governor and the commissioner of healths authority is limited. Weve got a similar case going on in michigan. I guess i shouldnt be surprised, but i am surprised at the degree to which a Public Health crisis has become a partisan issue. Yeah, it really has, ali. In many ways covid19 has revealed our partisanship, not healed our partisanship. The healing of partisanship that we may have seen in challenges, National Challenges of generations past simply isnt there. And your point on the wisconsin and michigan scenario is representative of that. We are seeing lawsuits filed by republican politicians against democratic politicians. It is not challenges by business leaks like state chambers of commerce against agencies responsible for administering the shutdown. These are political challenges and in many ways the politics of covid19 have been weaponized, and so i think, look, what we will see play out and i do think its unfortunate. I think it represents a very bad time in our National Politics is you will see the intensity of partisanship on display through november. You wont see the persuasion election that you may see in the past where weve seen candidates like obama or reagan bring americans over. Instead youre going to see this very intensely partisan turnout challenge between trump and biden and the down ballot candidates. The one area where democrats may go into this with a bit of a nod is there is kind of this lingering effect of the 2018 midterms where you saw particularly suburban voters, suburban women voters who had said, you know, we just dont like the direction donald trump is going. I think that narrative continues through covid19 and probably continues into november, but trump knows that, which is why this is becoming a very intense partisan national matter. Kimberly, lets talk about michigan. Theres armed protesters there. Theyve been going there to the state how thuse. The governor wants to ban weaponry from the grounds of the state house. Theres actually a Second Amendment challenge going on in michigan, but donald trump has referred to these protesters as whatd he call them, very good people, very similar to something he said in the past. The issue is hes sort of stoking the idea that there are antivaxxers out there. The president has some history of sort of putting some fuel into that movement, and hes sporti spo supporting a Second Amendment movement combining it with the idea that the michigan has a stayathome order to go against the governor there, gretchen whitmer. Yes, we have seen President Trump really use cultural division. He sees the culture war as something that is advantageous to him politically. Weve seen that when it came to his remarks in after charlottesville, which is very reminiscent of that very good people comment he made about the protesters who stormed the Michigan State house, and some of these protesters were screaming at Law Enforcement without their face covered. Some of them were carrying confederate flags and nazi symbolism and signs that called for Governor Gretchen Whitmer to be hanged. I mean, it was a really it was really shocking images coming out of that, but he sees that as a culture war. He sees these as people who want the state to open up, who want these restrictions lifted just as he does, and hes sort of enlisting that, listing them as soldiers, if you will, in this culture war because he sees that as a winning prospect for him politically. I think we will continue to see that as a lot of these swing states like wisconsin grapple with this, places like florida where were seeing beaches that are packed and wisconsin were seeing these bars that are full of people right after that court order. I think you will see that playing out. The difference here is the coronavirus isnt going to pick a side in this. We saw after the wisconsin election there was an uptick in cases of the virus spreading, and if we continue to see that in a month from now, that adds a whole new dimension to this, if people are getting sicker, if more people are dying as a result of these policies, that gives the president politically a new problem. Hey, david, i want to ask you about the fact that youre now the newly named executive chairman of something called the Serve America Movement. Youre not planning on running a candidate in the coming election. What is the Serve America Movement . Whats it for . Yeah, the Serve America Movement a lot of people were afraid wed be running a president ial candidate in 2020. Thats not what this is about. Sam is a group of current existing, republicans, democrats, independents and former who are focused on trying to inject greater competition to our politics and get a greater result. Im indicative of somebody that aligns with s. A. M. Because ali, most of my fellow never trump republicans will go right back to being a republican when donald trump is gone. Im not. Ive left the party and im not going back, but i also feel liberated by rejecting partisanship, and im not ready to pick up the blue jersey, if you will, the ideological blue jersey. But i do want to see something better, and so we do operate in the state of new york as a political party, but nationally were a democracy Reform Organization focused on increasing competition for both parties through undoing partisan gerrymandering, stopping state support of closed partisan primaries, addressing money in politics. At the end of the day, ideology is important to a lot of voters, but a lot of voters just want a government that works, that appeals to a cross partisan coalition. Covid19 is a perfect example. It was a missed opportunity by an unfit administration and the distracted congress. It wasnt missed intelligence. We need better. S. A. M. Hopes to fill that gap, not in creating a moderate ideology coalition but creating a coalition around a government that works. Im excited about being with s. A. M. Theres no reason why our ideologies need to shift. Theres a lot of reason why our ability to work with each other needs to shift. Can you imagine if americans could make a choice between two candidates running in their district based on the merits of that candidate, not based on the fact that theyre wedded to an ideology that cant move. Thank you for doing that. Good to see you as always. Washington reporter for wbur, david jolly now executive chairman. The house passed the Coronavirus Relief proposal, which is worth 3 trillion. 1,815 page act. Its called the heroes act. It includes another round of payments of up to 1,200 per person and billions in aid for state and local governments battling covid19. One republican voted for the bill, 14 democrats voted against it, despite house approval. Senate Majority Leader Mitch Mcconnell is opposed to the plan. President trump says it is dead on arrival. With me now is new jersey congressman frank poe loallonpa. Hes one of the bills sponsors and drafted the health care portion. Congressman, good to see you. Thank you for being with us. Thank you. Good to see you too. Congressman, let me ask you about this. You had a number of democrats working against this. Youve got almost every republican against it. Youve got Mitch Mcconnell against it. Youve got the president against it. Whats the issue here . Should we think about this as an opening salvo for the next round thats coming from democrats in congress so that either Mitch Mcconnell or as in the last case, treasury secretary mnuchin has something to negotiate against . I think thats a fair analysis. In other words, democrats and certainly i feel that we have to do a lot more, particularly if we want to reopen the economy as you pointed out, you know, the economys already starting to reopen, but it really shouldnt reopen unless we have things in place. For example, a National Testing plan, contact tracing, ways to isolate people, and if you dont move forward and provide funding for states and also for people who have lost their jobs, then i dont think the economy comes back. So this is an effort to, you know, point out what we think should be, and i assume there will be negotiations with mcconnell and the president as we move forward. What do you think is in common in other words, if we fast forward a week or however long this takes, there are a number of american businesses that are failing as we speak and have definitely said they will fail in short order. There are hospitals that are in trouble. There are states who cannot run deficits or print money like the federal government can that are going to have to start laying off police and garbage collectors and Public Health people. There are individuals for whom that 12 1,200 is gone. Whats the commonality . What is the nedoes the next pha look like to you that conservatives and republicans might sign on to . I think most of this is a continuation of what weve already done on a bipartisan basis. For example, in the last bill we had 25 for testing and started a National Testing tracing, isolation program. So this builds on that and provides another 75 billion for that, which is whats necessary and has more guidelines and benchmarks about how to do the testing and the tracing. The same is true for, you know, state and local governments. In other words, we dont want them to lay off workers, essential workers that are actually helping us deal with the virus, and we did provide 150 billion in an earlier bill. Now we think we need more for that because we know a lot of states, my own state of new jersey that will have to start furloughing people if they dont get some help from the federal government. I really see it in many ways as an expansion and continuation of what weve already done and that was done on a bipartisan basis. I think we can come to an agreement. The tax cuts added 1. 9 trillion to the deficit over ten years. That didnt seem to trouble a lot of oyoyour colleagues on t other side of the aisle. Now there are a bunch of people who are finding religion about deficits and saying this could start to feel like too much . I think theyre wrong. Look, when were in a situation like this where theres such high unemployment, higher than the great depression, and you know, Interest Rates are low, i mean, the fact of the matter is the federal government is the only level of government that can actually spend money, and you know, pay it back eventually. And if the economy doesnt grow, were not going to be able to pay it back, so again, i dont think you should look at the total numbers. I think you should look at what youre actually going to accomplish. Look at this practically, not ideologically and say how do we get people back to work, how do we get the economy going, and then we can pay back the deficit. Otherwise the deficits only going to get worse if the economy continues to go down. Congressman, good to see you, thank you for joining us. New jersey congressman Frank Pallone is the chairman of the house energy and Commerce Committee committee. The white house and the cdc do not see eye to eye about guidelines for reopening the country. Were going to take a look at the scaled down guidelines the cdc released this week. This is the original version ive got in my hand. Were going to see how they compare to what the president has been telling the public. Thats next. Heres the thing about managing multiple clouds for your business. 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With nearly every state expected to be open for business this weekend, cdc director Robert Redfield has tweeted that all 12 of the forecasting models that the cdc follows predict that the u. S. Is heading toward more than 100,000 coronavirus deaths by june 1st. Were at 88,000 right now, so thats not a stretch. Redfields post comes after the cdc finally released guidance on states reopening after their original sciencebased guidance was shelved by the white house for being overly restrictive. Its a topic that the Associated Press has been reporting on exclusively and extensively. Its led to some question about the role and relationship of the cdc and the white house going forward. Joining me now is kathleen sibelius, former health and Human Services secretary, former democratic governor of kansas and the president and ceo of resources. Kathleen, good to see you. Thank you for being with us. Good to be with you, ali. I have in my hand here a 68page remarkably detailed report that was prepared some time ago by the cdc. It has details on schools. It has details on faith communities, on restaurants, on child care, really, really specific detail that a whole lot of americans could have benefitted from seeing some time ago. This was shelved by the white house. This was tabled. They kept saying theyre reviewing it. They wouldnt put it out there. It took reporting to get it out there. Whats the point of not putting this information out there, good detailed information done by people who actually do this for a living. Well, i dont know what the well, i think the point of holding it is that the white house must have felt that it would be discouraging or limiting to what they want to do, which is push people out into an economy. I find it very troubling because the cdc, a