Efficient way of returning to work. Velshi starts now. Good morning. It is may 24th. Memorial day sunday. Im ali velshi. The New York Times is honoring the nearly 100,000 americans who have died so far from covid19 on its front page. A stark and dramatic visual when you recall that this time last year even six months ago most people had never heard of coronavirus. A sobering reminder even as we try to get to a new normal, Many Americans are still dealing with terrible loss and pain, and as americans prepare for the most unusual memorial day in decades, its important to remember that a resurgence lurks around the corner. Case in point. North carolina. Which after ending its lockdown two weeks ago entered phase two of its reopening on friday. Yesterday, north Carolinas Health department reported its largest oneday spike in new covid19 cases. Nonetheless, americans are eager to get out this holiday weekend. Today is just my husband and i. So its a small group for just us, but, yeah. Seems like everybody is thankful to finally be able to get out and do more stuff. Like, hey, do you be afraid oh go on with daily life . Hand sign tizer, keep clean, but cant keep living. That easy worried about it, i suggest they stay home. I like to get out. Im not worried about it. Those that are should stay home. I got a mask. Out here hard to exerciseky it. You can probably see not a lot of people Wearing Masks out here. President trump plans on spending memorial day monday in baltimore despite intense local opposition and the city remained under a stayathome order. We have more in a couple of minutes. Meanwhile, remember all the old tweets criticizing president obama for golfing including during the Ebola Outbreak . Guess who went golfing yesterday in the middle of a pardndemic wearing a white glove and white hat, donald trump took to the links at his golf course in virginia at roughly the same time the Trump Campaign flew aerial banners keep America Great including at beaches in north carolina, South Carolina and new jersey. Replaced by a renewed focus on his own reelection and personal political battles including his ongoing feud with one of the former members of his Administration Jeff sessions. Trump has been engaged in a bitter feud with one of his earliest sporters after tweeting about his rival in the Upcoming Senate primary. Americans, seems, are starting to see through the trump antics. A new fox news poll shows his approval dropping to 44 . Disapproval rising to 55 keeping in trends wee seeing in other national polls. Joining me now, from the Los Angeles Times, why despite the terrible human cost so far there isnt a greater sense of shared grief in america. Also, eddie gloud junor also an msnbc contributor and good morning to you, gentlemen. Its a somber morning. Were not quite at that 100,000 number, but round numbers make us visit things. Also its memorial day where were thinking about soldiers in loss time. Eddie, whats the issue here . Were not we may be close to the peak, which means we are going to lose a lot more people on the way down from this peak and the president does seem to have lost focus on this issue. Well, you remember dr. Fauci a few months ago telling us if we did everything right we could see between 100,000 and 240,000 dead. And here we are on the precipice of 100,000 souls gone, and we are opening up our economy. What we see, i think, ali, is that a kind of greed and selfishness is already determining how we move in this country, and we also see, i think, that for donald trump there are folks who are disposable. Folks whose lives dont really come into view. He lacks a sense of sympathy and empathy for those who are not in his immediate per viurviepurvie. I think end of the day and i should say this with a little caution. It might signed a bit hyperbolic, i think were witnessing the death rattle of a particular version of america, and donald trump represents in a very stark way all that is wrong with us. And we need to understand that for what it is, ali. Eli, lets talk about the people who have died. We talk about a new normal. We talk about getting to a new normal, talk about reopening, moving on, turning the corner, but, in fact, no matter what you use to describe 100,000 people, its not the same at 100,000 people at a baseball stadium or in a sporting event. Its 100,000 lives lost, families who have been torn apart from loved ones, many not able to see their dieing relatives in hospital. Many not able to grieve or hold a normal funeral. Its much bigger than 100,000 people. It is a staggering number, ali. Its really a hard thing for the country, it seems, especially an an mize e anamized country as we are now to process and feel. Youre not seeing the same collective expressions of grief. Perhaps because people cant go outside. A lot of people of staying at home but also no television images. Nothing to see. All of these deaths are somewhat invisible, and the National Trauma is we dont know exactly how this will be felt and how this will manifest in the future, but what we can see with that New York Times front page and what we tried to get at in our reporting this weekend is to examine why this has been such a fragmented polarized response. Donald trump is not the reason why the country is divided, but he has exacerbated the division during his time in office. Its crucial to his politics, and he has politicized the question of whether or not the stay home or wear a mask, he has questioned his own government when it comes to say the fda study on hydroxychloroquine, watering down the cdc guidelines. Offering optimism contradicting the sort of, you know, more dire warnings from his Public Health experts like dr. Fauci, and in terms of the death count and looking at it. Yes, this president has ordered flags at halfstaff this weekend. Yes, he has read recitations of empathy over the victims and said continually that one life lost is too many, but this is a person who his entire life and political career has always been obsessed with numbers, with polls, with ratings, and this 100,000 deaths is one number that he is very loathe to talk about. Were seeing him, you know, his twitter feed is a pretty good distillation of whats going through his mind and what weve seen over the last 24, 48 hours, a lot of focus on grievance, on enemies, on other issues. Voting by mail. He is not paying attention a lot of people took that New York Times front page last night and were tweeting out the names of some of these victims. Donald trump, meanwhile, is tweeting attacks, old attacks, on hillary clinton, on joe scarborough, or jeff sessions. It gives you a pretty clear contrast where his head is at compared to a lot of other people in this country this morning. Eddie gloud, it is interesting that donald trump i dont know whether its a switch to grievance, as eli says, or a switch to Something Else that works for him. Fights tend to work for him better. Hes thinking about the election. Hes got banners flying on beaches saying, you know, make America Great. Hes thinking about a campaign, and it would be better for him if coronavirus is behind us, or at least thats how he needs to see it, but were not close to done with this. A lot of the emergency economic programs are coming to an end. There are businesses that continue to fail, and there are people who will continue to get this infection and die. Whats the right thing to do right now as opposed to what President Trump is doing . We have to address what covid19 is doing. At the end of the day, ali, there are 100,000, close to 100,000 people dead, and these are family members. These are people we love. And folk are grieving and mourning, and a sense of regret ive written about that attends it, because folk werent able to say goodbye. Werent able to hold hands. Folk had to die alone. A good friend of mine, his motherinlaw, mary ali june mist died and her daughter had to say goodbya facetime while her mother was covered with a plastic mask. Theres grief in the land, and donald trump is moving to political calculus, because at the end of the day, ali, i think, at heart of our country is this grammar of selfishness. A grammar of selfishness that drives how some folk are moving about. What do i mean . I say this really quickly. Theres an idea of freedom, a caricature of a libertarian kind of view that is i want to dot what i want to do. So they want to wear their masks. They want to go to the bars. They want to in some ways turn their backs on a notion of the public good, and so donald trump is just simply an avatar for that kind of selfishness and in some ways will lead this country down this dark path. It has and will continue to lead us down this dark path gentlemen it is a sad day and lets cheap with us. The fact that this is a day to remember a lot of people. Its memorial day tomorrow, and this is a day in which we are marking close to 100,000 deaths in america. White house reporter for the Los Angeles Times eli stokealls and eddie gloud jr. , professor at Princeton University and chair of the department of africanamerican studies. Tomorrow for memorial day President Trump is heading to baltimore a city that remains under a stayathome order and continues to ban gathering of ten or more. Baltimore readers repeatedly urged donald trump to the reconsider with the mayor saying in a statement, nonoh essential trips sends the wrong message to residents quoting i wish the leader of our country would set a positive example and not travel this holiday weekend. The white house says the plan remained as planned and mayor young joins me now. Thank you for joining us. You dont think were around the corner on this and why there continues to be a stayathome order in baltimore. What you do you understand the president is planning to do in baltimore tomorrow . I have no idea what hes planning to do here in baltimore but i do know that since friday we had over 4,400 confirmed cases. Thats 8 increase in baltimore, and over 400 hospitalized and over 210 deaths in Baltimore City. Ive been urging and asking our residents to honor the stayathome order and only to go out for essential Job Functions or to get your medicine or go get food, and those kind of things. Ive been making psas and all kinds of Public Comments to get our readiness, to actually know that this pandemic is real. Its here in baltimore, and its claiming lives. And for the president , who berated baltimore just over a year ago, to want to come here to fort mchenry on nonessential travel business sends a bad message to not only the residents of Baltimore City but to the country, and what he can do better is to honor those who have fought for the freedom we all enjoy today. 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They notified the Police Department they were coming, but the president knows were in a pandem pandemic. I have a stayathom order right here in baltimore. As i said, friday we is 4,400 confirmed cases, an 8 increase since wednesday, and we have over 400 hospitalized with covid19 right here in the city of baltimore and over 210 deaths so far. Ive been asking our residents and pleading with them to stay home and only come out for essential Job Functions or to go to the hospital or to go to the store to get food. Those kind of things, and theyre looking at the president whos coming to baltimore and thats nonessential. If president wants to set examples for the country and for the city of baltimore he can do this and honors m the men and n right in the white house. My father and grandfather, relatives and friends of mine served in the military. Some of them have passed on, and he can honor them right there in the white house. Were in the midst of a pandemic. There is a stayathome order here in baltimore and his travel is nonessential. Interesting that the white house uses that language, right around memorial day. The brave men and women who preserved our freedoms for generationses did not stay home. The implication, mayor young is that staying home is not brave. Staying home is not heroic. Staying home is not part of our american tradition . What the president in the white house has to understand, staying home means saving lives. Its means not spreading the covid19 to your relatives and friends, because youre out there social gathering with no mask. You saw on the news you just have shown people at the beach. No mask. I mean, this sends the wrong message, and our brave men and women would understand im talking about the ones that are living would understand that were in the middle of a pandemic and were going to save lives. The president can do that. We asked our high schools theyre not having proms. People cannot attend funerals and so families have no way of grieving and the president has to understand, this is a pandemic, and just like hes trying to tell people that, take untested medicine. Thats just not smort aart and knows better. Hes sending the wrong message and he knows hes dividing the nation telling people to come out during this pandemic. Until we are able to test and get the curve going down, i think the president should stay home and honor our brave men and women in the white house. Mayor, good to see you. Glad we got you back. Thank you for joining us. Mayor Bernard Young of baltimore. This morning all 50 states are in some sort of phased reopening, but this means a new standard tore safety permeates the economy. One that includes new rules. Among the new rules, a mandatory requirement for face masks in many stores. Many institutions across america. Its leaving some shoppers to become unruly like this cost core customer. I work for costco and asking this customer to put on the mask because thats our policy. And im not doing it because i woke up in a free country. Watch this video from the lapd earlier this month showing a straightup brawl in a target that ended up in an employee breaking his arm after escorting two men out of the store for not wearing face masks. Employees. Wage earners. Hourly wage earners, now left with a difficult responsibility. Getting customers to wear a face mask before enters a store. Keeping one on while in a store. With me now, Organizational Psychologist at Wharton School author of give and take a revolutionary approach to give and take. You are definitely one of the smartest minds of how work happens, how it looks like and how it successfully happens. I dont think youve ever been able to think that this would happen . That frontline workers who earn a wage would be forced to enforce rules that keep people safe, and be up against customers who wont listen to them. How are we supposed to confront this in america . Yeah, ali, i definitely did not see this coming. I think the place i would start is to say, look, the moment that you give people orders about what to do, you activate a response called psychological reactants. Which is, look, you cant tell me what to do. Ill get sick if i want, spread germs if i want to. The first step, give people a sense of freedom and control while still clearly