In for alicia menendez. American voices will be back tomorrow. Welcome back to a Special Edition of velshi. We begin this hour with dysfunction in the house of representatives. The federal government will shut down one week from tonight, if House Republicans cannot figure out a path forward to perform their basic constitutionally assigned duties. This chaos and disorder is 100 avoidable in congress if they just do their job. Shut down now seems all but certain if speaker Kevin Mccarthy cannot find convince a faction of farright republicans to sign off on a deal from the government. Today on capitol hill, members of the Roads Committee discussed the path forward for Appropriation Bills that mccarthy plans to put on the house floor on tuesday. Speaker mccarthy is not relying on hope to somehow pull a rabbit out of a head for a solution. I always believe, when you get to the final deadlines, thats when the real crunch. Comes on believing in Human Behavior furthest that have been holding out, no one that crunch time is coming. Even if they say, why didnt all this happen sooner . They are the ones that held it up. Maybe theyll see the pressure and do something differently. Hes relying on Human Behavior. Thats interesting. Mccarthys new plan leaves Congress Just five working days to avoid a shutdown. A house bill would have to pass the senate, by the way, and then the president would have to sign off on it. This is a basic function of congress. It is congress has responsibility to fund the federal government, a power given to the house and senate and the constitution of the United States. Its called the appropriations clause. No money shelby drawn from the treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law. And quote. This is a simple duty laid out in black and white. But chaos and dysfunction seem to be the goal for several hardliners this morning. I spoke with the Branca Cost Has on what it takes to lead in a divided government. Some of these folks have a mindset. I think we could agree, we have a 33 Trillion Dollar debt, weve got to get our arms around this. Shutting it down is not the answer. They won 30 cuts to some of the discretionary spending, thats not going to fly. You know youve got to do this in the senate, youve got a democratic president. We have negotiated the best deal we can, and knowing theres a Democrat Senate and democrat president , thats how it supposed to work. Interesting point he brings up. This thing has to pass the senate and has to pass the president. Joining me now is michigan congressman dan kildee, a democrat. He is a member of the house budget committee. Congressman kildee, always a pleasure to see you. Its important because youre a member of the actual committee for the actual ideological differences between conservatives and liberals need to be discussed. And that is the countrys national debt, 4 to 3 trillion dollars, republicans talk about all the time. Its a felon argument, people say weve got too much the door doesnt matter. Debate can be had in the venue in which use it. It is not meant to be had in a discussion about the government. Thats right. And its actually meant to be had by all members of the house and the senate. And apparently what Kevin Mccarthy has done is reread the constitution and somehow interpreted that its up to his republican conference to negotiate with one another. Rather than negotiate with people who will actually vote for the final piece of legislation to fund the government. Let me just make that clear. They papal that Kevin Mccarthy is negotiated with, most of righteous members of congress, maybe the most outrageous ever elected to congress. They have no intention of supporting the final piece of legislation that will be a result of the house, senate negotiation. So i dont know why hes negotiating with them. How about us . He should give a call to Hakeem Jeffries. Ive been through this before. When port ryan was the speaker and nancy pelosi was the democratic leader, they couldnt put it together with just their votes, the same way kevins dealing with right now. I was in everett when nancy pelosi called paul ryan and said, law, quake and help as long as you found at least one of our priorities. They said yes and she sent over to paul ryans office to negotiate for the flint word across this relief. And we deliver the votes because we came together. Some were our priorities, some work there was. Why Speaker Mccarthy just cant take a page out of recent history and realize it takes compromise. It takes democrats and republicans to do the final deal, so lets just do it now. Thats what don bacon said this morning. Thats what mark sanford, an alltime Tea Party Member said this morning. Its congress, youre not getting 100 of what you want. Thats at nonstarter. Thats not going to happen. And look, you tell me. Im hearing that what you just talked about, about what happened in past times, with ryan and with pelosi is underway. In other words, i feel like Hakeem Jeffries has either made the offer or is standing ready to say, Kevin Mccarthy, will help you get this done, you give us something, you will get the votes. Tell me whether you know that to be true, and if true, how that plays out for Kevin Mccarthy . Because those guys on the farright are going to have him removed a speaker for this. I dont know what Conversations Leader Jeffries has had. I know the conversations ive had with him over time. Hes demonstrated and expressed a willingness to have this conversation. And in fact, we didnt to look at very far, we just have to go all the way back to the tim ryan and the political position. We can look at may 31st 2023, when democrats and republicans came together two thirds of the republicans in the house almost three quarters of the democrats in the house voted for the same budget deal. Remember, what we were debating then, was a debate over the debt ceiling with the Republican Leaders use that as leverage to get a budget deal. A budget deal thats what were talking about now. They walked away from a bipartisan agreement, walked away from something that two thirds of the congress could support to negotiate with matt gaetz and Marjorie Taylor greene. I mean, thats irrational. Thats irrational. But it does seem some of your republican colleagues are sticking to come around. Youre just dealing with people who are rational. This are the new, Congressman Graves slammed what he called the obstructionists. Don bacon calls them dysfunctional. This is what graves said. The arsonists have lit their house on fire. They are whining about their house burning. There are going to want credit for putting the fire out, and then theyre going to sit up a gofundme to get paid for what happened. This is really the disingenuous. What we need to be to right now, and what we should have been two of months ago, it is not blocking the Appropriations Bills as we saw. Hes the guy who mccarthy brought in when the Debt Ceiling Competition was going on. Hes the pecan for mccarthy when things are looking like theyre going to go wrong. Hes saying, hes colin arsonists. Hes got Mainstream Republicans colin this defection all sorts of names that dont sound like members of congress. But they are with us and theyre a small group, but they seem to be in control of whats going on in congress. Its incredible. It is incredible. And hes right. They are dealing with political arsonists. To take the metaphor to its extreme, the Fire Department is a bipartisan solution. And its sitting right there. We have already made the deal. We negotiated it and may. If they want to change that some law, lets have a conversation. But were not going, we just dont have a democratic system that says that one party with a very slight minority made up of people who are not ever going to vote to keep the government open anyway should call all the shocks. Its just not the way the Democratic Society functions. And lets be clear, this is because Kevin Mccarthy made a rotten deal to become speaker. He traded away control of the speakership so he wants to have hijab but not do the job. Thats not workable. Its week. Its really weak. Congressman, as you know, one of the reasons i love talking to you folks from michigan, im from canada, were close to each other. Exactly. You and others have been involved with the uaw on the strike. Weve got a president , first time sitting president getting involved in this. Coming down to the picket lines on tuesday. I havent talked to her, i want to talk to her tomorrow, but i havent talked to a colleague davy dingell about this. She is not sure its a good idea the president involved on this. Whats your take . I think its helpful. I think anytime any of us represent, in his case, hundreds of millions of people. Stand with the workers on the picket line. It sends a message that their efforts are not in vain. I was on the picket lines yesterday. I was back there this afternoon. And i welcome President Biden. Im glad that hes coming. And look, i think it sends a powerful message. I talked to people on the picket lines today and tell than President Bidens coming and their eyes lit up. Because they know that they are presidencies them and understands that they are struggle is real and its meaningful. And when they win, we all when. Its good for everyone. And im encouraged by it. But congressman, you are, we are watching together. A resurgent Labor Movement in this country. One that ive not seen for a, territory longtime. With the teamsters taking the hardline on u. P. S. And getting major concessions, major increases. The uaw asking for a 30 plus and for his over for heroes, and when questioned about that saying, thats what the bosses got. Its different. The flavor of these unions and these strikes are a little bit different than if been for the last 30 or 40 years. Different, yet right. Different from the last 30 or 40 years but ribbons and all the strength of the Labor Movement decades and decades ago. Yes. In my own hometown of flint, when the workers occupy the factories back in 1936, got that first uaw contract in 1957. Sacrifices to get it, but after that they built the middle class because they had the kind of compensation that allows them to be the middle class. So what i think the workers, i see the workers do it now, is trying to reclaim that legacy. They sacrificed, these autoworkers, sacrificed a lot 14 years ago. Gave a lot of concessions to keep those companies from failing. And they did. They succeeded. And i think with the workers are saying now is we just wanted to get back to where we were. We want our fair share. We had it before, we want to be part of that now. Always a pleasure, congressman, thanks for spending time with me this evening. Michigan congressman dan kildee, a member of the house budget committee, a committee thats very, very important always, but this week in particular. A committee, by the way, that is referred to obliquely in the constitution as havent really shops to do and congress. Thank you. Next, ill be talking to a striking member of the United Auto Workers ahead of President Bidens historic visit to the picket line. And coming, up Donald Trumps lawyers have days to respond to a Gag Order Request in the election interference case. Well talk about how with can enforce a Enforcement Order like that. But next, richard louis. 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As Charlie Savage writes in the new york times, it would be one of them to impose a fine, but if he refused to pay it or to tone down his statements, The Next Step for a judge and a normal case would be to order imprisonment. Joining me now, former u. S. Attorney caroline. A msnbc legal analyst. Carol, good to see you. Thanks for being with us. Thank you, ali. Youre right judge. And this is actually complicated. Charlie puts it simply, but, yes, the first step would be to order the arrest of donald trump, it would be to possibly werent empty. Second step might be to impose a fine. Then what actually happens . Because i believe nobody wants to be the judge that sends someone to arrest donald trump for a tweet or something he said in his speech. Youre right about that. And youre also right that when you become a judge the first and they tell you is dont do what you see on tv. Dont thank the gavel and set your in contempt and im throwing you and president. That just doesnt happen. You have to process. As a criminal defendant with respect to orders like this. I think one of the problems is with the word guy older. Its sort of implies that reporting a gag over a persons mouth and they cant say anything. Thats not the case here. What jack smith is requesting, based on Donald Trumps prime behavior is requesting sort of restraint of extra judicial statements, and odor saying, look, you just cant do what you have been doing. Which is basically threatening or calling upon others to take some sort of retaliatory action against court personnel. Potential jurors, witnesses, lawyer, is that sort of thing. So thats what we have here. But in terms of enforcement of any restrictive older that the judge may impose, i actually think there are a few things that she could do. Certainly she could impose a monetary fund. She could say, im going to impose a fine of x dollars the first time you violet my older. It will double if you do it again. It will triple after to end again. 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