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Which means while they are finding more bodies, they could also find more survivors. Thats right. When i was here in turkey back in february, there was a devastating twin earthquake here that killed Tens Of Thousands of people. And we thought, wow, we hope the novels dont go up to that level. There are people being dragged out of wreckage, five, six days afterwards. Thats something were hoping we can see in morocco, outside of marrakech. As you mentioned, this was a 6. 8 earthquake on the richter scale. As you said, this is the strongest they fell in 123 years. So what were seeing now, a coordinated Rescue Effort between local authorities and the moroccan military, trying to get, out as you mentioned, to some of these more remote areas. This is going to be a struggle. Because you know, they havent actually officially, the government of morocco, asked for any foreign assistance. Weve heard the United States and france have offered assistance, if accepted by the moroccan government. And also, the red cross, World Health Organization of said that they will pitch in. But so far moroccans of not actually formally asked for any assistance. I think in the coming days we will start to see real magnitude of this earthquake, starting to take shape as we see Rescue Workers taking not just survivors, but dead bodies out of the earthquake. Thats where we saw here in turkey back in february. Where the numbers really starts to take up when they started pulling people out. Thats why were gonna start to see these numbers going up. You mentioned that its now over 1000. It is just a couple hours ago that it was 800, and in a couple hours before that, it was about 600. When i woke up this morning, it was very low. Honestly, i think were gonna start to see these horrifying numbers increasing as the week goes on. Let me ask you something, youve covered earthquakes before, including turkey. In major cities, buildings are built with a good mix of concrete, and usually the steel bar, metal bar psycho through a building. Some of these places in this earthquake are very old, and the construction does not have metal in it. Yes, theres two sides to this. When we are talking about this earlier today, here in turkey, im in turkey right now, a lot of those buildings have shoddy construction, but they were reinforced concrete, recently built. This was a scandal here in turkey, they were built hastily, cheaply, as part of a Building Boom overseen by the president here. In morocco, its a totally different story. Were talking about buildings built centuries ago. But theyre low rise, one or two floors. Not skyscrapers. They were at least highrise buildings that collapsed. But, yes rudimentary materials in morocco. But the buildings, especially in the mountains in rural areas, not nearly as high. Now how that plays out in terms of devastation . In terms of the death toll, injury toll, what we will have to wait and see. Ali. Thank you very much. Well continue to come back to you, nbcs matt bradley covering the earthquake in morocco. Turning now to Fulton County georgia which has been at the center of the legal world since donald trump and 18 others were indicted on criminal racketeering charges. We begin with brandnew devastating developments in a cascade of legal actions there. Last night, a judge denied Mark Meadows Motion to remove, to move his case to Federal Court. Its an early and major loss for trumps former white house Chief Of Staff, who try to make that argument the actions for which he has been criminally charged were performed under his role as a federal official, not as part of Donald Trumps official campaign, or is part of his subsequent campaign to deny the election and stay in office, despite knowing he lost an election. That argument was sadly rejected by the judge, who wrote in his conviction, in light of the states evidence that meadows undertook actions on behalf of the campaign during the time period of the alleged conspiracy, meadows was required to come forward with competent proof of his factual contention that his actions involving challenges to the outcome of georgias president ial Election Results where within his role as Chief Of Staff. His efforts fall short. And quote. Late last night, meadows filed notice that he will appeal the decision to the 11th Circuit Court of appeal. The question is still alive one. It could ultimately affect other defendants in the case. Those four other defendants, jeffrey clark, sean still, in cathy latham have filed the same motion to remove their cases to Federal Court. Donald trumps lawyers, who notified the court this week that they make, that they may also do the same thing in the coming days. Although the judge and meadows case wrote, this decision does not affect the other defendants efforts. It was specific to things that mark meadows said in court. The result doesnt bode well for other defendants. Some legal experts believe that meadows, as then Chief Of Staff to the president of the United States have the strongest argument for moving the case to Federal Court. Meanwhile, a newly unsealed grand jury report shed more light on the sweeping nature of trumps efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 president ial election. 19 people were indicted in a criminal racketeering case as you know, brought by Fulton County District Attorney fani willis last month. But, as we are now learning, the Special Grand Jury that investigated the Election Interference Matter in georgia identified and recommended twice as many people for indictment. In his final report, members of the Special Grand Jury recommend the 21 additional individuals Face Criminal Charges in the case. All of whom, for one reason or another, or not ultimately indicted by prosecutors. But that list of 21 individuals include some bombshells. Senator Lindsey Graham of south carolina, as well as two of georgias former United States at the time, kelly loeffler, and david perdue, are among those who recommended for criminal charges. Trumps former National Security charges, michael flynn, once pled guilty to lying about his contact with a russian ambassador. But this was pardoned by trump. He was also on that list. As was boris epshteyn, a longtime trump aide who remains a close adviser to the former president. And the Special Grand Jury also recommended the indictment of this guy, georgias current Lieutenant Governor robert jones, who participated in the alleged conspiracy as one of the states 16 fake electors. Lets let that sink in for a second. The Lieutenant Governor of georgia was one of the people who was the fake elector for donald trump in the 2020 election. A judge blocked fani willis from Investigating Jones Due to a conflict of interest. Because well start hosted a fundraiser for joness opponent in the Lieutenant Governors race last year. But a state agency has said it plans to appoint a Special Prosecutor to determine if bert jones, Lieutenant Governor of georgia should face charges. Graham loeffler and flynn have all denied wrongdoing in response to the Special Grand Jurys report. Epstein has declined to comment, while purdue and jones have not come out with any public statements at this time. Now these names are not particularly surprising. All of them are known to be hardcore trump who are openly doing the former president s bidding in georgia. All day they were not charged in the end. Their inclusion in the Special Grand Jurys final report reflects the widespread efforts of Donald Trumps desperate in antidemocratic attempt to cling to power. The point emphasized by the january 6th own investigation. Lets put this whole thing into perspective. These were senators, elected officials, white house aides, who were exposed to criminal charges due to their association, to a failed and disgraced former president. In turn, their own reputation, and legacies have been damaged because of their Blind Loyalty to one man. Joining me now, anna bower, legal fellow and courts correspondent for lawfare, also with us is morgan clown, the professor of law at Emory University in atlanta georgia. Welcome to both of you, thank you for being with us this morning. Analysts start with you. In a new article for lawfare, you wrote about some of your takeaways from this Special Grand Jury report. Now in one of the observations, this just came, out so most people have not had a chance to read this. But in one observation, you noted quote, comparing the Special Grand Jury report to the indictment indicates that willis did not feel especially beholden to the jurors recommendations on indictments. In some instances, she declined to charge trump with crimes at the grand jury thought she should pursue, and quote, tell me about that, tell me why she would have taken that Special Grand Jurys recommendations, and just decided to take some, and ignore others. Right, so i think it is important to note that the Special Grand Jury finished its investigation in december. It wrote that report, published it. And then subsequently, we know that there was this eight month gap between when the report was finished, and then when fani willis unsealed this indictment against trump and 18 others. So i think its important to keep in mind that fani willis continued to investigate, also we know that the january six committee, or at leasts report, in a trove of evidence, after the report was completed. So theres plenty of things that fani willis was continuing to investigate, continuing to look, at and prosecutors have a number of decisions that theyre going to take into account when deciding who to bring charges against. So for example. One of the questions that they will think about is whether or not the evidence is admissible in trial. Because when youre presenting evidence to a grand jury. Some of the things that you can present there is not necessarily something that you can then admit at trial. So those are some things that fani willis would be thinking about. They could also be thinking about whether or not they can prove that conviction beyond reasonable doubt. Where is that the grand jury stage, its just probable cause, which is a relatively low standard. So i think that one reason why we see some of these people being charged, and not others, it has to do with all of those decisions that prosecutors are thinking about. Morgan, i, and im sure most of my viewers, without legal training, this is all new to them, Special Grand Jury, is a lot of people didnt know how grandeur is worked. Now were all learning as we go along. Theres an interesting footnote in the Special Grand Jury report. I just want to distinguish, the Special Grand Jury was the one that was convened for this along time ago, not the one that came up with this indictment, or that voted on this indictment. There is a special footnote in there, in which it says, quote, one of the Descending Jurors voted against recommending seeking indictments of former senators purdue and loeffler on r. I. C. O. Claim, leaving their statements following the November 2020 election, while pandering to their political base, to not give rise to their being guilty of a criminal conspiracy, unquote. Talk to me about that, with loeffler, with purdue, with Lindsey Graham. As Public Officials, do they have more of a lake to stand on perhaps than others . Im gonna take a slightly different angle to answer your question. It kind of follows with what some of the things on it was just saying. So what i thought was most striking about the public release of this report was that, it undercuts, it seems to me, some of the most fundamental arguments being made by defendants throughout the case. One of them being, i think its implicit in your question, that this is all political. This is an attempt to go after republicans by a democratic operative. What this report demonstrates among other things is that some of the most highprofile republicans, who are not indicted, including mr. Flynn, Senators Ruffle in and produce, senator graham. And last night, mr. Giuliani apparently found the motion, not an hour after the judge, judge jones issued his order of attack trying to cross the indictment. Im certain that within, although i havent seen that yet, but im certain that among his arguments will be, im being punished for being a lawyer, and engaging in this advocacy, and this First Amendment protected speech. Now if you look at the list of people that the Special Grand Jury recommended for indictment, youve got some of the most prominent lawyers working on behalf of mr. Trump in the georgia event. Including, i can see in the list you just put up, for example lynnwood. Who is a very wellknown georgia lawyer. And he concludes other lawyers like mr. Epstein. And peter mitchell. Who were not in indicted. I think for, me the most important political and legal result of the release is, again, something that ana was talking about. It undercuts the idea that this was a political prosecution, and instead shows the prosecution took time and months to look at the facts, and look at the law, and see what they could prove. This is why, i mean, i dont know if you guys want to do this, its in the bottom right corner of your screen. If you dont want to read the indictments, ive read them all for, you can read that code. But thats why its worth it to read. That for the very point that you made. Its all in, its in the nuances, its in the details. You should read these things. Anna let me ask you about this. I want to switch to mark meadows for a second. You cowrote an article for this week. You argued the removal of mark meadows case from Georgia State court to Federal Court may have been the right move. You said removal for the purposes of litigating the forthcoming issue of Supremacy Clause Immunity is one of the best approach for district judge steve jones. This is a provocative position, in part because theres so much anxiety about the perceived disadvantages to the prosecution if the case is removed and quote. I really am very interested in this. Ive always wondered, if he moved to Federal Court, theres still a trial, theres still a case about the underlying things that hes proposed. Tell me why you thought it might be an interesting proposition to do that. Look, i want to clarify that the reason that we saw that it might be the right approach is because of this kind of policy really that maybe federal officials and the scope of their duties, which is what is being raised here in mark meadows so federal defense. Hes raised the question of Supremacy Clause Immunity, and that requires the judge to decide whats in the scope of a federal official duties. And the scope of the presidency. Our argument was that maybe that is a question of a federal judge that should decide, rather than a state judge. Thats going to be great. However, i want to make it clear that i think my point where it should be remanded back to state court. A federal judge would decide whether or not this defense is valid. I dont think it is. Once it is decided when meadows was acting outside of the scope of his Lawful Authority as a federal official, then it gets sent back to state court. I do think that is very important to keep in mind, that that is the argument we are making. I also want to make it clear that if he did stay in Federal Court, we were making the argument that some of these issues that have been raised about the jury pool, about whether or not federal reports would be more friendly, those kinds of things. We were doing some myth busting. In our view, is not going to be that different. Its still going to be fani willis and the team prosecuting the case on state charges. We wanted to make it clear that the jury pool was different but its not that different. We also wanted to make it clear that it might even be more efficient to have this case in Federal Court, because Fulton County has a whole backlog of cases. In the past, and we have seen that in other large rego trials. Its taken months and months just like the jury, whereas in Federal Courts, there is rival tivoli fewer cases, more resources, things tend to go more quickly. Time is of the essence. The American People deserve to know the outcome of this trial and case. The people of georgia deserve to know the outcome, and with the 2024 election coming up very soon. The idea is that perhaps going ahead and moving to Federal Court would be something where you can get an answer on the jury more quickly. Thanks to both of, you we appreciate the respective. Morgan cloud, chaos Howard Academy professor of law at Emory University. We appreciate your time. Make sure you check out the Print Addition of the trump indictment. And 91 from against the former president of the United States. The for complete unabridged Indictments Events donald trump. I added it and write a forward that sets the scene, added the context that is being published on september 25th. You can preorder it. 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Donald trump having been insighted in this and insurrection and out trying to overturn the results of a free and Fair Election in violation of the constitution is now constitutionally ineligible to be president again. Section three of the 14th Amendment has been used to remove somebody from office, just one time since the immediate aftermath of the civil war. It happened in september of 2022, happening in a lawsuit with a group of new mexico residents. Griffin, the cofounder of a group called cowboys for trump, not making this stuff up, is this guy right here who appropriately had as a cowboy hat on. He was ordered to be removed from his position as commissioner by a new Mexico State Court judge due to grievance participation in the january 6th insurrection. He was previously convicted and sentenced to 14 days in jail. The group of new mexico residents that brought that case were represented in part by citizens for responsibility and ethics in washington, also known as crew. In essence, it was proof of concept of the 14th Amendment was indeed enforcementable in the modern era. As president Noah Bookbinder said after the ruling, any current or former Public Officials that took an oath to defend the u. S. Constitution and then participated in the midjanuary 6th insurrection can and will be removed in part from Government Services for their actions. A new case in colorado seeks to build off of the new mexico decision. A group of sikh colorado voters also with the assistance of crew have filed a lawsuit in state District Court in denver seeking to order colorados Secretary Of State not to print Donald Trumps name on the states ballot based on the 14th Amendment. The last hour, i spoke to Noah Bookbinder and crew, hes had this to say. There is a specific law in colorado that says you can do this. It is that these particular people, this particular kind of person, in colorado. Thats right professor tribe was talking about, its what is a different thing from Somebody Just going to Federal Court. Just saying that i believe this person to be disqualified under the constitution, i want them removed. This is under a specific law that says you can do it in this particular way. And for the subject in question, donald trump, hes not seeking to have that particular case in colorado moved from state to Federal Court, perhaps for the reasons the no book binder just cited. Over the last hour, he also told me delays last night, crew moved on behalf of his clients to remain the case back to state court in colorado. It is, quote, his understanding that trumps attorneys have conceded that the case does actually need to be in Colorado State court. Publicly, donald trump has responded falsely telling a conservative radio host that the cases, quote, Election Interference. He tends to say that about everything by the way. 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This is complicated for you because you dont have the role as an advocate or as an advocate, or as an activist in this case. You are everything you do and decide, it is going to be very closely scrutinized by everybody and probably ending up in a court somewhere. Youve heard before the break, you had the ceo saying the colorado has a law giving voters legal standing to bring the 14th and that meant law soon. I want to know how youre considering this. Thank you for having me on. Theres always big issues happening in this country. I think ultimately, it is good for a court to weigh in. You, right Section Three of the 14th Amendment lays out in clear terms that if somebody swears to uphold the constitution, they are disqualified from Holding Office if they go and engage in an insurrection, rebellion, or aid, or comfort to the enemies of the constitution. That a trump incited an insurrection. There are big constitutional questions around that provision as to whether hes disqualified from the colorado ballot. We will see this litigation through, and ultimately i think that its important for the court to weigh in and provide guidance. I want to ask you about a couple of things. The constitution talks about Holding Office. A Secretary Of State, youre responsible for the election to that office, and then the certification of that person. The constitution doesnt bar them in my opinion, from running for office. Do you distinguish between those two things . Is that a conversation youve had . Could he run for office and not be seated or declared the winner of the president ial election in colorado by purpose and reasons of disqualification . When you are hitting the nail right on the head. One of the big issues of this case, the big constitutional question, is whether the president , the former president , if he is disqualified and the provision is disqualified from running or just from being seated in office. This lawsuit, this argument, we could see over the course of the president ial election. In the primary, if he is the nominee for the republican party, and once again, if he wins when he is being seated. Its not a cut and dry case, thats why its important are seeing this litigation. I want to ask you about proof. Obviously people have requirements for running for president , being a certain age, being born in the United States, and i seem as Secretary Of State, you have to vet those things. You have to be going through that checklist. The issue of whether one has been involved in an insurrection, it might be more simple to prove that hes giving comfort that because he does that. What have your lawyers been discussing about what proof looks like . Is the impeachment proof . Is the January 6th Committee proof . Is the outcome of one of these indictments proof . All of this is very complicated. Those are very big, open questions. Before you even get to that question, there is a threshold of, who gets to make that decision . Is it a Secretary Of State . Is it a court . These are questions im guessing a court will weigh in on this. Either way, we just need more information. I want to say that even though this lawsuit is going on, there are other ways to ensure democracy is protected in this upcoming election. Americans of showtime and time again, 2018, 2020, 2022, that they are rejecting chaos and protecting democracy. They will be able to do that in the president ial primary, and once again on the general election. Lets once again talk about the allegations that trump makes. I know he makes him all the time, but we dont always want to talk about them. Hes discussing these particular efforts, this particular discussion with the crew and efforts in various states to examine, as you are doing, how the 14th Amendment Section Three applies to the election. He is calling that Election Interference. In states like, yours and states like arizona, new mexico, georgia, pennsylvania, i can just keep on going, michigan. That undermines the process itself. As long as he keeps on telling people that everything youre thinking about in considering this and discussing what other secretaries of states, or with your own team, trump is a liar with no respect for the competition. To say that a section of the 14th Amendments Election Interference and considering to how uphold the Election Interference, its an american. We know the former president is a liar that will do everything he can to hold on to power. He incited the insurrection, he tried to make it harder for americans to vote during a pandemic. He had this scheme of fake electors. Unfortunately, its par for course. One of the reasons that the situation is so unprecedented is that we have never have had a president tried to steal the presidency and then have the audacity to try to run for office before. Whether the Constitution Bars for more, not i can say that right, now but can clearly say that donald trump is a threat to american democracy. Jena griswold is the Secretary Of State for the state of colorado. We appreciate your time in joining us and making it more clear for our viewers. That you are joining us. Coming up on tomorrows show, im going to be talking to Laurence Tribe, who along with the retired conservative judge Michael Luttig are one of the most respected legal minds of our generation coming up, book banning has had a 21 year high in america. Now, at least one School District is employing the gift of chatgpt to decide what books to pull off of the shelves. What could possibly go wrong . . A y go wrong being me. Keep being you. 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As the new school year commences, many School Libraries are going to have those empty spots on their bookshelves, as Book Banning In America hits a 21 year high with hundreds of books targeted and pulled from shelves. It took a unique turn in one iowa county last month where the mason city School District turned to Artificial Intelligence to determine which books should be pulled from the shelves. The district says it first compiled a list of commonly challenged books. It then used the a i tool chatgpt to scan that list for books with descriptions of sex. And then based on chatgpts recommendation, the district banned books, including ones by tony morrison, I Know Why The Caged Bird sings by my angela. If they had a maze tale by marketed atwood, and Friday Night Lights might bug besinger, among others. The band comes a few months after the governor signed an education bill, file for 96. That bill, signed in may this year, bans books with depictions of sex acts from School Libraries with explicit expectations make the bible, the tour, and the quran. Among other things, the law prevents any material involving Gender Identity and sexual orientation. A few months before, governor kim reynolds signed a bill into law, attending a event with the rightwing group mobs for liberty, which calls itself a parental rights organization, and is advocating for book bans across the country under the guise of protecting children. An official from Mason City Community School District said in a statement, quote, our classrooms and School Libraries have vast elections consisting of texts purchased, donated, and found. Its simply not feasible to read every book and filter for these new requirements. Therefore, we are using what we believe is a defensible process today identify books that should be removed from collections at the start of the 2020 3 24 school year, and quote. The statement continued. After this, we will continue to rely on the long established process which allows parents to have books reconsidered. Were confident that the process will ensure the spirit of the law is enacted here in mason city. Parents will always have a voice in their students education and quote. I want to point out this countys Public Schools, as most Public School systems across the country do already allow parental review of materials. After pushback from Friday Night Lights author but this under, the district reinstated several of the books that had been banned, including friday lights. We are using a relatively new Artificial Intelligence tool to make very important decisions about our childrens education. That is easy to understand the officials of the schools and libraries have made the choice to use a. I. In response to a vague sweeping legal restriction handed down from the State Government regarding whats allowed in schools. That being, said one of the dangers of using a. I. Tools is that it falsely gives the impression of neutrality, or of standardization. By starting with a list of commonly challenged books, the district was already leaning into the right wing ideology its targeted books that deal with lgbtq issues, slavery, white supremacy, and of sexuality. Chatgpt, the tool used to create this particular list of books to ban in iowa, use algorithms to produce results based on simple linguistic prompts. It means the youre not able to take context into account. It is not neutral. Theres no standard. When they asked a machine to whittle down a list that has been more left compiled by the religious right and asked it to scan for sexual content without context, its bad at a list of important classics, many of which American School kids have been reading for decades. This is an eye catching example of a consequence of that, vague policies. 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Get way more into what youre into the effort to ban books is when you stream on the xfinity 10g network. Accelerating across the country. A new bill in iowa prompted county to turn to Artificial Intelligence to determine which books to spin in School Libraries. Joining us now is my great friend, and messy news Senior Reporter brandi straws knee. Heres the thing, shes not just my great friend, shes a former librarian. This is a part of the book club doesnt tell us as completely as we should. Im so glad librarians, they curate for a living. Not the highest earners in society, they do this generally for a love of literature and people that read. That is their job. Iowa comes in and says you cant have sex in any of these books. What is the School System to do . Its an incredible situation. They have to get these books out of the system before the school year, and so they turn to jet cheap to. It sounds awful to me. What are they going to do . Its not the best. You make a good point. This is the law. Librarians and teachers work for nominal paid to do a Great Service for all of us. They are faced with the new law. They need to be able to i dont fault them for being able to turn away it quickest, easiest way in the months to make this happen. Its riddled with problems. It doesnt really work. Chatgpt showed some things that were like, they didnt have sex in them, and so theres a process after that. The Artificial Intelligence is not the main problem, except for the fact that it makes it seems like its easy to implement. But the book panic, the law is the real problem. The book manning is the real problem. The harms are so great. We get this right billionth the School Administrator in ohio that had to ban these books. You are faced with these laws, you want to do what you can do. When she did, instead of telling individual teachers, ghost cow or your hundreds of thousands of books in the personal class and libraries and School Libraries, and anytime you see a sex act, if its a sex scavenger hunt. Every time you see, that its out. You have this quick and easy way to do the best she could with this terrible law. And which lacks context. Its not just prudish, it doesnt make any sense to say that sex acts should be banned. There are some works where that is central, either to the novel, the plot, or the to the education of the reader. The issue, and it comes back to why School Brightens and teachers exist, they are the curation method. They are who we should turn to. What theyve done in iowa is that the state is now controlling what parents are choosing that there apparently parents for liberty, who say theyre in but in iowa, the parents dont have the right anymore. The state has the right. 100 . Most people that we talk to, most polls suggested people trust their teachers. They trust their librarians. They dont have the state getting between you and your doctor. No one wants the state getting been between a librarian and the community they serve. Librarians do such incredible work, they spend so much time carefully thinking about the community that they serve. Whether it be students or a larger community. Thinking, what do these people made . What did their age group need . Really fulfilling that request. The individual students, they figure out sometimes without even talking, what that child might need. Maybe it is a depiction for one child, a sexual abuse situation that now, because the purple color is banned in iowa, or in ohio and iowa, excuse me, now its banned in iowa. It never can no longer reach that student. It is a travesty, and it is the state, just as you said, getting in between a librarian, an instructor, and a student. There is a different issue here. As you said, librarians and teachers usually work for nominal pay in this country. Theyre the curators of this thing. Now there is a double burden here. This law in iowa means that the libraries and teachers have to, whether it is through chatgpt or manually, go through the books to make sure that they are not in violation of the law. It is up to parents who think that, the banning of a particular book was incorrect, to then make the case that it should be reinstated. It is almost the opposite of innocent until proven guilty. Lots of things are guilty, like but this injures Friday Night Lights, until it got involved and said, why are you painting my book . We were creating a reverse burden here. Of course. It was 30 days this law was enacted in iowa, 30 days before the school started. As a former teacher and librarian, 30 days before school, im so busy. And busy learning who my students, are busy getting my Classroom Libraries in order, what books can they read . What would be good for them to read . What are the new books, one of my lesson plans . Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. There are no reasons to burden them with this right. Now it is so terrible. Its really hard to properly explain the burden that it is. And just the sadness. Teachers and librarians, they want to provide knowledge. The fact that you are saddling with this burden now to take away, to pour over and decide what is bad, bad knowledge, take it away, its awful. Thank you for your service. And for your service as a librarian. Im glad that you are here because weve been talking about this podcast now, and weve got some people tweeting, saying are you not going to do the banned Book Club On Tv . We absolutely, art thats why youre here. Brandi is a former librarian and an nbc reporter. That does it for me, thank you for watching. Catch me back here tomorrow morning at 10 am eastern to noon. Velshi is the available as a podcast. Follow and listen to for free wherever you get your podcasts. Stay right where you are, alex whitmers report begins after a quick break. Quick break. Good day to all of you from the los angeles new center. Well look welcome to alex reports. Beginning with the devastating Breaking News out of morocco where more than 1000 people are confirmed dead after an earthquake on friday night. The most powerful one to hit the area in over a century. The epicenter isnt in a mountainous area outside of the historic and tourist city where right now, Search And Rescue teams are frantically working to find survivors. And d. C. s matt bradley is following the story for us overseas. Welcome. We have this 1960 earthquake, that one killed thousands. Heres the thing, that one registered 5. 8. This one was significantly stronger. What can you tell us about the