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I dont want it simply to be a photo opportunity. Plus new attacks against Kamala Harris and who in the trump family helped spread them. And the viral moment of ivanka trump in a conversation with World Leaders. But we begin with the breaking news of the president s historic day at the dmz. The president appears to have softened his tone on sanctions against north korea. He said both sides agreed to resume lower Level Nuclear talks and extended a public invitation to kim jongun to visit the white house. Richard engel was at the dmz and heres part of his report. Reporter President Trump was the first to arrive. Walking slowly toward north korea in the no mans land of the Demilitarized Zone, or dmz. Then kim jongun emerged walking faster to catch up. The two leaders shook hands. Trump on south korean soil. Kim jongun in the north. Good to see you again. I never expected to meet you at this place. Its a step forward. Reporter they were separated only by a narrow concrete strip. The demarcation line between the two koreas. President trump asked and was invited to cross. I asked him, i said would you like me to come across the line . He said i would be honored to do that. I would be honored. I didnt know really what he was going to say, but it was my honor to do it. Reporter the first sitting american president to sit foot on north korean soil. Kim jongun then stepped over the line into south korea. It was chaotic that President Trump wanted to do this, had been circulating for weeks but the details clearly only came together in the last minute. Security, camera crews, north korean television, got in each others way, but real history is often messy. And Richard Engel after reporting a north Korean Defector weighing in says theres zero chance kim jongun will get rid of Nuclear Weapons. What with you report . Reporter well, President Trump had alluded to the fact that this meeting might last just a couple minutes. It went on for nearly an hour. Leading many to believe that there were some issues of substance being discussed. The last time these two men met, it was a bit of a disaster. With both sides walking away empty handed. Kim jongun quite embarrassed that he was going back to pyongyang after that hanoi summit with no sanctions relief. And that really was a setback for him. So there is the possibility that something changed in that meeting today. That the hard line positions on both sides may have softened a bit. Heres more of what President Trump had to say on the possibility of sanctions relief. Theyre staying on. Im looking forward to taking them off. I dont like sanctions being on his country. Im looking forward, but the sanctions remain, yes. But at some point during the negotiation, things can happen. And thats what well be talking about sanctions. Reporter so the question is where does it go from here . President trump says that both sides are getting together their teams of negotiators. As far as time line goes, it should happen within the next two or three weeks. Of course the question is what is it that they talk about . There are no illusions on whether north korea is going to give up its arsenal. In the meantime north korea has resumed testing. It has added to its stockpile of weapons and it seemed to have dismissed any interaction with u. S. Gesnegotiators to this poi. This is a public registrations win for kim jongun. This gives him further validation being seen as an international statesman. The fact that a sitting u. S. President not only stepped onto north korean soil but begged kim jongun to meet him there. As for President Trump, this is a bit of a Public Relations win for him. Hes long put pride in his personal diplomacy with north koreas kim jongun. And he is hoping to revive and effectively preserve what he sees as his big Foreign Policy achievement in engaging with north korea. Whether it all leads to a deal, people are extremely skeptical that nothing much has changed and were back to where we effectively were 15 months ago. Al snex. Janice mac key, thank you for that report. Lets discuss with the Deputy Campaign manager for communications and policy at seth moulton for american. Also former u. S. Ambassador to south korea, christopher hill, welcome to you both. Marie, you first. In terms of the read youre taking on how significant all that we witnessed earlier today actually is or will be and to janice for his point of the pr perspective. Her summary was that it seems kim jongun got the better of these two from a pr perspective. What do you think on that front as well . I can only imagine the propaganda we will see in north korea with kim jongun using this meeting with President Trump coming into north korean territory. This is the kind of legitimacy he wants on the International Stage and he got it today. And i think thats a win for the North Koreans. But alex, it seems clear to me that President Trump believes with enough symbolism with enough praise of kim jongun publicly, that that will somehow pressure him enough to get rid of north Koreas Nuclear and missile programs. If you talk to my former colleagues in the intelligence community, i dont think they agree with that. And the fact is since they started negotiating, north koreas program has continued to progress. It has not frozen as donald trump wanted. And they havent done things they agreed to even at the first meeting like giving an inventory of their current program, what they have so we can actually talk about how to negotiate. We should be very clear, though, what we saw today is not an actual negotiation. It was a Public Relations move, and we know that President Trump seems to equate that with diplomacy. At tend of the day, nothing has changed. In fact, the North Koreans have probably progressed further since when the talks started. Isnt this better, though, than trading bombs. You work with seth moulton. He did four tours in iraq. Dont you think his perspective is this is better . At least youre not trading bombs . Absolutely. And seth has talked a lot on the campaign trail about the fact that the people who fight in the wars in iraq and afghanistan are the last people who want to send us to new wars. War with north korea would be probably in many ways much bloodier and more dangerous, kill many, many, many more people, not just americans but South Koreans as well. Certainly people who served in wars believe that talking is better than fighting, but the reason we had to deescalate was because President Trump came into office threatening war. Its almost like hes putting out the fire he started. And the point of negotiations has to be strategically to get to some place thats safer. I agree its better to talk an fight, but there has to be a strategy for the negotiations to succeed. We all have to remember that the president a couple years ago was calling kim jongun little rocket man on twitter. His preferred method of communicating with the world. Exactly. Ambassador, two years ago to that end, we saw the headlines like this one that said north korea testing a Ballistic Missile that experts said could hit california. If the fact that were not is the fact that were not looking at the same headline assign of progress . What the president has achieved in the last year and a half is the fact that north koreas not testing missiles and not Testing Nuclear weapons. And so he takes from that, i think, a great sense of victory. The problem is they are developing these weapons. Theyre developing these missiles. And so i would agree with the sentiment that nothing has changed in that regard. I think the basic problem is the president has said ive got plenty of time, and yet, hes asking from the North Koreans a kind of big bang. A kind of grand bargain in which they give up all their Nuclear Weapons one day falling out of bed in the morning and saying well do it. The fact is theyre not going to do it in that way. If they do make any progress, it will be in a step by step basis which the president has not wanted to do. So the real issue, i guess in the coming days and weeks is are the North Koreans going to put something on the table saying well dismantle one of our main facilities . Does it mean theyve gotten rid of their nuclears . But it would be an important first step and would the president respond with some increment of sanctions relief . I mean, the name of the game here is to convince the North Koreans they have a Better Future without weapons than with weapons, and therefore, sanctions play a key role in it. As the commentary has suggested, its a tall order to convince the North Koreans to give up these things and by the way, this has been a very good day for kim jongun to get the american president to come into his country. Absolutely. What about given your perspective with knowing the south Korean People and their perspective on this. Does this make them live in a bit less fear given how things seem to be at least progressing . Yeah. The South Koreans generally support this approach of trying to talk to the North Koreans. Theyre a little disdainful when people in washington say theres nothing that can ever be done. We just need to end up fighting them. They say look, thats easy for you back in washington, but we can actually see north korea from our bedroom. So they get a little grouchy about that kind of stuff. At the same time, there is criticism of moon jaein for being more solicitous of south korean concerns north korean concerns than he has been about south korean economy. Its a democratic country with a lot of thoughts. Generally they like to see a process going forward. They have great reservations about President Trump, but they appreciate the fact hes taking chances. One of the great ironies is to have john bolton who spent a career, really a lifetime objecting to any talks with north korea. When i was a negotiate or the, he wanted me to say i wouldnt shake hands with them. So i think the president needs to kind of work on his own team and figure out who is kind of with him and who is not. Interesting behind the scenes on that one. Marie, so before he met with kim, the president made quite a striking claim about former president obama. Lets take a listen to what he said there. President obama wanted to meet and chairman kim would not meet him. The Obama Administration was begging for a meeting. They were begging for meetings constantly. And chairman kim would not meet with him. And for some reason, we have a certain chemistry or whatever. Now, lets see what happens. We have a long way to go, but im in no rush. The sanctions are on. And im in no rush. Okay. President obamas former Deputy National security adviser ben rhodes who is an msnbc contributor tweeted trump is lying. I was there for all eight years. Obama never sought a meeting with kim jongun. Marie, what is your take on this . Can you back up ben rhodes with what hes saying . Absolutely. This is not true what President Trump said. And the fact that President Trump routinely lies about things minor and things major should not make us immune to the fact that when he does it, its a problem. President trump clearly likes the idea that hes the first to do things or that he can do things president obama never did. Its not based in fact. You heard kim jongun say you would be the first president to step on our soil. He knew that would appeal to President Trump and his ego, despite the fact it doesnt solve the problem. I think to what the ambassador said, a key point we should look at is the fact that it is probably time to work on some sort of interim dwreemt with north korea. If we go all or nothing on denuclearization, thats very unlikely to happen. And so i hope that this time under President Trump who is working on the details looks at the fact that if we can get some sort of first step agreement to halt parts of the program, to get a full inventory, to build some confidence that we will both uphold our ends of the bargain, that could eventually lead to the deal, but at this point, the North Koreans have gone back to testing shorter range missiles that could threaten places like japan. They arent upholding anything, and it seems like theres really no progress. That could be a way to actually move the ball forward on these negotiations. Maybe not a go big or go home approach. You heard the president saying we have a long way to go. Mr. Ambassador, as we see the way President Trump is treating kim, is the president inadvertently saying to iran that having Nuclear Weapons puts them in a more powerful negotiating position . You know, i think his real mes samg to the iranians is pick up the phone, talk to me, and good things will happen. And if youll just be flexible and talk to me and give me my political victory that ive somehow improved on the jcpoa, that is on the iran deal reached by president obama, good things will happen if you just give me my pound of political flesh. And thats what the president wants. And the iranians are saying no thank you, fella. You created this crisis. You started this dance. Youre going to have to finish it. You know, we bring up iran. And on saturday in japan, the president talked about the escalating tensions between the u. S. And iran during which time he accused john kerry of meddling in the process. I want to take a listen to that. We are working on iran. Well see what happens. I think theyd like to make a deal. I think theyd be smart to want to make a deal. Well see what happens. And we chose and designated certain areas we were thinking about. I said how many people are going to die. They came back a short time later and said approximately 150. I thought it was disproportionate. I dont think john kerry should have been talking to them. The president s not right about john kerry. John kerry obviously was involved in the leading negotiate or the on the iran deal, but hes not the problem here. The problem is the fact that donald trump managed to do two things at one. First, escalate tensions with iran, up the rhetoric, threaten military action, and really i think by starting this process by pulling out of the iran deal, setting us on an escalation path people are worried can result in war. But at the same time by not doing anything to respond, he sent a message to our allies that you can do things like that. You can take direct action against the United States, and you wont respond in some way. There are some proportionate ways to respond to tell them they cant do what they did, but the president is in the worst of both worlds. He cant even manage to make a decision about how to respond. This is a place where speaking to ambassador hills earlier point, john bolton, mike pompeo, and donald trump are all in different places on irans strategy and that basically ends up resulting in there not being one, and thats a problem. Marie and ambassador hill, thank you for a substantive conversation. I appreciate it. Now bringing in ann who always brings us substantive chat. The critics say this is for show while critics say its part of an effort to end north Koreas Nuclear program. Is there any way to measure the effectiveness . I think one of the problems is that both of those interpretations are right to a degree. This was a giant Reality Tv Show moment complete with Tucker Carlson in tow. It was exactly the kind of big splashy event President Trump loves. Of course, it was a huge as your previous guests noted, it was a huge victory on for show and for prestige for chairman kim, but from trumps perspective, its exactly the kind of big show, big splashy thing. Looks good on television. Makes him look like the big man doing new things across the world that is the image he wants to project. It is also true that this while this personal diplomacy has not borne fruit in the form of a specific reduction in the number, scope, future, or anything else of the north Korean Nuclear arsenal and missile program, it has lowered the temperature from what was a really sense moment a year and a half ago, and its kind of time to give a little bit of air to the idea that personal diplomacy night be able to do something that traditional diplomacy hasnt. Yeah. Something else thats lowering the temperature to a degree, the president is somewhat softening his stance on sanctions, floating the possibility of lifting some of them during negotiations. What do you make of that . Its actually the same strategy hes been applying with iran. And which is to dangle the possibility that oh, man, i dont like sanctions either. I think its terrible. I dont want to put sanctions on you. Do what i want and you get the sanctions lifted. That is a different style than previous president s but as a policy matter, its actually not. The policy he has been pursuing is the same. The previous two president s have been pursuing with both countries which is were going to sanction you to the hilt unless and until you do what we want. Okay. Ann, stay there. After the break were going to be joined by Kamala Harris<\/a> and who in the trump family helped spread them. And the viral moment of ivanka trump in a conversation with World Leaders<\/a>. But we begin with the breaking news of the president s historic day at the dmz. The president appears to have softened his tone on sanctions against north korea. He said both sides agreed to resume lower Level Nuclear<\/a> talks and extended a public invitation to kim jongun to visit the white house. Richard engel was at the dmz and heres part of his report. Reporter President Trump<\/a> was the first to arrive. Walking slowly toward north korea in the no mans land of the Demilitarized Zone<\/a>, or dmz. Then kim jongun emerged walking faster to catch up. The two leaders shook hands. Trump on south korean soil. Kim jongun in the north. Good to see you again. I never expected to meet you at this place. Its a step forward. Reporter they were separated only by a narrow concrete strip. The demarcation line between the two koreas. President trump asked and was invited to cross. I asked him, i said would you like me to come across the line . He said i would be honored to do that. I would be honored. I didnt know really what he was going to say, but it was my honor to do it. Reporter the first sitting american president to sit foot on north korean soil. Kim jongun then stepped over the line into south korea. It was chaotic that President Trump<\/a> wanted to do this, had been circulating for weeks but the details clearly only came together in the last minute. Security, camera crews, north korean television, got in each others way, but real history is often messy. And Richard Engel<\/a> after reporting a north Korean Defector<\/a> weighing in says theres zero chance kim jongun will get rid of Nuclear Weapons<\/a>. What with you report . Reporter well, President Trump<\/a> had alluded to the fact that this meeting might last just a couple minutes. It went on for nearly an hour. Leading many to believe that there were some issues of substance being discussed. The last time these two men met, it was a bit of a disaster. With both sides walking away empty handed. Kim jongun quite embarrassed that he was going back to pyongyang after that hanoi summit with no sanctions relief. And that really was a setback for him. So there is the possibility that something changed in that meeting today. That the hard line positions on both sides may have softened a bit. Heres more of what President Trump<\/a> had to say on the possibility of sanctions relief. Theyre staying on. Im looking forward to taking them off. I dont like sanctions being on his country. Im looking forward, but the sanctions remain, yes. But at some point during the negotiation, things can happen. And thats what well be talking about sanctions. Reporter so the question is where does it go from here . President trump says that both sides are getting together their teams of negotiators. As far as time line goes, it should happen within the next two or three weeks. Of course the question is what is it that they talk about . There are no illusions on whether north korea is going to give up its arsenal. In the meantime north korea has resumed testing. It has added to its stockpile of weapons and it seemed to have dismissed any interaction with u. S. Gesnegotiators to this poi. This is a public registrations win for kim jongun. This gives him further validation being seen as an international statesman. The fact that a sitting u. S. President not only stepped onto north korean soil but begged kim jongun to meet him there. As for President Trump<\/a>, this is a bit of a Public Relations<\/a> win for him. Hes long put pride in his personal diplomacy with north koreas kim jongun. And he is hoping to revive and effectively preserve what he sees as his big Foreign Policy<\/a> achievement in engaging with north korea. Whether it all leads to a deal, people are extremely skeptical that nothing much has changed and were back to where we effectively were 15 months ago. Al snex. Janice mac key, thank you for that report. Lets discuss with the Deputy Campaign<\/a> manager for communications and policy at seth moulton for american. Also former u. S. Ambassador to south korea, christopher hill, welcome to you both. Marie, you first. In terms of the read youre taking on how significant all that we witnessed earlier today actually is or will be and to janice for his point of the pr perspective. Her summary was that it seems kim jongun got the better of these two from a pr perspective. What do you think on that front as well . I can only imagine the propaganda we will see in north korea with kim jongun using this meeting with President Trump<\/a> coming into north korean territory. This is the kind of legitimacy he wants on the International Stage<\/a> and he got it today. And i think thats a win for the North Koreans<\/a>. But alex, it seems clear to me that President Trump<\/a> believes with enough symbolism with enough praise of kim jongun publicly, that that will somehow pressure him enough to get rid of north Koreas Nuclear<\/a> and missile programs. If you talk to my former colleagues in the intelligence community, i dont think they agree with that. And the fact is since they started negotiating, north koreas program has continued to progress. It has not frozen as donald trump wanted. And they havent done things they agreed to even at the first meeting like giving an inventory of their current program, what they have so we can actually talk about how to negotiate. We should be very clear, though, what we saw today is not an actual negotiation. It was a Public Relations<\/a> move, and we know that President Trump<\/a> seems to equate that with diplomacy. At tend of the day, nothing has changed. In fact, the North Koreans<\/a> have probably progressed further since when the talks started. Isnt this better, though, than trading bombs. You work with seth moulton. He did four tours in iraq. Dont you think his perspective is this is better . At least youre not trading bombs . Absolutely. And seth has talked a lot on the campaign trail about the fact that the people who fight in the wars in iraq and afghanistan are the last people who want to send us to new wars. War with north korea would be probably in many ways much bloodier and more dangerous, kill many, many, many more people, not just americans but South Koreans<\/a> as well. Certainly people who served in wars believe that talking is better than fighting, but the reason we had to deescalate was because President Trump<\/a> came into office threatening war. Its almost like hes putting out the fire he started. And the point of negotiations has to be strategically to get to some place thats safer. I agree its better to talk an fight, but there has to be a strategy for the negotiations to succeed. We all have to remember that the president a couple years ago was calling kim jongun little rocket man on twitter. His preferred method of communicating with the world. Exactly. Ambassador, two years ago to that end, we saw the headlines like this one that said north korea testing a Ballistic Missile<\/a> that experts said could hit california. If the fact that were not is the fact that were not looking at the same headline assign of progress . What the president has achieved in the last year and a half is the fact that north koreas not testing missiles and not Testing Nuclear<\/a> weapons. And so he takes from that, i think, a great sense of victory. The problem is they are developing these weapons. Theyre developing these missiles. And so i would agree with the sentiment that nothing has changed in that regard. I think the basic problem is the president has said ive got plenty of time, and yet, hes asking from the North Koreans<\/a> a kind of big bang. A kind of grand bargain in which they give up all their Nuclear Weapons<\/a> one day falling out of bed in the morning and saying well do it. The fact is theyre not going to do it in that way. If they do make any progress, it will be in a step by step basis which the president has not wanted to do. So the real issue, i guess in the coming days and weeks is are the North Koreans<\/a> going to put something on the table saying well dismantle one of our main facilities . Does it mean theyve gotten rid of their nuclears . But it would be an important first step and would the president respond with some increment of sanctions relief . I mean, the name of the game here is to convince the North Koreans<\/a> they have a Better Future<\/a> without weapons than with weapons, and therefore, sanctions play a key role in it. As the commentary has suggested, its a tall order to convince the North Koreans<\/a> to give up these things and by the way, this has been a very good day for kim jongun to get the american president to come into his country. Absolutely. What about given your perspective with knowing the south Korean People<\/a> and their perspective on this. Does this make them live in a bit less fear given how things seem to be at least progressing . Yeah. The South Koreans<\/a> generally support this approach of trying to talk to the North Koreans<\/a>. Theyre a little disdainful when people in washington say theres nothing that can ever be done. We just need to end up fighting them. They say look, thats easy for you back in washington, but we can actually see north korea from our bedroom. So they get a little grouchy about that kind of stuff. At the same time, there is criticism of moon jaein for being more solicitous of south korean concerns north korean concerns than he has been about south korean economy. Its a democratic country with a lot of thoughts. Generally they like to see a process going forward. They have great reservations about President Trump<\/a>, but they appreciate the fact hes taking chances. One of the great ironies is to have john bolton who spent a career, really a lifetime objecting to any talks with north korea. When i was a negotiate or the, he wanted me to say i wouldnt shake hands with them. So i think the president needs to kind of work on his own team and figure out who is kind of with him and who is not. Interesting behind the scenes on that one. Marie, so before he met with kim, the president made quite a striking claim about former president obama. Lets take a listen to what he said there. President obama wanted to meet and chairman kim would not meet him. The Obama Administration<\/a> was begging for a meeting. They were begging for meetings constantly. And chairman kim would not meet with him. And for some reason, we have a certain chemistry or whatever. Now, lets see what happens. We have a long way to go, but im in no rush. The sanctions are on. And im in no rush. Okay. President obamas former Deputy National<\/a> security adviser ben rhodes who is an msnbc contributor tweeted trump is lying. I was there for all eight years. Obama never sought a meeting with kim jongun. Marie, what is your take on this . Can you back up ben rhodes with what hes saying . Absolutely. This is not true what President Trump<\/a> said. And the fact that President Trump<\/a> routinely lies about things minor and things major should not make us immune to the fact that when he does it, its a problem. President trump clearly likes the idea that hes the first to do things or that he can do things president obama never did. Its not based in fact. You heard kim jongun say you would be the first president to step on our soil. He knew that would appeal to President Trump<\/a> and his ego, despite the fact it doesnt solve the problem. I think to what the ambassador said, a key point we should look at is the fact that it is probably time to work on some sort of interim dwreemt with north korea. If we go all or nothing on denuclearization, thats very unlikely to happen. And so i hope that this time under President Trump<\/a> who is working on the details looks at the fact that if we can get some sort of first step agreement to halt parts of the program, to get a full inventory, to build some confidence that we will both uphold our ends of the bargain, that could eventually lead to the deal, but at this point, the North Koreans<\/a> have gone back to testing shorter range missiles that could threaten places like japan. They arent upholding anything, and it seems like theres really no progress. That could be a way to actually move the ball forward on these negotiations. Maybe not a go big or go home approach. You heard the president saying we have a long way to go. Mr. Ambassador, as we see the way President Trump<\/a> is treating kim, is the president inadvertently saying to iran that having Nuclear Weapons<\/a> puts them in a more powerful negotiating position . You know, i think his real mes samg to the iranians is pick up the phone, talk to me, and good things will happen. And if youll just be flexible and talk to me and give me my political victory that ive somehow improved on the jcpoa, that is on the iran deal reached by president obama, good things will happen if you just give me my pound of political flesh. And thats what the president wants. And the iranians are saying no thank you, fella. You created this crisis. You started this dance. Youre going to have to finish it. You know, we bring up iran. And on saturday in japan, the president talked about the escalating tensions between the u. S. And iran during which time he accused john kerry of meddling in the process. I want to take a listen to that. We are working on iran. Well see what happens. I think theyd like to make a deal. I think theyd be smart to want to make a deal. Well see what happens. And we chose and designated certain areas we were thinking about. I said how many people are going to die. They came back a short time later and said approximately 150. I thought it was disproportionate. I dont think john kerry should have been talking to them. The president s not right about john kerry. John kerry obviously was involved in the leading negotiate or the on the iran deal, but hes not the problem here. The problem is the fact that donald trump managed to do two things at one. First, escalate tensions with iran, up the rhetoric, threaten military action, and really i think by starting this process by pulling out of the iran deal, setting us on an escalation path people are worried can result in war. But at the same time by not doing anything to respond, he sent a message to our allies that you can do things like that. You can take direct action against the United States<\/a>, and you wont respond in some way. There are some proportionate ways to respond to tell them they cant do what they did, but the president is in the worst of both worlds. He cant even manage to make a decision about how to respond. This is a place where speaking to ambassador hills earlier point, john bolton, mike pompeo, and donald trump are all in different places on irans strategy and that basically ends up resulting in there not being one, and thats a problem. Marie and ambassador hill, thank you for a substantive conversation. I appreciate it. Now bringing in ann who always brings us substantive chat. The critics say this is for show while critics say its part of an effort to end north Koreas Nuclear<\/a> program. Is there any way to measure the effectiveness . I think one of the problems is that both of those interpretations are right to a degree. This was a giant Reality Tv Show<\/a> moment complete with Tucker Carlson<\/a> in tow. It was exactly the kind of big splashy event President Trump<\/a> loves. Of course, it was a huge as your previous guests noted, it was a huge victory on for show and for prestige for chairman kim, but from trumps perspective, its exactly the kind of big show, big splashy thing. Looks good on television. Makes him look like the big man doing new things across the world that is the image he wants to project. It is also true that this while this personal diplomacy has not borne fruit in the form of a specific reduction in the number, scope, future, or anything else of the north Korean Nuclear<\/a> arsenal and missile program, it has lowered the temperature from what was a really sense moment a year and a half ago, and its kind of time to give a little bit of air to the idea that personal diplomacy night be able to do something that traditional diplomacy hasnt. Yeah. Something else thats lowering the temperature to a degree, the president is somewhat softening his stance on sanctions, floating the possibility of lifting some of them during negotiations. What do you make of that . Its actually the same strategy hes been applying with iran. And which is to dangle the possibility that oh, man, i dont like sanctions either. I think its terrible. I dont want to put sanctions on you. Do what i want and you get the sanctions lifted. That is a different style than previous president s but as a policy matter, its actually not. The policy he has been pursuing is the same. The previous two president s have been pursuing with both countries which is were going to sanction you to the hilt unless and until you do what we want. Okay. Ann, stay there. After the break were going to be joined by Charlie Savidge<\/a> of the New York Times<\/a> and were going to talk about ivanka trump, her role at the g20 summit, and this video thats getting lots of reaction. Ing lon along with support, chantix is proven to help you quit. With chantix you can keep smoking at first and ease into quitting. Chantix reduces the urge so when the day arrives, youll be more ready to kiss cigarettes goodbye. When you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix, you may have nicotine withdrawal symptoms. 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If thousands of personnel politics, and this is the game that these folks play, they put something out there, giving voice to the racist, you know, utterances about senator harris. You know, we need to dispel them immediately and condemn them and not give them anymore life. Theyre disgusting. Joe biden clashed with harris on the debate stage defending her on twitter saying its disgusting and we have to call it out when we see it. Racism has no place in america. Joining me now charlie savage, also ann geran. Charlie, how would you charac r characterize the attacks against senator harris . Whats the point behind them . I suppose its to suppress enthusiasm among black voters for senator harris, the notion being wouldnt see her as one of them, and to that extent, it might accrue to the benefit of cory booker who is trying not to touch this. I think in american politics we see at the local level there can be tensions among different faks in a place like miami where haitian versus traditional African Americans<\/a> see their communities as unique. In the same way you might see irish versus italians in parts of the country. At the national level, it doesnt seem to matter at all, and obviously barack obama was also not the descendent of american slaves nature that didnt suppress enthusiasm for him. This whole thing seems tan genital he deleted it saying people were misconstruing it. How does donald trump seem to get caught in the middle of the controversies . Why does this happen . He puts himself in the middle of them. I dont think he was caught there at all. I think he knew exactly what he was doing when he retweeted that. In other words, he knows he has three and a half million followers . Correct. And that tweet was a powerful message to a number of constituencies that he wants to reach, and he knows there will be News Coverage<\/a> of it will which amplify the outrage and reach a number of constituencies that wont be reading his twitter feed. That seems intentional to me. I cant say for certain because i dont know the man personally, but one would assume a social media savvy person as he is who is also part of his fathers reelection campaign, hes the main warmup act now, knows and a huge mufundraiser on his fathers behalf, he knows what he is doing when he tweets and when he deletes it. I want to show you a clip from social media. Its hard to make out whats being said, but its the image itself thats drawing scrutiny. Lets watch. And the same with the defense line in terms of okay. Now, im asking you, ann, first, is this kind of odd to me . Im curious what credentials ivanka trump has to be among that group of people, the president of france, the british prime minister, although we know the standing is changing. Theresa may, the president of the imf. Its an extraordinary grouping there, and by the way, aoc commented that being the daughter of someone is not a job qualification. Yeah. Ivanka trump played a very interesting different role on this trip. Melania trump, the first lady did not go, and so ivanka was sort of the kind of almost the first lady figure in some of her engagements but she also was there on behalf of the initiative that she runs, but there is really only one event that was specifically about that at the g20. So what was she doing going to lots of other things and making sure she was in pictures or seen going in and out of meetings and so forth. And then today, she and Jared Kushner<\/a> were with the president when they stepped into north korea which seems a little odd to a lot of career diplomats. She said it was surreal. Right. I mean, there are only a really small number of american who is have set foot in north korea. Shes now one of them which is interesting since she doesnt have a specific background in diplomacy and not in that tricky bit of diplomacy. Charlie, final word to you. Your thoughts on this video . So everyone is talking about it because of the side eye that the head of the imf gave when ivanka tried to interject herself into that conversation. To me it takes me back to one of the original controversies of the Trump Administration<\/a> the first day where trump was inaugurated. They put out a Justice Department<\/a> memo that said that antinepotism laws would no longer stop the president from appointing close relatives to white house positions, a law that had been in place since 1967 after john kennedy made his brother attorney general and it stopped others from appointing relatives even to inconsequential advisory committees. 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Can i get your take on the significance of all this . What do you think . Well, first of all, you can never i dont want to take a shot at anything thats an effort toward peace. So and it was very significant. I have been to the dmz, and quite frankly, its one of the if ive ever felt like i was looking at evil or meeting evil, that is something i still hold in my heart. Thats what i want everyone to remember. Kim jongun is still a tyrant. He executed the last person that was the negotiator for negotiations between the United States<\/a> and north korea. So i want to be optimistic but im also a realist. I want this to be more than a photo opportunity. North korea still has i dont want anything to happen thats going to legitimize them toward being a nuclear power. What would progress look like to you . Well, i want to see them stop Testing Nuclear<\/a> weapons. We want to make sure japan is safe and they dont have shortrange Nuclear Weapons<\/a>. I would like to know anyone who negotiates with the United States<\/a> is going to be safe from being murdered. We have to look at what the people in north korea, their circumstances theyre living under. These prison camps. The execution of many people. The treatment of many people. So theres a long road ahead, but the fact of the matter is steve baggen, the lead negotiate or the for the United States<\/a>, actually spent time here in michigan, worked for ford. I have a great deal of respect for him. Id like to i always try to be hopeful, but i also am a realist. Uhhuh. Lets look at what happened on friday with the president meeting with russian president Vladimir Putin<\/a> appearing to joke about interfering with election. Lets listen to the president defending that exchange with putin. You have to take a look at the words i did say, and then we had a discussion. We had a great actually, we had a great discussion. President putin and myself. I thought it was really a tremendous discussion. Russia, russia, russia. Isnt it crazy . You know he denies it totally. How many times can you get somebody to deny something. Your reaction to the president in total there . I dont do well on making a joke about russian interference in our elections. And if youve read the mueller report, you know that there is no doubt, its spelled out in no Uncertain Terms<\/a> that russia tried to interfere in our 2016 election. We are already hearing from many of our different Law Enforcement<\/a> officials that they are trying to do the same thing. So making a joke out of these thugs trying to interfere in our country is not okay with me to be frank. We have the house passing securing americas federal elections act. That would require measures to help avoid interference in the election. Does this go up for a vote in the senate and if it makes it to the president s desk, are you concerned about whether or not he signs it . Especially after he handled the subject at g20 . I would like to see the senate take up securing our elections. There are many different pieces of this. Ive had my own bill last year that would just say we should have paper ballots so if we need to do recounts, they would be safe. We need to make sure were giving enough money to the states so we can secure the election process. So i know that senators in both parties have expressed their concern. Id like to see them take it up. Im always going to be positive. Failure to do so is a threat to our democracy. I would hope the president would sign Something Like<\/a> that. And if the American People<\/a> speak loud enough, maybe hell feel the pressure to do so. One more question on the topic of russia with robert mueller. Finally set to testify before two house panels next month. Whats the number one question you want your colleagues to ask him . Do you believe that there was obstruction of justice . And id like him to answer it for the American People<\/a>. You know, im going to see this to you, alex. I think a lot of people havent read this report. Im home. You know that. I come home every weekend. I was out all day yesterday at festivals, car cruises, and a town hall meeting. I had people that came to the town hall meeting and interrupted it to call for impeachment. But ill tell you there were more people yesterday some were nice. Some werent so nice, about dont impeach. They have very strong feelings, and i spent a day like i did yesterday in my district, and it was the same kind of feeling that made me predict what could happen two and a half years ago. This country is torn. What i want to see at the mueller testimony is facts that all the American People<\/a> can hear and make their determination about what happened. And i think a lot of americans havent read that report. I think that mueller testimony will be watched. 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And donald trump has once again hes taken away the thunder from Everything Else<\/a> well be talking about about the debate probably later on in the next segment, but he has taken this and owned the new cycle again with achieving absolutely nothing. I get that theres two sides if you should be talking to him or not, meaning kim, but i still its still shocking he would basically come out and say theres been success while they just met. Your point is well taken. On the flip side, does the president deserve some credit for going to this length hes trying to start denuclearization talks . Well, look, talking is better than shooting. Photo bombing is better than real bombing. So, okay, fine. Lets give him credit that after almost starting a war in 2017 with all of his talk of fire and fury, hes now stepped back from the brink. Nice. Im glad hes done that. We sleep a little bit easier. But this is not progress. It doesnt represent anything except more of a Reality Tv Show<\/a>. So we have to wait until he actually delivers something before we can call it historic. Just because he stepped over the dmz and no president has done that, you know, in 50 years, no president has been to a lot of places. So its a footnote in history. Its not truly historic. It would make the footnotes. Okay. But you have to wait and see whether it leads to something. And the idea of kim who has now gotten what he wanted which is recognition, the stature that comes with being on the same stage repeatedly with the president when he has a gdp thats the size of a small back ward african country, hes got what he wants. Why would he now make a whole series of other concessions . What is in it for him to back down further . So i think he wont do anything to enflame the situation, but i cant see him limiting his Nuclear Weapons<\/a> at this point. Roland, the president , is he suggesting that he could look, this is the equivalent of me taking a selfie with oprah and saying i had a one on one interview with her. Thats all this is. Donald trump is not a man of substance. Donald trump is not a man who likes details. He is a reality show person. Thats all he wants. He just wants the headlines. He just wants the attention. And so inviting a north Korean Leader<\/a> to the white house does the exact same thing. What is it what has been achieved . Nothing. Nothing. Nothing of substance, and then, of course, north korea continues to build their program and he says oh, no, no, no theyre not. Things are changing. We have to understand the man that were dealing with. Hes a narcissist. He only wants the attention. And so tomorrow look at the New York Times<\/a> headlines, hes going to say see, wasnt that great . Thats what matters. Thats what we have to understand about this man. Okay. 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Here is Julian Castro<\/a> and what he had to say earlier. This is the game that these folks play. They put something out there, you notice what he did, he tweeted it out and then he fl t deleted it, like a coward, so he can say that is just a mistake, but he knows what hes doing. Hes giving voice to these racist, you know, utterances about senator harris. Lets bring the panel back in. Jonathan, susan and roland. Roland, you first. Don jr. s spokesman said that don sweet was simply asking him if it was true that Kamala Harris<\/a> was halfindian because it is not something he had ever heard before. Once he saw folks were miss construing the intent he quickly deleted it. What do you make of this . Donald trump jr. Is frado and clearly cant read a bio. All he has to do is read the i would owe of senator Kamala Harris<\/a> and you will understand her background. He is probably the dumbest of all the trump children. But here is the real issue here, the attacks on senator Kamala Harris<\/a> blackness really started the moment she announced. Where its really coming from, this is black selfhate cloaked in black selflove. There are people out there who are saying that because she is not a descendant of slaves, she really cant speak to the black experience. They dismiss the fact that she went to hbcu, this he dismiss her actual background. Thats the real issue here. There are black people out there that say obama didnt do in you have for africanamericans. What theyre not doing is demanding policy questions, theyre questioning her blackness. You may have some fools out there who are black, especially a lot of black men, who are criticizing her because her husband is white and so i understand that folks are talking about donald trump jr. Retweeting this, but really youve got some asinine black folks out there who are the ones who are questioning her blackness and they are shameful and they are despicable and they should be called out at every turn. Why do you, susan, think that the trumps keep wading into this territory . We can specifically focus on don jr. Well, don jr. Doesnt the apple doesnt fall far from the tree. Thats exactly what his father would do. He put out these comments and likes to stir the pot, to rolands comments. He is kind of frado but i dont give him that much credit probably. Hes stoking the fire and thinks he knows what hes doing in these things and clearly he does not. All he wants to do is provoke a certain part of Donald Trumps<\/a> base out there and then say, oops, im sorry. Well, that doesnt cut it. Id like to say one thing about senator harris. I was watching her up there and i was it was great to see a woman being up there, having the debate she had, and i understand the importance of her race and her sex and what it means to a lot of young women out there, but what i saw was the only candidate acting president ial who i could see going up and meeting with World Leaders<\/a> and having a conversation. I think she just she went in there prepared and she now has a lot of people surprised and shocked and they dont know what to do with it. If not going up in a debate. Right. I mean, that would be an extraordinary thing if she went up in a debate against donald trump. Yeah. Theres that. So, jonathan, he says he deletes the tweet, we are back to donald trump skrujr. , cannoto the impact of it. Talk about the kind of damage it does when you put these ideas out there. So anybody can now drop anything into the bloodstream, but this is not just about donald trump jr. , you know, there was a story about how these republicans are putting up these fake websites about democrats. So theyve decided that whether on twitter, on this issue or on against other candidates, they are going to try to disrupt the democratic primaries. Now, what does that remind you of, alex . Who are the last people who tried to disrupt one of our elections . Russians. Bob mueller indicted more than a dozen of them for using social media to try to disrupt our elections. This time were going to see what you might call russian republicans who will be doing this between now and november of 2020, and the public is going to have to be informed that you have people in our own country, republicans, who are acting like, you know, russian agents basical basical basically so heing dis prupgs in our the africans out there who want to see the black agenda, that is fair, but to have this purity test for senator Kamala Harris<\/a> is shameful. They should be called out and africanamerican leaders, civil rights leaders, the black caucus and others should be challenging these folks because it is ridiculous. What they are doing, they are actually trying to suppress the vote and dont be surprised if you see russia in 2020 pick up on this, forming dissent within the black community and, again, if you want to challenge senator harris on policies, do so, but do not dare question the issue of blackness because if you do you cant talk about congresswoman shirley chis em, you cant talk about malcolm x, harry belafonte, colin powell, eric holder. Many faerns who have family from the african dis pra like senator harris. I want to pick up on one of your points. Im not sure all the people tweeting this material are even black. You have a lot of people who are fake. 2016 you saw russians and republican operatives trying to get africanamericans to not vote for Hillary Clinton<\/a>. So theres a lot of people who are not who they say they are. John, a lot of these folks are black. Jonathan, ive been dealing with them since february. Some of them are, not even. They even questioned my blackness because my paternal greatgrandparents migrated from haiti. Those folks who are black, who are doing it shame on all of you. Question her policies, but dont you dare question her blackness. In 2016 a lot of them were russian. I know. They were russian sofing dissent in the black community. Thank you so much. Have a good 4th, guys. A new video of ivanka trump at the g20 function, its raising questions like what is she doing there . Its raising questions like what is she doing there . Its been a long time since andrew dusted off his dancing shoes. Luckily denture breath will be the least of his worries. Because he uses polident 4 in 1 cleaning system to kill 99. 99 of odor causing bacteria. Polident. Clean. Fresh. And confident. Woman on phone discover. Hi. Do you have a travel card . Yep. Our miles card. Earn unlimited 1. 5 miles and well match it at the end of your first year. Nice im thinking about a scuba diving trip. Woman ooh gasp or not. 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Speed is not the object, we want to see if we can do a really capri help sieve good deal. This was a very legendary, very historic day. Quick notice, nobody saw this coming. And speaking with president moon, oftentimes he was saying this is historic, just the meeting is historic. A lot has already come up because you see whats going on and you see whats happening and you see the level of relationship as opposed to the way it was when i came into office. When i came into office it was a fiery mess. A north Korean Defector<\/a> later told nbc news there is zero chance kim will give up Nuclear Weapons<\/a>. Nbcs Jackie Mackey<\/a> frayer is in seoul with more on all of this. Janice, what came of that meeting ultimately between the two . Reporter it isnt exactly clear what the two men talked about, but it was expected to last a couple of minutes, President Trump<\/a> had initially said, but then went on for nearly an hour. So there were some obvious issues of substance that were being addressed. Kim jongun also likely airing his grievances and disappointment with how the hanoi summit ended when he went home empty handed and somewhat embarrassed that the u. S. Had not agreed to some sort of sanctions relief. President trump, however, feels that its game on again, that negotiations will soon get back on track with new teams of negotiators, probably within two to three weeks. Here is more of what he had to say about todays meeting. We had a very productive meeting. I outlined the incredible prosperity that awaits north korea when this whole thing gets settled. I have been talking about this for a long time. But thats a country with tremendous potential. Reporter the golden question, of course, does it all mean something . Is it more than just a photo op for both men to try to score points at home . There is the sense that a reset button has been pushed, that this takes us back to where we were about 15 months ago, however, north korea still not agreeing to give up its Nuclear Weapons<\/a>, still adding to its stockpiles and within the last couple of months has already resumed testing of shortrange missiles and weapons, something the u. S. Does not seem to care about. This was a Public Relations<\/a> win for kim jongun. He can hold this up as further validation that he is, in fact, a world leader, an international player, a man who President Trump<\/a> asked specifically to meet him and President Trump<\/a> himself said to kim jongun today that in showing up he made them both look good. Alex . Janis Mackey Frayer<\/a> in seoul, thank you very much for that. Joining me now adam mounts and joe racincioni. Gentlemen, with a welcome to you both. Joe, im going to go to you here first. Do you think the offer as the president put it of incredible prosperity is enough to convince kim to give up his countrys nukes . You add in perhaps a president ial visit there at the white house. No, it isnt, alex. Ive been watching your coverage all afternoon, its been excellent covering all angles on this. As you and others have pointed out, this was a Public Relations<\/a> win for the president and for kim that dominates the news cycle on an important sunday afternoon. What its not for either man. Kim wants not just publicity or legitimacy, he needs sanctions relief, he needs the president of the United States<\/a> to relieve some of those sanctions. What does trump want . More than a oneday story he needs a Foreign Policy<\/a> victory. His Foreign Policy<\/a> agenda has been in tatters, he has nothing significant to point to. With this exception, he could get an interim deal with north korea that could dismantle part not just freeze but dismantle part of the norths program in exchange for some significant relief. That was on the table at hanoi, both sides overreached, both sides miscalculated. This meeting may have put that deal back on. Interesting. Adam, weigh in on that, the prospect of an interim deal or baby steps, if you will, rather than going for the whole kit and caboodle. I think thats exactly right. Its just not feasible to imagine kim jongun dismantling his entire nuclear and missile arsenals just on the promise of economic sanctions relief in the sort of distant future. These are weapons that he thinks keeps his regime safe from attack, he values them a lot. In fact, the regime has said publicly that they are expanding and mass producing their Nuclear Missile<\/a> arsenals and thats what the intelligence has shown since the start of negotiations. So its not feasible to imagine that we can just jump start talks with the president ial stunt every time they slow down. They need a momentum of their own. And the way to do that is to have interim deals that demonstrate Real Security<\/a> benefits to both countries and that can propel talks onward to bigger and better deals subsequently. You know, joe, the president really appeared to downplay kims most recent weapons test. Lets listen to what he said here. Very small ones, these are missiles that practically every country tests. I mean, these were very we dont consider that a missile test. Actually, it wasnt a test. But were talking about Ballistic Missile<\/a>s, long range Ballistic Missile<\/a>s and not only not testing them, hasnt even come close to testing and most importantly there were no Nuclear Tests<\/a>. Is that accurate, though, that practically every country tests small missiles . Here is the president redefining reality. They tested rockets, okay, those might not be missiles, but they also tested shortrange missiles. Very capable shortrange missiles, Nuclear Capable<\/a> that could strike south korea. Theres president moon standing right next to them who is a winner also by the way in this meeting, it enhances his agenda for peace with north korea, reconciliation with north korea, but he doesnt want the okay, the green light given by the president of the United States<\/a> to keep threatening weapons that can threaten him. The president is right, there are no longrange missile tests, there were no Nuclear Tests<\/a> going on, thats a plus for him, but its far short of what we need. What about your expectations going forward, adam, given the hawkish divide on the president s National Security<\/a> team and how the lower level talks have gone in the past. I mean, there has been speculation that john bolton potentially would be none too pleased with all of this because he has add separated in the past for dont even put a handshake there. Yeah, its definitely a turn around for bolton. The indication right side that trumps team still struggles to make this adjustment towards a more realistic negotiating strategy which is part of why theyve failed to make progress so far. But, look, two things happened yesterday that were important and should have happened a year ago. First, you saw the President Point<\/a> to steve biegun behind him over his shoulder and say this is the guy, this is my negotiator. Thats long overdue. The other thing is that he met with the north and South Koreans<\/a> together, so linking the south korean Peace Process<\/a> with u. S. Negotiations could yield some real dividends. The problem is now all thats left is the hard work. Its this so far i remember rec sill i cant believe problem where kim jongun is not going to eliminate his Nuclear Arsenal<\/a> by the end of trumps first term so we need a more reasonable approach. What, joe, do you think iran is thinking as they look on to all this . Does the president at all send some sort of a message that, hey, having Nuclear Weapons<\/a> puts iran in a more powerful negotiating position because look whats happening with north korea . It does, it sends exactly that message, alex, that if you have Nuclear Weapons<\/a> i will treat you more seriously. I will solicit a meeting with you. But it also tends trumps message which is lets talk. Lets talk. You can gain by having talks. The problem is iran is not north korea. Theyve seen what trump is doing in the region. So unlike north korea, where trump has ratcheted back his threats, ratcheted back military maneuvers, military tensions on the border, in the persian gulf hes increasing them. John bolton is pushing ships into the region, increasing the number of threats. So there is no way that the iranians are going to, as they say, negotiate with a knife to our throat. You are going to have to see a change in Administration Actions<\/a> to get this kind of message to convince the iranians to talk. Adam, with the president appearing to soften somewhat on the idea of sanctions, is there a likelihood that this administration could come around to accept north korea as a Nuclear State<\/a> if, as the president was indicating earlier, they were just small Nuclear Missile<\/a>s . Well, if indeed there is a shift in stance and the administration is willing to continue to consider, you know, at least partial sanctions relief over this sort of step by step process towards a larger nuclear deal, that would be encouraging. The administration has not been willing to make that shift so far. I mean, look, im old fashioned. The president stood on the border with north korea, this brutal gu lag regime where crimes against humanity are taking place day in and day out, invited this dictator to the white house, criticized the press when he was standing there and lied to the American People<\/a> saying the threat has gone away, ive solved it. Im old fashioned. I cant get over that. I think its a huge dereliction of duty. If hes just in this for the political optics its extremely hard to imagine how he could bring about the integrity and the credibility to make Real Progress<\/a> on peace or on arms control. I just want to be clear, the president was not previously referenced small Nuclear Weapons<\/a>, he was references small missiles, but i was wondering if you might accept small Nuclear Weapons<\/a>. Thats what i was referring to. Thank you both so much. Joining now bill co zach and katie wells. Bob, we had the president giving the appearance that this was an impromptu meeting but according to your paper the president told the hill in an exclusive interview back on monday that he might meet with kim. I know there was some information at the time that it was off the record, but did he specifically mention the dmz as well, that that could be the place for the meeting . Yes, we asked him that question because we knew he was about to go on the trip and for security reasons we didnt report it right away at the white houses request, but at the same time telling kind of the back story. I mean, this is something that when this president is thinking about photo ops, hes thinking ahead of time. Not exactly impromptu, but certainly historic. Okay. Im curious about the logistics of this, katie. Can Something Like<\/a> this be organized within, i dont know, 12, 24 hours as the president suggested . Well, i mean, theres certainly huge security concerns associated with a president of the United States<\/a> doing what trump has done, which is to become the first sitting president of the United States<\/a> to step into north korea. Now, we are talking about walking like ten steps into north korea, you know, we are not talking about, oh, he is going to get into an airplane and go to pyongyang, we are talking about literally they meet at this line, shake hands a heavily fortified line, by the way. Right, a heavily fortified line. You have security, major amounts of security on both sides that are standing right there. The question, i think, really is, yes, going to the dmz and having this meeting is a huge security lift, how many bigger is the security lift for having walked ten steps into north korea, thats not as clear to me. Critics say this is all for show, there are supporters arguing this is part of an effort to try to stop north Koreas Nuclear<\/a> program. Is there any way to measure the mekt ichbs of that moment at the dmz right now . Not really. We have had a lot of photo ops over the last 18 months, but as far as deal making, we dont have a deal. It remains to be seen if any deal is going to be taking place. The remainder of this year. Its definitely good that they are not exchanging insults, not called etch auto other dotards like they used to be, but at the same time they have no deal in place. Is the president getting closer . Well, maybe, but we thought that before and we dont have an agreement. I want to go back to the president s remarks, katie, promising north korea prosperity if they denuclearize. Do you think thats a good enough incentive and what would it take for north korea to denuclearize . Theres two different tracks that i think are kind of getting conflated here and one of them has to do with the ratcheting down of tensions, one of them has to do with what is the risk level right now of like some kind of conflict in between the United States<\/a> and north korea and then the other one is as youve alluded to now the actual substantive negotiations over denuclearization. When you Start Talking<\/a> about the second bucket, when you actually Start Talking<\/a> about the negotiations over denuclearization, this is a hugely technical conversation that involves expert negotiators from both sides who sort of have the ability to kind of lay the groundwork, set parameters and set sort of frame works that the president and kim jongun are then going to be able to operate within when theyre actually having these facetoface meetings. Without knowing what trump and kim jongun actually talked about in this 50minute meeting this morning, its very hard to tell whether or not what we have now seen is just, okay, the personal relationship is allowing tensions to ratchet down, maybe changing the domestic political environment a little bit to allow room for the substantive negotiations to go forward again, or whether or not what weve seen is is just the status quo, just ongoing sort of pomp and circumstance, its a photo on that doesnt actually change what each side is asking for. Because, remember, they had kind of a framework that they were working with when they went into the meeting in vietnam and of course as you say, both sides overstepped, nobody everybody sort of walked away from this meeting having not gotten what they were hoping to trade off as the concessions for what they were hoping to get. So has that changed . I dont know. We dont know. We werent in the room. I want to switch gears because both of you are there in d. C. With the Washington Post<\/a> reporting the president wants to include a ticketed access area for vips that would include friends and family in front of the Lincoln Memorial<\/a> on the holiday july 4th. The list of changes is adding up, bob. The president is going to make a speech now. Talk about the perception about all of this in d. C. Well, certainly for trump critics this is the president making him the center of attention. To Trump Supporters<\/a> this is a celebration of america and you should celebrate the president as well. So this is something that the president has talked about a parade for military, now hes focused on july 4th. There have been more preparations than in the past, its getting a lot of local press of closing down fields, a little bit earlier than normal, but without a doubt this july 4th is going to be very political. Absolutely. I mean, the critics are saying, katie, that he is politicizing our National Holiday<\/a> thats for everybody. This is going to also cost a lot in terms of security adjustments and bob was alluding to things they have to close down. What are you hearing in d. C. There . Well, you know, im hearing what im hearing is a mirror of some of the same conversations that were when President Trump<\/a> was weighing the idea of doing a Major National<\/a> military parade that has so impressed him in other countries. The fact of the matter is it is a huge logistical lift, anytime you have the president involved it does significantly raise both the costs and just the practical logistics of putting on xyz event and i think that is going to continue to be kind of the swirling focal point, how much is this going to cost and how complicated is it going to be to get done and is the juice worth the squeeze. Thats a good one. Bob and katie, good to see you both. Thank you and happy 4th to you. 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Joining me now democratic congresswoman interest colorado diana deget, the Ranking Member<\/a> on the subcommittee that oversees the health and Human Services<\/a> department. I understand you did not support this bill. Tell me why. Well, in the end i supported the house bill which gave the much needed emergency aid to the border, but it also set really strong standards for how these kids could be treated in the Border Patrol<\/a> facilities. You know, if president obama was in the white house now it wouldnt be a problem, but under the Trump Administration<\/a> you could give them several billion dollars which would supposedly be going to take care of these kids and under this bill the money could be reprogrammed to Something Else<\/a> and also standards wouldnt have to be set. So if these republicans are so terribly worried about the money going to take care of the kids, they themselves can urge the white house and the administration to make sure that they set strict standards for the care and feeding of these of these migrant children. Congresswoman, talk to me about the politicization of all of this. Do you think at all part of the reason that your party took eight weeks or so to come to an agreement on this border bill is because the president said it was a crisis. I mean, put this into context. Well, the problem that weve had, and it is a very real problem, is that this year there has been a surge in unaccompanied minors. They are coming mostly from Central America<\/a> where you have these terrible conditions, but instead of trying to put together a comprehensive system where the kids could be taken in by the Border Patrol<\/a> and then immediately transferred to the office of refugee resettlement, thats hhs, thats the agency that has the ability to care for the kids. Instead of doing that the administration has just sort of let this let this fester. What needs to happen, i talked to the head of orr last week, they are the ones who know how to take care of kids, but the problem is they are not getting the kids within 72 hours like theyre supposed to. I talked to him and i said why arent you getting the kids . And he said because we dont have the facilities and it just seems to me there is a lack of coordination between the different agencies, the Border Patrol<\/a> and the hhs people who are supposed to be taking care of these kids. They need to fix that. They need to be taking care of the kids from the minute they come into the u. S. Custody and then they need to be reunited with their families as quickly as possible. Is there also an extent of lack of coordination between what nancy pelosi is signaling and what which Chuck Schumer<\/a> is signaling because it has been articulated many different places that theres now some trouble between them because they didnt appear to be on the same page . Well, i thought that the house bill was a better bill in that it set standards for the kids coming in at the borer, but the bottom line is we had to get the money to be able to deal with this surge of children thats coming across and ultimately its not nancy pelosi and Chuck Schumer<\/a>s responsibility to spend that money wisely and take care of the kids, its the administrations responsibility. What im concerned about and one reason i did support the house bill, but even with the senate bill, its several billions of dollars that you could be spending to put together seamless programs that provide good nutrition, good care, tooth brushes and showers and clothing and diapers for these kids at the border. So i understand that the republicans are trying to blame us, but the fact is now the money has been appropriated, now the administration has to put together the programs to make sure that these kids are taken care of. I know that you spoke with the hhs refugee director this past week and you have mentioned this, but what are there, 178 kids, is it, that have been in custody of Border Patrol<\/a> for more than 72 hours . Doesnt that violate the law . Yes, it does. So under the under the Court Agreement<\/a> that was entered into last year, the customs and Border Patrol<\/a> is only supposed to hold children for up to 72 hours and the reason is because theyre not skilled at taking care of those kids. Its really just a processing facility. Then theyre supposed to transfer them to the office of refugee resettlement. And i asked the director why if thats the law do you still have almost 200 kids who have been lang sling there over 72 hours . He didnt have a good answer for me. He said some of those kids it was family units were some were older, some were younger, some of them were sick, but he didnt really have a specific reason why these kids werent being put into the places where they can be taken care of in a humane and comprehensive way. And thats what im upset about is there doesnt seem to be adequate communication between the Government Agencies<\/a> that are supposed to be taking care of these kids. This frankly has been happening, alex, ever since last year when they had the family separation is the right hand is not talking to the left hand. So how long is it going to take to get these kids blankets, soap, tooth brushes and get them what they need . So what we need to do is even though the senate bill didnt say you have to give them blankets, soap and truth brushes, common sense would tell you that you need to do this. Humanity would tell you you need to do this. And so i and many of my colleagues in congress, we intend to stay laser like focused on this to make sure these children are treated in a humane way and that theyre transferred appropriately and that theyre reunited with their family members. As you said, im the chair of the oversight subcommittee, ive been having ongoing hearings in my committee since february. We had a hearing in february, were having an Ongoing Investigation<\/a> with the possibility of more hearings to make sure that these kids are treated with dignity and that they are put into homes where they can be reunited with their families. Staying on the job certainly. Colorado congresswoman diana degree get. Thank you so much. Twitter attacks against senator Kamala Harris<\/a> bring her 2020 democratic rivals to her defense. We will show you who helped spread some of the misinformation. Ho helped spread some of the misinformation when crabe stronger. Strong, with new nicorette coated ice mint. Layered with flavor. Its the first and only coated nicotine lozenge. For an amazing taste. That outlasts your craving. New nicorette ice mint. Oh oh oh ozempic\u00ae announcer people with type 2 diabetes are excited about the potential of onceweekly ozempic\u00ae. 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Shes here in San Francisco<\/a>, she was just born across the bay over in oakland but went on to serve as San Francisco<\/a> district attorney, california state attorney general. We are here at the pride parade here in San Francisco<\/a>, she just wrapped up remarks over at the pride annual breakfast. I want to play for you a little bit of what she said when it comes to her history with Lgbt Community<\/a> as well as the contrast with president donald trump. The current occupant of the white house has no appreciation, probably no interest clearly and probably no knowledge of this history. Of this work. He says he wants to make America Great<\/a> again. Again for whom . Back before couples could marry, all couples . Back before gay couples could adopt . Well, im running for president because were not going back. Reporter Kamala Harris<\/a> is thought of highly here in california among lgbt advocates going back to back to back when california voters passed proposition 8 in 2008, it essentially banned samesex marriages in the state. Kamala harris became the attorney general of california and chose not to defend that case. It ultimately went to the supreme court, another federal court ruled that samesex marriages should be legal here in the state of california and that ultimately spun off into samesex marriages being able to take place here in california. Kamala harris will be joining the rally here shortly, riding through the streets of San Francisco<\/a> in a red mustang convertible here through the streets of San Francisco<\/a>. To go with that snazzy jacket that she was wearing as well. Its a big parade there, we have a big one in new york as well, probably the two biggest in the country. Vaughn hillyard, thank you so much from San Francisco<\/a>. 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The president announcing both sides agreeing to resume denuclearization talks. Lets bring in msnbc contributor adrian elrod, former Senior Advisor<\/a> to Hillary Clintons<\/a> campaign. Democratic strategic don callaway and former nevada state gop chairwoman air tarkanian. Amy, begin the cost we heard director morell outline there, do you think the president gave up too much by this photo op because there is no guarantee this is going to lead to any different results than the two previous summits they have held. Right. Thats very true. There is no guarantee. North korea has never given us a guarantee historically. So i think the fact that the president has made history by being the first sitting president to cross the dmz line i think it is a great start. You even have the pope appraising his encounter. If you go back to 2008 president obama himself said how important it was to have open communication with our adversaries. So i think this is a good thing. Okay. What about you, don . I mean, the president calls this progress. Are you going to give him any credit for being the first sitting u. S. President to set foot into north korea . No. The answer is no. I just dont understand like why . What are we getting out of this . This is not the first time they have met, this is the third time they have met. Republicans are supposedly the party of fiscal conservatism, how much did it cost for him to go to the Demilitarized Zone<\/a> just to get a photo op with kim jongun. Again, why . They didnt have dee militarization talks, this he didnt have talks about advancing human rights and this is a known human rights dictator and violator. I just dont understand why. It continues to be the charade, the Television Presidency<\/a> and it makes no sense to me from a substantive level. Im curious a green, why you are perspective. President trump floating an invitation for kim jongun to come to the white house. Here is how he later explained those comments. Take a listen to what he said. Well, i just asked him outside, i said, do you know what, at the right time youre going to come over, we will go over there. We have a ways to go yet. Well see. But i would i would certainly extend the invite, but i actually mentioned out there in front of the press, i said, anytime he wants to do it, but i think we want to take this down to the next step. Lets see what happens. So potentially validating kim jongun by bringing him to the white house. Whats your thought on this approach . Do you endorse this or no . No, of course not, alex, i absolutely dont endorse it and i agree completely with what don said that this was clearly trump is trying to have some made for tv moment by, you know, costing u. S. Taxpayer dollars, god knows how much money, to create secure conditions for him to actually cross no north korea. I mean, that alone is so, you know, distasteful and disgusting for an actual sitting u. S. President to do and then to take it one step further and inviting the most murderous dictator in the entire world to say, oh, hey, come to the white house whenever you want torques its an open door, we welcome you to our Nations Capital<\/a> to the white house, i mean, i just it violates everything that the United States<\/a> president should do in this kind of situation and i also have to say, alex, he better get some sort of thiel on denuclearization out of this because for him to go into north korea, which is so unprecedented, which is unprecedented, and then to say you can come to the white house, you know, we are just setting up a situation here that completely is illogical to any sort of past Foreign Policy<\/a>, you know, precedent sets that u. S. President s have taken. em a, given the description of who kim jongun is, add that to, lets say it was president obama who had done this and stepped foot into north korea and then subsequently invited this dictator to the white house to join him, wouldnt republicans be up in arms about this . Some would be, yes, and some actually were even when president obama, like i mentioned earlier, when he said how important it was to keep conversation open with add varies such as iran and syria. Some republicans were upset with that. I was not one of them, but i do agree with adrian and don as far as inviting this murderous dictator to the white house, i dont think that was necessary. I like the idea how they did previously where they could go meet on a different neutral turf. Yes, absolutely. And we already know, too, that kim jongun he is somebody who is very paranoid. So i dont even know if he would actually take that offer up, even went so far as to have his toilets checked, would only travel on a certain train and has a very old plane from what i understand. I dont evan auto know if he would be able to make it over here. I do not like the fact that the president does praise him in the manner that he does. I think he goes overboard. But i still like the fact that at least he has his ear. Let me ask you guys whats playing out on the world stage. Ivanka trump raising eyebrows because she had some pretty high profile positioning at the g20. In this video shes seen talking with emanuel macron, justin trudeau, theresa may, Christine Lagarde<\/a>, three heads of state and one who heads the mif. What do you make of optics around her role there . Don, you first, then adrian. Its just stomach churning. The thing about impostor syndrome that it rarely inflicts the actual imposters. Here you have some of the titans of the world, Christine Lagarde<\/a> is one of the smartest human beings in the world. Theresa may, emanuel macron, these are actual elected, in lagardes case appointed word leaders. Ivanka trump is none of that. Shame on her dad that he graves her this access. Is it a security question . Is she qualified to be talking World Leaders<\/a>hip in the direction of peoples actual lives, the lives of nations. This is really actually an embarrassment. Its also just inn cred clee nonselfaware on ivankas part to even put had errself in that position and to talk about womens rights and things of that nature, what about the women, the kids, the girls who are locked up in cages, what about those mothers who are looking for their kids. Worry about that back home. This is really just embarrassing. Last word to you, adrian. Yeah, i mean, alex, i completely agree with don and i think ivanka likes to put herself in situations where, you know, she is high fluting around with World Leaders<\/a> and the Christine Lagarde<\/a>s of this world, but what she needs to be doing is exactly what don just mentioned which is going town to the border, visiting these families, trying to help reunite children with their families at the border. But thats not the photo on that shes looking for. She wants to be grandstanding with some of the top leaders in the world which she has no qualifications to do. You guys, sit tight. Were going to have another chat on the other side of a break. This one will be about the new attacks against Kamala Harris<\/a> and who in the trump family helped spread them. S and who in the trumpam fily helped spread them cravings com, be stronger. With new nicorette coated ice mint. Layered with flavor. Its the first and only coated nicotine lozenge. For an amazing taste. That outlasts your craving. 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Now to 2020 rivals uniting to defend senator Kamala Harris<\/a> today. Donald trump jr. Right at the center of the controversy after this retweet about her race which he later detweeted. Castro blasting him in these new comments. This is the game that these folks play. They put something out there. You notice what he did. He tweeted it out, and then he deleted it like a coward so he could say, oh, that was just a mistake. But he knows what hes doing. Hes giving voice to these racist, you know, utterances about senator harris. They are back with me. Dawn, lets take a look at what don jr. s spokesman told nbc news and the New York Times<\/a>. Dons tweet was simply asking if it was true that Kamala Harris<\/a> was half indian because its not something he had ever heard before. Once he saw folks were misconstruing the intent of his tweet, he quickly deleted it. But hes got 3. 5 million plus twitter followers. Shouldnt he know better . Hes also got a whole bunch of people he can ask. And hes also got access to the google machine, just like i do, if he really wants to know Kamala Harris<\/a>s ethnic underpinnings. He need not crowd source it. Lets be clear about something. This is an attempt to otherwise Kamala Harris<\/a> now that she has emerged as a legitimate threat to the president. But reasonable adults can hold more than one thing in their mind at one time. Kamala harris is entirely black. Shes entirely indian. Shes entirely american and shes also entirely excellent. It is a heinous idea to decide what blackness is when blackness and black people are not monolithic. It is an attempt to otherwise her much in the same way we saw barack obama happened in 2008 with the birtherism stuff. Don jr. Knows better. But i have no expectations of anything reasonable or righteous coming out of his mouth or off his thumbs. We saw Kamala Harris<\/a> at the pride parade in downtown San Francisco<\/a>. Amy, what do you think don jr. s intention was there . If he really wanted to know what her ethnic background was, he actually could have just googled it. Right. No, he very well could have. And i think unfortunately, and i myself, im guilty of this sometimes. Sometimes my fingers are a little too itchy, a little too quick. And maybe you have regrets about what you tweeted. Maybe thats why he deleted it. But he is in the public eye more so than myself, so, yes, he three million follows did see that. I dont think he intended on it coming across as racist. It was a legitimate question. But, yes, he could have found it out without doing that route. You dont think there was something more sin ter about that like putting out a message . I didnt talk to him about it. And i would hope not. How about that . Okay. Why do we, adrian, keep finding the trumps embroiled in these controversies . You know why . Because they used these tactics before. And to an extent they actually worked. It is blatant racism. But i think this was absolutely intentional by don trump jr. Just as muches a his fathers blata blatant, you know, attempts to exploit birtherism and turn it into this ridiculous Conspiracy Theory<\/a> that sadly was talked a lot about in 2008. They are trying to do the same thing now. They also see Kamala Harris<\/a> as a threat. They see strong women as a threat. This is what they did to Hillary Clinton<\/a> at a totally different level. Were seeing them use racism to hurt Kamala Harris<\/a>. Listen, i dont see the two of you as being a threat. I welcome you ladies on to the show all the time. Adrian and amy and don as well, thank you guys so much. Have a good 4th, my friends. President trump visits the dmz and talks into north korea. The questions and criticism about what hes actually accomplishing. Ing. Liberty mutual customizes your Car Insurance<\/a>, so you only pay for what you need. Nice but uh, whats up with your partner . 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Its the top of the hour. Thats a wrap here on weekends with alex with my colleague. We will continue all our coverage right now. Have a great 4th of july. Happy 4th to you, too. Good afternoon to everyone there. President trump and chairman kim together again. The leaders meeting in the dmz and President Trump<\/a> taking the few historic steps inside north korea. We met and we like each other from day one. And","publisher":{"@type":"Organization","name":"archive.org","logo":{"@type":"ImageObject","width":"800","height":"600","url":"\/\/ia903008.us.archive.org\/6\/items\/MSNBCW_20190630_160000_Weekends_With_Alex_Witt\/MSNBCW_20190630_160000_Weekends_With_Alex_Witt.thumbs\/MSNBCW_20190630_160000_Weekends_With_Alex_Witt_000001.jpg"}},"autauthor":{"@type":"Organization"},"author":{"sameAs":"archive.org","name":"archive.org"}}],"coverageEndTime":"20240617T12:35:10+00:00"}