Contenders. And the ice raids. Takes on the timing and optics and now theres new fallout. The battle for iowa. Democrats descend on the hawkeye state. Its turning into an Amusement Park ride for many candidates. The new ups and downs coming up next. We begin with details on the death of Jeffrey Epstein. The investigation into exactly how the wealthy man died. Joining me now julie brown and ken delaney and National Security and intelligence reporter. Ken, lets start with you. What more are we learning about epsteins final night in. Morgan, multiple federal Law Enforcement officials have told nbc news that epstein hanged himself and theres no indication that foul play is suspected. He was housed in a special housing unit where there were bed sheets, a window sill and bed posts. There were ample opportunities for him to have committed suicide. There is an investigation after the attorney general said he was appalled this could happen in federal custody. The rules called for checks to be made on inmates in that facility every 30 minutes. And whats being investigated now is whether those folks, in fact, happened every 30 minutes or whether he was left alone for longer than that. You talk about the checks. Something im confused on. Given the guidelines under which federal prisons operate, how unusual is it, ken, would it have been to take epstein off of a suicide watch just six days after an apparent attempt . This is the big question that no one has been able to answer. We know the rules say that he would have had to have been evaluates by a Mental Health evaluation in order for him to be taken off suicide watch. Our sources say it happened. The question is did he fool this person . Theres many allegations that he fooled many people in his life for a long time. Was this the last person that he fooled in order to get taken off suicide watch . On suicide watch, he would have been watched every second and experts say there would have been almost no opportunity for him to have taken his own life. Julie, you had new reporting on this. The manhattan u. S. Attorney credited your work with getting the accusers to talk and being helpful in securing that new york indictment. The headline of your piece was the easy way out. How does this reflect how the accusers feel about his death . Well, they feel angry, shocked. Once again, they feel theyve epstein manipulated the system as he did all through the whole time this case was being investigated starting in 2006. He managed to manipulate the entire criminal Justice System through his incarceration. If he was able to persuade someone in the jail there to give him a favor, to take him off of suicide watch, i mean, its really not a surprise to the victims because thats what hes done all these years. You said it wasnt a surprise to the victims. Given your reporting, was it a surprise to you . Well, when i say it wasnt a surprise, i mean its not a surprise looking back on just looking at the fact that somehow he probably got some kind of allowance to get off of suicide watch. That part of it. I think everybody is shocked that he was able to execute it, that he should have probably been watched a little more carefully. At least since his suicide watch was recently lifted, you would think they would have been checking on him a little more closely. One of the women that you interviewed actually spoke to one of the sunday shows. Lets take a little listen to that. I really wanted justice. I really wanted him to take up for what he did and to be put in jail or prison and have to sit there and think about what it is he exactly did to so many people. Julie, given what youve learned, do you think the alleged victims will get any form of justice . I sense the u. S. Attorney Jeffrey Berman in new york is pretty resolute in his effort to find justice for these victims. And i certainly with all the documents that were released the other day, theres a lot of angles for him to pursue. There is so much information in those documents and we have thousands and thousands of more documents that are probably going to be released. There are so many threads of information and evidence and testimony and witnesses that are contained in those documents that he has a lot to work with there. One of the most chilling pieces, ken, that i heard was when one of the victims said that she was recruited. Whats the likelihood that the victims will see the conspirators or coconspirators held account snbl. We dont know for sure, but that seems to be what the u. S. Attorney in new york is saying. The investigation will continue and theres a question of conspiracy of whether anyone else is culpable in the crimes. If thats the case, the victims are certainly expecting to see some justice. Ken, julie, thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate seeing you this afternoon. Also new this hour, democratic president ial hopefuls are criticizing President Trump for retweeting a Conspiracy Theory about the death of accused six trafficker Jeffrey Epstein. A comedian wrote the tweet but offering no evidence for his claim. Now that accusation is being amplified to the president s 63 million followers. This is just more recklessness. What hes doing is dangerous. Hes giving life to conspiracy theories and whipping people up into anger and worse against different people in this country, and so this is a tired way that the president does. Hes been using the clintons as a means for a lot of his false accusations. This is another example of our president using this position of public trust to attack his political enemies with unfounded conspiracy theories and also to try to force you and me and all of us to focus on his bizarre behavior instead of the fact that we just lost 22 people in this community, nine people in dayton, ohio. Those were 2020 president ial candidates senator booker and beto oroarke. We are now following the president in berkeley heights, new jersey. Mike, the white house is also reacting to this. Whats the latest word from the Trump Administration . Reporter well, right. And white house officials are put on the defensive. We have not seen the president over the course of this weekend. He is at his golf course. He calls this a working vacation. We have heard from him. Multiple tweets this including the very controversial tweet. The retweet of the unsub tanchuated conspiracy theories somehow counselor Kellyanne Conway as she frequently does on the sunday shows defending the president. She praised the attorney general bill barr for quickly launching that investigation from the Inspector General at the department of justice. The fbi also investigating all the questionable activities. All the questionable decisions that were made by federal authorities at that lockup in new york that ken and julie were just talking about. But she was also asked very directly about how she could defend what the president was doing in terms of the retweet of unsubstantiated allegations smearing both Hillary Clinton and bill clinton. I think the president just wants everything to be investigated, and trying to connect the president to this monster from years ago where theyre seen dancing in a video versus people who were actively i suppose flying around with this monster on his island which was known as pedophilia island, perhaps theres a Public Interest in knowing more about that. This is speculative. Its not for me to go further than the doj is right now. You hear different people asking questions and they want to know who else was involved in epsteins crimes or even just activities, and i guess that will be revealed in time. Okay. Reporter we all know friday there was a massive legal documents that named names for some people who had flown to the island that Kellyanne Conway referred to there. Bill clinton through his spokesman i think for the record denied he was ever on the island that was owned by epstein. Also the president as was referred to by Kellyanne Conway seen a couple times in two different pieces of video with Jeffrey Epstein apparently at parties having a good time. The president said he had a falling out a long time ago with Jeffrey Epstein and they had not communicated in a very long time. And mike, its interesting. When you look at the big picture, you hear Kellyanne Conway talking about the fact that these are speculative claims and also demeaning the fake news. But retweeting something that was unsubstantiated. Thank you for joining us live from new jersey. Joining me now, an attorney who represented three epstein accusers ten years ago and one now. They were minors at the time of the alleged acts. Spencer, thank you for joining us this afternoon. You spoke to one of your clients after epstein died. What was her reaction . Theres a certain amount of shock, obviously, with this happening and such rapid succession with the arrest and obviously his own suicide. So theres that. But in addition to that, theres some relief. Obviously on behalf of not only her but other potential victims that could have occurred in the future. Shes relieved he wont be able to do it again. She was skeptical the system would do the right thing this time. This is a woman now. She was a very young girl at the time. And she saw a system that ran awry 12 years ago and allowed this guy to get out and continue to perpetrate crime against other victims. She was skeptical that the system would do the right thing this time. There is a certain amount of relief that he will never get out again and never do this to another victim again. You describe this balance between relief and skepttism. While you were advocating for your clients, did you interact with epstein or get to know him at all . Sadly, i did have to interact with him. I was able to take his deposition, sworn testimony as part of our case. And also private meetings with him to resolve the girls cases. This is a man that always felt he was the smartest person in the room. Whether he was or he wasnt at the time. And he was very vain. He was always vain about his appearance, how others perceived him, which, by the way, makes me kind of skeptical about the fact given his vanity that he wouldven be able to take his own life. He always defended his actions. He always felt as though the girls were volunteering to be with him and wanted to be with him, so, therefore, he was blameless. He was just a very i guess the best word is creepy person to meet, and not someone i wanted to remain in the room with for a long period of time. Thats interesting. You also kind of had this historical context. Take us back 12 years when epstein was basically able to make the sex trafficking charge go away. How did you clients find out and react then . There was a huge amount of shock. I learned about it through a source he was pleading guilty in state court. I literally had to quickly pack up, grab a jacket and run to court to see what was going to happen. When i appeared in court that morning the courtroom was packed. Maria vilifania was present for the plea on behalf of the federal government. He was pleading guilty in state court. After the plea was entered, the court still and the defense still would not allow us to see the nonprosecution agreement. We had to file documents in court and wait six months before that secret agreement which we called the sweet heart deal was uncovered and shown to the lawyers on behalf of the victims nature federal judge as recently as march found that the u. S. Attorneys office violated the federal crimes victims rights act by failing to inform the victims at the time of what was going on. I want to play for you a bit of Jennifer Roses interview with Savannah Guthrie on the today show. Listen to this. I wasnt thinking this is belittling. I was just a lost kid. You know . So i just it just seemed okay. I dont know. And he had suggested he might help you, this promise hanging over all of that . Yeah. So i just said this can only be fen official. You know . This is a good thing. Just stick it through. Spencer, you can see how troubled and conflicted and pained these victims were. These alleged victims were also as young as 14 years old at the time. Is there anything now to suggest that they will, in fact, get justice . Well, the fact that he is now dead, i think is a certain amount of moral justice involved with that. But what i know that at least the victim i recently spoke with that i represent as well as the other girls involved want to see is a full accounting. He was not able to do this alone. The victim you just played, you know, these young girls were brought to the home by other women that he had employed at the time to recruit young women and bring them to the home. Those girls have not been brought to justice yet. Those girls are now women. In addition to the documents that were just released on friday, there are another group of women that were recruiting these girls to bring to the house and the u. S. Government needs to look into those women and hold them accountable as well. Spencer, thank you so much for joining us this afternoon. Its been a pleasure speaking with you. Thank you for having me. Coming up, new fallout from the immigration raids. The head of ice tries to justify separating children from their parents. Plus on this second anniversary of the deadly charlottesville protests, new questions about what role the president may have played in the rise of White Nationalism. Stay tuned. Liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. I wish i could shake your hand. Granted. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. My lady those darn seatbelts got me all crumpled up. Thats ok hey, guys hi mrs. Patterson. Wrinkles send the wrong message. Sorry. 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The timing us was unfortunate. The acting Border Patrols chief was also pressed on the children separated from their parents in the mississippi raids. This is what i. C. E. Did and did not do for the children who were left behind. My colleague reports i. C. E. Did not notify Child Protective Services or schools before the raids. But i. C. E. Agents did notify schools after the raids started and released some parents of young children. They took extraordinary efforts to make sure that when everyone that was apprehended, they had agents dedicated fulltime during this operation that they did nothing but be prepared to reach out to schools, to reach out today care. I. C. E. Took great pains to make sure there were no child dependent care issues ignored. 45 of the people heired released for humanitarian reasons including child care. Lets break down the numbers. From the 480 detained initially, 377 are in custody. 271 were released with a court date and 32 were released because of humanitarian reasons. Listen to how both immigration chiefs responded when asked why hundreds of workers were prosecuted by so far not one of the employers who hired them has been charged. This is a criminal investigation. Of the employers who are exploiting an undocumented work force and skirting our laws. When you do an operation at a work site, you cant ignore the people there without the proper permission of the United States. Its a pending investigation. Theres a criminal search warrant to go in there and collect more intelligence. Lets bring back in mike in berkeley heights, new jersey following the president. Mike, you heard the sound bites we played. The Trump Administration also responding to reports that the Trump Organization is employing undocumented workers. Whats their reaction today . Thats right. And, of course, the reason why were here is because it is close to the president s luxury golf course where he is spending nine days on what is not billed as a summer vacation, but a working vacation. That is one of the facilities talked about, reported on in a Washington Post article yet another in a series of the president s business operations. Of course, now run by his sons. That document the fact that undocumented workers are employed at those facilities. And particular, this post article outlined a group that called themselves to the flinstones sent from facility to facility, including the one near the white house in Northern Virginia where the president frequently goes this weekend and this one in bed minister. The acting head of the cbp, weve heard from him, appeared on the sunday shows. He was asked why, in fact, the president s facilities were not being investigated. In my 25 years, i take offense to say anybody is turning a blind eye to someone that is violating the law. I dont understand why it is that the president s companies, theres headline after headline about them employing undocumented immigrants, and theres never been a raid. Theres never been any sort of Law Enforcement investigation that we can discern. So you really cant say that for sure. Because there are investigations going on all the time that youre unaware of. And