Transcripts For MSNBCW Weekends With Alex Witt 20191214 : vi

If you wonder what will happen in washington, impeachment will be over probably by midjanuary. Personally i think President Trump will come out of this stronger. I guess he has it all wrapped up. At least House Democrats from 31 trump leaning districts still have not decided if they are going to vote President Trump. Republicans taking advantage of that uncertainty putting pressure on those undecided democrats to vote against impeachment. They will have until wednesday to decide and that is when the full house is expected to vote. That senate trial is already facing criticism after Majority Leader Mitch Mcconnell said that he is coordinating everything he does for the proceeding with the white house. The foreman of the jury Mitch Mcconnell, the guy that decides all the rules, is actually going to coordinate with the defendant. That makes no sense whatsoever. It is an outrage. And frankly, it is a tremendous disrespect to the constitution and to our framers. And mcconnell defending that comment to reporters says that that kind of coordination has happened before. Not surprisingly president clinton and the democrats and the senate were coordinating on a strategy. Were on the same side. Tom dash chchle said he didn. I you rust today that he did. Denny heck is joining me. Always good to see you, my friend. You just heard Mitch Mcconnell as well as your colleague rebuke of him for suggesting that the senate trial is a fay fait accompli. Do you accept it as just today hes politics as ish . Of course i dont accept it. And it is important to know that it is a violation of his oath of office, not the oath that you think of, the one at the beginning of every session where we all raise our right hand and swear to uphold and protect and preserve the constitution. They actually have a specific oath requirement in Senate Procedures when it comes to impeachment proceedings in which they swear to proceed in an impartial fashion. So obviously he is violating that oath even before he gets to it. I hope that he will think twice. And pointing this out, how angry do you think your democratic colleagues are to that approach from mcconnell . Is there anything that you can do about it . Because some have suggested that they could delay sending articles to the senate. Is that being considered and what effect would that have . I think that lot of people are annured to this. Weve heard it on a nonstop basis. And i wish that they had sat through all the depositions that i did, the hundreds of hours over months and in a period of time. I wish that they had read the 300 page report that the House Intelligence Committee produced. Obviously they havent. Obviously they are not taking it seriously and were all the less for it. What about House Speaker nancy pelosi, congressman. Here is what she said this week about those democrats and the socalled swing districts. We are not within this legislation nor do we ever whip Something Like that. They have seen the facts as presented. They have seen the constituti constitution they know it, they take an oath to protect and defend it, but they say the constitutional experts speak about it, they will make their own decisions. I dont say anything to them. So here is what were talking about. 31 House Democrats in the socalled swing districts that trump won, do you have a sense of how many might defect from the party on this matter of impeachment and could that affect either of those two articles of impeachment . I think that well vote on articles of impeachment this week. And i think that they will pass. Of course it is washington, d. C. And anything can happen. But i actually believe in my heart of hearts based actually also on a couple conversations i had with two of those 31 who privately told me that they intend to vote for impeachment, they just had not yet made the announcement public. I think that is what will happen. I think that they will assess their constituents and the constitution and their conscience and they will come to the conclusion that this president has betrayed his oath of office and be babuseder sufficient for him to be impeached. Ive announced my retirement. It is easy for me to say this because im not running for reelection again. But i can tell you that there is very little doubt in my mind that those who consult themselves, look themselves in the mirror, talk to their families and their god will come to the conclusion that this must stop. Can i just say on a personal note when i read about your retirement, i was severely bummed but i do understand the reasons for your doing so. But ill still be talking to you a lot. And you mentioned these private conversations that youve had and youve said some republicans approached you saying they wanted to vote yes on impeachment. Can you tell me how many and when the time comes they will actually vote their conscience . No, i dont. And it is part of the reason frankly why ive decided to retire at this time. I just cannot understand given the overwhelming amount of evidence as to what has occurred here that they cannot put country before party. So republicans say to you id really like to vote for impeachment but youre thinking, nope, they wont do it. Thats correct. Look, weve seen this pattern over a long period of time. In fact, a lot of them have been voting with their feet. If you go back and look at the data, 43 of the republicans who were in the house at the beginning of President Trumps term have left. They have either retired or run for Higher Office or flown the koop. And a lot are doing as a matter of conscience. They know if they stayed, they would be viciously punished. He even bullies a 16yearold girl this week. If anybody dares to have a different point of view. And by the way, let me just say this. Im 67 years old. Ive seen a lot of time persons of the year and i have never seen one who more deserved this honor than that young woman for what she is bringing to the global discussion about what we need to do to come to grips with climate change. Clearly a lot of people agree with you. It is remarkable what shes accomplished. Let me ask you what nbc is also reporting which is that republicans are whipping democrat votes on impeachment. Do you think that is a bold move . I mean how do you see that playing out . I dont think that it will have any effect. Isnt it interesting though that republicans are whipping this and Speaker Pelosi is not . Speaker pelosi has said repeatedly were not going to ask people to vote one way or another because we believe this is a matter of their conscience. Yet republicans are considering it a political calculation. You know, there are a couple votes at least that members of Congress Take that should be way beyond political calculus. And im not one that says that political consideration should never come into discussions about policy, but there are a couple exempt zones for that, one is declaring war, the other is whether or not to impeach the president. This is not about politics, this is about the constitution and rule of law and what is best for our republic. Republicans have attacked the two articles presented by judiciary, they have called them thin frand weak. But arent they broadly based, a big umbrella under which many things can fall . Do you think the acts of this president warranted more articles on or are you comfortable with these two . Im comfortable with these two. And as ive made clear at the conclusion of this effort, i will be voting yes this week on both of them. I was personally agnostic on whether or not they expanded it, there was a discussion should we bring back the obstruction of justice that was clearly cl lly out in section two of the mueller report, but instead it was decided to vow cuss gfocus f congress and the obstruction. And people who thinks it gives me joy, they are flat wrong. I fundamentally believe this man is manifestly unfit to occupy the white house. And the two articles of impeachment are exhibit a and exhibit b on why he should not be there. Congressman denny heck, well be speaking with you again soon. Thank you for your time. Lets bring out a live look at the Public Education forum under way right now in pittsburgh, p. A. And seven democrats are expected in pennsylvania there for the big event. Senator cory booker canceled, he has come down with the flu. Three more candidates are in iowa today, one is in arizona, two are in south carolina. And so far, weve heard from three candidates at the education forum. Lets go right now to mike memoli, he is right there in pittsburgh for us. So mike, talk about the main gripe here from those thousands or so in the audience and are educators getting any answers . The conversation that you were just having with the congressman about impeachment, that certainly has been dominating the national conversation. But as ive following the candidates in the early states, one of the issues that we hear most often about is education and this is a real opportunity for search of the candidatven o talk about teacher pay, teacher ten you youre, college afford ability and school safety. They say this is a day to find out who is for kids and who is just kidding. One of the issues that we can really most clearly discern the differences ideologically between some of the candidates in terms of the liberal and moderate divides so called in this party. We heard from mayor Pete Buttigieg talking about the issue of College Affordability. Lets take a listen. College affordability is very important and so is college completion. But the way it is being talked about, youd think it is the only thing that matters after 12th grade and there is not nearly enough conversation going on about how to support apprenticeships, internships and tke so he can prosper whether you want to college or not. Yes, we have to make it affordable, and also to not go to college. Reporter and by contrast you have on stage senator Elizabeth Warren right now, shes talking about her wealth tax. A lot of the money generated would be used to pay for education, to be paying for things like free College Education. And there are a lot of candidates on the moderate wing who say that is not practical. And so this is of course a debate that well continue to hear a as the day goes on and later this week when we have the next debate in los angeles with a smaller crowd on stage for the first time so far. Mike memoli, keeping us on track there from pittsburgh. Thank you. And that Public Education forum hosted by msnbc annually vel ali velshi and it is streaming live on nbc news. And in a moment, where the Impeachment Vote stands right now. Many house members are undecided action but so many others. And Rudy Giuliani is promising the president more than he can imagine, and that is a quote. What Rudy Giuliani is up to and how he could be getting position in into some real trouble. G positin in into some real trouble when considering another treatment, ask about xeljanz xr, a oncedaily pill for adults with moderate to severe Rheumatoid Arthritis or active Psoriatic Arthritis for whom methotrexate did not work well enough. It can reduce pain, swelling, and significantly improve physical function. Xeljanz can lower your ability to fight infections like tb; dont start xeljanz if you have an infection. Taking a higher than recommended dose of xeljanz for ra can increase risk of death. Serious, sometimes fatal infections, cancers including lymphoma, and blood clots have happened. As have tears in the stomach or intestines, serious allergic reactions, and changes in lab results. Tell your doctor if youve been somewhere fungal infections are common, or if youve had tb, hepatitis b or c, or are prone to infections. Dont let another morning go by without asking your doctor about xeljanz xr. For the holidays you cant beat home sweet home. Without asking your doctor about xeljanz xr. We go the extra mile to bring your holidays home. Here, it all starts withello hi . How can i help . A data plan for everyone. Everyone . Everyone. Lets send to everyone wifi up there . Uhh. Sure, why not . Howd he get out . a camera might figure it out. That was easy glad i could help. At xfinity, were here to make life simple. Easy. Awesome. So come ask, shop, discover at your local xfinity store today. Two articles of impeachment, a big decision macing tfacing t. And there a New York Times survey and it finds that 166 supporting the articles, 159 expected to vote no. Only one democrat by the way Jeff Van Drew said he wont vote for them. 19 house members are undecided or unclear how they stand. And no answer yet from 87 members. Joining me now, liz and josh. And welcome to you both. So two critical things to look forward to. You have the full house vote expected on wednesday. You have the senate trial sometime in january. So i want to start with the house, liz. The focus appears right now to be on how those modern democrats will vote on impeachment. 31 hold seats in trump districts, 17 say that we are voting yes but eight till still undecided. How concerned are democrats about de23 over is this defectors . I think that they are braced for some defectors but republicans are already saying that the vote would be bipartisan and the vote for it would not be even if they already have one democrat which they already do. So the bigger the number grows, the worse the optics are. I think for now leadership is not expecting more than maybe half dozen to eventually vote no, but things are shifting because the members of congress are getting so much feedback from their difficults, and it is just hard to know how that will affect each individual member. They are the ones getting all the calls and letters. And with regard to leadership and where all of that stands, i want to play again what Speaker Pelosi had to say when asked if she has a message. I have no message to them. We are not whipping this legislation. People have to come to their own conclusions. They have seen the facts as presented, they have seen the constitution as they know it, they take an oath to protect and defend it, but they see the constitutional experts speak about it. They will make their own decisions. Josh, this is a very shrewd and successful woman that where he talking about here. The speaker would not have moved forward on this unless she was very confident she had the rotes. But how much ask having any defectors hurt . I suppose it undercuts it a little bit, but you also have to remember that some of thieves democrats in the swing districts, it is not just a question of organic calls that are coming in from constituents, some are looking at pretty Massive Media buys that are taking place most of them on the president s side. Even from groups that dont normally get involved in this sort of thing. Im thinking of like the club for growth for example. What exactly does impeachment have to do with the issues there, typically interested in of budget deficit, spending taxes bullpen never tt they are millions in swichk distri millions millions in swing districts to at least increase the pain. And nbc is reporting that the republicans are zeroing in on the eight undecided swing district democrats. Why is it significant for republicans to have some democrats break away from the party even if it is not enough to sink the votes on either of the two articles of impeachment . Well, i mean, it sends the message at least in the view of republicans that this is a weak case and also i think it bolsters the president a little bit because he is the within out the one out there saying that this was a perfect call, he didnt do anything wrong. Within out one out there saying that this was a perfect call, he didnt do anything wrong. And democrats have been planning for years and years to take him down. If they can get a couple democrats to agree, i think it makes it easier and perhaps makes it somewhat easier for republicans in the senate as well to vote to being a quite him and not feel that they will face much consequences. And what are the chances even one republican crosses the line and votes to impeach . You know, i think that you mean in the house . I think it is next to nil. Like congressman heck was saying, youve seen sort of a self selection in large part and also voters forcing out a lot of those more moderate republicans and now you are left with people that are basically in very strong pro trump districts where they would really, really be punished potentially even driven out of office in a primary if they voted to impeach the president. So i think that it is a vanishly small chance. Liz, lets move on to the senate trial. Republicans are trying to avoid an impeachment trial civil war. Senators are reluctant to call controversial witnesses that trump and House Republicans want to have testify, not ruling it out yet. What do you think, do you think the gop senators get their way . I do think that there is a growing consensus among republican laurnl lawmakers th they have witnesses, then democrats will have witnesses. One said that it was a double edge sword. So the tradeoff he have calling hunter biden or someone like that that trump has demanded or would like to see is democrats saying that we want mick mulvaney, we have questions about who ordered the aid stopped and when that are a holdover from the house proceedings. So i do think that there is a growing support for this strategy that Mitch Mcconnell has laid out of just going fast and perhaps just not having witnesses. Do you have any conventional wisdom, josh, is it out there on which approach is better for the democrats or the white house . I think mcconnell has actually shifted on this issue a little bit. Remember, a short time ago, he was talking about how painful this was going to be for democrats who were running for president for the folks out on the campaign trail like senator Elizabeth Warren, senator klobuchar, senator booker and so forth, that they said be tiwoul up for week and weeks for some kind of trial for President Trump<\/a> will come out of this stronger. I guess he has it all wrapped up. At least House Democrats<\/a> from 31 trump leaning districts still have not decided if they are going to vote President Trump<\/a>. Republicans taking advantage of that uncertainty putting pressure on those undecided democrats to vote against impeachment. They will have until wednesday to decide and that is when the full house is expected to vote. That senate trial is already facing criticism after Majority Leader Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> said that he is coordinating everything he does for the proceeding with the white house. The foreman of the jury Mitch Mcconnell<\/a>, the guy that decides all the rules, is actually going to coordinate with the defendant. That makes no sense whatsoever. It is an outrage. And frankly, it is a tremendous disrespect to the constitution and to our framers. And mcconnell defending that comment to reporters says that that kind of coordination has happened before. Not surprisingly president clinton and the democrats and the senate were coordinating on a strategy. Were on the same side. Tom dash chchle said he didn. I you rust today that he did. Denny heck is joining me. Always good to see you, my friend. You just heard Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> as well as your colleague rebuke of him for suggesting that the senate trial is a fay fait accompli. Do you accept it as just today hes politics as ish . Of course i dont accept it. And it is important to know that it is a violation of his oath of office, not the oath that you think of, the one at the beginning of every session where we all raise our right hand and swear to uphold and protect and preserve the constitution. They actually have a specific oath requirement in Senate Procedures<\/a> when it comes to impeachment proceedings in which they swear to proceed in an impartial fashion. So obviously he is violating that oath even before he gets to it. I hope that he will think twice. And pointing this out, how angry do you think your democratic colleagues are to that approach from mcconnell . Is there anything that you can do about it . Because some have suggested that they could delay sending articles to the senate. Is that being considered and what effect would that have . I think that lot of people are annured to this. Weve heard it on a nonstop basis. And i wish that they had sat through all the depositions that i did, the hundreds of hours over months and in a period of time. I wish that they had read the 300 page report that the House Intelligence Committee<\/a> produced. Obviously they havent. Obviously they are not taking it seriously and were all the less for it. What about House Speaker<\/a> nancy pelosi, congressman. Here is what she said this week about those democrats and the socalled swing districts. We are not within this legislation nor do we ever whip Something Like<\/a> that. They have seen the facts as presented. They have seen the constituti constitution they know it, they take an oath to protect and defend it, but they say the constitutional experts speak about it, they will make their own decisions. I dont say anything to them. So here is what were talking about. 31 House Democrats<\/a> in the socalled swing districts that trump won, do you have a sense of how many might defect from the party on this matter of impeachment and could that affect either of those two articles of impeachment . I think that well vote on articles of impeachment this week. And i think that they will pass. Of course it is washington, d. C. And anything can happen. But i actually believe in my heart of hearts based actually also on a couple conversations i had with two of those 31 who privately told me that they intend to vote for impeachment, they just had not yet made the announcement public. I think that is what will happen. I think that they will assess their constituents and the constitution and their conscience and they will come to the conclusion that this president has betrayed his oath of office and be babuseder sufficient for him to be impeached. Ive announced my retirement. It is easy for me to say this because im not running for reelection again. But i can tell you that there is very little doubt in my mind that those who consult themselves, look themselves in the mirror, talk to their families and their god will come to the conclusion that this must stop. Can i just say on a personal note when i read about your retirement, i was severely bummed but i do understand the reasons for your doing so. But ill still be talking to you a lot. And you mentioned these private conversations that youve had and youve said some republicans approached you saying they wanted to vote yes on impeachment. Can you tell me how many and when the time comes they will actually vote their conscience . No, i dont. And it is part of the reason frankly why ive decided to retire at this time. I just cannot understand given the overwhelming amount of evidence as to what has occurred here that they cannot put country before party. So republicans say to you id really like to vote for impeachment but youre thinking, nope, they wont do it. Thats correct. Look, weve seen this pattern over a long period of time. In fact, a lot of them have been voting with their feet. If you go back and look at the data, 43 of the republicans who were in the house at the beginning of President Trump<\/a>s term have left. They have either retired or run for Higher Office<\/a> or flown the koop. And a lot are doing as a matter of conscience. They know if they stayed, they would be viciously punished. He even bullies a 16yearold girl this week. If anybody dares to have a different point of view. And by the way, let me just say this. Im 67 years old. Ive seen a lot of time persons of the year and i have never seen one who more deserved this honor than that young woman for what she is bringing to the global discussion about what we need to do to come to grips with climate change. Clearly a lot of people agree with you. It is remarkable what shes accomplished. Let me ask you what nbc is also reporting which is that republicans are whipping democrat votes on impeachment. Do you think that is a bold move . I mean how do you see that playing out . I dont think that it will have any effect. Isnt it interesting though that republicans are whipping this and Speaker Pelosi<\/a> is not . Speaker pelosi has said repeatedly were not going to ask people to vote one way or another because we believe this is a matter of their conscience. Yet republicans are considering it a political calculation. You know, there are a couple votes at least that members of Congress Take<\/a> that should be way beyond political calculus. And im not one that says that political consideration should never come into discussions about policy, but there are a couple exempt zones for that, one is declaring war, the other is whether or not to impeach the president. This is not about politics, this is about the constitution and rule of law and what is best for our republic. Republicans have attacked the two articles presented by judiciary, they have called them thin frand weak. But arent they broadly based, a big umbrella under which many things can fall . Do you think the acts of this president warranted more articles on or are you comfortable with these two . Im comfortable with these two. And as ive made clear at the conclusion of this effort, i will be voting yes this week on both of them. I was personally agnostic on whether or not they expanded it, there was a discussion should we bring back the obstruction of justice that was clearly cl lly out in section two of the mueller report, but instead it was decided to vow cuss gfocus f congress and the obstruction. And people who thinks it gives me joy, they are flat wrong. I fundamentally believe this man is manifestly unfit to occupy the white house. And the two articles of impeachment are exhibit a and exhibit b on why he should not be there. Congressman denny heck, well be speaking with you again soon. Thank you for your time. Lets bring out a live look at the Public Education<\/a> forum under way right now in pittsburgh, p. A. And seven democrats are expected in pennsylvania there for the big event. Senator cory booker canceled, he has come down with the flu. Three more candidates are in iowa today, one is in arizona, two are in south carolina. And so far, weve heard from three candidates at the education forum. Lets go right now to mike memoli, he is right there in pittsburgh for us. So mike, talk about the main gripe here from those thousands or so in the audience and are educators getting any answers . The conversation that you were just having with the congressman about impeachment, that certainly has been dominating the national conversation. But as ive following the candidates in the early states, one of the issues that we hear most often about is education and this is a real opportunity for search of the candidatven o talk about teacher pay, teacher ten you youre, college afford ability and school safety. They say this is a day to find out who is for kids and who is just kidding. One of the issues that we can really most clearly discern the differences ideologically between some of the candidates in terms of the liberal and moderate divides so called in this party. We heard from mayor Pete Buttigieg<\/a> talking about the issue of College Affordability<\/a>. Lets take a listen. College affordability is very important and so is college completion. But the way it is being talked about, youd think it is the only thing that matters after 12th grade and there is not nearly enough conversation going on about how to support apprenticeships, internships and tke so he can prosper whether you want to college or not. Yes, we have to make it affordable, and also to not go to college. Reporter and by contrast you have on stage senator Elizabeth Warren<\/a> right now, shes talking about her wealth tax. A lot of the money generated would be used to pay for education, to be paying for things like free College Education<\/a>. And there are a lot of candidates on the moderate wing who say that is not practical. And so this is of course a debate that well continue to hear a as the day goes on and later this week when we have the next debate in los angeles with a smaller crowd on stage for the first time so far. Mike memoli, keeping us on track there from pittsburgh. Thank you. And that Public Education<\/a> forum hosted by msnbc annually vel ali velshi and it is streaming live on nbc news. And in a moment, where the Impeachment Vote<\/a> stands right now. Many house members are undecided action but so many others. And Rudy Giuliani<\/a> is promising the president more than he can imagine, and that is a quote. What Rudy Giuliani<\/a> is up to and how he could be getting position in into some real trouble. G positin in into some real trouble when considering another treatment, ask about xeljanz xr, a oncedaily pill for adults with moderate to severe Rheumatoid Arthritis<\/a> or active Psoriatic Arthritis<\/a> for whom methotrexate did not work well enough. It can reduce pain, swelling, and significantly improve physical function. Xeljanz can lower your ability to fight infections like tb; dont start xeljanz if you have an infection. Taking a higher than recommended dose of xeljanz for ra can increase risk of death. Serious, sometimes fatal infections, cancers including lymphoma, and blood clots have happened. As have tears in the stomach or intestines, serious allergic reactions, and changes in lab results. Tell your doctor if youve been somewhere fungal infections are common, or if youve had tb, hepatitis b or c, or are prone to infections. Dont let another morning go by without asking your doctor about xeljanz xr. For the holidays you cant beat home sweet home. Without asking your doctor about xeljanz xr. We go the extra mile to bring your holidays home. Here, it all starts withello hi . How can i help . A data plan for everyone. Everyone . Everyone. Lets send to everyone wifi up there . Uhh. Sure, why not . Howd he get out . a camera might figure it out. That was easy glad i could help. At xfinity, were here to make life simple. Easy. Awesome. So come ask, shop, discover at your local xfinity store today. Two articles of impeachment, a big decision macing tfacing t. And there a New York Times<\/a> survey and it finds that 166 supporting the articles, 159 expected to vote no. Only one democrat by the way Jeff Van Drew<\/a> said he wont vote for them. 19 house members are undecided or unclear how they stand. And no answer yet from 87 members. Joining me now, liz and josh. And welcome to you both. So two critical things to look forward to. You have the full house vote expected on wednesday. You have the senate trial sometime in january. So i want to start with the house, liz. The focus appears right now to be on how those modern democrats will vote on impeachment. 31 hold seats in trump districts, 17 say that we are voting yes but eight till still undecided. How concerned are democrats about de23 over is this defectors . I think that they are braced for some defectors but republicans are already saying that the vote would be bipartisan and the vote for it would not be even if they already have one democrat which they already do. So the bigger the number grows, the worse the optics are. I think for now leadership is not expecting more than maybe half dozen to eventually vote no, but things are shifting because the members of congress are getting so much feedback from their difficults, and it is just hard to know how that will affect each individual member. They are the ones getting all the calls and letters. And with regard to leadership and where all of that stands, i want to play again what Speaker Pelosi<\/a> had to say when asked if she has a message. I have no message to them. We are not whipping this legislation. People have to come to their own conclusions. They have seen the facts as presented, they have seen the constitution as they know it, they take an oath to protect and defend it, but they see the constitutional experts speak about it. They will make their own decisions. Josh, this is a very shrewd and successful woman that where he talking about here. The speaker would not have moved forward on this unless she was very confident she had the rotes. But how much ask having any defectors hurt . I suppose it undercuts it a little bit, but you also have to remember that some of thieves democrats in the swing districts, it is not just a question of organic calls that are coming in from constituents, some are looking at pretty Massive Media<\/a> buys that are taking place most of them on the president s side. Even from groups that dont normally get involved in this sort of thing. Im thinking of like the club for growth for example. What exactly does impeachment have to do with the issues there, typically interested in of budget deficit, spending taxes bullpen never tt they are millions in swichk distri millions millions in swing districts to at least increase the pain. And nbc is reporting that the republicans are zeroing in on the eight undecided swing district democrats. Why is it significant for republicans to have some democrats break away from the party even if it is not enough to sink the votes on either of the two articles of impeachment . Well, i mean, it sends the message at least in the view of republicans that this is a weak case and also i think it bolsters the president a little bit because he is the within out the one out there saying that this was a perfect call, he didnt do anything wrong. Within out one out there saying that this was a perfect call, he didnt do anything wrong. And democrats have been planning for years and years to take him down. If they can get a couple democrats to agree, i think it makes it easier and perhaps makes it somewhat easier for republicans in the senate as well to vote to being a quite him and not feel that they will face much consequences. And what are the chances even one republican crosses the line and votes to impeach . You know, i think that you mean in the house . I think it is next to nil. Like congressman heck was saying, youve seen sort of a self selection in large part and also voters forcing out a lot of those more moderate republicans and now you are left with people that are basically in very strong pro trump districts where they would really, really be punished potentially even driven out of office in a primary if they voted to impeach the president. So i think that it is a vanishly small chance. Liz, lets move on to the senate trial. Republicans are trying to avoid an impeachment trial civil war. Senators are reluctant to call controversial witnesses that trump and House Republicans<\/a> want to have testify, not ruling it out yet. What do you think, do you think the gop senators get their way . I do think that there is a growing consensus among republican laurnl lawmakers th they have witnesses, then democrats will have witnesses. One said that it was a double edge sword. So the tradeoff he have calling hunter biden or someone like that that trump has demanded or would like to see is democrats saying that we want mick mulvaney, we have questions about who ordered the aid stopped and when that are a holdover from the house proceedings. So i do think that there is a growing support for this strategy that Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> has laid out of just going fast and perhaps just not having witnesses. Do you have any conventional wisdom, josh, is it out there on which approach is better for the democrats or the white house . I think mcconnell has actually shifted on this issue a little bit. Remember, a short time ago, he was talking about how painful this was going to be for democrats who were running for president for the folks out on the campaign trail like senator Elizabeth Warren<\/a>, senator klobuchar, senator booker and so forth, that they said be tiwoul up for week and weeks for some kind of trial for President Trump<\/a> and now it sounds like that was something of a bluff. I think what you have is a few moderate republicans who are basically, you know, stemming the discussion of an extended trial and are basically insisting that you wont have witnesses that could really take this in a very strange direction like for example calling hunter biden. So you have that small group. I think that they will keep it relatively short and hopefully relatively painless for them so that they get this on and off the senates agenda in a week or so. And last question here for both of you. Liz, there is a poll that is following the house judiciary hearing. It shows support for the president s impeachment, but pretty much unchanged since september when all of this of course ramped up with the public display and the tell sizevised hearings. Are voters minds already made up on this . It does appear that views are hardened on this even going into the trial. This was a bit of movement after the news first broke of the phone call away from trump, his Approval Ratings<\/a> dipped a bit and then it sort of bounced back a little bit and just stayed steady, which after so many weeks of proceedings, a new revelation is coming to light is pretty surprising, but i think it just goes to show how in two camps people already are. And final thought to you, josh. Yeah, i think that the National Numbers<\/a> probably arent that significant just like when we look at National Numbers<\/a> in the president ial race, National Numbers<\/a> on impeachment probably arent going to move much. The real question is are there is a handful of districts around the country where democrats could pay some sort of political price for this vote. I think that is what republicans are hoping for whether that is actually true is something that we just dont have enough information yet to say for sure. Okay. Good to see you both. Thank you. And why President Trump<\/a> might not like how the Senate Impeachment<\/a> trial is held, but can he do anything about it. Oh theres no place like home for the holidays. For the holidays you cant beat home sweet home. We go the extra mile to bring your holidays home. I need all the breaks, that i can get. At liberty butchumal cut. Liberty biberty cut. Well dub it. Liberty mutual customizes your Car Insurance<\/a> so you only pay for what you need. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Creais back at red lobster. 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And as the house prepares for that vote, the senator who has the very most sway in how a potential trial will look, that is leader mcconnell, all but guarantees there an acquittal for the president and promises total coordination with the white house. Joining me to discuss that now, kalil cam kalila harris and also rick tyler. How fair of a trial do you think this will be . Well, i think weve gone from being a super power to a super banana republic. Look, it wont be fair, but i think what Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> is doing here, hes signaling to the democrats who by the way have not impeached the president and so he has not been accused of anything so there hasnt been a trial is the conclusion is foregone. I mean, if there is one thing Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> say what you want about him, but he knows how to count votes and there are not the votes to quikts so that w t. And so we have to consider whether an acquited president which he will say is a fully exxon exxon rated is worse than what we have now. So clearly you have the house preparing on whether or not to take the vote on wednesday. And a big question remain, where will the moderate democrats in those 31, where will they stand. Yesterday you had a couple freshmen democrats who flipped run held districts, and they said that they will vote for impeachment. But do you think that there will be democrats who do not vote to impeach the president this week . It would behoove not to do that. The idea that the democratic duly elected congressman would vote on behalf of a criminal to remain in office is utterly nonsensical, it is not the right move, it will not be a great position for the Democratic Party<\/a> to be in. And frankly, i think that we have plenty of americans who we should trust in who are electing people into office to be better and to be their best. But there are those who may be looking at it for professional self preservation. Could they lose their seats over this vote . I think once the president is impeached, the American Public<\/a> will take a much stronger stance on the behaviors that he is having. When we have senator mcconnell acknowledging that he is also prepared to break the law and also prepared to coordinate with the white house against the guidance of what he is supposed to uphold as senator of the United States<\/a> of america, i think that it would be impertinent for any elected official to make a decision based on their election. But if they vote for the president to remain in office, that will provide more likely a situation where people will not vote for them again because they are violating their trust after they have been elected to office. Rick, i want to go back to what you were saying about the way the senate trial plays out with the debate to what witnesses to call, if they call witnesses, how long they think the trial should be. According to the Washington Post<\/a> reporting, Senate Republicans<\/a> are coalescing around the strategy of holding that short impeachment trial in january that would include no witnesses, a plan that could clash with the president s desire to stage a Public Defense<\/a> of his actions toward ukraine, that would include testimony the white house believes would damage its political rivals. What do you think would be the best way to go about this . Well, that is a different question. Let me tell you what i think that they will do. I think that is right. They will go for a short trial. They wont want all the witnesses call that had could raise all kinds of questions and doubts. That will make it harder for Mitch Mcconnell<\/a>s vulnerable senators who he wants to get reelected including himself which he is likely to get reelected. And so they wanted to dispense with it quickly. And that is probably their best strategy, is it best for the country and best for someone who cares about civics . No. I think that the democrats are in a rough posititough position. The president has committed impeachable offenses. Anyone with common sense can see what he did. He abused his power for office as ive been saying over and over again, it was an arms for dirt deal, an impeachable offense. But i think that the democrats have strategically made a mistake by choosing two nebulous articles of impeachment rather than as Joe Scarborough<\/a> mentioned just throw the kitchen sink at him, anything hes ever done which could conceivable be an impeachable offense. There is a political process and well just have week after week of what the president has done. And i think that is the best way to go about it. Because right now, they will impeach him and well be right back where we started. And democrats must have gone back and forth for hours over these two different approaches. Right . Do you think that they should have thrown pretty much everything but the kitchen sink at him . Absolutely. You know, the general public while they generally respond to political arguments in laymans terms, i think that they can understand a rico charge or they can understand corruption or obstruction. They are very intelligent. And it doesnt make sense for this congress to dance around words and use in many ways terminology that is vague so that the president is able to say this is a witch hunt, it is just a conspiracy against him and they have been trying to impeach him since according to him before he even announced his candidacy. It is critical that Going Forward<\/a> democratic members of congress and frankly republican members of congress who understand that crime has been committed, several crimes, many crimes, should be using language that people can understand to lay out the case. Im looking forward to senators like Kamala Harris<\/a> getting out there and really being the prosecutor that she is and being able to dig into what is happening in this case. Frankly, the American Public<\/a> is ready to elect a new president. And you think that the likes of senator Kamala Harris<\/a> can take whatever happens in impeachment in this whole process and use to the advantage of helping democrats defeat donald trump . You think it has the potential to be that effective in terms of how people vote . It does. And frankly, it would behoove her to do so if for no other reason than he is a criminal. And so he likes to turn a word, this idea of im acquitted and therefore i did nothing wrong is absolutely nonsensical. We need to keep him on the ropes. And it will be pivotal to do that. Today we have a Public Education<\/a> town hall, the American Public<\/a> is wanting to talk about issues. They are wanting to move forward with a presidency that will work for them. And this president shouldnt get off the hook because were close to an election. Thank you guys, good to hear your thoughts. Overseas now to qatar, that is where it is the first day of the doha forum which highlights the International Relations<\/a> and includes a few prominent voices from the u. S. Including Lindsey Graham<\/a>, Steve Mnuchin<\/a> and ivanka trump. And of course the big headline on impeachment came from Lindsey Graham<\/a>. I want this to end as quick as possible for the good of the senate, for the good of the country. And i think the best thing for america to do is get this behind us. And elliott ruzy is there. And we senator graham talking about impeachment. Did we learn anything new . Reporter great to see you. Well, yeah, i mean he was critical of the president saying that he didnt always agree with what the president said or tweeted. But basically he was steadfast in his support of the president. He said that he thought this impeachment process would be over by midjanuary and that the president who will come out of this much stronger once this was all over. And he basically called it a partisan effort by a bunch of folks that couldnt get over the 2016 election. He said the impeachment will die quickly when it comes to the senate and that he is going to do everything he can to make sure that it dies quickly once it gets to the senate because he thinks this is bad for the country. It is a bad image abroad for the country, he thinks as we played in that sound bite that it should be put behind them. And he had a message, he said if folks dont like President Trump<\/a>, they can vote against him next year. But they should put this process behind them. He was also very supportive. He was asked whether he thought that it was correct for President Trump<\/a> to ask a Foreign Government<\/a> for help in investigating another u. S. Rival and he said yes, he thought that it was fine for him do that because what had happened was very serious, answers needed to be put forward and this process was dragging on. He said that if it had been Vice President<\/a> pences son who had been getting 50,000 from a gas company then the media would probably be asking a lot more questions. Well, in other words, senator Lindsey Graham<\/a> sounding like he has all along. What about trade. Because secretary mnuchin was talking about the u. S. China trade deal and he said that it must be enforce onlableenforcea. Does it mean that the face one phase one deal might not be enfor enforceable . Reporter he said phase one has taken place, it was a historic moment and just some legal procedures to get through and he thought that phase one would be done also by midjanuary. He was very confident when that. He was less confident about how quickly phase two would be done. He said phase two may come in stages. A, bchl and c. And yet to be determined how they would unfold. But once phase one has been agreed on, then phase two while it is being negotiated, additional tariffs wont be added to the chinese as long as the negotiations are amicable. All right. Ali arouzi, thank you. And coming up next, Rudy Giuliani<\/a>s search for dirt and his promise to the president. But is he only causing more trouble for everyone . Causing m trouble for everyone do you recall, not long ago we would walk on the sidewalk all around the wind blows we would only hold on to let go blow a kiss into the sun we need someone to lean on blow a kiss into the sun we needed somebody to lean on all we need is someone to lean on colon Cancer Screening<\/a> for people 50 plus at average risk. Some things are harder than you thought. And others are easier. 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So nelson, my Immediate Reaction<\/a> to hearing that from giuliani is why does he not make all of this information that he is supposedly gathering to exonerate his client public . Well, there are two answers to that. One of them which is probably the truth which is that he actually discovered nothing so he has nothing to offer. And the second, let me be a little bit more charitable, there is going to be some kind of a trial in the senate. You just had a segment exploring this, will it be a trial with witnesses or a short trial. But will be some kind of a trial in the senate. And a can a can any oig litigat knows that in the real trial an element of is you are price can surprise can be a huge advantage. So maybe he does have something but i think the truth is he is puffing. But giuliani has told the wall street journal that the president is still asking about the dirt that he tried to dig up in you ukraine. So put all this together. And how baffling is it that the president s attorney is still going to ukraine to pursue the same matters that have turned into an impeachment inquiry . I think that if you go to the dictionary and you look up the word chutzpah, there is a picture of Rudy Giuliani<\/a> in kiev there. It is astonishing that he is continuing to go down what is universally been concluded by everyone who has looked at it, the intelligence aepgencies, reporters, authorithoroughly de this notion that joe biden was trying to shape echbltd events his son. And so why is Rudy Giuliani<\/a> doing this . It is part of i think the donald Trump Defense<\/a> that he learned from roy kohn years ago, the celebrated new york lawyer, which is always meet an accusation with an accuse sayinsayin accusation. And if you get punched, punch back. And lets go to the prosecutors who are now asking to have giulianis associate lev parnas bail revoked after he concealed that 1 million pavement that he got from russia. So these connections from russia keep popping up. Especially in the ukraine scandal. First of all, why is it a big deal that lev parnas got money from russia . When parnas was arrested and he was released on bail, he had to first disclose all of his assets because the judge and the prosecutors want to set a fair bail that will be sure to keep him in this country. So he signs under oath an affidavit laying out all of his assets. And he seems to have forgotten that Million Dollars<\/a> that came from russia that he used to buy a house and pay a bunch of other personal expenses having to do with his wife. The prosecutors are right to say that this is a fairly shocking breach on his part. And it is also at a time when parnas was frankly asking the judge to relax his bail terms a little bit. I think the outcome might be that he might wind up in jail. What about giuliani who was at the white house yesterday reportedly telling trump that he got more than that you can imagine last week. Look, he knows that he is under investigation by the sdny, so do these trips, do these kinds of communications increase his legal exposure, his potential jeopardy in any way, and if so, doesnt he understand that . You know, in an ordinary circumstance absolutely youd think he would. But this is not a usual circumstance because he know thats he is trying to please and satisfy the one person who with the stroke of a pen can relieve Rudy Giuliani<\/a> of any federal liability for his actions. With the pardon power, with his control of the justice department, President Trump<\/a> could at any moment exonerate Rudy Giuliani<\/a> for life. If youve got that kind of a, pardon me, trump card in your back pocket and you are Rudy Giuliani<\/a>, you will go to kiev and you will keep on pushing the envelope even in the face of federal prosecutors. I was a federal prosecutor for six years. And i never faced somebody who thought that he had a president ial pardon in his back pocket. 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How are we going to pull this country together . We take on the biggest challenge in history, we save the world and we do it together. This week the inspector generals report became public. From the 434 pages came two major findings fueling two opposing narratives, not surprisingly. One being that the fbi was legally justified in launching the russia probe in 2016 and there was no political motivation that drove that. Number two, there were 17 inaccuracies surrounding three different fisa applications during that investigation. Joining me now, ned price. Thanks for being here. So it seems we talk about the opposing perspectives. Politics aside though, what is your read on this report . Well, i think youre right, that we have difficulty in the trump era dealing with nuance, holding competing views in our head same time and i think this report does in fact provide competing views. If you remember back to when this report was launched, President Trump<\/a> and his defenders have long said that this report would finally vindicate them, would finally prove the central allegation mainly that the Obama Administration<\/a> undertook an effort through surveillance and even spying on the Trump Campaign<\/a> in order to undertake a coup and to prevent President Trump<\/a> from becoming president. This report flatly rejects that as have any number of other reports and statements from the trump administration. At the same time, it is important to note that this was by no means a white wash of the department of justice, not a white wash of the doj. And i think regardless of your politics, it raises troubling questions about one of the most sensitive forms of surveillance our government has in its arsenal, a surveillance that can be directed in certain circumstances against american citizens. And so it is important that we not look at this report i think through just the political prism. If we were to do so, we would claim victory, defeat if we were being honest. But the origins, would it have been a breach of duty if the fbi did not go down this path and investigate russian sbfsh interference . And he said these investigations were properly predicated, there was no political bias. And i think that he shot down that central allegation that President Trump<\/a> and his defenders have lodged for the better part of the two years. But that is not to say that there werent mistakes found. And a number of mistakes found in very sensitive arenas. And so i think that you will hear President Trump<\/a> harping on these mistakes, but not because he wants to fix them. If he wanted to fix them, President Trump<\/a>, the attorney general, fbi director could take any number of steps today without the requirement that Congress Take<\/a> any action to make this process all the more transparent and proper. And it would negate the president s ability to do what he did at the Campaign Rally<\/a> in pennsylvania this week. Lets play right now what the president d. Sasaid about this. And the fbi sent multiple undercover human spies to surveil and record People Associated<\/a> with our campaign. Look at how they have hurt people. They have destroyed the lives of people that were great people. That is still great people. Their lives have been destroyed by scum, okay, by scum. I mean, you know, using that kind of language particularly scum about the fbi, how does this affect these types of investigations in the future and those who do those investigations . Well, it senl takescertainly on morale especially when you have a workforce that could be lured by Foreign Government<\/a>s to work for them. So you do want to care about low morale, but i worry more about the long term early indications implications of this. The next time a doj is presented with a tough kais and the cacas is not made for fear of the political waves. You want to keep these institutions separate from rough and tumble politics. And it is a good thing that the investigations were launched, they were launched in to the russian government. And we need to have a National Security<\/a> establishment that is willing to make the tough calls and we also need to make sure that they are insulated from politics. President trump is trying to break down that wall that separates National Security<\/a> and politics and i fear that he is doing that all too well. Ned price, thank you for the sobering comments. 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I mean, this is some good Old Fashioned<\/a> soviet style justice. So trump will be impeached. And he will carry that shame of being indicted by the house of representatives for abuse of office and defying congress for the rest of his natural life. One of the president s biggest defenders had this to say a short time ago about the trial expected to start early next year. If you wonder whats going to happen in washington, 350e789 wi impeachment will be over probably about midjanuary. Personally i think that President Trump<\/a> will come out of this stronger. We have a lot to go through as the house considers the Impeachment Vote<\/a>. And speedy trial . Lindsey graham is giving a time frame on how the impeachment saga will play out. And joining me right now, hans nichols. So lets get right into what the senator said. Two decisions the president has to make, who will be representing him when the trial likely get takes place. And the long or the short. Lets listen to Lindsey Graham<\/a>. If you dont like President Trump<\/a>, you can vote against him in less than a year. So i think that impeachment is going to end quickly in the senate. I would prefer to end as quickly as possible. Use the record that was assembled in the house to pass impeachment articles as your trial record. I dont want to call anybody. I dont need to hear from hunter bid biden, i dont need to hear from joe biden, we can deal with that outside of impeachment. I dont want to talk to pompeo or pence. And so he thinks it that will be quick and also his preferences on who he wants called. Now, yesterday afternoon Kellyanne Conway<\/a> was talking to some reporters and send what the president expects from the senate is total exoneration, not just a nonacquittal or nonconviction. So somewhat of acquittal. And that is a pretty high bar and it is difficult to see how i get to total exoneration unless you call all the witnesses out there, he the bidens, pompeo, and who you bring forward here. So that is the decision he has to make. Lindsey graham is publicly advocating going short. And can i ask you, did either the fact that he made these remarks about impeachment there in doha or the nature of those remarks surprise you at all. No, and Lindsey Graham<\/a> often floats things for the president that the president wants out there. And it is also he says things publicly that he tells the president privately. And it is a way of him trying to maybe force the president s hand or at least massage the president in a direction that he wants him to go. So that is lindsey being lindsey. He is not the shy sharing his opinions with Lindsey Graham<\/a>. And that could be an attempt to influence the president and have him go towards a short trial, not something that is drawn out and could potentially go on into february. All right. Hans, thank you so much. Fresh intrigue on the expected full house vote on wednesday. Will there be defections . Vulnerable democrats feeling the heat. One House Democrat<\/a> already going on record saying that he will oppose it. Lets go to josh lieberman. And so with a welcome to you. So there are these reports out there that the House Democrats<\/a> are bracing for some defections in next weeks vote. Where does all of this stand, do we have a read on who is going where . Key point here, is that republicans will get their desired talking point of being able to say that there is bipartisan opposition to the Impeachment Vote<\/a>. Because we now know that at least one of the vulnerable democrats, Jeff Van Drew<\/a> of new jersey, has said that he would vote against the impeachment articles. How much more will defect, were still waiting to find about out, but weve been every day asking all 43 of the identified vulnerable members who could potentially go either way on impeachment how they plan to vote. We now know that 17 of those 43 do plan to vote for impeachment. And that one democrat van drew planning to vote against it. And another 13 are either undecided or unknown. And they will be making up their decision it n the next coming days. Any republicans who might cross the aisle and vote to impeach the president . Very unlikely. Weve been hearing that it is possible that there could be a couple run defections, but probably not. And republicans are not going to want to have any ability for democrats to say that the vote to impeach him had republicans with it. So we know that there will be a lot of pressure from republicans on those members not to defect and to stick with their party to show a united front in support of the president. But on the other side of the aisle, the house whip is not going to try to campaign for yes votes. Not in any formal sense. They said we can have some defections and well still get our Impeachment Vote<\/a> because remember they need 17 democrats to defect in order for the vote to fail. And that is not going to happen. And democrats are also key on not putting too much pressure on some of their members that could help some of them lose next years. So we dont think that democrats will do a formal whip operation to try to get their members in line on this. And as we look ahead to the senate trial, i know youve been covering Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> and his indications, Lindsey Graham<\/a> as well as making the indication that the trial will be short. Is that pretty much a guarantee, is that what you are hearing . Some of this is still being worked out by the white house and senate because they have been addre at odds on this. They wanted to put it all out in the open and republicans making clear that they would like to get it over with in the senate and off their plate as quickly as possible, but we know that Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> has been meeting with Pat Cipollone<\/a> the white House Counsel<\/a> who will be representing trump in the trial and said that they will basically defer to what the white house wants. So a pretty good indication that if the president wants a trial, geelt get a trial. Okay, josh, thank you. And joining me, congresswoman member of the Judiciary Committee<\/a>. Welcome, maam. Youve been front and center in a lot of these proceedings. At times some of which seemed like one big back and forth argument between democrats and republicans. What was going through your mind during all of this . I mean what was the mood like . Well, there was some degree of frustration because our colleagues were talking from talking points and saying things that they werent true. And that is frustrating that they wouldnt look at the facts. They appeared to see you their role as defense counsel for the president rather than members of congress. And is there anything that jumps out at you that were some of the egregious things that were said . Well. Well, there was so much. But for example, several of the republicans kept saying, well, the ukranians didnt know that the aid was being withheld. Excuse me, we have emails from the july 25th and testimony that they did know. I mean, you cant just make things up. The argument that the removal provision in the impeachment article was somehow brand new, that is the exact same language that republicans crafted in the clinton impeachment. I mean, they just made things up and it was sad. I mean, im not sure how you deal with that, but im curious, it does kind of i cant even xri behi comprehend behind that sort of thing when you have the facts laid out so specifically. But when you speak to any of those colleagues who make statements like that after the fact when there are no cameras around, is there any sort of admission of what they are doing is being just politically charged, that it is just for grand standing, or to make political points . You know, right after the vote, i headed for the airport to come home. So i havent had a chance to talk to my republican colleagues about the proceedings. I hope that i will. And there are different members who have a different grasp of reality. So im sure that there will be a lot of discussion but it is not just the members on the committee, it is all of the members of the house who will have to deal with this next week. And i spoke with your colleague representative denny heck in the last hour. And he said that he had spoken with some republicans who said that they wish that they could vote for impeachment. He does not expect them to. But behind the scenes, what they are saying to him is almost an admission of reality. The reality that you are not sure how some colleagues of your across the aisle are debating that. Does that surprise you that he at least heard some . No. No, it doesnt. And ive heard from some republicans how concerned they are about the president s behavior. But well see how they vote. The president really is very thuggish when it comes to republicans or anyone who disagrees with him. You know, yjustin amash who wasa republican in Good Standing<\/a> for some time announced that he thought that the president s behavior was impeachable and now hes no longer allowed into the republican party. Other members who expressed concern were subjected to tweets and then lost their primaries. So this is high risk for republican members. But the question is why are you there. Why are you there. Not just to get reelected, but to defend the constitution, to look at the facts and cast a vote that is in conformance with reality. That is their obligation. You have been part of an impeachment inquiry before, 1974, you were working for congressman don edwards during president nixons impeachment hearings. 1998, you were part of the House Judiciary Committee<\/a> over the argument of impeaching President Trump<\/a> clinton. But you write this is by far the serious. Why is this the worst situation when comes to impeachment . Well, when it came to lclint the impeachable offenses are when the president uses the special power that only he possesses to subvert the constitution and the Constitutional Order<\/a>. President clinton lied under oath about a sexual affair. That was probably a crime, certainly the wrong thing. But any husband caught in an affair could lie under oath. It had nothing to do with the use of president ial power and an impeachable offense. When it came to nixon, he did abuse his power for his own benefit to try to distort the Constitutional Order<\/a> and in the end, the republicans on the Judiciary Committee<\/a> couldnt turn away from the facts. I remember Caldwell Butler<\/a> who was a big fan of Richard Nixons<\/a> finally saying that it really was the republicans responsibility to stand up and do something about this misuse of power. Here we have a situation where not only did the president misuse his power like nixon did, he involved a Foreign Government<\/a> when he did so. That is even worse than what nixon did. And we cant have that. And when it is ongoing. You know, we had Rudy Giuliani<\/a> while the impeachment discussion was under way in the Judiciary Committee<\/a> meeting with ukranians who are backed by the russian, some of them went through the kgb academy continuing in scheme to try to recruit ukraine and maybe russia to interfere in our elections. Just astonishing. It is. Some 45 years later, how things have changed. You i want i want to take a look what the Lindsey Graham<\/a> was saying, he said that the trial will be short, Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> saying he is work handinhand with the white house. Is there anything that democrats can do to change that narrative . Because there is the report that Judiciary Committee<\/a> may delay sending the articles to the senate to negotiate rules. Is that possible . Well, you know, it is possible. Assuming that the votes are there on wednesday to adopt these articles of impeachment, the delivery to the senate is, you know, up to the speaker when that gets sent over. Like any bill. But i do think, you know, in the past with the clinton impeachment and certainly judicial impeachments are different, you coordinate, you know, witnesses. That is fine to do coordination on logistics. But to do otherwise, to act as the president s defense counsel, that is not proper. The senators take an oath to judge this matter as jurors. And to say that they are r are cahoots with the president to exonerate him or to get him off the hook, that is not their proper role. Finally, abuse of bpower, obstruction of congress, are you comfortable with that, do you believe there should have been more that perhaps they could have been more specific or do you think the larger umbrella will suffice . I think that the articles are right. The obstruction of congress is obvious. I mentioned during the debate, the letter that we received from Pat Cipollone<\/a>, they didnt assert privilege that could go to court and we could argue about. No, they said that they didnt agree with impeachment and no one would be a witness and no evidence would be provided. That is obstruction of congress. And if that is allowed to stand, our system of government will be forever changed. As to the abuse of power, the president engaged in probably what would constitute bribery but we didnt have a criminal code when the constitution was established. What he did was even worse. He violated the constitution. He violated his oath of office to see that the laws would be faithfully executed and that he would not misuse his power. There is no greater affront to the constitution than what he has done and he should be impeached and removed from office. Congresswoman, thank you so much for your time. From peace of mind to a terrifying invasion of privacy, up next how a bedroom camera was hacked and how it can be prevented. Prevented. Oh theres no place like home for the holidays. For the holidays you cant beat home sweet home. We go the extra mile to bring your holidays home. For a limited time, get a outb4course meal your holidays even better starting at 15. 99. 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He will actually be administering the coin toss and attend most of the game, but he will be taking off in air force one from joint base andrews any minute now. Meantime, lets go to philadelphia because monica alba is standing by for us. What is the mood like there, people pretty excited to see the president . Reporter absolutely. And this is the second time that the president will be attending this game as commander in chief. He actually also attended in 2016 as president elect back when the game was attend these kinds of games. Of course he is always as commander in chief supporting the military, so well look to hear from him on that as well and as you mentioned, he will be doing the coin toss. In the last few months the president has actually attended more sporting events than he usually does. You will remember when he attended the world series where he was actually met with some boos. He then the wewent to madison s where it was a mixed reception and then that alabama game where he was met with a very, very friendly response. So im guessing here that well see a very friendly and more respectful crowd who is very excited to have the president here in philadelphia. And it looks like he is rolling right on time. So they are on the tarmac there making their way to the runway, he is expected to take off in about 20 seconds. So they might be about a minute behind schedule just for your edification there. Thank you so much. As we keep a look there on what air force one is doing, well do that from the control booth, but we want to bring you a terrifying moment. It was captured on a Home Security<\/a> camera. After a man was able to interact with an 18yearold girl through the same Security Camera<\/a> that was installed in her bedroom. You got to take a listen. Here it is. For five minutes, the voice taunting the young girl, playing strange music. Even instructing her to destroy her room. You can mess up your room, you can break your tv, you can do whatever you want. I watched the video and i mean, like they could have watched them sleeping, changing, they 00 coucould have seen all of things. Joining me now is ben collins to talk about this. The company is called ring. They told nbc news that it is not a breach of security. Come on. I mean, that is the letter of the law here, but it absolutely is. Basically what these people are doing, it is called brute force hacking. They were taking previously identified hacks, so if your password or something was identified previously, they would put that into ring and see if it worked. And it did. A lot. That is not the only video that you will see with this sort of thing. That is probably the spookiest, like a horror movie. But they kept doing this and they did it for a podcast. They just did it for pit fun an. And so by the way number one thing do here, if you have a ring in your house, turn on this thing called two factor authentication. You know that thing where you get like a phone message about that code. And it is a pain in the butt, but it prevents this from happening. This is not a sophisticated hack, but something that you can stop. So what happens now . They say it is not a breach of security, but are they investigating these hackers . From what we can tell, they were all in this discord channel which is like a message board sort of thing and they were working together to like try to feed this podcast with content. So a couple of them said like look, a couple of us are screwed, we know weve been targeted by the police. We know that some people are at least being looked at by the authorities. But we dont know the extent of it and also ring doesnt really want this to be a problem. Ring is owned by amazon. And they dont want this to be this massive flareup for that company. You can imagine they dont want to, but look, you say a couple of them knew that they were busted. Was that easy to catch . I mean how challenging is to find out who is hacking . The good thing in this scenario, these people are publicizing this. They were doing this through a podcast, to try to impress is that the only reason that they got caught . Other people are almost certainly still doing this. It is really not complicated. Like slot machine basically. So it is still happening. Again, turn this on. Amazon doesnt really want to tell you how to do this because it would blow up this pr nightmare that they already have. So please do it. I just want to confirm, how hard is to track these people who arent publicizing on a ridiculous podcast . Yeah, it is complicated. If they are stupid, they are not doing it through the vpn which masks your behavior. If you are stupid, you get caught pretty easily. I dont think that they thought that they would get caught, which is kind of nuts. But there are people who know how to do this in a way that they will never get caught. And so youve got to up your scare a little bit here. Le coa lcollins, super impor. Im thinking if my daughter had been targeted like that, id be flipping out. Thank you so much. Supreme decision, the nations highest agrees to decide whether President Trump<\/a> can keep his financial records private. The implications of that next. Any comments doug . Yeah. Only pay for what you need with Liberty Mutual<\/a>. Only pay for what you need with Liberty Mutual<\/a>. Con Liberty Mutual<\/a> solo pagas lo que necesitas. Only pay for what you need. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. But maybe not for people with Rheumatoid Arthritis<\/a>. Because there are options. Like an unjection\u2122. Xeljanz xr, a oncedaily pill for adults with moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well enough. 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The court agreed friday to take up three cases involving the president s taxes and financial records. It is scheduled to begin hearings in march and will come to a ruling by the end of its term in june. Joining me now, Political Correspondent<\/a> from Business Insider<\/a> and also author of power up newsletter. Welcome to you both. You write about the Supreme Court<\/a> which has set the stage for a blockbuster ruling on trumps financial records. Why is that and what do you think is at the center of these cases . So these cases all deal with different legal questions. But at the end of the day, it comes down to one overarching question, which is the president , quote, absolutely immune from having to reveal his financial records and his taxes to either state investigators or to congressional lawmakers. We have seen a series of Lower Court Rulings<\/a> and appeals Court Rulings<\/a> that have absolutely struck down the president s argument. And almost every single judge has said that the concept of absolute immunity is just not a local concept, it is a nonexistent theory. And so it will be really interesting to see how the conservative Supreme Court<\/a> rules on this. They have a 54 conservative majority, two of the justices are trump appointees. We know Justice Gorsuch<\/a> at times have ruled with the liberal wing, so it will be interesting to see where he falls on this. But i thias far as cavanaugkava think that he will remain in the president s corner. And jay sekulow said that we are pleased that the sflesuprem granted the review and we look for presenting our written and oral arguments. So is this some sort of a win for the president . I think that the president sees it as a win because he very much views the Supreme Court<\/a> as his own personal weapon to use against people who he thinks have wronged him. But, you know, we know that they will start hearing arguments in march and so he at least has a couple months to kind of stay away from the question of his finances and tax returns and he can also use that if people ask him about it on the campaign trail, he can say i dont want to comments because were waiting for the Supreme Court<\/a> to rule. So he has kind of bought himself some time. But until they rule, i dont think that he can say that it is a win for him. So sondland brings up these points that the Supreme Court<\/a> is somewhat stacked in the president s favor. It is a 54 conservative court. So is there an expectation of more favorable treatment by the Supreme Court<\/a> toward President Trump<\/a> especially after he losing in the lower courts . That is likely the president s expectation. There is a reason why that he pushed so hard for Brett Kavanaugh<\/a> to get through and i think that the way that weve seen this president operate, it is pretty transactional and it is likely that he believes that in return of course he has sort of unlimited support from gorsuch and kavanaugh. But chief Justice Roberts<\/a> is an interesting person to watch especially as he will preside over the impeachment inquiry once and if the impeachment process makes to the senate trial. And he has publicly fought with the president before. And the president has condemned him on twitter. So he is someone who i think will be he will try to keep it as sober and nonpartisan as possible. Can i ask you, jacqueline, timingwise, how this all plays out with these expectations of the rulings in june. Middle of a Reelection Campaign<\/a>, just preceding the national conventions. Does this potentially have an affect on the president s Reelection Campaign<\/a> . That is a good question. It does set up a blockbuster ruling really close to the election that does set sort of a once in a generation precedent for the limits of president ial power. And that being said, if this impeachment process is a harbinger for the way that things are going to play out, what it is showing is that when the president does combat republicans, the media, it only intensifies republican support. That is data is why he wants to make his case in the impeachment case. So that if it does get fto senae trial, it remains to be seen how voters will respond to this in june. This president has shown time and time again that he can maintain the support of voters regardless of some of the actions, you know, inappropriate or not, that he has gone to Great Lengths<\/a> to resist. All right. Ladies, thank you so much for your insights. Much appreciated. Alarming new numbers on the rising cost of College Education<\/a> and student debt. The disturbing implications for students and for the country. 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Msnbc is hosting a Candidates Forum<\/a> on education. Lets go to mike memoli who is is following all that. And they are trying to prevent the education issues getting lost in the campaign. You can tell me what you are hearing as people are on their feet . Applauding or shouting . I cant figure it out. Reporter well, thats right. You saw us back stage earlier and just as we were coming back on the air, Bernie Sanders<\/a> the senator from vermont just took the stage. So that reaction you heard from him was introduction for the vermont senator. And what is interesting, we had some forum on education. Of course a broad topic where there are so many policy implication this is things that the next president will confront, and ali velshi and are a me inrehema ellis have to doi great job at pushing them on Public Education<\/a> funding, teacher tenure, charter schoolsschools and issues like college afford ability. And what weve heard is that real divide among the pragmatic moderate candidates and the sort of more ambitious liberal senators on just how they are going to get their plans through. We heard from senator Michael Bennet<\/a> earlier and he was talking about what he calls empty promises from some of candidates. But then we heard from Elizabeth Warren<\/a> be talking about her signature plan, a wealth tax. Here is how she discussed that on stage. Asking them to pitch in two pennies more or three pennies more, so that everyone of our children can have Adequate Funding<\/a> to get a first rate education from the time that they are babies until they finish their Post High School<\/a> education. I think that that is more than fair and i think that is how we build a real future in this country. Reporter and so something to look out for here as we hear from more candidates later in the day, especially former Vice President<\/a> joe biden, he will be on stage at the end of the program, just how do you get it done. He was critical of warren saying that he has gotten more legislation passed combined than any other candidates and that getting things done by democratic votes is not enough. Mike memoli, thank you for that. And well continue the conversation by bringing in ab johnson hess. I know that you have been looking into the cost of college tuition. And lets get to what we are hearing from the more competitive candidates. Anything stand out to you . Yeah, a pretty big range in terms of what candidates are suggesting. Bernie sanders has a 2. 2 trillion education plan. Beat foot judge h Pete Buttigieg<\/a> has a wide range. And i think the line right now is three candidates support Free Community<\/a> college. That is joe biden, senator warren and Bernie Sanders<\/a>. That is anxious idea that was fir first brought up by president obama. And is it viable . I think so. The truth is that weve already done to some extent before. We had the gi bill that made College Affordable<\/a> for a whole generation of people and that was wildly kind of seen as a success. And in 11 states what people might not know, there are already some form of College Affordability<\/a> plan from kentucky to oregon where if you so long as you earn less than a certain threshold, you can probably go to Community College<\/a> pretty affordable. So i think the question is how do we do it. And the price of college, whether a Community College<\/a>, Public College<\/a> versus private, they have gone up astronomically. In looking at the numbers in the last decade alone, Public College<\/a>s have gone up about 30 . Private colleges up 25 in this decade. And why is that . Three big reasons. I call them the three cs. Cuts to Higher Education<\/a> funding, cost of living, and construction. The biggest one by far is cost of education funding. From 2008 to 2018, states spent an average of 13 less per student. Colleges do the best that they came to make up for those differences. But some of that cost is getting passed on to students. And that is what the biggest kind of source of these costs. There is also costs of living. Everything has gotten more expensive, and that includes health care. Colleges employ huge numbers of Mental Health<\/a> services and that is a Great Service<\/a> that colleges now provide students, but in employing those people, they will also pay for health care and that is great, but costs will go up. And Bernie Sanders<\/a>, what is his proposal . 2. 2 trillion. And you have the Federal Reserve<\/a> bank of new york and here is the estimate from them says that Student Loan Debt<\/a> is almost 1. 5 trillion in the Second Quarter<\/a> of this year. With Bernie Sanders<\/a> and Elizabeth Warren<\/a>s proposals, any want to wipe out student loan, have Debt Forgiveness<\/a> here. Is that viable . The big question there is can you raise the funds for it. And then these things become more viable. I think the issue will be both warren and sanders have their versions, kind of new taxes that they would invent, Bernie Sanders<\/a> has his tax on wall street, warren has her wealth tax. The issue is getting those pieces implemented. And then we could have a conversation. But for now, still pretty hypothetical. All right. Abiga abigail, thank you for joining us. And the Public Education<\/a> forum is streaming live for you on nbc news now. And Michelle Obama<\/a> and Melania Trump<\/a> both responding after the president went after greta thunberg. Youll hear what they are all saying about it. If l saying about it. If grandson wow. grandfather that was me, seventy years ago. vo some things are worth preserving. 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Some democrats now apparently feeling the affects of the long battle over impeachment on capitol hill this week, specifically over the president as the the New York Times<\/a> puts it. Trump anxiety morphed into anxiety about everything. Joining me is strategist peter emmer son. Welcome to you both. Guys, according to the New York Times<\/a> for the last three years, therapists have reported an increase in patients who say that almost anything having to do with politics is making them uneasy, angry and hopeless, a condition that one christined trump anxiety disorder. How nervous are democrats right now . How anxious are they . I mean, i think that democrats are incredibly anxious and nervous and depressed, frankly. Theres grief happening right now. If you think about watching a loved one die and waste away, thats kind of whats happening to the democracy. We are watching republicans trample over the values, trample the law, doing everything that they can to uphold the lawless criminal president and it is depressing, saddening. I asked my own therapist what other patients are saying, she said people come in that are anxious about all aspects of the world right now. Yeah. Listen, i know so many people that say i just cant talk about politics, anything but at times. But peter, you have Michelle Goldberg<\/a> writing a piece in the New York Times<\/a> titled democracy grief is real. The president is certain to be acquitted in the senate, an it is an it confirmation that he is indeed above the law. The attorney general is a partisan enforcer. Civil servants are filled up with young hard rightd logs. Peter, you are a diehard democrat. Do you feel a sense of democrat grief . Danielle is absolutely right. I was looking up a wonderful quote who said simply you either have a constitution or you do not, you either have a law or laws or you do not. And thats why danielle is so right. From the president to elected republicans to the voter who is voted for them, they have decided not only do we not have a constitution or rule of law, we dont need them. So if we look at i mean, not exclusively but where much of this comes from, thursday the president sent a total of 123 tweets and retweets in 24 hours. Thats a new personal record, pretty astonishing. One attacking the 16yearold climate activist greta thuneberg. How concerning is that behavior, peter . Just adds to another list of sexual assault, Sexual Harassment<\/a> of women, this time its a 16yearold by a man who practices this and has ever since apparently he drew breath and continues to do it but the cowardice. Theres a new definition to attack a woman, a 16yearold woman, i have a goddaughter what w. H. O. s 16 years old and as a you ausburgers syndrome. The reason he did that one besides being a bully is also because the attention is drawn away from him and this is a way to get him back get it back and look what were doing. Criticism of trump silence. You have the white house, the office releasing a statement to cnn saying that be best is the first ladys initiative and will use it to help children, no secret that the president and first lady communicate differently. Their son is a 13yearold who wants and deserves privacy. So relative to that, but also to the 16yearold climate activist. I mean, does Melania Trump<\/a> hold any responsibility here . Can she do anything . No. Why are we locking to Melania Trump<\/a> to do anything . The woman wore a jacket saying i dont care, do you, going to visit children in a detention center. No, i dont look to melania to do anything and i think that her faux outrage around her son is ridiculous. She has a campaign called be best about protecting people from bullying and yet she is living with the biggest bully in the entire world. Its absolutely ridiculous and to go after like peter said, to go after a 16yearold child on twitter because your ego is that fragile, it is problematic. Guys, i think we are all tired of it for today. Theres that. Danielle and peter, thank you so much. Defending the president overseas, the first daughter and two trump allies speak about impeachment thousands of miles from home. woman when you take align, you have the support of a probiotic and the gastroenterologists who developed it. vo align helps to soothe your occasional digestive upsets 24 7 with a strain of bacteria you cant get anywhere else. woman you could say align puts the pro in probiotic. So where you go, the pro goes. vo go with align. The pros in Digestive Health<\/a>. And try align gummies. With prebiotics and probiotics to help support Digestive Health<\/a>. 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