Ah ah. Hello and welcome to cross talk. Were all things considered. Im peter lavelle. Kevin, its western backers got some truly bad news. Last week, Amnesty International says ukraines fighting tactics endanger civilians, zalinski and his gang are not the innocent victims media claim, because we hear a lot about a big offensive soon. Well, will it be ukrainian or russian . Oh, got these issues then more im joined by my guess, george m u l e. In budapest, hes a podcast or at the guy which can be found on youtube and locals. And here in moscow, we have to meet 3, bob and shes a political analyst and editor. And you know, its me, internet media project or gentleman cross top rules. And that means you can jump anytime you want. And i always appreciate it, right . Start out as me can government was very disappointed with the International Reports and claiming that the back of the be grading, are you using violating the rules of law of war and could be potentially deemed as war crimes. And then, and the international bought back and said, you know, after all of the criticism, because if you criticize the government here, i came to being an apologist, racist transpose just about anything. You can imagine the limits here. But if youve been borrowing independent media, the claims that the internet, maybe weve known this from day one, thats not a surprise whatsoever. What is a surprise . Is that a western n g . I would have the courage to actually say the truth, your thoughts . Oh, thats the right, let me walk in. Ukraine has been a liberals, a war which means that not only do we have on one side a and the it was victims when you have absolute evil on one side. Absolutely good on the other. And of course, one side is the victim of an unjustified unprovoked. What was that to say . I always know about that. And so when amnesty comes along, as you say, be the stuff that weve known from which is that the ukranian forces have been using as military bases, schools and hospitals. Then that of course goes the whole equation to question. So thats why the most furious onslaught has come from liberal Media Outlets such as the guardian, which you naturally give highlight all the stories from Ukrainian Government official includes an american and British Government of actual nonsense. This is a very poorly researched report. The am, is the people on the ground . No, absolutely nothing, but a saying, well, weve known all along, theyre using schools and hospitals for reason in order to draw retaliatory fire. And why do they want to draw, reject it, or if i so they can then point to russians as committing all kinds of media. And the rest of the play along the left repeating ad nauseam that the russians are committing walk right . When i, we know that they deliberately, i mean this is when they deliver to them plenty of other places where they could have had a military basis. Instead, they went to school when that school was destroyed, they moved to another school to get when one hospital just want them to know. Again, this is, these are the places where they want to look for. So naturally, when this equation russians are actually legal agreements are absolutely go, is shasta, then all hell breaks loose it with every passing day, the reality is, are infringing upon the propaganda. This is the most propagandistic war weve ever seen in our life. I thought youre right about this is much worse. And so just have been, you know, when the curtains pull back you see a very different reality. And thats why these people, you know, their hair gets on buyer because youre not supposed to say that youre not supposed to even think these kinds of things. But its, like i said, with george and said here is that this has been very well documented. If you really want to know, and if the international didnt just come across, something unusual, came across something thats very common place. Unfortunately, i had hello. This is the most frustrating thing about all the Russian Media and excuse me, the local media in golf bus. They have been reporting about these thousands of thousands of times during the fight in mario during the fight in 7 years. They always the Ukrainian Forces keep using kindergartens and schools while they are military basis. And there was plenty of food and there was 0 dance and they do that in the west. So that for me, the most striking thing is that if you want to attract attention to your death, to the reason for your life, you have to go to least hypocrites because i can see to these people, hypocrites, you know why i saw they are press one for instance, in more school you, the 9 is in the thousands and thousands tends to be frank with you, you know, the language used by Amnesty International, baltimore and church now about what it was, right . It was very hypocritical. I mean, i dont like these people. I hate, they are each of the language that they used, but they are the only ones who can attract attention. The was just doesnt b, e r, the organizations that the west doesnt believe its a bonus. So the only way you can attract attention is by one to these people, and this is not the 1st time you know, Human Rights Watch in 2014 report that the use of class to munitions by the gradient forces. Im quote and you know, 2014 Ukrainian Government was used to munitions. This is from Human Rights Watch. This is against the laws of war and may and mom to walk crimes. This was documented at least 14 times in the yes, this was documented by the International Committee there at ross who was killed in october and a use of course to be. So i remember when this report came out, how the western media try to push it up. You know, of course, you know, people who dont, yes, were very enthusiastic about it because jesus, for the 1st time the western meet a stand out and, and the media. There was a lot of criticism. And as you know, Human Rights Watch, just like Amnesty International, had to balance it, you know, with a lot of reports on, you know, crimes committed by the other side. So, i mean for me, the most frustrating thing is that this is something, this is something obvious, something that you dont have to be a specialist to see if you see them anywhere in the grade and all the international. Finally, reports of there is some of that bait and mr. Williams, he gets angry. And the head of that i missed the International Ukrainian euro song because you suddenly leaves saying that a cracked up to be different from the Amnesty International values. Now, you know, you need about themselves, and the mediately she has to resign because jesus, they dont know which is the south reno rush and speakers. All thing was, you know, you know, george, i mean, i guess its kind of an interesting juxtaposition, you know, being on the cover of both magazine and Amnesty International. I guess you kind of get your pick as it were here. But thats just the point. You know, isnt it . I mean, its not, you know, the, the suffering of the people. It, all people suffer on the ground. Very wars. Ok, lets be honest about that. Ok, but i mean, this western media propaganda its, you know, i mean, how many times if you know, weve seen situations like this that they make it on the cover of vogue magazine. I mean, theyre really scraping the bottom of the barrel, arent and of course, i didnt do the lensky any good at all because that was even too much for the biggest fan. But theyre going to go back to the sea into these International Humanitarian organizations. They are part of the western Propaganda Machine because they are there to demonize the foe of the day. You know, whether its that i was saying in the ninetys it was loss of it as b. B. I dont, you know, its only right. Yes. The rest of the church is that right . These are both of these people are actually like a man or. And if you look at how these Organizations Fund themselves, they are a lot of very wealthy people, n foundation, george soros. And i was, you know, give them huge amounts of money. I mean, these are lavishly funded organizations. The people who are on the boards of these organizations are all former politicians, former government officials, for intelligence agency. And the, you know, this is bother, you know, was a reputation, but occasionally they want to balance things as of what it, lets say, 10 reports that Human Rights Watch publish is about the horrors. The russians perpetrated. Once they might Say Something about negative, about what the gradient just tell us is one, but even that one publication as a whole hell breaks loose. And then theres an immediate attack saying, you know what, this is, you know, you dont know what youre talking about. You only, youre drawing equivalence between aggressive rules and fictions and often happens. They need to have to start backing away now. So i missed the generation to run by this guy and mug hasnt done so, and she does have a certain reputation because she was the person who wrote that report about the this assassination of really general. So the money and she said that was essentially a war crime. So she, she hasnt back to way is yet, but i think that will be further repercussions with, well, keep it on, you know, you know, it was a lonely call in the words about why dont we investigate ukraines all the guards. Again, everyone you know, runs in shivering. You know, you cant do that, you know . Because, you know, we still have more and more money being bored and we dont know where its going. Nobody really knows where its going. We dont know who has all the codes and all of that, but it seems to be disappearing. I mean, but no investigation of people that have no criminal history. Well again, ok, here you have the so you police it this you language. Why dont we investigate . You, graham oligarchs. Why dont you investigate american already got, you know, the one only got it is, you know, its just, it became effective. If you dont like somebody who is reach you, human only got right. And this is the only way this machine can operate the way. I mean people are very rich and theyre very unlikable. They can work together. I mean its, im sorry, 2 minds meal starting soviet union. Someone who yesterday was a respect the official like you guys are in tomorrow because the paper, school deviation, you know, and left. His deviation for right is deviation. Suddenly he becomes a criminal and anything can be able to get, you know, the same story here. And then when george said, you know, this is the one, its not the one thats 100 to one and steel. These people cannot tolerate any criticism. Again, it reminds me of the times of the soviet union and not in favor of todays west, because look in 1962, a soviet magazine moly, me, are published. These are, these grows, walk by alexander children. Its on the one day in the life with denise it and immediately, you know, why did people believe people only then believe in started repressed . Well, the saw we had a saw it magazine. The saw me lead, which is stand on us about it. I got to read real estate. Ah ah, ah ah ah ah ah luis hunter rush in the state will never be tied up. Im phoning no sankey with fabulous did ok, so my lease to sagal speed, you one else calls guys about this, even though we will van in the European Union the kremlin. Yup. Machines. The state arent russia today, and school ortiz spoke neck. Even our video agency, roughly all band on youtube with common question, did you think even close with me . Oh, well, the magic rostock were all things are considered. Im peter labelle. This is the home addition to remind you. Were discussing some real news. Oh, i ok. Go back to go to storage and change gears a little bit here. Weve heard through official media, Corporate Media that the trainings going in there getting a 1000000 man army together and theres going to be a big fan. So um, i think there may be an offensive this mom. I tend to doubt if its going to be the ukranian one. But i havent theory about it. Its kind of going to tell us what we said in the 1st part of the program. This is actually a fundraising event. This is that, you know, their fund raising, you know, were going to get it offensive to get there. You know, if we need support, we need money more money, more money. Thats what it seems to me. Thats kind of like a powerpoint presentation, you know, and because from what i can tell me if im wrong, they havent really had one significant strategic goal. Big 3 in all of this. Go ahead or yes, i completely. I mean, i think that the ukrainians, a government essentially trying to get more and more money out of the United States. And theyre doing it by going on about how they get amount this huge offensive. And, and, and its something that works because, right away the media report this on the upcoming events, that if you really are planning and offensive, the one thing you dont do is, you dont publicize it, you know, you dont tell your opponents, youre about to attack them and then get them to move their forces and be ready for your offensive. I mean, that makes absolutely no military sense whatsoever. Yeah, the media report serious upcoming events. And then once the rush is defeated then Hope Campaign will be after. And yes, and sure enough by just another 1000000000. 00 worth of and im you offensive and thats the way they need to maintain the stance that theyre somehow on the brink of winning this war. Because otherwise, the americans and everyone else are going to stop, ask the question, where is this going . How can we go on, essentially depleting our own cameras on sending them weapons . We dont know where, whats happening to these weapons. They dont seem to be any good because you know, the, the moment we send you 1000000000 dollars worth of weapons from somebody, we need another 1000000000 dollars. What, what is happening. So they have to keep doing this in order to keep those channels going indefinitely. They may be giving money, seems to be an excuse for everything. Ok, money will solve everything. But considering over the past few months, the amount of western arms in monetary it hasnt had any impact whatsoever. So throw more money at it. I get, you know, this is something that is really hard to comprehend. I personally think this is my personal opinion. Is that the campers in there, theyre just trying to see if they get as much as they possibly can before they have their moment of reckoning. Ok, and so we, i make reference to the afghan president with his helicopters leaving the country. You get my point as well. I think this is a disaster situation where we have our control for money, corrupt officials in your grade. And we have people in the United States who basically failed with all of their predictors. But of course, you in charge of saying in weapons and money, you know, just last week the german press reminded us, or mark me, you know, the joint chiefs of staff just 2 weeks before there are some special operation began. He predicted that there are be a war, it would last for 72 hours. The russians would take even 72 hours, and then there would be a long, protracted gorilla fight. You know, everything happened bank 100 percent different. You know, the Ukranian Army was not able to pay, but i get, it continues to fight or there is no good. We were all on the 3rd year of the project control for a very simple reason. The Ukrainian Army is fighting so well precisely because of the crew to the regime. If you dont go to the army, you get arrested. You go to prison. If you Say Something against the government now, you know, look, a member of the shooting chemo ukraine was, was a, basically a session, a video shot dead by the great insecurity force on the suspicion on the suspicion on the trail. So basically these are very poorly, the army fights on the 3rd to switch this regime controls when this really leaves, like on the 3rd, youre going boss. All that there are, some people leave completely different life and try to forget, you know about this was you there wont be afraid that they would come back. Thats true for aid. They will come back, but there is no good. Reasonable, its not again, is that, you know, the problem with the United States is that it fights was, it starts worse in so many parts of the world. But finally these people get confused. You know, they confuse against them from grain, yugoslavia, vietnam, and the other things. So about answering your coverage on the plan. All these wars been the same air Condition Office in the suburb a. Thats a sad reality. Yes. But basically what is really dangerous, its not just the loss of money, its that danger or escalation. And in that sense, there was a pretty interesting article in the economist last week, which was headline, what would push the russia to nuclear war . And basically of the dollars that he saw, the change in a few years of the states, you know, when all of the predictions failed and will be, became a war of 2 armies. Suddenly the United States reviewed its position and starting from april, they started sending very dangerous weapons right in since june, the position is not the rule not to let you create moves. Were not going to it. Ok, you know, like we dont want to bring to wind because obviously the goals, which is just to say that i dont really, you want all the time to back. And she speaks about a striking at russia. Louis, this is all, we dont support that, but we dont want to grade to do those. Thats a very broad definition. I mean, they use, no, thats not a military strategy. Thats a, its not a political strategy neither. So as an article and they want to just answer with a very good book that i will use here on the quote to shannon, an economist who said that launching into what is not a shop agent cliff. But one can stand firmly look down and decide whether or not the punch, rather, its a slippery slope. And no one can be sure when the risk is the greatest, you just slide down without noticing how slight a basically a war